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General Discussion => Beer and Queso => Topic started by: JimR on April 02, 2012, 10:31:40 am
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Gather 'round, boys and girls. i want to tell you a tale of foolish Jim trying to do good.
several weeks ago, i got an email from one of my friends asking me to call his cell phone because he needed to talk to me "as a friend."
well, ok, says i. he and his wife were our closest couple friends, and we have done many, many things with them, including taking a cruise together. so i called him. i will not share the details, but he told me his wife had kicked him out and announced that she was divorcing him. wow, says i, that is messed up. it was over a family issue i knew they had, and she was 100% wrong on it. she is a great lady but very controlling, and he is kinda Casper Milquetoast-esque around her. she gets her way all the time, and he is afraid to challenge her.
that was a Friday. on Saturday night, Carolyn and i got a joint text from the wife announcing that she was divorcing him and had kicked him out. she said she wanted no questions. done deal. too bad for him.
on Sunday, i asked if he wanted to meet me at the Saucer for beer. he said yes, and we did. he told me his tale of woe, and i supported him completely. i did not even try to be objective. at one point he said his wife had told him to "grow some balls," and i said "that is very good advice. you should do that." at one point, he whined that she was my friend first (she was), and i said "fuck [wife's name]. i am your friend." my advice was that if she wants to be alone, you should show her how that will be. we parted company, and he thanked me then and in an email the next day for kicking his ass when he needed it and for giving him good and honest advice.
yep, you guessed it. rather than growing a pair, he got down on his knees (literally, his wife told Carolyn about it) sobbing and begging her to take him back. apparently, she was willing to allow him to resume his subservient role and to wait on her hand and foot as she recovers from shoulder surgery. they are back together to some degree. i have not heard from him since and suspect that the tread marks on my back are from him throwing me under the bus to save himself. we have not been invited to do anything with them since before this happened. we seem to have been dropped as friends.
boys and girls, i am an idiot. why did i think this would not happen?
THE END
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
Yes. But from the sounds of the friend, this was also the predictable result.
Also - a joint text saying "i'm divorcing him, i don't want any questions"? Some friend.
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
+1
...and if you have lived this long without getting thrown under the bus before, you are one lucky man.
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Echo what Hudson said. Seems like you were being a good friend, and he was not.
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Yes. But from the sounds of the friend, this was also the predictable result.
Yeah, but that's not Jim's fault. He's gotta do what he's gotta do.
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
+whatever number we're on
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
I agree. Too bad it was a one-way deal.
This reminded me of this:
Melissa: That's not what you do.
Stu: Really? Well, then, why did I do it?! Huh?! 'Cause I did it! Riddle me that! Why'd I do it?! You know, sometimes I think all you want me to do is what you want me to do. Well, I'm sick of doing what you want me to do all the time. I think, in a healthy relationship, sometimes a guy should be able to do what he wants to do.
Melissa: That is not how this works!
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ETA:
Carolyn is very upset about the couples aspect of this. she wants to invite them to do something with us to see what happens. i am ok with that, and i will behave appropriately. fuck him, though. i will never feel the same about him.
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ETA:
Carolyn is very upset about the couples aspect of this. she wants to invite them to do something with us to see what happens. i am ok with that, and i will behave appropriately. fuck him, though. i will never feel the same about him.
FWIW, I think this is a bad idea. You'll never be able to hide your contempt for both of them and it will only convince the woman that you are an asshole and a threat to her dominance over the man slave. Move on.
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FWIW, I think this is a bad idea. You'll never be able to hide your contempt for both of them and it will only convince the woman that you are an asshole and a threat to her dominance over the man slave. Move on.
I gotta second this.
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FWIW, I think this is a bad idea. You'll never be able to hide your contempt for both of them and it will only convince the woman that you are an asshole and a threat to her dominance over the man slave. Move on.
if he told her half of what i said to him at the Saucer, she knows this already.
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I gotta second this.
Throw me in as thirding this. If you did try to forget/ignore/pretend, you wouldn't be honest. That is not the Jim we all know and love.
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Throw me in as thirding this. If you did try to forget/ignore/pretend, you wouldn't be honest. That is not the Jim we all know and love.
"Hello, (wife). Good to see you again. Let's clear the air on something: Yes, I told (husband) x, x, and x, and I stand by that. If you've got a problem with it, WFW. But we're your friends, and friends are honest with each other. Now let's eat."
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"Hello, (wife). Good to see you again. Let's clear the air on something: Yes, I told (husband) x, x, and x, and I stand by that. If you've got a problem with it, WFW. But we're your friends, and friends are honest with each other. Now let's eat."
Don't forget the friendly, supportive slap on the shoulder.
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several weeks ago, i got an email from one of my friends asking me to call his cell phone because he needed to talk to me "as a friend."
Seems odd that he didn't just call you in the first place.
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Seems odd that he didn't just call you in the first place.
he sent it late at night.
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he sent it late at night.
Ah. I just figured it was in line was the passive aggressiveness displayed throughout.
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he sent it late at night.
So, 7pm?
Fourth on not inviting them over. Even if it is on your own turf (always a plus), every honest thing you said will hang like a cloud over everything.
I've been helping a friend through something similar, and cutting her off was the best possible thing he could do, too.
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... and he thanked me then and in an email the next day for kicking his ass when he needed it and for giving him good and honest advice.
At least you got that.
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At least you got that.
"Thanks for the advice. You're so totally right. Now I'm going to go and do what I was going to do anyway."
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"Thanks for the advice. You're so totally right. Now I'm going to go and do what I was going to do anyway."
"And won't be speaking with you again."
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"and am going to tell my wife everything you said"
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"and am going to tell my wife everything you said"
This. Is the really shitty part.
FWIW, I had a similar situation. Sparing the details, the time I met the couple again, it was massively awkward - not unsurprisingly given the truths I had spoken about one to the other that they then shared. I avoid them now - quite happy to do so as the truths are still true.
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Sadly, in a similar situation, I didn't lie, but I held back comment. It worked out much worse for everyone. At least if you speak the truth, you have nothing to take back n the future. I got in trouble for not saying anything. It is a lose-lose situation. A few years later, things became frielndly again, but never completely settled.
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Sounds like you did exactly what any good friend should do. Nothing but solid on your part, from what I can see.
+1 Sorry about that, Coach.
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I'm not sure I get the comments about not speaking to him or denying him friendship because he didn't take the advice. He asked, Jim was honest. I'd have done the same. If he asked me again, I'd tell him the same thing. But my friendship wouldn't be contingent.
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I'm not sure I get the comments about not speaking to him or denying him friendship because he didn't take the advice. He asked, Jim was honest. I'd have done the same. If he asked me again, I'd tell him the same thing. But my friendship wouldn't be contingent.
I don't think the issue of whether he simply took the advice or not is the problem. It's the manner in which he rejected the advice insofar as using it to justify reconciliation and in the process create a wedge between Jim and the other couple. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems the refusal to contact Jim anymore is what is more upsetting from the friendship then the actual advice.
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I don't think the issue of whether he simply took the advice or not is the problem. It's the manner in which he rejected the advice insofar as using it to justify reconciliation and in the process create a wedge between Jim and the other couple. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems the refusal to contact Jim anymore is what is more upsetting from the friendship then the actual advice.
I guess I'm not following then. Oh well...Jim, you did the right thing. It's his loss.
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You did the right thing, but if he didn't have it figured out in a few decades one more week won't matter much.
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ETA2: now my wife is majorly pissed at me because she just knows i'll be "a jerk" if the four of us get together, and that means she cannot invite them for a couples activity. for those who miss the subtlety in this, now ALL of it is my fault.
i'll tell you the truth, Boys and Girls, if this second marriage of mine were to fail somehow, i will go so far back into a cave that air will have to be sent to me in a box.
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ETA2: now my wife is majorly pissed at me because she just knows i'll be "a jerk" if the four of us get together, and that means she cannot invite them for a couples activity. for those who miss the subtlety in this, now ALL of it is my fault.
i'll tell you the truth, Boys and Girls, if this second marriage of mine were to fail somehow, i will go so far back into a cave that air will have to be sent to me in a box.
My father once told me to never advise friends regarding their relationships (spousal, kids, friends...). He had exactly your experience in mind.
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My father once told me to never advise friends regarding their relationships (spousal, kids, friends...). He had exactly your experience in mind.
sorry, with apologies to your dad, but i think friends should there for friends if asked, and fuck the consequences if you do the right thing for your friend.
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sorry, with apologies to your dad, but i think friends should there for friends if asked, and fuck the consequences if you do the right thing for your friend.
Your wife knows you talked to the guy. Tell her that you'd like to give yourself a bit of time before you try to do couples stuff, that things have a way of settling out in 3 months that are pretty raw right now.
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sorry, with apologies to your dad, but i think friends should there for friends if asked, and fuck the consequences if you do the right thing for your friend.
That's alright. He'd be the last person to ask for advice anyway.
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My father once told me to never advise friends regarding their relationships (spousal, kids, friends...). He had exactly your experience in mind.
Amen (sorta). I think a good friend (where I feel that it is reciprocal) is where I dare cross the line and share honest advise. Tit for tat if you will, accountability and all that. Had two situations where I failed miserably because the guy was not necessarily a friend as he was family (of sorts). The other was a guy I grew up with and was a good friend. The second situation first: the guy I grew up with. He was cheating on his wife, was a womanizer, and treated her badly. She was a saint of a lady, a kind and gentle soul who tried the hardest to make the marriage work to my jerk of a friend. So when she called me to tell me they were splitting up, I quickly invited him to dinner and wanted to know from him what they heck he thought he was doing. He just flat out told me he loved being with other women and that it was just the way it was. I flat out told him he was an asshole and not the same guy I grew up with. He said "Yes I am, you just never took time to get to know me well enough". Here is the rub, when I got married, I invited him to our wedding and at the dinner and dancing afterwards, my new bride leaned over to me and whispered "Mario is a jerk! I think you should go talk to him to leave the women alone". I was stunned and that night with Mario at dinner remembered how my wife took one look at him and warned me he was a walking hormone. So Mario and I never spoke again, he didn't take my advise and try to work hard to save his marriage and really, what Abigail told me many years later was that Mario told her what I said about him (wanting her to have some sort of sympathy for him because he wanted to come back to her). She slammed the door on his face and said "Noe is right, too bad you didn't listen to him".
So that one went okay, even though sad to say my friend was one huge asshole that I don't have any relationship with any more. I felt bad for many years because I kept trying to think how I could miss the fact that my friend all those years was not evident to me that he was a bad guy (*towards women*). Sad to say, I was blind all those years. The other one went horribly wrong and I was sure I was going to have to do some major repair job on my credibility with my sister-in-law and mother-in-law. What happened was that my wife's brother-in-law was also a very bad hombre and one day he did some very bad things to threaten my sister-in-law, to the point that she left him that night and after that night, she decided to divorce him. My wife was very happy because she hated the guy, so did my mother-in-law. So he comes around during a weekend that we were visiting my mother-in-law and sis-in-law. He is parked outside and keeps yelling for my sis-in-law to come out and at least talk to him. My wife, my sis-in-law and my mother-in-law all look at me as if to say "are you going to do anything about this?" Damnit.
Okay, so I go outside and ask the guy to step out of the car and talk to me. He does, but he just falls apart and is one giant blubbering blob of a man who can't stop crying and is just one huge mess. So what do I say? Yeah, you guessed it "It's okay man, things will turn out okay"... I should have said "You damn well deserve your life falling apart with all your macho bullshit! Now, pull yourself together and leave and try to have a good life, okay!". Nope, stupid me tries to me Mr. Nice Guy and I spend all night listening to him cry victim in this whole thing. All I said to him was this "That's too bad, but all you can do now is try to put your life back together and walk out the type of manhood that shows you are a nice guy and one that deserves to be taken back because of it." Oops, that did not come out like I meant.
After that, all hell broke loose for several weeks. "Noe says you're wrong!" "Noe says that your Mom is to blame (what the hell, where did that come from?)" "I AM a good guy, ask Noe!" Damn. So one night, my wife, my sis-in-law and mom-in-law have me cornered on the telephone asking me to explain juse what the hell I said to this guy. I was mad at myself that I didn't say "Don't get me involved" that night, to everyone! Instead here I was stuck in the middle of someone else's mess. Why? Because they freaking don't know how to be sane, rational, good human beings with each other and they tend to drag you down to their mess every time... that's why! So all I said that night was "So, he has been saying all this stuff that supposedly I said in his defense, eh? So tell me again.... why are you leaving him" "Oh yeah, he's not a good guy... right?" "So why is he all of a sudden credible?"
I survived that night, but many years later when the other brother-in-law (of my wife) got caught cheating and was going to get kicked out of the house, I was so ready to be hands off. He invited me to Starbucks to talk to me, so I went, drank my coffee, listened while I thought of songs in my head and he sounded like "blah, blah, blah" to me. At the end of the night, it was basically... "sucks man, eh?" and I left.
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sorry, with apologies to your dad, but i think friends should there for friends if asked, and fuck the consequences if you do the right thing for your friend.
I agree. I try hard to hold my tongue for unsolicited advice, but if someone asks me a question I will tell them what I think.
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At the end of the night, it was basically... "sucks man, eh?" and I left.
I'm as good as it gets at giving advice in a few relatively obscure areas of law, and beyond that I might try to help a friend articulate what they want to do, but I'm not Dear Abby, and I don't won't to be.
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ETA2: now my wife is majorly pissed at me because she just knows i'll be "a jerk" if the four of us get together, and that means she cannot invite them for a couples activity. for those who miss the subtlety in this, now ALL of it is my fault.
i'll tell you the truth, Boys and Girls, if this second marriage of mine were to fail somehow, i will go so far back into a cave that air will have to be sent to me in a box.
Coach, the fact is, you were doomed from the moment you agreed to listen to your buddy. The fact that you said anything at all doesn't actually matter- it sounds like Milquetoast would've gone back to the wife and mentioned that you were serving as a listening ear, and that by itself would've done it. I'll wager that she even told him that he is never allowed to contact you again as a condition of her giving him a second chance. You betrayed her simply by being there. Anything you said is just a little more gas on the fire.
However, I would have done the same thing in your situation, and I have done so. I'm sorry how the tables have turned on you (that's happened to me, too), and I hope you and the wife can work this out on your end. I agree with Neil that you guys need to give the other couple some time before either of you contacts them to do something. This isn't about testing the waters to see if you're still friends- this is about them figuring out their own shit with each other first. Things will not go back to the way they were, especially not this quickly.
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UPDATE: the couple is/are (whichever is grammatically correct) coming to our house Sunday. Carolyn is happy. Jim, not so much.
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Best of luck for a fun evening.
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UPDATE: the couple is/are (whichever is grammatically correct) coming to our house Sunday. Carolyn is happy. Jim, not so much.
Wear a cup, Coach!
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I recommend you all get drunk and really have it out.
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I recommend you all get drunk and really have it out.
uh, no.
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uh, no.
C'mon, that always works.
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Perhaps something subtle. Have "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" or "Annie Hall" on in the background.
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Perhaps something subtle. Have "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" or "Annie Hall" on in the background.
Or Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice...
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Or Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice...
May as well go with Carnage (http://www.sonyclassics.com/carnage/). (Or "God of Carnage" for you theater fans)
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reprieve: postponed until a week from Sunday
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reprieve: postponed until a week from Sunday
Jim, these people are vipers. I hope you and your wife can get them out of your lives soon.
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Jim, these people are vipers. I hope you and your wife can get them out of your lives soon.
QFT.
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Jim, these people are vipers. I hope you and your wife can get them out of your lives soon.
A tad harsh for people you don't actually know?
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QFT.
Quantum Field Theory?
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Jim, these people are vipers. I hope you and your wife can get them out of your lives soon.
Dodge Vipers vipers?
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Noé, why do Jim's friends want to inject him with venom?
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A tad harsh for people you don't actually know?
Harsh? My intent is to be accurate, at least metaphorically.
I do not know them, and don't want to. I have known people like them, and they are not having dinner at my house. Jim acted like a stand up guy, his friend showed that he is not a friend, and not much of a man. The woman is a control freak who is dragging Jim and his wife into their fucked-up marriage. The way I read it, the other couple isn't looking for help--they want an audience, or maybe victims. I'll stand by vipers.
and I don't know what QFT stands for either.
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Dodge Vipers vipers?
i was thinking more of something you'd find in a box in the basement of a nondescript LA pawnshop.
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i was thinking more of something you'd find in a box in the basement of a nondescript LA pawnshop.
Gimp?
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i was thinking more of something you'd find in a box in the basement of a nondescript LA pawnshop.
I thought Alkie was in NY?
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and I don't know what QFT stands for either.
Quoted for Truth
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Quoted for Truth
I assumed it was Quit Fucking Trolling. Then again, everyone may already know that and I, once again, am missing something.
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I assumed it was Quit Fucking Trolling. Then again, everyone may already know that and I, once again, am missing something.
Heck, by the time he responded, I had forgotten where it was used and had to go look it up.
Kids these days.
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Harsh? My intent is to be accurate, at least metaphorically.
I do not know them, and don't want to. I have known people like them, and they are not having dinner at my house. Jim acted like a stand up guy, his friend showed that he is not a friend, and not much of a man. The woman is a control freak who is dragging Jim and his wife into their fucked-up marriage. The way I read it, the other couple isn't looking for help--they want an audience, or maybe victims. I'll stand by vipers.
and I don't know what QFT stands for either.
I will say again, if you are my friend, I will stand by you, even (perhaps especially) when you've lost your mind. My friendship is not contingent upon you doing exactly as I tell you. If you somehow manage to smash to pieces whatever it is you have, I will do my best to help you pick up the pieces, even if you don't deserve it.
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My friendship is not contingent upon you doing exactly as I tell you.
yet your opinions on everything from baseball to audio cables are to be treated as law. you are one incredibly complex dude.
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yet your opinions on everything from baseball to audio cables are to be treated as law. you are one incredibly complex dude.
That only means that I'm loyal in addition to being lovable.
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yet your opinions on everything from baseball to audio cables are to be treated as law. you are one incredibly complex dude.
He is talking about having friends hypothetically
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Noé, why do Jim's friends want to inject him with venom?
Mercy is all I can think of. Or maybe not.
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Gimp?
No. He's sleeping.
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That only means that I'm loyal in addition to being lovable.
Don't forget modest.
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Harsh? My intent is to be accurate, at least metaphorically.
I do not know them, and don't want to. I have known people like them, and they are not having dinner at my house. Jim acted like a stand up guy, his friend showed that he is not a friend, and not much of a man. The woman is a control freak who is dragging Jim and his wife into their fucked-up marriage. The way I read it, the other couple isn't looking for help--they want an audience, or maybe victims. I'll stand by vipers.
and I don't know what QFT stands for either.
Jim has such a hard time making up his mind, and he's so fickle when he does manage to have an opinion, that I think it's probably helpful for all of us to tell him what to think. Me personally, I'd suggest take a zoloft and let the couple do what they wanna. They are anyway. It is one of those times in life when you're best course is to spend the day before reading Ms. Manners columns and when the afternoon comes be very, very attentive to your own wife. There are times in every married life when retreat is your only proper course.
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There are times in every married life when retreat is your only proper course.
Are there times when this is not the case?
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No. He's sleeping.
Well wake his ass up!
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Are there times when this is not the case?
Depends. How long have you been married? Less than 5 yrs, sure, there are times when you shouldn't retreat. More than 10yrs, that's a different story. Not to mention It's the in-between years that will kill you. Years 5-10, most dangerous time in a marriage. Just sayin'...
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Are there times when this is not the case?
Good point.
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reprieve: postponed until a week from Sunday
Too bad - this Sunday is Divine Mercy Sunday.
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Quoted for Truth
Ebby had it right.
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Jim, these people are vipers. I hope you and your wife can get them out of your lives soon.
my wife wants them in our lives. she did the inviting. next suggestion?
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Ebby had it right.
For the longest time I though it meant Quite Fucking True. Same effect I guess.
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"Good luck with that, hun." ?
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my wife wants them in our lives. she did the inviting. next suggestion?
you really have no option. you have to deal with it. i, surprising to myself, rather agree with hudson and his philosophy.
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I will say again, if you are my friend, I will stand by you, even (perhaps especially) when you've lost your mind. My friendship is not contingent upon you doing exactly as I tell you. If you somehow manage to smash to pieces whatever it is you have, I will do my best to help you pick up the pieces, even if you don't deserve it.
HH, I agree with you completely about how be a friend. And I practice this as well. In fact all week long I have been helping a friend who has literally, and dangerously, lost his mind.
I simply read Jim's situation differently. I interpreted Jim's honest conversation with the guy has an attempt to become true friends. It failed because the guy isn't capable of being a friend, and Jim knew this but tried anyway because it seemed like the right thing to do. More, my guess is that this isn't atypical behavior for this couple. This isn't them at there worst, in trouble, drowning. This sick master/gimp shit is what they are made out of. So it's not that the guy lost his mind, it's that he never had his balls.
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I simply read Jim's situation differently. I interpreted Jim's honest conversation with the guy has an attempt to become true friends. It failed because the guy isn't capable of being a friend, and Jim knew this but tried anyway because it seemed like the right thing to do.
My understanding is that this guy has been a close friend of Jim's for many years. I do not believe the appropriate course is to tell your close friend "fuck you, you won't do what I say, I'm no longer your friend". Frankly, if that's how you feel, I wouldn't want you as a friend in the first place.
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i've found that great friendships are rare
is this one worth saving/salvaging?
because if it is (and if it were me) i would let go of the stuff that is bothering me
and find a way to look forward to the upcoming get-together
and, if the friendship isn't worth it to you, but it is to your wife
i would still tell you to let go of the stuff that is bothering you
and find a way to look forward to the upcoming get-together
because fuck it. if it's going to happen, you might as well enjoy yourself.
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because fuck it. if it's going to happen, you might as well enjoy yourself.
This shouldn't be a blanket statement.
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This shouldn't be a blanket statement.
wow
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This shouldn't be a blanket statement.
Don't worry, she's not running for Governor.
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i've found that great friendships are rare
is this one worth saving/salvaging?
because if it is (and if it were me) i would let go of the stuff that is bothering me
and find a way to look forward to the upcoming get-together
and, if the friendship isn't worth it to you, but it is to your wife
i would still tell you to let go of the stuff that is bothering you
and find a way to look forward to the upcoming get-together
because fuck it. if it's going to happen, you might as well enjoy yourself.
i will behave appropriately when the 4 of us are together. he is still my social friend, but i no longer trust or respect him.
if he ever needs me again, i will try to help him.
the last line is not who i think you are.
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because fuck it. if it's going to happen, you might as well enjoy yourself.
/claytonwilliams
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/claytonwilliams
I with thinking Drayton McLane.
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I rather think you all may have missed the intention she was expressing - or I missed it.
Seemed to me she was trying to say that if you and your wife are going to spend the evening with them then enjoy it.
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I rather think you all may have missed the intention she was expressing - or I missed it.
Seemed to me she was trying to say that if you and your wife are going to spend the evening with them then enjoy it.
probably.
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I rather think you all may have missed the intention she was expressing - or I missed it.
Seemed to me she was trying to say that if you and your wife are going to spend the evening with them then enjoy it.
That's how I read it, but what do I know?
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That's how I read it, but what do I know?
absolutely fucking nothing. you are married now.
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absolutely fucking nothing. you are married now.
He's still in years 0-5. Stand your ground!! STAND! YOUR! GROUND!
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He's still in years 0-5. Stand your ground!! STAND! YOUR! GROUND!
Are the rest of allowed to snicker at the tilting?
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Are the rest of allowed to snicker at the tilting?
I believe it's required.
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Are the rest of allowed to snicker at the tilting?
rushed to the rescue of fair damsel, didn't he?
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absolutely fucking nothing. you are married now.
Truer words were never written.
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Don't worry, she's not running for Governor.
what makes you so sure?
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Noé, why do Jim's friends want to inject him with venom?
Don't lawyers typically do that as a matter of routine interaction?
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Final (i think) ETA to this fucking soap opera:
they have broken up again, this time probably for good. this was inevitable, in my opinion, because they resolved nothing before resuming their together life. so, no foursome at my house Sunday, and Carolyn can work hard to remain her friend.
and i lived happily ever after, i hope.
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What a bumpy ride, Coach. Glad it has worked itself out, as it were.
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What a bumpy ride, Coach. Glad it has worked itself out, as it were.
inevitable and good result, imo.
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And now, hopefully, you can take a deep breath and worry about what to drink while watching baseball on Sunday instead.
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And now, hopefully, you can take a deep breath and worry about what to drink while watching baseball on Sunday instead.
On Friday I am drinking Yamazaki - trusting the Japanese to make scotch was a mistake,
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On Friday I am drinking Yamazaki - trusting the Japanese to make scotch was a mistake,
Diet Coke from Mooyah for me. The boys are hitting the hard stuff tonight... Butterfinger and Cookie Dough milkshakes.
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On Friday I am drinking Yamazaki - trusting the Japanese to make scotch was a mistake,
This. I decided to go "out of the box" post-dinner at Eddie v's recently. Unfortunately, it was not santori times.
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Diet Coke from Mooyah for me. The boys are hitting the hard stuff tonight... Butterfinger and Cookie Dough milkshakes.
Sounds like my type of hard stuff! I love milkshakes.
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Sounds like my type of hard stuff! I love milkshakes.
There's a burger place in McKinney that I keep meaning to take the boys to... they serve Twinkie and Ding-Dong milkshakes.
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There's a burger place in McKinney that I keep meaning to take the boys to... they serve Twinkie and Ding-Dong milkshakes.
Wow. I'd love that too. Take the boys and report back.
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On Friday I am drinking Yamazaki - trusting the Japanese to make scotch was a mistake,
Has anyone tried Balcones Whiskey?
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Has anyone tried Balcones Whiskey?
Very young, a hint of ethanol and diesel, bouquet of stock yard after rain.
I haven't, actually, but generically on local spirits I heard Bobby Heugel of Anvil say the most interesting thing: that you have to remember these are all new distilleries without 100 years of history, that their products are not as refined as they will be 20 years from now, and that we should buy them to support their effort. But when you get it home plan to put them in mixed drinks with plenty of sugar.
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There's a burger place in McKinney that I keep meaning to take the boys to... they serve Twinkie and Ding-Dong milkshakes.
Mmmmmmmmn, Ding-Dongs.
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Mmmmmmmmn, Ding-Dongs.
Michael Berry?
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Has anyone tried Balcones Whiskey?
The distiller's a family friend. The Baby Blue, well, just see Neil's comments below. The True Blue (7 years old, I think) is pretty fantastic and shows the potential of what their whiskey is going to be like down the road. Still has a strong corn whiskey flavor, but much richer and sorta woody.