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General Discussion => Beer and Queso => Topic started by: Lurch on November 29, 2010, 10:08:02 am
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link (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368)
Good for them
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link (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368)
Good for them
Boise gets screwed coming into a gutted mountain west
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Wow. The Big East will be a whole new world for them. Congratulations, Froggies!
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Boise gets screwed coming into a gutted mountain west
They still come out ahead, since they are bringing their best WAC rivals with them (Nevada, Fresno State, and Hawaii), and rest of the MWC gang (Air Force, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV, Wyoming, and New Mexico) is typically much better than Idaho, San Jose, Louisiana Tech, Utah State, et al.
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They will need to upgrade their besketball program.
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They will need to upgrade their besketball program.
Too true. Though they are off to a decent start this year at 4-2 with wins over SMU and Houston already (not great marks those, but an improvement for sure). Interesting home game with Southern Cal in Fort Worth tonight. The Trojans must have a player with DFW ties or something. TCU and USC have never played in hoops before.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368
"If you don't dream, you're living in a memory," Del Conte said. "Who wants to live in a memory? Every single time we have an opportunity to think about where we're going to go, that's the leadership of our chancellor that says, 'Guess what? We dare to be great academically and athletically.' This decision today is great for TCU. We're heading in an arena that we've always dreamed about. The BCS does not define TCU, TCU defines the BCS. The academic institutions that we're going to be associated with is unbelievable. This is a great time to be a Frog.
I love this quote, particularly the highlighted portion.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5862368
I love this quote, particularly the highlighted portion.
I can see that, squinting sideways, as him saying that TCU is exactly what the BCS wants in a member school, but if that's what he was saying he could've worded it more clearly. Or maybe it's a Napoleonic complex run amok and I'm looking at it sideways and squinting.
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If there ever was a great time to be a Frog, this just could be that time.
Ribbit.
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[url]The BCS does not define TCU, TCU defines the BCS
I think it's cute that he believes that.
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If there ever was a great time to be a Frog, this just could be that time.
Ribbit.
Amen.
When I enrolled at TCU in 1998, the school was in the WAC, which just had its eight most notable members announce they were breaking away to form a new conference, the Mountain West. The football team had gone 1-10 in 1997. Attendance at football games was 25,000 or less.
That 1998 season saw progress - a 7-5 season that included an improbable win in the Sun Bowl over USC. Since then, TCU has been in bowls in 12 of 13 seasons. Finished ranked in the Top 25 eight times. TCU had zero sellouts at Amon Carter Stadium between 1984 and 2006. There have been four in the last two seasons. A sellout at TCU involves a number of people equivalent to 60% of the living alumni base showing up at the stadium.
This week, TCU gets an invitation to a BCS league and is one Oregon or Auburn loss from playing for the national championship. The consolation prize is probably the Rose Bowl. Are you kidding me?
I am completely biased when I say that TCU's resurgence in football is one of the best stories in Texas sports over the past decade. It is not thought of that way due to lingering Southwest Conference prejudices (IMO).
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Remember, act like you've been there before.
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I get why TCU is interested, not sure about the Big East though. The article mentioned "extending its media footprint." I assume that means viewers, but I doubt they get much more than TCU's current fanbase.
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Remember, act like you've been there before.
Always good advice no matter what the topic is.
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Remember, act like you've been there before.
Sorry. On a day like yesterday, I was in a reflective mood on the length and improbability of the whole journey for TCU. I assume most folks on this board follow the four Texas Big 12 teams, and probably cannot relate to what the other four former SWC schools have had to endure since the end of the SWC. A program like TCU - which has national championships, a Heisman winner, a major bowl pedigree (albeit from the 1950s and before) - was in real danger of truly being left for dead by the major college football world.
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If that's how you want to look at it, you weren't in danger of being left for dead; you were left for dead; I don't think it was to that extreme, but I sure could see that from the university's point of view. To its credit your university refused to accept said sentencing. Now you get to join, if not rule, a football conference you used to sneeze at, and rightfully so.
Presuming your performance levels don't drop off, your baseball and football programs should love the Big East. Yeah, hoops will almost certainly struggle for a couple of years, but perhaps by the time you join up, that program will have become more viable, as you suggest is possible, expecially if you're able to get a higher percentage of the state's better talent to give you a shot.
When I was in school, the current set-up you enjoy was the opposite: TCU football and baseball rarely beat anyone, while basketball under The Killer was pretty salty most years. Buddy of mine played for Coach Killingsworth.
Congrats to the university. Sure was hoping for a TCU-Ohio State bowl game--call it the put up or shut up bowl. It's still a remote possibility, isn't it, should the voters & computers get looney on Sunday and move Ohio State ahead of Wisconsin?
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Congrats to the university. Sure was hoping for a TCU-Ohio State bowl game--call it the put up or shut up bowl. It's still a remote possibility, isn't it, should the voters & computers get looney on Sunday and move Ohio State ahead of Wisconsin?
Given the head to head result between OSU and Wisconsin, it is difficult to see the Buckeyes making it to the Rose.
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Given the head to head result between OSU and Wisconsin, it is difficult to see the Buckeyes making it to the Rose.
I hope TCU gets to play a good team because they haven't beaten anyone of note all year. An undefeated season is certainly an accomplishment not to be scoffed at, however.
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I hope TCU gets to play a good team because they haven't beaten anyone of note all year. An undefeated season is certainly an accomplishment not to be scoffed at, however.
TCU beat the other teams in its conference, plus SMU (playing for their conference title this weekend), Baylor (bowl team out of the Big 12), and Oregon State (whose biggest sin was to actually have the stones to play a tough non-conference schedule and then suffer some injuries).
I am sure what teams you consider to be "of note," but I would imagine that most of those teams had no interest in scheduling TCU out-of-conference.
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double post - sorry
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TCU beat the other teams in its conference, plus SMU (playing for their conference title this weekend), Baylor (bowl team out of the Big 12), and Oregon State (whose biggest sin was to actually have the stones to play a tough non-conference schedule and then suffer some injuries).
I am sure what teams you consider to be "of note," but I would imagine that most of those teams had no interest in scheduling TCU out-of-conference.
TCU is a nice team, but if they played any kind of schedule it would prove them overrated. They are a very good bully. They beat the living shit out of teams they can easily overpower. Baylor got pushed around by pretty much every team that was physically stronger than they were. SMU is still SMU. They are small and weak, albeit fast (the reason they are successful is that they have a very good coach). And I still think Oregon State is nothign but a two trick pony (The Rogers brothers are about all they got)...in the PAC 10, if you ain't Stanford or Oregon, you can pretty much get beat by anyone on any day of the week. TCU has had no real signature win. Utah? Yeah, they were really good, ask Notre Dame. They would be OSU or A&M in the Big XXII, pretty nice team with two or three losses. I like the fact they at least attempted to schedule some decent teams...and they handled their business. But, a national championship team they are not (NOT that you ever implied that).
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TCU beat the other teams in its conference, plus SMU (playing for their conference title this weekend), Baylor (bowl team out of the Big 12), and Oregon State (whose biggest sin was to actually have the stones to play a tough non-conference schedule and then suffer some injuries).
I am sure what teams you consider to be "of note," but I would imagine that most of those teams had no interest in scheduling TCU out-of-conference.
SMU was the least shitty team in a really shitty division of a really shitty conference. UH kicked the shit out of them with a 3rd string true frosh QB on SMU's homecoming.
Oregon State has a losing record and is 4-4 in the PAC-10. Kudos to the Beavers for playing some tough out of conference games though.
Baylor is a solid team in a solid conference but nothing special.
Please consider before you reply that I am not a supporter of any college football stalwart. I went to a school that competes in 1AA football. I have no problem with TCU playing in a top tier BCS game, or even the BCS Championship game--as a result of doing exactly what you mentioned above. They deserve a BCS game, IMO. I'm intrigued to see TCU play a good team, because I think TCU is good and am curious how good.
The problem with your logic, however, is that you think TCU merits the pinnacle of college football competition on the basis of beating 1 mediocre team from the Pac-10 and Big XII, respectively. The contra-thesis is that teams like Stanford and Oklahoma should leapfrog TCU because those programs beat those teams on a weekly basis. I'm not saying either is right, per se, but I think we should be able to agree that the system needs to change.
But don't pretend like TCU could run the table in the SEC. TCU probably won't even be able to run the table in the Big East on a consistent basis. The beauty of the conference change to an AQ though is that TCU won't have to complete such feats to play in a BCS game.
/fruitless banter
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Regarding Baylor in the above posts: I saw them play a lot. They are one dimensional--no defense and a capable offense. They took care of business against not so good teams and got their ass kicked by good to very good teams. I don't think I can judge TCU beyond the fact that they were dominant and hitting on all eight cylinders when they played Baylor (and other teams). I do know that after watching Auburn and Alabama play, that I would want no part of either of them.
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I do know that after watching Auburn and Alabama play, that I would want no part of either of them.
It's hilarious to see the NCAA crawfishing their way into keeping Cam Newton eligible.
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Regarding Baylor in the above posts: I saw them play a lot. They are one dimensional--no defense and a capable offense. They took care of business against not so good teams and got their ass kicked by good to very good teams. I don't think I can judge TCU beyond the fact that they were dominant and hitting on all eight cylinders when they played Baylor (and other teams). I do know that after watching Auburn and Alabama play, that I would want no part of either of them.
or Oregon
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It's hilarious to see the NCAA crawfishing their way into keeping Cam Newton eligible.
It's reasonable to assume that more shit will hit the fan in the coming months. Coming on the heels of the USC saga, how much more of this before the public begins to roll their eyes at any dominant program? And, don't call me Shirley.
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It's hilarious to see the NCAA crawfishing their way into keeping Cam Newton eligible.
Pathetic ruling. Disgusting, actually.
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Pathetic ruling. Disgusting, actually.
It just underscores the arbitrary and capricious nature of the NCAA. I hate those bastards.
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It just underscores the arbitrary and capricious nature of the NCAA. I hate those bastards.
There's nothing arbitrary and capricious about always acting to maximize profits.
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It just underscores the arbitrary and capricious nature of the NCAA. I hate those calculating bastards.
FIFY
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There's nothing arbitrary and capricious about always acting to maximize profits.
If they were interested in maximizing profits, there'd be a playoff.
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If they were interested in maximizing profits, there'd be a playoff.
I'm not at all convinced that a playoff would reap greater profit.
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I'm not at all convinced that a playoff would reap greater profit.
It'd be gigantic for TV ratings at least, in the sense that it would essentially nationalize what are otherwise glorified regional games. Nobody's going to watch Ohio State/Stanford, for instance, except Big 10 and Pac 10 fans, plus a few random sports diehards. Nobody period's going to watch Connecticut-TCU. If those games were playoff semifinal or quarterfinals, they'd get national attention and would be mandatory viewing for casual sports fans everywhere.
The problem college football has in general is that it's only must-see viewing for people who went to schools with big-time D-1 football programs or grew up in those areas. Having a playoff would greatly expand the sphere of influence.
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It'd be gigantic for TV ratings at least, in the sense that it would essentially nationalize what are otherwise glorified regional games. Nobody's going to watch Ohio State/Stanford, for instance, except Big 10 and Pac 10 fans, plus a few random sports diehards. Nobody period's going to watch Connecticut-TCU. If those games were playoff semifinal or quarterfinals, they'd get national attention and would be mandatory viewing for casual sports fans everywhere.
The problem college football has in general is that it's only must-see viewing for people who went to schools with big-time D-1 football programs or grew up in those areas. Having a playoff would greatly expand the sphere of influence.
And now I'm convinced.
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There's nothing arbitrary and capricious about always acting to maximize profits.
You've obviously never been interviewed by those gestapo bastards. I was interviewed twice. I hate those bastards.