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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Gizzmonic on July 20, 2010, 07:16:53 pm
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They just showed a snippet of the press conference on the Astros broadcast-Pinella is hanging them up after this season. Hendry's job is supposedly safe.
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Does he get to keep the 3 WS Trophies he won with the Cubs?
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Cabrera takes you to the movies (http://www.spikesnstars.com/forums/index.php?topic=111258.msg338382#msg338382).
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Well, frost my nutsac! I suppose I should check all Lou-related topics lest I post stale news once again!
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Well, frost my nutsac! I suppose I should check all Lou-related topics lest I post stale news once again!
Tough to find them when they're buried. It deserved its own thread for sure.
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Tough to find them when they're buried. It deserved its own thread for sure.
What, you guys don't read every post on every thread before posting?
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What, you guys don't read every post on every thread before posting?
I'd like to talk about this issue I had at Chili's the other day.
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I'd like to talk about this issue I had at Chili's the other day.
You weren't the guy in the hat, were you? I was getting some tea.
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You weren't the guy in the hat, were you? I was getting some tea.
What kind?
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What kind?
Tea, dammit! TEA!
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I'd like to talk about this issue I had at Chili's the other day.
Have you heard that net neutrality may shut down Sns?
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Have you heard that net neutrality may shut down Sns?
i hear that was refudiated
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i hear that was refudiated
Along with the existence of dinosaurs.
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Have you heard that net neutrality may shut down Sns?
Why don't you go make oil?!?
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What, you guys don't read every post on every thread before posting?
Too busy on the front page.
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Too busy on the front page.
Ass-kisser.
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Turns out he can't take any more of the sChlUBS either. Decided to cut his losses and call it quits after today's game against the Braves.
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He must have been having an awful time. Looked like he'd been done every time I'd seen him.
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"When I previously announced my intentions to retire at the end of the season, a primary reason for my decision was that it would allow me to spend more valuable time with my family," Piniella said in a statement released by the ballclub. "That time has unfortunately gotten here sooner than I could have ever expected.
"As many know, the several weeks since that announcement was made have been very difficult on a family level, requiring two leaves of absence from the club. While I fully intended to manage this club the rest of the season, a family situation at home now requires my full attention."
--Tribune (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/piniella-to-step-down-after-todays-game.html)
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Turns out he can't take any more of the sChlUBS either. Decided to cut his losses and call it quits after today's game against the Braves.
Fuck the Cubs.
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I agree. Lou has looked miserable and done all year. It was a mistake for him to manage this season.
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Turns out he can't take any more of the sChlUBS either. Decided to cut his losses and call it quits after today's game against the Braves.
And ended on a 'high note' at that... BOX (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2010_08_22_atlmlb_chnmlb_1)
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Pretty nice writeup on the situation (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100822&content_id=13777148&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb) from MLB.
"I've enjoyed it here," Piniella said. "Four wonderful years and I've made a lot of friends. We've had some success here and this year has been a little bit of a struggle. Family is important and comes first, and my mom needs me home and that's where I'm going."
ETA: Of course, the whole time I'm reading this I'm thinking, "It's the Johnny Cammareri Story."
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Despite the Cubs affiliation, I have to admit I cannot help but like Lou Piniella, and always have. While he was a good and successful manager, and a good-to-great player before that, he was refreshingly guileless when it came to his dealings with the press, his players, umpires, etc. Even when he was in the midst of one of his famous umpire-instigated tirades on the field, where it might have appeared to a disinterested observer that he had simply lost his mind, I think there was always an edge of humor there, and a detached part of Piniella's brain watching himself through the whole thing.
Lou Piniella took baseball seriously enough, but himself not too much. One got the sense he would storm out onto the field really, really pissed off; but at some point the detached part of himself would realize how ridiculous it all was, a grown man in a baseball uniform, kicking dirt on the feet of another man and throwing bases around, etc. I used to try and figure out where the pissed-off ended and the sense of humor began. One would sometimes see the poor umpire who was the nexus of a Piniellian explosion smiling at the end of it. Not at Piniella one sensed, but with him. That is a pretty rare thing.
He fell short of expectations in Chicago, and in St. Petersburg prior to that; but he also won a WS with the Reds, and set a record for regular season wins in Seattle. Most managers would be very happy to have a resume like that.
I watched part of his post game press conference this afternoon on WGN. Piniella pretty much reiterated what was in the press release. What was most compelling to me was how openly emotional he was. His voice broke often, and he was in tears at times. He thanked the press guys for being fair with him, and it seemed he really he meant it. Wonder when the last time was a departing skipper so convincingly said something like that? When he attempted to point out that today was the last time he would ever put on a uniform, after fifty-some years of doing it, he simply could not finish the thought. He basically dissolved.
I thought, here's this tough-guy, bad-ass former player and manager, kicked Rob Dibble's ass on national TV and all that, and he is not the least bit ashamed of being very emotional at his last press conference, in front of everyone. Maybe the choking up and tears made some people think less of him, I don't know. I think it made me admire him even more.
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I really liked Sweet Lou both as a player and a manager. I'll miss him.
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Despite the Cubs and Yankees affiliation Lou gets my respect. He obviously is very passionate about baseball and baseball in a small way is better for having Lou.
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Never really liked him as a player or a manager. Laughed at his toddlerish temper tantrums and macho crap. Hate that his mom is sick. Glad is appears to have his priorities in order.
Doubt he is really retired.
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Never really liked him as a player or a manager. Laughed at his toddlerish temper tantrums and macho crap. Hate that his mom is sick. Glad is appears to have his priorities in order.
Doubt he is really retired.
He was a winner both as a player and as a manager. He was a good, but not great, hitter who platooned or who played more of a supporting role for a substantial part of his playing career. He won a World Series as a manager too.
I could have done without some of the temper tantrums too, but I can't fault him for that because I had a big problem with that too, particularly as a coach, until I cleaned up and grew the fuck up. I doubt that he's a HOF'er or fully retired too. But I think that there is no doubt that he's done as a skipper. You may see him in the broadcast booth or in a front office position. I wish his mother and his family well.
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He was a winner both as a player and as a manager. He was a good, but not great, hitter who platooned or who played more of a supporting role for a substantial part of his playing career. He won a World Series as a manager too.
I doubt that he's a HOF'er. . .
He switched to the role you mention late in his career, after he went to NYY. Prior to that, in KC and NY, he was a very good full time player and hitter. He hit over .300 three times in full seasons, and finished with a .291 lifetime average. He was ROY with ther expansion Royals in 1969. I think you understated his accomplishments as a player.
I am curious about the HOF. Should an individual have been Hall Of Fame level as either a player or manager to get in? What about a guy like Piniella, who was both a good but not HOF level player and a good but not HOF level manager? Do his cumulative accomplishments as both a player and manager add up to HOF election? I think Joe Torre will make it in on similar credentials, though Torre may well be an HOF level manager, I don't really know what the criteria is for that.
A guy like Frank Robinson is different, he would have made it in as a player alone. But he was also a good manager for a long time, as well as an accomplished executive. Maybe F-Robby is in a class all by himself.
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He switched to the role you mention late in his career, after he went to NYY. Prior to that, in KC and NY, he was a very good full time player and hitter. He hit over .300 three times in full seasons, and finished with a .291 lifetime average. He was ROY with ther expansion Royals in 1969. I think you understated his accomplishments as a player.
I am curious about the HOF. Should an individual have been Hall Of Fame level as either a player or manager to get in? What about a guy like Piniella, who was both a good but not HOF level player and a good but not HOF level manager? Do his cumulative accomplishments as both a player and manager add up to HOF election? I think Joe Torre will make it in on similar credentials, though Torre may well be an HOF level manager, I don't really know what the criteria is for that.
A guy like Frank Robinson is different, he would have made it in as a player alone. But he was also a good manager for a long time, as well as an accomplished executive. Maybe F-Robby is in a class all by himself.
I must disagree with you, SR. Piniella only garnered over 500 AB's four times in a career that spanned from 1964-84. For the last five seasons, his high water mark for AB's was 321.
Compare the number of AB's that Piniella had (6,352 + 368 BB = 6,720) to that of Rusty Staub, whose career was from 1963-85 (11,229 + 1,255 = 12,484). That's a big disparity.
I don't think that F-Robby gets in either if his player numbers were like Piniella's. His managerial numbers weren't that good (1065-1176 .475) over 16 seasons, and he never won a WS.
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I must disagree with you, SR. Piniella only garnered over 500 AB's four times in a career that spanned from 1964-84. For the last five seasons, his high water mark for AB's was 321.
Compare the number of AB's that Piniella had (6,352 + 368 BB = 6,720) to that of Rusty Staub, whose career was from 1963-85 (11,229 + 1,255 = 12,484). That's a big disparity.
I don't think that F-Robby gets in either if his player numbers were like Piniella's. His managerial numbers weren't that good (1065-1176 .475) over 16 seasons, and he never won a WS.
Staub was a fine hitter, and I am not going to disparage him. I don't understand why we are comparing him (or any other player) to Piniella here, though. My point was that your statement "He was a . . . hitter who platooned or who played more of a supporting role for a substantial part of his playing career" is misleading. So is characterizing his MLB career as 1964-1984, since 1964-1968 he had exactly 7 PAs in a couple of cups of coffee with Baltimore and Cleveland. His rookie year was 1969, clearly. He was a full-time player for the first half of his MLB career, which started when he was 25 (Staub came up at what? Age 19?) He was not a great hitter, but a very good one in his time. As I said originally, the years as a platoon/part-time player came in the latter half of his career; but then, that happens to a lot of guys who hang around into their 40s.
You lost me with the Frank Robinson statement, but I wasn't clear in what I was trying to say. I consider him to be remarkable and perhaps unique in baseball, in that he excelled in so many areas. There may be another player who was a HOF level player, a long-time manager, and an admired team executive and league executive, but I cannot think of one off of the top of my head.
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Robinson... There may be another player who was a HOF level player, a long-time manager, and an admired team executive and league executive, but I cannot think of one off of the top of my head.
Hank Greenberg a HoF player, became a director of Cleveland's farm system, then GM, then part owner.
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Staub was a fine hitter, and I am not going to disparage him. I don't understand why we are comparing him (or any other player) to Piniella here, though. My point was that your statement "He was a . . . hitter who platooned or who played more of a supporting role for a substantial part of his playing career" is misleading. So is characterizing his MLB career as 1964-1984, since 1964-1968 he had exactly 7 PAs in a couple of cups of coffee with Baltimore and Cleveland. His rookie year was 1969, clearly. He was a full-time player for the first half of his MLB career, which started when he was 25 (Staub came up at what? Age 19?) He was not a great hitter, but a very good one in his time. As I said originally, the years as a platoon/part-time player came in the latter half of his career; but then, that happens to a lot of guys who hang around into their 40s.
You lost me with the Frank Robinson statement, but I wasn't clear in what I was trying to say. I consider him to be remarkable and perhaps unique in baseball, in that he excelled in so many areas. There may be another player who was a HOF level player, a long-time manager, and an admired team executive and league executive, but I cannot think of one off of the top of my head.
Robinson managed the Orioles when I was at Georgetown Law School. He wasn't a great manager that season, even though his club did stink to high heaven. I found many of his moves that seaon to be questionable as I saw practically every game.
Your point about Piniella as a player is well taken. I withdraw that point.
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the unbridled arrogance of "I found" and of a law student second-guessing Frank Robison...
Hubris, thy name is Happy.
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the unbridled arrogance of *** a law student second-guessing***
Hubris, thy name is [insert name of random first year law student]
FIFY.
Seriously, does anyone know more than a 1L thinks that they know?
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the unbridled arrogance of "I found" and of a law student second-guessing Frank Robison...
Hubris, thy name is Happy.
That's what fans do. I remember several situations last season where no less a luminary than you questioned Cooper's moves. Hycrotical, much? Oh, I forgot, you know more than the rest of us, so you can do that. Know-it-all, thy name is Jim.
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Know-it-all, thy name is Jim.
The difference is Hudson Jim actually does know it all.
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The difference is Hudson Jim actually does know it all.
Silly ole me. I forgot that!
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The difference is Hudson Jim actually does know it all.
Fuck you.
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Silly ole me. I forgot that!
how did fat ass do last night? did he satisfy the Happy test of excellence?
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how did fat ass do last night? did he satisfy the Happy test of excellence?
The Happy Test of Excellence sounds like a Japanese game show.
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The Happy Test of Excellence sounds like a Japanese game show.
all your left fielders are belong to us!
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all your left fielders are belong to us!
I think it's more like All our left fielders wish belong to you.
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The Happy Test of Excellence sounds like a Japanese game show.
"And now, it's time to pray... Wheer of Fish!"
"You ah so stuuuuuupid!"
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how did fat ass do last night? did he satisfy the Happy test of excellence?
I'd say that he earned his fat salary in that game, which hasn't happened a whole lot this year. I'm not going to give a guy props for doing what he is paid to do.
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I'd say that he earned his fat salary in that game, which hasn't happened a whole lot this year. I'm not going to give a guy props for doing what he is paid to do.
omg, you are hilarious.
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omg, you are hilarious.
Glad to provide some comic relief to your obviously miserable existence. Is Lee not being paid $18 million dollars to produce or not? His numbers aren't that good, although in fairness his RBI number isn't terrible. But his BA certainly is considering his past performance.
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Is Lee not being paid $18 million dollars to produce or not? His numbers aren't that good, although in fairness his RBI number isn't terrible. But his BA certainly is considering his past performance.
I don't think the dude started the year with the intent to have a shitty season, although as a whole it has been (or I would guess it is, by his standards). But give Caballo some credit...he has not sacked his bats just yet. From what I have seen he is one of the reasons the team is palying the way they are right now. Is he earning his $18 million...probably not, but what MLB player making that amount of money actually earns their salary? What numbers (other than AIS) correlate to salary? Since it ain't my money, I am pretty content with him when he is getting clutch hits late in games to put the good guys in a position to win.
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I don't think the dude started the year with the intent to have a shitty season, although as a whole it has been (or I would guess it is, by his standards). But give Caballo some credit...he has not sacked his bats just yet. From what I have seen he is one of the reasons the team is palying the way they are right now. Is he earning his $18 million...probably not, but what MLB player making that amount of money actually earns their salary? What numbers (other than AIS) correlate to salary? Since it ain't my money, I am pretty content with him when he is getting clutch hits late in games to put the good guys in a position to win.
More to the point, be mad at Uncle Drayton for the 18 million, not Lee. There's not a person here who would give back contractually obligated money.
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I don't think the dude started the year with the intent to have a shitty season, although as a whole it has been (or I would guess it is, by his standards). But give Caballo some credit...he has not sacked his bats just yet. From what I have seen he is one of the reasons the team is palying the way they are right now. Is he earning his $18 million...probably not, but what MLB player making that amount of money actually earns their salary? What numbers (other than AIS) correlate to salary? Since it ain't my money, I am pretty content with him when he is getting clutch hits late in games to put the good guys in a position to win.
I agree that Lee's been much better lately. It's his production when there's no one on base (.218) that is inexplicable, especially since he's actually performing at the expected clip with RISP (.302).
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More to the point, be mad at Uncle Drayton for the 18 million, not Lee. There's not a person here who would give back contractually obligated money.
I just want to go on record. If Uncle D signed me for $18 million to do whatever for a year, I'd gladly give him back $9 million.