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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Arky Vaughan on February 04, 2009, 10:44:59 pm
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123328241772832043.html
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Noe, what is the WNBA?
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I suspect the NFL will be the most "recession proof", because a lot of its audience is based on gambling, and gambling (and drinking) typically increase during downturns in the economy.
MLB has more flexibility because of its long season and its ticket prices are already much cheaper per game as a result. Plus, it's a summer sport and that's when the kids are off school.
The NBA though, is a winter sport with high ticket prices and the least "tradition" of the majors. I think it'll have the hardest time.
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Not to mention, few care about the NBA until the play-offs start. Like the movie industry, which is not suffering at the ticket box from the current economic situation, pro sports are seen by many Americans as an escape. Interesting about the increasing quality of the home viewing experience though.
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but you know no matter how much you love the astros and watch games fithgully at home.. its not the same excpericne as seeing it in person..
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The question is, were these failures part of a normal, recessionary, thinning of the herd?
Yes.
Or were they the early warning signs of a pro-sports bubble that may be about to burst?
No.
Look at all the pesky reading I just avoided! Thanks, WSJ, for putting the quiz at the beginning of the material.
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This issue highlights why I don't really understand the grocer's whole stance on the payroll right now. I see it in two ways. First, if he has serious liquidity issues and this is a serious "batten down the hatches and weather the storm" situation, then I understand the current view on the payroll cap.
However, if he/the organization currently have liquidity the payroll makes no sense. The way I see the current economic environment is that the companies with adequate liquidity and strong balance sheets are going to come away from the recessionary environment as big winners. They be defined as such because they are going to be able to acquire attractive assets at signficantly depressed valuations. You are seeing the exact same thing in the free agent market currently. If the Astros could acquire players like a Wolf, Sheets, Garland, Wigginton etc. at basement bottom prices, the economic benefits just makes obvious sense if they had the cash. If the economy doesn't turn, and the Astros are losing you will be hearing crickets in that stadium. People aren't going to shell out the same cash just to sit and watch a loser on a given night--those Friday, Saturday, Sunday casual fans ("why isn't bagwell playing first base?") in particular. Economy be damned, it would be packed in a hot pennant race in the late summer months, and I'd think you'd see a nice return on those relatively cheap investments (FA signings).
I'm not saying Drayton is cheap at all. I just don't think the organization is capitalizing on a buyers market that could position the franchise for a couple winning seasons and generate the organization some nice returns on their investments back into the franchise.
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This issue highlights why I don't really understand the grocer's whole stance on the payroll right now. I see it in two ways. First, if he has serious liquidity issues and this is a serious "batten down the hatches and weather the storm" situation, then I understand the current view on the payroll cap.
However, if he/the organization currently have liquidity the payroll makes no sense. The way I see the current economic environment is that the companies with adequate liquidity and strong balance sheets are going to come away from the recessionary environment as big winners. They be defined as such because they are going to be able to acquire attractive assets at signficantly depressed valuations. You are seeing the exact same thing in the free agent market currently. If the Astros could acquire players like a Wolf, Sheets, Garland, Wigginton etc. at basement bottom prices, the economic benefits just makes obvious sense if they had the cash. If the economy doesn't turn, and the Astros are losing you will be hearing crickets in that stadium. People aren't going to shell out the same cash just to sit and watch a loser on a given night--those Friday, Saturday, Sunday casual fans ("why isn't bagwell playing first base?") in particular. Economy be damned, it would be packed in a hot pennant race in the late summer months, and I'd think you'd see a nice return on those relatively cheap investments (FA signings).
I'm not saying Drayton is cheap at all. I just don't think the organization is capitalizing on a buyers market that could position the franchise for a couple winning seasons and generate the organization some nice returns on their investments back into the franchise.
HE'S SPENDING $110MM IN A PLUMMETING ECONOMY WHICH IS A 10% INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. WHAT THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO?!
(In caps to accomodate Chron blog readership)
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Not to mention, few care about the NBA until the play-offs start.
The regular season is rendered mostly pointless by the massive post-season. Plus there's lots of young franchises, older franchises in new cities, and franchises in marginal cities. I won't be surprised to see an NBA franchise fold.
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The regular season is rendered mostly pointless by the massive post-season. Plus there's lots of young franchises, older franchises in new cities, and franchises in marginal cities. I won't be surprised to see an NBA franchise fold.
Not that anyone cares, but I loved the NBA until I moved to Austin and discovered I was not allowed to watch the Rockets in SA's territory. Fuck the NBA.
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but you know no matter how much you love the astros and watch games fithgully at home.. its not the same excpericne as seeing it in person..
No it's not. Games are fun to attend and I try to get in at least about 3-5 games a season. However, I rather enjoy having the multiple views, closeups, and replays that television offers. Having great commentators is a huge bonus.
Were it not for the ha$$le$ of parking, ticket price$, beverage price$, etc., I would probably attend more games. I totally agree that if the economy continues to tank and the Astros are having a crap season, you'll be hearing crickets at the game. The biggest indicator will be if major sponsors begin to disappear from signage and promotions.
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No it's not. Games are fun to attend and I try to get in at least about 3-5 games a season. However, I rather enjoy having the multiple views, closeups, and replays that television offers. Having great commentators is a huge bonus.
Were it not for the ha$$le$ of parking, ticket price$, beverage price$, etc., I would probably attend more games. I totally agree that if the economy continues to tank and the Astros are having a crap season, you'll be hearing crickets at the game. The biggest indicator will be if major sponsors begin to disappear from signage and promotions.
On the flip side, with fewer people attending the parking will be easier and I suspect they'll be forced to drop the ticket and conce$$ion prices.
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On the flip side, with fewer people attending the parking will be easier and I suspect they'll be forced to drop the ticket and conce$$ion prices.
Not officially, but you'll have more Dollar Hot Dog nights and the like.
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but you know no matter how much you love the astros and watch games fithgully at home.. its not the same excpericne as seeing it in person..
what the hell is a fithgully? Am I missing a new word or is the something you made up/misspelled?
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what the hell is a fithgully? Am I missing a new word or is the something you made up/misspelled?
I think it's a misspelling of "faithfully". I used to think that Fredia would spell better as she got more excpericne, but I was wrong.
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I think it's a misspelling of "faithfully". I used to think that Fredia would spell better as she got more excpericne, but I was wrong.
Wrongo. "Fithgully" is a fielding position in cricket, to the side of the slips, in front of third man and opposite silly mid-off. Near cover point. Facing square leg.
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Wrongo. "Fithgully" is a fielding position in cricket, to the side of the slips, in front of third man and opposite silly mid-off. Near cover point. Facing square leg.
Figures.
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I thought she was talking about economics and how in these tough times Drayton is having to be fithgully responsible.
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I thought she was talking about economics and how in these tough times Drayton is having to be fithgully responsible.
I like it and will use it often as in: "I have a fithgully of a hangover". "That there is a fithgully of a burger."
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what the hell is a fithgully? Am I missing a new word or is the something you made up/misspelled?
2348 posts and a member for over 4 years and you still can't read Fredia-ese?? For shame!
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Wrongo. "Fithgully" is a fielding position in cricket, to the side of the slips, in front of third man and opposite silly mid-off. Near cover point. Facing square leg.
Me talk pretty one day.
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Wrongo. "Fithgully" is a fielding position in cricket, to the side of the slips, in front of third man and opposite silly mid-off. Near cover point. Facing square leg.
The great thing about being a cricket expert is that you can make stuff like this up all day long and nobody will notice.
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I thought she was talking about economics and how in these tough times Drayton is having to be fithgully responsible.
That would hvae been "fithgully rethponthibull"
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The great thing about being a cricket expert is that you can make stuff like this up all day long and nobody will notice.
You haven't so far...
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You haven't so far...
I guess I'm not an expert, then.
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I guess I'm not an expert, then.
Cricket experts are actually called "frnerfgladders".
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Cricket experts are actually called "frnerfgladders".
Wait, is this Welsh or Frediaese?
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Wait, is this Welsh or Frediaese?
I used to go to cricket matches at Lords with an ex-British Army major (Retired). We always sat in the frnerfgladders section. He told me that frnerfgladders was rhyming slang for 'mad hatters'. Or maybe it was the other way around. Maybe we were drunk.
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I used to go to cricket matches at Lords with an ex-British Army major (Retired). We always sat in the frnerfgladders section. He told me that frnerfgladders was rhyming slang for 'mad hatters'. Or maybe it was the other way around. Maybe we were drunk.
Rowley Birkin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPiGJBHVadA)
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The Major was from Yorkshire, so he's about as intelligible.
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The Major was from Yorkshire, so he's about as intelligible.
Yorkshiremen believe that cricketing ability begins and ends at Yorkshire's borders, and that God seeks advice from Geoff Boycott (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpUOFFhKKI&feature=related).
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No it's not. Games are fun to attend and I try to get in at least about 3-5 games a season. However, I rather enjoy having the multiple views, closeups, and replays that television offers. Having great commentators is a huge bonus.
Reading people respond in a cogent way to Fredia reminds me of listening to Hank Hill calmly reply to Boomhauer's incoherent mumblings.
I couldn't help but notice that the article pointed several times to declining television ratings. Mine is a quixotic hope, surely, but wouldn't it be great if the ESPNization of sports were finally fatiguing viewers who are simply interested in a Brownie-JD sort of experience rather than a HERE'S MY TAKE BOO-YAH!!!!!!! sort of bullshit?
Edited because I got so hyped up at the BOO-YAH!!! and the FRESH TAKE that I had a palsied fit and hit Post in my ecstatic convulsions.
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Reading people respond in a cogent way to Fredia reminds me of listening to Hank Hill calmly reply to Boomhauer's incoherent mumblings.
I couldn't help but notice that the article pointed several times to declining television ratings. Mine is a quixotic hope, surely, but wouldn't it be great if the ESPNization of sports were finally fatiguing viewers who are simply interested in a Brownie-JD sort of experience rather than a HERE'S MY TAKE BOO-YAH!!!!!!! sort of bullshit?
Edited because I got so hyped up at the BOO-YAH!!! and the FRESH TAKE that I had a palsied fit and hit Post in my ecstatic convulsions.
Proof (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-baby-name-fail.jpg) that ESPN has gone too far.
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Proof (http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/fail-owned-baby-name-fail.jpg) that ESPN has gone too far.
I don't know what good can come from me posting this but...
Palin said she named Bristol in part for Bristol, Conn. — home of the sports network ESPN.
“When I was in high school, my desire was to be a sportscaster,” she said. “Until I learned that you’d have to move to Bristol, Connecticut. It was far away. So instead, I had a daughter and named her Bristol.”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1416219,sarah-palin-trig-bristol-020509.article
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I don't know what good can come from me posting this but...
Palin said she named Bristol in part for Bristol, Conn. — home of the sports network ESPN.
“When I was in high school, my desire was to be a sportscaster,” she said. “Until I learned that you’d have to move to Bristol, Connecticut. It was far away. So instead, I had a daughter and named her Bristol.”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1416219,sarah-palin-trig-bristol-020509.article
JackAstro, get to work on this one.
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I don't know what good can come from me posting this but...
Why not go ahead and post some links about the stimulus, pot, and health care?
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I don't know what good can come from me posting this but...
Palin said she named Bristol in part for Bristol, Conn. — home of the sports network ESPN.
“When I was in high school, my desire was to be a sportscaster,” she said. “Until I learned that you’d have to move to Bristol, Connecticut. It was far away. So instead, I had a daughter and named her Bristol.”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1416219,sarah-palin-trig-bristol-020509.article
"OK Mrs. Palin, push ... push ... nice, the baby's starting to crown ... and ... WHOOOOP!!!! DOINK!!! IT'S A FUMBLE! The nurse scoops it up and she COULD ... GO ... ALL ...."
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"OK Mrs. Palin, push ... push ... nice, the baby's starting to crown ... and ... WHOOOOP!!!! DOINK!!! IT'S A FUMBLE! The nurse scoops it up and she COULD ... GO ... ALL ...."
For some reason, I am reminded of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaGLZEdYDGU&feature=related).
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I suspect the NFL will be the most "recession proof", because a lot of its audience is based on gambling, and gambling (and drinking) typically increase during downturns in the economy.
OK, but how do gambling dollars go back to the league?
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OK, but how do gambling dollars go back to the league?
TV deals.
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OK, but how do gambling dollars go back to the league?
What Bench said.
The reason people watch to the end of blowout shit games between crap teams in other parts of the country is because they've bet the spread and/or the over/under. Football, and therefore its sponsors and advertisers, have a captive audience as a result.