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Title: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 01:07:35 pm
LF Wigginton
2B Loretta
SS Tejada
1B Berkman
3B Blum
RF Pence
CF Abercrombie
C Ausmus
P Rodriguez

2B Weeks
SS Hardy
LF Kapler
1B Fielder
RF Hart
3B Hall
CF Cameron
C Rivera
P Parra
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: das on August 20, 2008, 01:09:42 pm
LF Wigginton
2B Loretta
SS Tejada
1B Berkman
3B Blum
RF Pence
CF Abercrombie
C Ausmus
P Rodriguez
Wigginton is on fire.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 01:15:16 pm
Miggy is not.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 01:15:30 pm
Ty singled to center.  Loretta F8.  Tejada GIDP.  
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: das on August 20, 2008, 01:21:19 pm
Miggy is not.
Nor is Wandy.  He's already talking into his glove.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 01:22:12 pm
Road Wandy.  BB, Infield single to SS.  RBI Double to LF.  Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no outs.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 01:22:22 pm
shit, Wandy. give your team a chance.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: das on August 20, 2008, 01:24:08 pm
shit, Wandy. give your team a chance.
He threw a nice curve to Kapler.  He just hit it off of his shoestrings.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 01:28:09 pm
2 runs--minimal bleeding.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 01:28:33 pm
Sac Fly to LF.  Nice K of Hart chasing high fb.  K of Hall. 25 pitches.  2-0 End of 1st
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 02:04:08 pm
Sac Fly to LF.  Nice K of Hart chasing high fb.  K of Hall. 25 pitches.  2-0 End of 1st

Haven't yet made it through the first inning without giving up runs.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 02:11:35 pm
I'm shocked....Spaz grounded to third.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 02:11:39 pm
someone tell me why Romero stopped Tejada? MT does not know.

fuck, Berkman. HS kids know to run on that play.

Pence is worse than bad at the present time.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 02:16:44 pm
Brownie just said the Astros picked up Julio Jose Castillo from the Giants off of waivers. 

Edit.  Whew.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: austro on August 20, 2008, 02:17:39 pm
I'm shocked....Spaz grounded to third.

How'd he miss SS?
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 02:19:56 pm
swing the fucking bat, Wandy. that's what you took it up there for.

seriously, Pence is horrible, and i do not care if he hits a grand slam next time up. he pulls off of everything, and he just hacks at the ball.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 02:29:09 pm
Aanndd...

Bob Eucher is reminding us to keep plenty of good tasting Usinger's sausage around the house.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 02:37:57 pm
Parra walks Berkman.  But they're not going to pull him yet...they want Geoff Blum to hit right-handed.  Make 'em pay, Blummy!
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 02:39:36 pm
crap. great throw from LF
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 02:40:09 pm
L o r e t t a   i s   s l o w .
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 02:40:19 pm
Loretta gunned down at the plate on a Blum base hit.

Mid 5th, Brewers 3, Astros 2
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 02:41:33 pm
L o r e t t a   i s   s l o w .

yep. but the throw had to be perfect, and it was.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 02:43:32 pm
Loretta gunned down at the plate on a Blum base hit.

Two RH hits from Blum today. He was hitting a very Towles like .162 against southpaws before today.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 02:45:49 pm
Two RH hits from Blum today. He was hitting a very Towles like .162 against southpaws before today.

it started a few games ago.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 02:49:04 pm
Two RH hits from Blum today. He was hitting a very Towles like .162 against southpaws before today.

Maybe he was just rusty.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 02:56:50 pm
Maybe he was just rusty.

Career .229 righty, but he is getting to be a better hitter with age.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 03:03:18 pm
These games seem to get won by the team with fewest hits.  Not looking good for the 'Stros at this point.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:06:09 pm
These games seem to get won by the team with fewest hits.  Not looking good for the 'Stros at this point.

we have cashed in on most of our good chances, Wandy's K notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 03:11:35 pm
we have cashed in on most of our good chances, Wandy's K notwithstanding.

Got beaten on Monday 9-3, despite being even in the hit column.  Last night they Astros won 5-2 while being out-hit 10-8.  Today they trail by 1 but have 6 hits to MIL's 3.

Not trying to devine anything from this.  Just saying that it's an odd quirk of the series thus far.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:18:20 pm
good grief! Erstad swung two feet over that pitch.

and Loretta did not run out a dropped popup.

wow
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: petner on August 20, 2008, 03:24:05 pm
Loretta is trying to force Coop to give Newhan some more starts, I think.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 20, 2008, 03:25:01 pm
C'mon on Loretta, that was piss poor...
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: matadorph on August 20, 2008, 03:26:37 pm
Embarrassing brain cramp by Loretta. Jeesh.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 03:29:51 pm
This is gonna be frustrating if they let this one slip away...Gagne is warming up though, so the game is definitely not over!
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 03:30:39 pm
Embarrassing brain cramp by Loretta. Jeesh.

This should be a balls-to-the-wall, take no prisoners, flat out, leave nothing in the tank kind of game for the Astros.  I can't see it, but it almost sounds like they're mailing it in.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:31:05 pm
This is gonna be frustrating if they let this one slip away

never have been ahead.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:31:47 pm
This should be a balls-to-the-wall, take no prisoners, flat out, leave nothing in the tank kind of game for the Astros.  I can't see it, but it almost sounds like they're mailing it in.

too harsh. they have not played bad.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 03:33:53 pm
Man... he is going to have the redass now for sure. Fuck.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 03:34:50 pm
never have been ahead.

Hardy just gave the Brew Crew more breathing room with "Badger Mutual Insurance" runs.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: petner on August 20, 2008, 03:36:16 pm
Hardy just gave the Brew Crew more breathing room with "Badger Mutual Insurance" runs.
I am enjoying the Euker-only broadcast with no color man.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:38:56 pm
Man... he is going to have the redass now for sure. Fuck.

i looked away and missed it. i thought he got the first man he faced.

U-E-C-K-E-R
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 03:40:40 pm
I am enjoying the Euker-only broadcast with no color man.

The sponsors are funny.  Beer, sausage and badgers...makes Milwaukee seem like a rustic fartsmith's paradise!
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: petner on August 20, 2008, 03:41:22 pm
U-E-C-K-E-R
10-4
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Gizzmonic on August 20, 2008, 03:43:15 pm
10-4

Actually, more like 1-2-3.

Pence flails yet again.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:43:18 pm
HOLY CRAP.

first damn pitch.

he needs to go to the bench.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: mihoba on August 20, 2008, 03:43:30 pm
Damn Spaz. First pitch.

Bench his ass, he is worthless at the plate right now.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Reuben on August 20, 2008, 03:45:28 pm
well fuckin' shit. two pitches and Gagne gets out of it, when he must've been feeling really frustrated by all three baserunners. Way to let him off the hook.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: petner on August 20, 2008, 03:46:28 pm
His best plays today seem to be turning a couple of his double play balls into fielder's choices.  Not that time, though.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Reuben on August 20, 2008, 03:47:36 pm
HOLY CRAP.

first damn pitch.

he needs to go to the bench.
Pitchers have been pitching him the same way all damn year. Can he really be that hard-headed that he keeps rolling over on crappy sliders on the outer part of the plate? Or maybe he's rolling over FBs now too.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: matadorph on August 20, 2008, 03:47:39 pm
Terrible AB by Pence. You've got Gagne on the ropes and you swing at the first pitch instead of working the count?
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Twoniner on August 20, 2008, 03:49:37 pm
  It's amazing that Berkman and Tejada can have a perfect idea of what the team needs, dropping down a bunt and faking a HBP to reach base.  And then Pence can just go reaching at the first low slider/split he sees on 0-0 with the bases loaded.   First pitch swinging is one thing.  Swinging at that first pitch with ZERO authority is just fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 03:52:46 pm
Pitchers have been pitching him the same way all damn year. Can he really be that hard-headed that he keeps rolling over on crappy sliders on the outer part of the plate? Or maybe he's rolling over FBs now too.

He doesn't appear to be able to adjust at all.  He hasn't changed his approach at any time since he came up, regardless of where he is in the line up, what inning it is or what the game situation is.  He just hacks at anything he sees coming out of the pitcher's hand.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Reuben on August 20, 2008, 03:54:44 pm
ridiculous strike 1 call to Wigginton.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: BudGirl on August 20, 2008, 03:54:58 pm
HOLY CRAP.

first damn pitch.

he needs to go to the bench.

he's blocked by Bourn.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 03:56:16 pm
Pitchers have been pitching him the same way all damn year. Can he really be that hard-headed that he keeps rolling over on crappy sliders on the outer part of the plate? Or maybe he's rolling over FBs now too.

he is rolling over FBs down the middle. he swings and misses sliders. he pulls off of everything.

terrible hitter
bad OFer

he can run, and all the girls love him.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: BudGirl on August 20, 2008, 03:57:21 pm
he is rolling over FBs down the middle. he pulls off of everything.

terrible hitter
bad OFer

he can run, and all the girls love him.

not all of us!!!  I don't think he's even as cute as Wiggington.

I've been wanting to trade him all season for a pitcher.  I started this week looking for duct tape to attach Backe to him.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 03:58:42 pm
I've been wanting to trade him all season for a pitcher.  I started this week looking for duct tape to attach Backe to him.

You'd never get either of them to sit still for long enough.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 20, 2008, 03:59:09 pm
he is rolling over FBs down the middle. he pulls off of everything.

Seems like this would be something a hitting coach should be able to help him with, or is it?

Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 04:00:55 pm
Seems like this would be something a hitting coach should be able to help him with, or is it?



of course, but pro players rarely listen to anyone. they know it all.

hell, i could help him if he'd listen and then GO FUCKING DO IT.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 04:04:59 pm
Seems like this would be something a hitting coach should be able to help him with, or is it?

If he got all the way to the majors swinging like he's trying to kill snakes with one foot stuck in a gopher hole, why do you think he will suddenly abandon that for whatever his umpteenth hitting coach tells him?
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: OregonStrosFan on August 20, 2008, 04:10:41 pm
If he got all the way to the majors swinging like he's trying to kill snakes with one foot stuck in a gopher hole, why do you think he will suddenly abandon that for whatever his umpteenth hitting coach tells him?

Don't remember his ABs last year (and portions of this year) looking nearly as bad as they have been for the last month or two.  He definitely wasn't pulling off pitches to the level he has been lately.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: austro on August 20, 2008, 04:19:27 pm
Don't remember his ABs last year (and portions of this year) looking nearly as bad as they have been for the last month or two.  He definitely wasn't pulling off pitches to the level he has been lately.

He had one the other night where he swung at a slider that started out low and away and then proceeded to bounce in the dirt before it got to the plate. No matter, he was already hacking away. Strike one.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Lurch on August 20, 2008, 04:42:19 pm
Greg Lucas was quoting Coop as saying after today's game something to the effect of "back in his day" in that situation a player would go to the plate looking for a single pitch in a certain zone, and if it wasn't there he wouldn't swing.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 04:49:28 pm
Don't remember his ABs last year (and portions of this year) looking nearly as bad as they have been for the last month or two.  He definitely wasn't pulling off pitches to the level he has been lately.

He's swinging harder and trying to hack his way out of a hitting slump.  Overall, though, his technique hasn't changed one iota in over a year in the bigs.  I saw him on his debut at MMPUS (I think, or certainly very early) and was shocked at his practice swings.

Because he uses his upper body in isolation, his front foot being planted and his back foot simply trailing, when he swings harder he can only do so if he puts more body into it.  He can't swing any harder with his arms, and he leaves them behind.  This results in the "pulling off" we see, which is the same as "over the top" in golf.  All you can do, once your body is that far ahead, is hit it high right or low left...in either sport.  The big difference is that, in baseball, sometimes those misses are ok.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: JimR on August 20, 2008, 04:49:39 pm
Greg Lucas was quoting Coop as saying after today's game something to the effect of "back in his day" in that situation a player would go to the plate looking for a single pitch in a certain zone, and if it wasn't there he wouldn't swing.

back in my day of coaching HS too. i think Pence has a baseball IQ of 2.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 04:50:31 pm
Greg Lucas was quoting Coop as saying after today's game something to the effect of "back in his day" in that situation a player would go to the plate looking for a single pitch in a certain zone, and if it wasn't there he wouldn't swing.

When did that approach go out of fashion?  (See Kabong, El).
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: DVauthrin on August 20, 2008, 05:57:00 pm
HOLY CRAP.

first damn pitch.

he needs to go to the bench.

what could he have been thinking?   any player knows you make the pitcher come to you in that situation, unless he gets you to two strikes in the count.  you sure don't swing at the first pitch unless it's in your happy zone.
Title: Re: Astros @ Brewers, 20 August 2008
Post by: Limey on August 20, 2008, 06:01:20 pm
what could he have been thinking?   any player knows you make the pitcher come to you in that situation, unless he gets you to two strikes in the count.  you sure don't swing at the first pitch unless it's in your happy zone.

I agree with Jim that Hunter doesn't appear to think about anything.  He 's just churning at full throttle 100% of the time, and never stops to think about the situation he's in.  See door, glass.