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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: OregonStrosFan on August 16, 2008, 06:22:43 pm
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Matsui has been placed on the 15 DL. J.R. House's contract has been purchased from Round Rock. LINK (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080816&content_id=3319478&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou)
Edited to get rid of JdJO link
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ok, i give up. what does "Dainty" mean in the context of Matsui?
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ok, i give up. what does "Dainty" mean in the context of Matsui?
I think he's implying that Matsui is delicate. Or tasty.
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Cooper said he might even send Lance Berkman to the outfield if House's bat catches fire, putting him in at first.
seriously? I understand the need to keep as many productive bats in the lineup at one time, but to displace berkman for house?
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House's bat makes up for his defense.
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House's bat makes up for his defense.
that's cool and all, but to move berkman off 1B to make room for JR House?
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Dude. You must check for sarcasm first.
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Cooper said he might even send Lance Berkman to the outfield if House's bat catches fire, putting him in at first.
seriously? I understand the need to keep as many productive bats in the lineup at one time, but to displace berkman for house?
Displace Pence for House. Berkman stays in the lineup, not Pence.
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Displace Pence for House. Berkman stays in the lineup, not Pence.
how can he not understand that? incredible.
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Displace Pence for House. Berkman stays in the lineup, not Pence.
Or displace Blum, Berkman to LF, Wigginton at 3B. I think Steve's beef might've been with moving Lance off of 1B and into the outfield.
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Displace Pence for House. Berkman stays in the lineup, not Pence.
Not a chance IMO. House would displace Blum in the lineup with Wiggy going back to 3B against lefties, putting Berkman in LF.
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Or we could just shut it down for the season, put up the "closed for business" sign in front of MMP, and open up shop next season to try again.
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Me, I prefer wasting sportswriters' time...
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Or displace Blum, Berkman to LF, Wigginton at 3B. I think Steve's beef might've been with moving Lance off of 1B and into the outfield.
Understood, but Cooper was not talking about displacing Berkman at all with this move. It is Pence who is the one that he's talking about if Berkman is to go to right field where he's played in the past. And really shouldn't that be a larger red flag to latch onto in what Cooper said. I understand about the concern defensively though and to that you just have to think that 1) Berkman has done well enough in RF to warrant no fears in that move and 2) we're talking corner infield and corner outfield positions so Cooper knows he can take a chance if he wants more offense in the lineup.
Why isn't anyone looking at this and thinking "hmmmm... is Cooper saying he would easily replace House's bat for Pence if given a chance?". That's quite a story given how much there is a need (IMHO) to give the youngsters a chance to play (re: Bourn, Pence, et. al.). Looks like Cooper is a veterans type of manager by these sort of moves.
If however, Cooper is wanting to move out Wiggington from left field and move Pence or Berkman there, then you're correct that he's looking at the lack of offense from somebody in the outfield so you have to think who and where. Is it Blum lacking offense at third that is weighing into this situation or Cooper now showing some traits that he's prone to lift youngsters when necessary? In any situation, the idea of Berkman playing a corner outfield position isn't a big deal at all. He can handle it. So is it Pence or Blum (assuming Wiggington's hot bat keeps him in the lineup and Cooper moves him to third)? Pick your poison. But it does mean that House will need an extended looksee if Cooper wants to see if he's swinging a hot bat right now.
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Not a chance IMO. House would displace Blum in the lineup with Wiggy going back to 3B against lefties, putting Berkman in LF.
Both scenarios work, so yes (although why would you platoon Wiggington right now?). I was merely throwing it out there that perhaps Pence will sit. Either way, it's not about Berkman, it's about sitting either Blum or Pence and I'm not so sure Pence has a secure lineup spot as people might think.
Just saying.
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Is it Blum lacking offense at third that is weighing into this situation or Cooper now showing some traits that he's prone to lift youngsters when necessary?
Seems appropriate to point out that Bourn's ass seems firmly stapled to the bench at this point.
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Hunter Pence, August: .203/.261/.406
Coop is increasingly playing matchups, and has all but stated that only Berkman and Tejada are guaranteed of playing every day (although Wigginton should be in that category.)
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Seems appropriate to point out that Bourn's ass seems firmly stapled to the bench at this point.
Which makes no sense to me and why I speculate if Pence could be given some bench duty to clear his head a little. He does seem to be pressing a bit.
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Which makes no sense to me and why I speculate if Pence could be given some bench duty to clear his head a little. He does seem to be pressing a bit.
Nothing about Coop's use of Bourn has made any sense at any point in the season.
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Hunter Pence, August: .203/.261/.406
Coop is increasingly playing matchups, and has all but stated that only Berkman and Tejada are guaranteed of playing every day (although Wigginton should be in that category.)
Yes. 'Tis why I think Cooper would not hesitate to make such a move right now. I don't agree with it any more than I agree with the Bourn move but what do I know? Nothing, that's what. Cooper thinks 90 wins can be achieved and if he does then he's going to put out his best nine guys on the field to try and get those 90 wins. Pence can't be considered untouchable in that frame of mind by Cooper... IMHO.
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Both scenarios work, so yes. I was merely throwing it out there that perhaps Pence will sit. Either way, it's not about Berkman, it's about sitting either Blum or Pence and I'm not so sure Pence has a secure lineup spot as people might think.
Just saying.
I hear you, I'm only assuming Coop would want House in the lineup against lefties, so moving Lance to left and returning Wiggy to third would only 'displace' one player defensively.
I'm well aware of Spaz's shortcomings, but I still don't see him being benched for House, against lefties.
ETA:
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By the way... the Astros have 3 of the bottom 12 players in OBP in the NL (for qualifying AB's). Bourn (.281), Pence (.303), and Tejada (.317).
I knew Pence and Miggy had struggled, but I hadn't really clued in to just how bad it had gotten.
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I hear you, I'm only assuming Coop would want House in the lineup against lefties, so moving Lance to left and returning Wiggy to third would only 'displace' one player defensively.
I'm well aware of Spaz's shortcomings, but I still don't see him being benched for House, against lefties.
ETA:
I took Cooper's remarks to mean if House is swinging a hot bat, he'll get an extended looksee (plus if you move Berkman, don't do it on an as needed basis, move him and leave him there until you're fully convinced how you want to go). I guess I didn't understand this was about House hitting against lefties only. Thanks.
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I took Cooper's remarks to mean if House is swinging a hot bat, he'll get an extended looksee (plus if you move Berkman, don't do it on an as needed basis, move him and leave him there until you're fully convinced how you want to go). I guess I didn't understand this was about House hitting against lefties only. Thanks.
I don't know anything either, Noe. I'm guessing against lefties because Blum has been terrible righthanded. We may find out soon, as in two of the next three games facing Sabathia and Parra.
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Nothing about Coop's use of Bourn anyone has made any sense at any point in the season.
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