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Title: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: MusicMan on March 21, 2008, 08:17:34 am
Rosenthal - Dodgers looking at Loretta? (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7937722/Loretta-could-be-answer-to-Dodgers'-problems-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: Froback on March 21, 2008, 08:38:05 am
To me the part of the article that made the biggest impression on me was this:

Quote
Inge, who lost his everyday job when the Tigers traded for third baseman Miguel Cabrera, says he began to appreciate Cabrera's hitting genius while watching him in a bunting drill.
Inge says Cabrera's eyes would follow the ball to the bat. He would make contact without blinking, squinting or flinching, then follow the ball off the bat as well.

It just underscores a quote from Pence about how he was told by the veterans last year to focus on the little things, because that is often the difference in games.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: S.P. Rodriguez on March 21, 2008, 08:52:09 am
Interesting, what jumped out at me was further down:

"I used to be a guy with eight different stances and eight different hand positions. Now I'm down to one. And it took only one session, one 15-minute deal in the batting cage.

"This is the most consistent 3-4 weeks of an approach I've had in my life."

I'll let you guess who that quote is from....
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: JimR on March 21, 2008, 09:17:45 am
Interesting, what jumped out at me was further down:

"I used to be a guy with eight different stances and eight different hand positions. Now I'm down to one. And it took only one session, one 15-minute deal in the batting cage.

"This is the most consistent 3-4 weeks of an approach I've had in my life."

I'll let you guess who that quote is from....

boy, that's a tough one.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 21, 2008, 09:19:37 am
boy, that's a tough one.

For a clarkie.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: MusicMan on March 21, 2008, 09:21:37 am
Interesting, what jumped out at me was further down:

"I used to be a guy with eight different stances and eight different hand positions. Now I'm down to one. And it took only one session, one 15-minute deal in the batting cage.

"This is the most consistent 3-4 weeks of an approach I've had in my life."

I'll let you guess who that quote is from....

Even more asinine than this was Rosenthal crediting that hitting instructor for "fixing" A-Rod.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 09:23:46 am
Rosenthal - Dodgers looking at Loretta? (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7937722/Loretta-could-be-answer-to-Dodgers'-problems-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=49)

I don't see anywhere in this that the Dodgers are interested, just that Rosenthal thinks he would "fit".
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 09:25:57 am
Interesting, what jumped out at me was further down:

"I used to be a guy with eight different stances and eight different hand positions. Now I'm down to one. And it took only one session, one 15-minute deal in the batting cage.

"This is the most consistent 3-4 weeks of an approach I've had in my life."

I'll let you guess who that quote is from....

You know, the Astros tried to help Ensberg when they first took a chance on him, paired with Everett as their OD left side.  He wouldn't listen, stuck his hands out over the plate and got sent back to the minors pretty quick.   He developed a reputation as someone who was unteachable. 
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 09:30:25 am
General Manager Ned Colletti has had discussions with other teams about available infielders but said he would prefer to explore the options on his own roster before turning to the trade market.

"There may be something from the outside," he said. "Right now no one's piqued our interest."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-dodrep21mar21,1,2836743.story
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: MusicMan on March 21, 2008, 09:35:33 am
Ned Colletti looking first to internal options would be a drastic change from his previous M.O.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 09:40:24 am
Ned Colletti looking first to internal options would be a drastic change from his previous M.O.

I trust Rosenthal's rumors as far as I can comfortably spit a dead rat.  Are the Dodger fans, as are the Astros fans, in constant need of reassurance that the management is in perpetual motion on the trade front?  I can't gauge his statement, is he downplaying a possible move to give himself more time, or can he tell the fans that they're going with what they have?
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: JimR on March 21, 2008, 09:52:38 am
I trust Rosenthal's rumors as far as I can comfortably spit a dead rat.  Are the Dodger fans, as are the Astros fans, in constant need of reassurance that the management is in perpetual motion on the trade front?  I can't gauge his statement, is he downplaying a possible move to give himself more time, or can he tell the fans that they're going with what they have?

he gets his rumors directly from scouts. that does not mean they are accurate, of course.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: Arky Vaughan on March 21, 2008, 10:02:33 am
trade rumor = sportswriter thinks he has identified a team's need + sportswriter thinks he has identified a player on another team who meets need

strong trade rumor = sportswriter thinks he has identified a team's need + sportswriter thinks he has identified a player on another team who meets need + subsequent sportswriter repeats original sportswriter
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: JimR on March 21, 2008, 10:04:53 am
trade rumor = sportswriter thinks he has identified a team's need + sportswriter thinks he has identified a player on another team who meets need

strong trade rumor = sportswriter thinks he has identified a team's need + sportswriter thinks he has identified a player on another team who meets need + subsequent sportswriter repeats original sportswriter

not entirely. the senior scouts are the first line of negotiating trades, and they talk to each other and to guys like Rosenthal, Stark and Gammons. i have been present when each of those three called my friend looking for info.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 10:05:14 am
he gets his rumors directly from scouts. that does not mean they are accurate, of course.

He's the source of the Mclane demands Lidge traded rumor.  As you've detailed, he certainly calls scouts, what he does with the information after that is the question.   I can only judge by how accurately he describes what subsequently happens.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: Arky Vaughan on March 21, 2008, 10:06:29 am
not entirely. the senior scouts are the first line of negotiating trades, and they talk to each other and to guys like Rosenthal, Stark and Gammons. i have been present when each of those three called my friend looking for info.

That must be where the distinction between credible and made-up trade rumors lies.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: JimR on March 21, 2008, 10:07:55 am
He's the source of the Mclane demands Lidge traded rumor.  As you've detailed, he certainly calls scouts, what he does with the information after that is the question.   I can only judge by how accurately he describes what subsequently happens.

i did not mean that scouts are his only sources. we need to remember also that folks sometimes float false rumors to achieve a particular purpose.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 21, 2008, 10:09:43 am
i did not mean that scouts are his only sources. we need to remember also that folks sometimes float false rumors to achieve a particular purpose.

Agreed. They're working the phones with underlings in organizations, even some GM's.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 10:10:41 am
i did not mean that scouts are his only sources. we need to remember also that folks sometimes float false rumors to achieve a particular purpose.

I've been hunting around on Dodger sources.  Torre is backing up Colletti, they aren't interested in trading for a fix for a short term problem.  Loretta's name doesn't come up at all.  And when's the last time he played 3d full time?  Rosenthal's speculation isn't repeated anywhere else.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: JimR on March 21, 2008, 10:41:17 am
I've been hunting around on Dodger sources.  Torre is backing up Colletti, they aren't interested in trading for a fix for a short term problem.  Loretta's name doesn't come up at all.  And when's the last time he played 3d full time?  Rosenthal's speculation isn't repeated anywhere else.

right. putting him in as the answer at 3rd seems very suspect.
Title: Re: Another Loretta rumor
Post by: pravata on March 21, 2008, 11:49:14 am
Tim Brown, a guy with LA connections, writes a whole article about the Dodgers 3b situation, and doesnt mention Loretta once.  He does however mention Ty Wigginton.  Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AqmVo.ecP2SppKLeHfhcD0ARvLYF?slug=ti-third032008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)