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Title: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: pravata on March 11, 2008, 05:16:48 pm
Duarte is reporting "Paulino will undergo additional tests"
Link (http://blogs.chron.com/astrosblog/2008/03/rhp_paulino_to_undergo_further.html) Additional tests are never good.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Noe on March 11, 2008, 05:26:14 pm
Duarte is reporting "Paulino will undergo additional tests"
Link (http://blogs.chron.com/astrosblog/2008/03/rhp_paulino_to_undergo_further.html) Additional tests are never good.

Upper arm, eh?  That is usually related to the elbow ouchy.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: JimR on March 11, 2008, 05:28:38 pm
Bicep, I'm betting
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: MusicMan on March 11, 2008, 05:55:54 pm
Bicep, I'm betting

Better than an elbow.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: VirtualBob on March 11, 2008, 07:32:09 pm
This is the kind of insightful and well-informed reporting we can always expect from the fine folks at BA:

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With a fastball that touches triple digits, Paulino had 110 strikeouts in 112 innings last year with Triple-A Corpus Christi. In a farm system thin on both depth and high-end talent, Paulino ranks as the organization’s top pitching prospect.

I love how they can dis the farm system without even knowing what level the teams play at.  The link (in case anyone cares):  http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=797
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Amy on March 11, 2008, 08:24:40 pm
Upper arm, eh?  That is usually related to the elbow ouchy.

Didn't Patton's shoulder injury first present as upper arm pain?  Either way, I agree it doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Duman on March 12, 2008, 05:08:18 am
Didn't Patton's shoulder injury first present as upper arm pain?  Either way, I agree it doesn't sound good.

Patton's started out as shoulder tightness and tendonitis
Title: Re: Pinched nerve for Paulino
Post by: pravata on March 12, 2008, 10:40:30 am
Duarte on the ball http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/5612923.html
Title: Re: Pinched nerve for Paulino
Post by: Jacksonian on March 12, 2008, 10:49:24 am
Duarte on the ball http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/5612923.html

I love how they use the word "discomfort" in place of "hurts like a motherfucker."

As one who's been rendered nearly immobile by pinched nerves in my lower back and neck I certainly have sympathy for him.
Title: Re: Pinched nerve for Paulino
Post by: Taras Bulba on March 12, 2008, 10:53:57 am
I love how they use the word "discomfort" in place of "hurts like a motherfucker."

As one who's been rendered nearly immobile by pinched nerves in my lower back and neck I certainly have sympathy for him.

Over the years, I've learned that whenever a doctor says "you may experience some slight discomfort," that translates into "you're in for a world of shit."
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: MusicMan on March 12, 2008, 10:56:24 am
Pinched nerve beats the hell out of some alternatives.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Ty in Tampa on March 12, 2008, 11:08:12 am
Pinched nerve beats the hell out of some alternatives.

That's what I was thinking. It'll shut him down for a while but hopefully it won't linger.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: pravata on March 12, 2008, 11:08:48 am
Pinched nerve beats the hell out of some alternatives.

Anal fissures.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 12, 2008, 11:21:45 am
Pinched nerve beats the hell out of some alternatives.

Is it in his shoulder and upper arm? If so, it might be a stenosis (narrowing of the distance between two vertebrae), which causes a pinched nerve as well as cramping. If it is that, it is painful as shit and requires quite a bit of physical therapy.

IIRC, Carlos Hernandez had a stenosis too.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2008, 12:17:06 pm
Is it in his shoulder and upper arm? If so, it might be a stenosis (narrowing of the distance between two vertebrae), which causes a pinched nerve as well as cramping. If it is that, it is painful as shit and requires quite a bit of physical therapy.

IIRC, Carlos Hernandez had a stenosis too.

Upper arm.
Title: Re: Pinched nerve for Paulino
Post by: Noe on March 12, 2008, 12:21:02 pm
I love how they use the word "discomfort" in place of "hurts like a motherfucker."

As one who's been rendered nearly immobile by pinched nerves in my lower back and neck I certainly have sympathy for him.

I remember Wade Miller trying to pitch with a pinch nerve in his neck.  He tried to pitch through the pain and finally had to admit he was hurting.  By that the time they shut him down, he had done some damage to his shoulder by altering his already funky mechanics.  Miller went on to pitch that season, but he was never the same pitcher once he returned, having to ultimately be shut down for good because now his shoulder was barking.

Torn rotator cuff as I remember and the end of his Houston Astros career.

The moral of the story is this: It's hard to admit you're hurting when you're trying to win a job, but you may well damage your career if you don't.  It's a rock and a hard place situation for young pitchers.  Here is hoping they shut him down early enough to keep the problem isolated to his upper arm.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: pravata on March 14, 2008, 10:03:01 am
(Footer) Felipe Paulino is hoping for the best but seemingly has prepared himself for the worst, judging from his estimation of when he may return to the mound.

"Three months," he said Thursday morning. "Maybe four.  They said one month, but I don't think that's right. The next two months I'll probably rest."

"I wouldn't try to persuade him otherwise," Wade said. "... I would prefer a guy want to be cautious and listen to the trainers."
Link (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080313&content_id=2425159&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou)

but about Nieve,

threw a batting practice session on Tuesday but still has a while to go before the club will consider placing him in Round Rock's starting rotation.

"We're just going to try to stretch him out as long as we can before we start the season," Bennett said. "He probably won't be stretched out to more than two or three innings before we leave. Once we get to that point, we'll have to decide whether to leave him in extended [Spring Training] or break with the team." Link (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080312&content_id=2423127&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou)
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: jbm on March 14, 2008, 11:08:13 am
Can someone give a layman's explanation of "a pinched nerve in the triceps."  Is that the area where the nerve is pinched and the pain is felt, or just where the pain is felt, while the nerve is being pinched elsewhere?  If the pinching occurs in the triceps, is it due to muscle inflammation?
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: Mr. Happy on March 14, 2008, 11:24:38 am
Can someone give a layman's explanation of "a pinched nerve in the triceps."  Is that the area where the nerve is pinched and the pain is felt, or just where the pain is felt, while the nerve is being pinched elsewhere?  If the pinching occurs in the triceps, is it due to muscle inflammation?

I'm neither a physician nor play one on television, and I didn't stay at any hotel last night.

However, I do have personal experience with a pinched nerve in my upper throwing arm, albeit my deltoids than my triceps like Paulino. In my situation, the pinched nerve was occurring in vertebrae c5 and c6, not where it was hurting. So it could well be in his spine.

Paulino's indication that it'll take him three months to recover is consistent with my injury, and it took some very serious daily physical therapy (I took to calling the therapists terrorists because it hurt) for four months to recover.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: pravata on March 14, 2008, 11:41:05 am
I'm neither a physician nor play one on television, and I didn't stay at any hotel last night.

However, I do have personal experience with a pinched nerve in my upper throwing arm, albeit my deltoids than my triceps like Paulino. In my situation, the pinched nerve was occurring in vertebrae c5 and c6, not where it was hurting. So it could well be in his spine.

Paulino's indication that it'll take him three months to recover is consistent with my injury, and it took some very serious daily physical therapy (I took to calling the therapists terrorists because it hurt) for four months to recover.

I think what Paulino is saying is that he might be throwing in 2 months and it will take another month or 2 to get back in shape(?)  Even that seems optimistic.
Title: Re: Not good news on Paulino
Post by: otterjb on March 14, 2008, 03:14:48 pm
Well. Fuck-a-Duck.

Paulino was the pitcher I was most looking forward to watch pitch during the first half of the season.