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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: pravata on January 29, 2008, 11:51:31 am
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The Rangers, who ranked 28th of 30 organizations entering the 2007 season, will be ranked fourth in the Feb. 4th issue. The Rangers rank behind Tampa Bay, Boston and Cincinnati.
The Rangers' organization's talent level has made the biggest one-year jump in Baseball America's rankings since the trade publication started doing an annual list in 2001.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/012608dnsporanglede.2cf828b.html
The Astros will be towards, if not at the bottom of those rankings. If the Rangers can improve, so can the Astros.
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It's worth noting, though, that the Rangers' rapid ascent was fueled in large part by a number of upper echelon prospects acquired in last season's trade deadline deals. Teixeira and Gagne netted them prized prospects like Andrus, Beltre, Harrison, and Feliz (not to mention useful young big leaguers like Gabbard and Murphy).
The Rangers are dealing pricey veterans for valuable prospects. The Astros seem to be doing the opposite.
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The Astros will be towards, if not at the bottom of those rankings. If the Rangers can improve, so can the Astros.
The Astros should never have passed on Vince Young.
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The Rangers, who ranked 28th of 30 organizations entering the 2007 season, will be ranked fourth in the Feb. 4th issue. The Rangers rank behind Tampa Bay, Boston and Cincinnati.
The Rangers' organization's talent level has made the biggest one-year jump in Baseball America's rankings since the trade publication started doing an annual list in 2001.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/012608dnsporanglede.2cf828b.html
The Astros will be towards, if not at the bottom of those rankings. If the Rangers can improve, so can the Astros.
Astros will be second to last by BA, behind the White Sox.
Rangers jumped because they added some of good prospects by trade. Of course they sacrificed the short-term for the potential long-term.
Astros could do it. But, they'd have to deal at least one of their best major leaguers.
If Wade nails the first round and supp first round picks this year the Astros could see an almost immediate improvement in the outside perception of their org. I'm hoping for the same kind of success the Astros had from the 04 draft.
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The Astros should never have passed on Vince Young.
Young can't hit a curveball.
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Young can't hit a curveball.
neither can anyone else.
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neither can anyone else.
So much for my crappy attempt at obscure humor.
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Young can't hit a curveball.
Let's not start a holy war here.
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So much for my crappy attempt at obscure humor.
I'm picking up what you're laying down.
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Young can't hit a curveball.
But according to Titans receivers, he throws them all the time.
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But according to Titans receivers, he throws them all the time.
The Venus de Milo has better hands than any Titan WR.
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It's worth noting, though, that the Rangers' rapid ascent was fueled in large part by a number of upper echelon prospects acquired in last season's trade deadline deals. Teixeira and Gagne netted them prized prospects like Andrus, Beltre, Harrison, and Feliz (not to mention useful young big leaguers like Gabbard and Murphy).
The Rangers are dealing pricey veterans for valuable prospects. The Astros seem to be doing the opposite.
Would it be fair to say that the Rangers improved their minor league system at the expense of their major league team, while the Astros did the opposite?
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Would it be fair to say that the Rangers improved their minor league system at the expense of their major league team, while the Astros did the opposite?
Yes for the Rangers. Attempted for the Astros. Astros results are forthcoming. Of course the Rangers have yet to improve the major league club.
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Would it be fair to say that the Rangers improved their minor league system at the expense of their major league team, while the Astros did the opposite?
The Rangers played the market well and got maximum value for Texeria who would have only brought a supplemental pick if they had let the contract play out.
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Would it be fair to say that the Rangers improved their minor league system at the expense of their major league team, while the Astros did the opposite?
Yes, I'd say that's fair. Although, the gamble seems a little more leveraged in the Astros' situation.
The Rangers dealt MLB veterans for two handfuls of strong prospects, but also dealt one of their own top-notch pitching prospects (Volquez) for an immediately impactful MLB OF (Hamilton). If they don't contend for the '08 AL West title, then they've got a load of kids whom they can either audition in the Show or trade for needs.
The Astros, on the other hand, now have a farm system that resembles the Yankees' barren fields. If they don't win now, then the only hope for the foreseeable future is throwing cash at FAs and waiting for the '08 Draft and beyond to yield MLB dividends (by development or trade). Which is a long wait.
I'm not a Rangers fan, but, living in Dallas, I digest a lot of their organizational information (particularly from Jamey Newberg, whose Newberg Report rivals OWA as a source of quality information). Their MLB and farm situations were absolutely deplorable from about '02-'06. In the Show, they had a lineup full of boppers, a pathetic rotation, and a shaky pen. On the farm, they developed almost no homegrown pitching. Sound eerily familiar?
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Yes, I'd say that's fair. Although, the gamble seems a little more leveraged in the Astros' situation.
The Rangers dealt MLB veterans for two handfuls of strong prospects, but also dealt one of their own top-notch pitching prospects (Volquez) for an immediately impactful MLB OF (Hamilton). If they don't contend for the '08 AL West title, then they've got a load of kids whom they can either audition in the Show or trade for needs.
The Astros, on the other hand, now have a farm system that resembles the Yankees' barren fields. If they don't win now, then the only hope for the foreseeable future is throwing cash at FAs and waiting for the '08 Draft and beyond to yield MLB dividends (by development or trade). Which is a long wait.
I'm not a Rangers fan, but, living in Dallas, I digest a lot of their organizational information (particularly from Jamey Newberg, whose Newberg Report rivals OWA as a source of quality information). Their MLB and farm situations were absolutely deplorable from about '02-'06. In the Show, they had a lineup full of boppers, a pathetic rotation, and a shaky pen. On the farm, they developed almost no homegrown pitching. Sound eerily familiar?
Jon Daniels got Hicks to buy into a rebuilding project. McLane ain't buying that.
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Jon Daniels got Hicks to buy into a rebuilding project.
Fixed.
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Jon Daniels got Hicks to buy into a rebuilding project. McLane ain't buying that.
They've already started,
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=104394.0
http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=104207.0
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The Venus de Milo has better hands than any Titan WR.
Yet those hands seem to work fine when Kerry Collins is delivering the ball.
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It's worth noting, though, that the Rangers' rapid ascent was fueled in large part by a number of upper echelon prospects acquired in last season's trade deadline deals. Teixeira and Gagne netted them prized prospects like Andrus, Beltre, Harrison, and Feliz (not to mention useful young big leaguers like Gabbard and Murphy).
The Rangers are dealing pricey veterans for valuable prospects. The Astros seem to be doing the opposite.
The Rangers aren't owned by Drayton McLane. He doesn't know the meaning of the word "rebuilding", but he does know the meaning of the word(s) "sold out stadium".
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I know it sucks having a bottom 2 system but even if our ranking included the prospects we traded away, we'd still be bottom 1/3 of all organizations. We didn't trade away a Cameron Maybin or a Phil Hughes. A lot of rankings look at Patton as nothing more than a potential #4 starter. If Ed Wade starts producing some Rick Smith- quality drafts and not the Casserly-quality drafts of late, the farm will only be bare for a year or two.
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It looks like Mr. Nash did it again. Well thought out and well written...
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogastros/archives/2008/01/whos_where_in_0.html
That was a very good write up.
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It looks like Mr. Nash did it again. Well thought out and well written...
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogastros/archives/2008/01/whos_where_in_0.html
Everybody is gettin into the act! Lets see if the replies are well thought out.
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It looks like Mr. Nash did it again. Well thought out and well written...
http://blogs.chron.com/fanblogastros/archives/2008/01/whos_where_in_0.html
you have a PM.
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Everybody is gettin into the act! Lets see if the replies are well thought out.
Took only 5 hours:
If our minor league system was so grand how come we didnt swing the trade for one of our past minor leaguers in Johan Santana.
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Took only 5 hours:
I am comforted that that forum is an outlet for that type of poster.
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I promise not to go back, but I admit to having my browser open to track the "CSN" responses today. Here is a gem of ambiguity that our fearless pundit slipped in on some unsuspecting poster:
No one can reasonably argue with the points you have made.
Where was this beauty of a response when we needed it the other day? Is it possible to nominate a post on another site for POTWA??