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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: pravata on August 01, 2007, 01:01:09 pm
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The Mariners had a few potential scenarios in play but only came close on one, which Bavasi described as coming down to the final three minutes before the 1 p.m. PDT deadline before the other team decided to stand pat.
Sources later revealed that the deal would have brought former All-Star second baseman Mark Loretta from Houston in exchange for a Class A pitcher and a player to be named later. Loretta, who is batting .294 this season while playing every infield position for the Astros, would have been a right-handed bat off the bench.
list (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/325793_mtrade01.html)
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The Mariners had a few potential scenarios in play but only came close on one, which Bavasi described as coming down to the final three minutes before the 1 p.m. PDT deadline before the other team decided to stand pat.
Sources later revealed that the deal would have brought former All-Star second baseman Mark Loretta from Houston in exchange for a Class A pitcher and a player to be named later. Loretta, who is batting .294 this season while playing every infield position for the Astros, would have been a right-handed bat off the bench.
list (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/325793_mtrade01.html)
Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.
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See what happens when reporters actually... you know, report?
That "deal" is laughable, and Purpura was right to pass on it.
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Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.
"Players that can help now or in the near future."
Unless that A pitcher is the next coming of Doc Gooden, the criteria are not met.
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Without knowing who the Class A pitcher was that Seattle offered for Loretta you can't say for sure, but it sure doesn't sound like all to tempting of an offer.
Does not sound like nor was it.
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Heavens to Nolan Ryan, thank goodness he didn't take that deal. I hate the "player to be named later" stuff.
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"Players that can help now or in the near future."
Unless that A pitcher is the next coming of Doc Gooden, the criteria are not met.
I am not saying that a class A pitcher met what pup was looking for, just saying that the compensation that we would get from Loretta assuming he leaves via FA, sounds better than a Class A pitcher....
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For that to have been even remotely doable, the A guy would have had to been young and highly regarded before the draft and pitched great since it. Good pitchers in A ball are tricky as hell to judge. It's routine to have guys that dominate in A ball and then fall off the face of the earth.
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Heavens to Nolan Ryan, thank goodness he didn't take that deal. I hate the "player to be named later" stuff.
Very often ends up being a cash transaction, when the two clubs can't agree on a player.
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I think we should try to get Ensberg back as the PTBNL. Harry Chiti and Dickie Noles are lonely.
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For that to have been even remotely doable, the A guy would have had to been young and highly regarded before the draft and pitched great since it. Good pitchers in A ball are tricky as hell to judge. It's routine to have guys that dominate in A ball and then fall off the face of the earth.
I don't know much about the M's prospects, but with just a cursory glance Nathan Adcock seems to fit that bill. He's 19. Drafted in 2006. He mastered rookie ball last year and low-A this year. He was recently promoted to high-A. He's the only one I found that would make Purp hesitate before saying no. Unless they have another guy with a major power arm that hasn't translated to the stat sheet yet that's it.
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Sounds kind of like Troy Patton. What would the reaction have been if the Astros had traded Patton for Loretta when he was in high A ball?
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I don't know much about the M's prospects, but with just a cursory glance Nathan Adcock seems to fit that bill. He's 19. Drafted in 2006. He mastered rookie ball last year and low-A this year. He was recently promoted to high-A. He's the only one I found that would make Purp hesitate before saying no. Unless they have another guy with a major power arm that hasn't translated to the stat sheet yet that's it.
Adcock is the only guy I could think of as well. The problem, as Kevwun stated, is that A ball pitchers in particular are damn tough to judge. Still, two Adcock type prospects for Loretta and you've got me listening...
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Sounds kind of like Troy Patton. What would the reaction have been if the Astros had traded Patton for Loretta when he was in high A ball?
The analogous time would have been July of 05. Patton for "a right-handed bat off the bench." The reaction probably would have been Purp got ripped off.
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I agree, so we can't expect the the Seattle GM to do something that we would be pissed at Purpura for if the roles were reversed. I imagine the two teams went around in circles with this deal. Seattle didn't want to give up an AA or AAA prospect because hey, it's Mark Loretta. The Astros didn't want an A ball pitcher because hey, it's Mark Loretta.
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Class A pitching prospects have about the same success rate as baby sea turtles...
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Class A pitching prospects have about the same success rate as baby sea turtles...
exhibit A: Wilfredo Rodriguez.
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exhibit A: Wilfredo Rodriguez.
I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt, etc... Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...
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I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt. Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...
If you gave me a list of seven pitchers like that in any particular decade, and just one of them turned out to be as good as Oswalt, I'd say you've beaten the odds by a long, long way even if the other six turned out to be busts. Put another way, it was far less likely that Oswalt would turn out to be as good as he has been than it was that all seven of those players would be unsuccessful.
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The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.
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The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.
You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...
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You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...
Must............resist...........urge............to...............kill.................L..........i..........m...................e....y.
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You people are forgetting that the Astros also had Johan Santana...
More like blocking it out.
Oh well, I will be needing your drawer now. I think I'll go ahead and wrap the edges in 20 grit sandpaper for extra... uhhh... traction...
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The stems had 3 guys in the 90's that were dubbed Generation K. They were more hyped than Oswalt/Miller/Redding. The only one of them who turned out was Jason Isringhausen and that wasn't until Oakland tried him at closer. Getting Oswalt doesn't seem so bad in comparison.
Bill Pulsipher and Paul Wilson were the other two.
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The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.
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The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.
true--but talking heads dont think about that. they just think somehow Hunsicker saw 2 Cy Young awards in Santana's future.
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The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.
I think you could draw a direct line from that event to the Astros adding Paulino and Gutierrez to the 40-man while still in the lower levels of the minors.
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The Astros lost him because of a stupid MLB rule that punishes teams with good minor league systems. No one had any idea Santana would turn out the way he did when the Astros lost him to rule V. Stupid rule V.
"You've written 'V' which is a number so despite your best efforts you have actually answered correctly. Let's see what you wagered...'Suck it, Trebek'"
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"And... 'Famous Mothers'."
"Ha ha ha! Revenge is mine, Trabek!!"
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"And... 'Famous Mothers'."
"Ha ha ha! Revenge is mine, Trabek!!"
"I'll take 'Anal Bumcover' for $400."
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A ducks walk in to a bar...
I don't remember the punchline, but your mother's a whore.
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"I'll take 'The Rapists' for $400."
"That's 'Therapists', Sean."
"Not a fan of the ladies, are you, Trabek?"
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"i'll take famous titties for $400"
"that's famous titles"
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"I'll take swords for $400"
"That's S-words"
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I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the other late 90's what-if thread... but just think about all the ridiculous pitching talent the Astros had in the pipeline... Rodriguez, Henriquez, Hernandez, Miller, Elarton, Redding, Oswalt, etc... Ok, that Oswalt guy turned out pretty good... but... shitfuck. I think I might need to borrow Limey's chest of drawers for a little while...
It just goes to show you how freakishly lucky the 90's Braves were. Speaking of painful, private things... once Satan finally calls in his marker, John Schuerholz will be walking funny for the next decade or two...
Post of the week candidate...
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Very often ends up being a cash transaction, when the two clubs can't agree on a player.
Yeah, I know, but I still think it sucks. Rather have a player worth trading for. "Suck it, Trebek."