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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: homer on June 16, 2007, 11:51:05 pm
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reverT off the hook for now. I still would like to see Randolph up there.
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reverT off the hook for now. I still would like to see Randolph up there.
i just dont understand why gar keeps using miller. people almost always get on when he pitches. i mean of course you use the lefty matchup thing but how long will it take garner to take off his blinders and see the truth
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i just dont understand why gar keeps using miller.
Because that's his role on the team. Fans will bitch every time he enters the game, but using him less isn't necessarily the answer. If anything, continuing to use him as the team's situational lefty will either help him pitch better or expedite Randolph's return to Houston.
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I think that Randolph and McLemore should both be in Houston.
I wonder how many pitchers have been sent down twice with an era of 0.00?
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I think that Randolph and McLemore should both be in Houston.
I wonder how many pitchers have been sent down twice with an era of 0.00?
Which two pitchers would you send down?
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Which two pitchers would you send down?
It's simple. Miller and Moehler have the highest ERA, so they should be gone. Why can't Garner see that?
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Which two pitchers would you send down?
I don't think that they could send them down. They might have to release them. I would get rid of Moehler and Miller.
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I don't think that they could send them down. They might have to release them. I would get rid of Moehler and Miller.
Based on the performance of Moehler and Miller? Or because Randolph and McLemore are superior pitchers? Or both?
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It's simple. Miller and Moehler have the highest ERA, so they should be gone. Why can't Garner see that?
The GM and the owner probably have a say in it. It might happen in a few weeks. I hope Randolph doesn't lose his good stuff in the meantime.
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I don't think that they could send them down. They might have to release them. I would get rid of Moehler and Miller.
So who replaces Miller as the lefty specialist? Miller's underwhelmed this season, but he does have more experience than both McLemore and Randolph combined. Just sayin.
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The GM and the owner probably have a say in it. It might happen in a few weeks. I hope Randolph doesn't lose his good stuff in the meantime.
My response was a premptive shot at your reponse, dripping with sarcasm.
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Based on the performance of Moehler and Miller? Or because Randolph and McLemore are superior pitchers? Or both?
Both, Randolph has been dominate at AAA. He pitched one inning in Houston and he struck out 3 hitters. McLemore pitched 2 innings, struck out 5, and has an era of 0.00. I don't see how you can send a guy down twice with an era of 0.00. Miller has been bad lately. I would go with the hot hand and see what happens.
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Both, Randolph has been dominate at AAA. He pitched one inning in Houston and he struck out 3 hitters. McLemore pitched 2 innings, struck out 5, and has an era of 0.00. I don't see how you can send a guy down twice with an era of 0.00. Miller has been bad lately. I would go with the hot hand and see what happens.
You do know that Randolph played for Arizona in 2003-4 and was less than spectacular?
Also, which of those two goes into long relief?
Is Miller not allowed to have a slump?
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You do know that Randolph played for Arizona in 2003-4 and was less than spectacular?
Also, which of those two goes into long relief?
Is Miller not allowed to have a slump?
I am going with what Randolph is doing now, not what he did in past seasons. He has great stuff right now. Hopefully, he can keep it going.
Borkowski and White would be the long men.
I think that Miller has had enough opportunities. The league is hitting over .300 against him and his era is sky high over the last 30 days.
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I am going with what Randolph is doing now, not what he did in past seasons. He has great stuff right now. Hopefully, he can keep it going.
Borkowski and White would be the long men.
I think that Miller has had enough opportunities. The league is hitting over .300 against him and his era is sky high over the last 30 days.
broken record. same stuff over and over.
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I am going with what Randolph is doing now, not what he did in past seasons. He has great stuff right now. Hopefully, he can keep it going.
Borkowski and White would be the long men.
I think that Miller has had enough opportunities. The league is hitting over .300 against him and his era is sky high over the last 30 days.
You are allowed to "think" anything you want ... and even say it, for that matter. *But* ... If you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to do a better job of understanding (1) the role of a left-handed relief specialist, and (2) how to evaluate same.
Alternatively, send your resume in to the Astros ... they may be looking for a change of perspective, and yours is certainly a change.
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You are allowed to "think" anything you want ... and even say it, for that matter. *But* ... If you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to do a better job of understanding (1) the role of a left-handed relief specialist, and (2) how to evaluate same.
Alternatively, send your resume in to the Astros ... they may be looking for a change of perspective, and yours is certainly a change.
I would say that a left handed reliever who can strike out hitters and not allow many hits, walks, or runs and who could pitch an inning at a time to right and left handed hitters would be pretty valuable.
What is your evaluation of Trever Miller so far this season?
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I would say that a left handed reliever who can strike out hitters and not allow many hits, walks, or runs and who could pitch an inning at a time to right and left handed hitters would be pretty valuable.
What is your evaluation of Trever Miller so far this season?
be quiet.
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I would say that a left handed reliever who can strike out hitters and not allow many hits, walks, or runs and who could pitch an inning at a time to right and left handed hitters would be pretty valuable.
Then you don't understand the difference between a left handed reliever and a left handed specialist. Miller is a LH specialist.
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Then you don't understand the difference between a left handed reliever and a left handed specialist. Miller is a LH specialist.
I understand it. Isn't a guy who can get both left handers and right handers out more valuable than a specialist?
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I understand it. Isn't a guy who can get both left handers and right handers out more valuable than a specialist?
go away again, please.
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ERA is irrelevant for Miller. He got a huge strikeout this weekend. He has a tough job and has done it more often than not.
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I would say that a left handed reliever who can strike out hitters and not allow many hits, walks, or runs and who could pitch an inning at a time to right and left handed hitters would be pretty valuable.
What is your evaluation of Trever Miller so far this season?
*sigh*, this posting because I have a computer and internet privileges has got to stop! Please!
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ERA is irrelevant for Miller. He got a huge strikeout this weekend. He has a tough job and has done it more often than not.
See: Borbon, Pedro
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I understand it. Isn't a guy who can get both left handers and right handers out more valuable than a specialist?
Specifically, what do you mean by "more valuable"? And what do you think Chad Qualls is to this team? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen... or maybe not because I don't think you understand baseball at all. Not that it is a bad thing, but you're in the wrong forum with this kind of posting. No offense, no harm done, no bad feelings, but you're in the wrong place.
You need to go somewhere else.
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See: Borbon, Pedro
Borbon. Mmmmmmmmmmm.
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13 times this year, reverT has faced one batter. He's retired 9 of those 13. Not great, but not dreadful.
The problems are when Gar tries to use him as a reliever, not a specialist.
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The problems are when Gar tries to use him as a reliever, not a specialist.
Recently, he's been doing a lot less of the former and a lot more of the latter.
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ERA is irrelevant for Miller. He got a huge strikeout this weekend. He has a tough job and has done it more often than not.
Yes he has. He has faced 92 batters and gotten 54 of them out. The other 38 reached base with a hit or a walk.
That being said, he was excellent last year overall (started bad, was fantastic the rest of the season). Let's all hope he returns to form. He has a decent to good track record. Looking at his numbers, his main problem appears to be control. He walked 13 last year in 50 innings. This year he was walked 16 in 18 innings.
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13 times this year, reverT has faced one batter. He's retired 9 of those 13. Not great, but not dreadful.
The problems are when Gar tries to use him as a reliever, not a specialist.
Without looking, I'd imagine those batters were the type that aren't pinch hit for when facing a lefthander. In other words, the good ones.
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Without looking, I'd imagine those batters were the type that aren't pinch hit for when facing a lefthander. In other words, the good ones.
Yes, but if you're going to be a LOOGY, you'd better be prepared to get the good ones out.
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Yes, but if you're going to be a LOOGY, you'd better be prepared to get the good ones out.
Career,
Edmonds 0-7
G.Jenkins 0-5
P.Fielder 1-3
Griffey 1-10
Dunn 1-7
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Yes, but if you're going to be a LOOGY, you'd better be prepared to get the good ones out.
If you are a LOOGY, and you come on to face Bonds, for example, and he gets a single rather than a HR, is that success?
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If you are a LOOGY, and you come on to face Bonds, for example, and he gets a single rather than a HR, is that success?
Yep, in most cases. But, FTR, I'm still in favour of the one-pitch IBB for Bonds.
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Career,
Edmonds 0-7
G.Jenkins 0-5
P.Fielder 1-3
Griffey 1-10
Dunn 1-7
ALL NL Central leftys that you need to get out in critical situations. A lefty specialist also has little room or margin for error. A bloated ERA will happen because of said margin for error. But if a guy has the stuff that will baffle a lefty hitter (because he hides the ball well), he's going to win his fair share of battles. Also take into account that Miller is a proven veteran while McLemore and Randolph are both learning the craft of being lefty "relievers" in the bullpen. Neither McLemore nor Randolph throw side arm nor hide the ball particularily well to a hitter, they come over the top pretty much. Not to say they won't be good relievers, far from it. But if you had a critical situation in the seventh inning, you have two outs and Junior Griffey at the plate, you'd trust a guy like Miller to get him out, regardless of his bloated ERA. Randolph or McLemore may get him out, but a lefty who comes over the top and throws a straight as an arrow fastball (as Randolph does) is one that won't fool a lefty hitter at all. Those types of lefty's depend on making thier pitch to location. Remember Wilfredo Rodriquez and his straight as an arrow fastball to Barry Bonds? Miller will get more swing and a miss types of Ks to leftys because he hides the ball well and his slider just keeps darting away. He throws inside with his fastball enough to setup that nasty pitch to a lefty. Pedro Borbon used to do that a lot and he made very strong hitters like Brian Giles look foolish trying to hit his slider. So nothing against Randolph nor McLemore, both fine lefty relievers, but neither is a real candidate for lefty "specialist". So the question is really whether you need a specialist like that. The answer, of course, is look at the list above.
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//snip// So the question is really whether you need a specialist like that. The answer, of course, is look at the list above.
Another answer might be found in the fact that almost every team in the majors chooses to use a roster spot on a LOOGY. Surprisingly enough, none of them asked me what I "think" about that or whether there was anyone on my favorite minor league team that would be more valuable. Odd, that.
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Specifically, what do you mean by "more valuable"? And what do you think Chad Qualls is to this team? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen... or maybe not because I don't think you understand baseball at all. Not that it is a bad thing, but you're in the wrong forum with this kind of posting. No offense, no harm done, no bad feelings, but you're in the wrong place.
You need to go somewhere else.
I mean more valuable in that Randolph can come in and pitch over an inning. He can get both lefty and righty hitters out. Miller can only pitch to one or 2 hitters at a time and he can't get a righty hitter out to save his life.
I understand baseball enough to know that if Miller keeps pitching like he is pitching and Randolph keeps pitching like he is pitching, there is a good chance that Miller will not be around when Lidge comes back.
Randolph looks like he can do a good job in Houston. We will just have to see what happens.
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I mean more valuable in that Randolph can come in and pitch over an inning. He can get both lefty and righty hitters out. Miller can only pitch to one or 2 hitters at a time and he can't get a righty hitter out to save his life.
I understand baseball enough to know that if Miller keeps pitching like he is pitching and Randolph keeps pitching like he is pitching, there is a good chance that Miller will not be around when Lidge comes back.
Randolph looks like he can do a good job in Houston. We will just have to see what happens.
You are being obtuse. That shit doesn't play around here. Take your lumps and learn something or take a fucking hike.
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My response was a premptive shot at your reponse, dripping with sarcasm.
In have fallen foul of this in the past. Now I have a post-it on my screen that says "Every day is Opposite Day with MikeyBoy".
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I mean more valuable in that Randolph can come in and pitch over an inning. He can get both lefty and righty hitters out. Miller can only pitch to one or 2 hitters at a time and he can't get a righty hitter out to save his life.
I understand baseball enough to know that if Miller keeps pitching like he is pitching and Randolph keeps pitching like he is pitching, there is a good chance that Miller will not be around when Lidge comes back.
Randolph looks like he can do a good job in Houston. We will just have to see what happens.
This is nice and all (and just a repeat of what you *already* said), so now... can you take a stab at answering my questions?