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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: HudsonHawk on June 10, 2007, 09:15:05 pm
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Worst. Episode. Ever.
I can't believe we got totally fucked like that.
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seinfeld-finale bad?
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seinfeld-finale bad?
A million times worse. This makes Seinfeld finale look like....well, whatever was the greatest finale ever. I cannot believe they'd fuck over millions of fans like that. It'll be a cold day in hell before I watch another HBO show.
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It was just a dream?
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It was just a dream?
No, apparantly Meadow has trouble parallel parking. Fucking screwjob of the first order.
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It was pretty much what I expected, but that final scene was awful.
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It was pretty much what I expected, but that final scene was awful.
If I had expected that, I wouldn't have watched their show for 8 fucking years! I swear, I'm never watching HBO again. Those assholes can rot in hell.
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I mean I expected a lack of closure. It's never been Chase's style.
But I did think that HBO had gone off or something and we were missing a climactic final few moments. Lame.
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I mean I expected a lack of closure. It's never been Chase's style.
If his style is to be a total dumbfuck, shitforbrains director, then he fuckin nailed it. Remind me to never watch anything he does again.
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If his style is to be a total dumbfuck, shitforbrains director, then he fuckin nailed it. Remind me to never watch anything he does again.
I didn't think it was that great either, but I really have to ask... What did you expect? It was pretty typical Soprano mind fucking.
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I'm not a fan of the lack of closure, but that last scene was fucking brilliant regardless. I've never been more nervous watching someone parallel park.
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HH is not alone:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/thats-what-we-were-waiting-for-angry-fans-crash-hbo-website/
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I'm probably not the only one who thought the cable cut out again, right?
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I'm probably not the only one who thought the cable cut out again, right?
You are not alone, as TWC's digital signal hiccupped earlier in the program.
Look on the bright side - next week is the finale to VH1's "Celebrity Fit Club" - and apparently Screech gets his ass kicked.
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WFW
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No, apparantly Meadow has trouble parallel parking. Fucking screwjob of the first order.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1q9w1f7pY8
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I didn't think it was that great either, but I really have to ask... What did you expect? It was pretty typical Soprano mind fucking.
I expected the type of episode from the first 6 seasons. I guess I should have known better. The show absolutely turned to mush the last two years.
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I didn't think it was that great either, but I really have to ask... What did you expect? It was pretty typical Soprano mind fucking.
And that's bullshit. The Sopranos was not a cereberal show. It was a very visual, in your face, graphic show. If Chase wanted to lead the audience down the path of "Tony might have got whacked", he did a piss poor job of it. The greatest television show in the last 15 years deserved to end better. Chase is a fucking hack.
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And that's bullshit. The Sopranos was not a cereberal show. It was a very visual, in your face, graphic show. If Chase wanted to lead the audience down the path of "Tony might have got whacked", he did a piss poor job of it. The greatest television show in the last 15 years deserved to end better. Chase is a fucking hack.
We're going to have to agree to disagree but I never felt like it was that graphic. There were some wackings and such but most of the story was about his family and how they deal with the problems of every day life coupled with mafia life. I always thought it was a cerebral show.
Some people will never be happy with this show.
Personally, my two favorite shows on HBO are The Wire and Deadwood but Sopranos was excellent in its own way but it wasn't as violent as some people make it out to be.
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I really liked it. There was no way to neatly wrap The Sopranos up. Instead, it ended as just another day. Life goes on for all the characters, we just don't get to see it.
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Worst. Episode. Ever.
I can't believe we got totally fucked like that.
A few seconds of sheer panic, thinking my cable has crapped out, then a few seconds of "No, they didn't...did they?" Then Mrs Limey and I discussing what a fucking ridiculous ending that was.
The Sopranos jumped the shark. What a terrible legacy for a brilliant show.
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Instead, it ended as just another day. Life goes on for all the characters, we just don't get to see it.
Yep, AP agrees with your take.
"The implication was, they will go on as usual. We just won't be able to watch."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/10/sopranos.finale.ap/index.html
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A few seconds of sheer panic, thinking my cable has crapped out, then a few seconds of "No, they didn't...did they?" Then Mrs Limey and I discussing what a fucking ridiculous ending that was.
The Sopranos jumped the shark. What a terrible legacy for a brilliant show.
I don't think you understand what 'jump the shark' means.
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I don't think you understand what 'jump the shark' means.
I do: it's when a show goes so far off the rails it's beyond redemption. The Sopranos did that last night, with it's final frame, because it went from being a compelling drama to being a 1930's Flash Gordon.
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I do: it's when a show goes so far off the rails it's beyond redemption. The Sopranos did that last night, with it's final frame, because it went from being a compelling drama to being a 1930's Flash Gordon.
Yeah, off the rails but keeps on going for another season or five. Can't jump the shark in the last episode.
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Yeah, off the rails but keeps on going for another season or five. Can't jump the shark in the last episode.
OK, I'm with you. Wrong usage of JTS, but still fucking annoying.
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I'm no Sopranos fan, but I decided to watch last night (given that the Braves and Cubs failed to deliver the fight Alkie promised me).
I laughed. The final shot might as well have been David Chase giving both middle fingers to the camera.
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Yeah, off the rails but keeps on going for another season or five. Can't jump the shark in the last episode.
And there were no Ted McGinley sightings.
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OK, I'm with you. Wrong usage of JTS, but still fucking annoying.
I think the correct usage is Operation Shutdown.
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I also felt that the last scene was perhaps the most tense I have ever been watching a Sopranos episode. I also agree that there was no good way to end the series. Did you really want to see Tony get whacked? Did you really want to see Tony turn?
Life goes on. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't plenty of closure:
AJ finally looks like he's back on "track" so to speak.
Tony accepts Meadow's decision to go to law school when she explains that her decision was based upon the way he was treated.
Uncle Junior probably has alzheimers disease. Tony realizes that he doesn't need to hate Junior anymore and just pities him.
Janice is going to be taken care of financially.
Phil Leotardo is dead and Tony makes peace with Brooklyn.
Paulie looks to be Tony's right hand.
Sil is probably dead. Chris is dead. Bobby is dead.
All in all, I was very satisfied.
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I enjoyed it. The last 5 minutes were so insanely intense, which in itself was funny in retrospect. A few points to those that havent seen them elsewhere:
The ending could be interpretted as Tony (or, by some, the viewers) getting whacked. Bobby and Tony talked about it on the lake... "you wouldn't even know it had happened: everything would just go black"
Side B of Don't Stop Beliving on the jukebox was another Journey "classic", Any Way You Want It
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I have a slightly different view:
AJ finally looks like he's back on "track" so to speak.
AJ is back to denying reality, like the rest of the Soprano clan. All of his pissing and moaning, and all he needed was a new hot girlfriend and a new car.
Tony accepts Meadow's decision to go to law school when she explains that her decision was based upon the way he was treated.
Meadow fucking sold out, like the rest of her family (Carmela especially) for a job that pays $170k. So much for helping the little guy.
Uncle Junior probably has alzheimers disease. Tony realizes that he doesn't need to hate Junior anymore and just pities him.
Tony realizes that being the boss of North Jersey doesn't mean anything, and in the end you die alone in a nursing home and forget where you put the money you worked so hard to earn. Tony sees himself.
Janice is going to be taken care of financially.
Janice is still a shallow, self centered, money grubbing whore.
Phil Leotardo is dead and Tony makes peace with Brooklyn.
Phil is dead, and now everyone can get back to earning... including his own guys. He got on his soapbox about how mistreated he was and how Tony didn't respect the thing. Problem was, this was his own personal crusade and nobody else gave a fuck. Its only about earning. That is why he got whacked.
Paulie looks to be Tony's right hand.
No matter how tough Paulie might appear, he is still a pussy. He bitched and moaned for the entire show about how he never got respect from Tony. Whether is was when Chris was promoted or nobody came to see him in jail. Then, when Tony offers him Capo, he fucking pusses out because the position was cursed. Or whatever insanity he used to justify it.
Sil is probably dead. Chris is dead. Bobby is dead.
Tony doesn't even seem to grieve for these people.
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I got the distinct impression, over these last few shows, that we weren't supposed to like Tony and his family anymore: Tony killed Chris and was deconstructed as a psychological fraud by Dr. Melfi's peers; Carmela blamed Tony's fucked up genes for AJ's pathetic suicide attempt; AJ's pathetic suicide attempt; Meadow hooked up with the son of a made guy.
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I got the distinct impression, over these last few shows, that we weren't supposed to like Tony and his family anymore: Tony killed Chris and was deconstructed as a psychological fraud by Dr. Melfi's peers; Carmela blamed Tony's fucked up genes for AJ's pathetic suicide attempt; AJ's pathetic suicide attempt; Meadow hooked up with the son of a made guy.
They were made to look very ordinary. And everyone wanted to deny their own reality... that is when they are most happy.
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I've heard various commentaries this morning suggesting that Tony did get whacked and hearkening back to his conversation with Bobby in the boat about how (paraphrasing) you probably never see it coming and everything just goes to black.
Edit: Lurch beat me to the punch. I'm thinking that Chase deliberately aimed for the kind ambiguity that is fodder for today's talk shows, water coolers, and message boards.
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Tony bought AJ, just like he bought Carmela with the spec house. The world was a meaningless and horrible place, until AJ got a cool job, a BMW and a new girlfriend. Each of the four family members had a chance to break away, but in the end none of them could part with the lifestyle the mob provided.
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Tony bought AJ, just like he bought Carmela with the spec house. The world was a meaningless and horrible place, until AJ got a cool job, a BMW and a new girlfriend. Each of the four family members had a chance to break away, but in the end none of them could part with the lifestyle the mob provided.
Bingo. And also, Carmela was prodding Tony to get the hostilities sorted out so that she could go home, knowing full well that Tony would have to have at least one person killed for this to happen.
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Tony bought AJ, just like he bought Carmela with the spec house. The world was a meaningless and horrible place, until AJ got a cool job, a BMW and a new girlfriend. Each of the four family members had a chance to break away, but in the end none of them could part with the lifestyle the mob provided.
Does the artist owe anything to the world? To his customers?
Thomas Harris basically gave the world a giant "fuck you" when he wrote Hannibal, turning Clarice into Hannibal's brain eating buddy.
Rock stars all the time attmept to break away what is expected and deliver what they want to (Dylan plugging in is probably the most famous example).
David Chase wanted to end it this way. Without closure and with a lot of lingering questions. Its his show. They are his creations. Does he have a responsibility to the audience?
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Does the artist owe anything to the world? To his customers?
Thomas Harris basically gave the world a giant "fuck you" when he wrote Hannibal, turning Clarice into Hannibal's brain eating buddy.
Harris is nothing but a whore. Hannibal was a really bad book, and Hannibal Rising is probably one of the 10 worst books of all time.
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did Erica ever find happiness?
oops! wrong show.
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Does the artist owe anything to the world? To his customers?
Thomas Harris basically gave the world a giant "fuck you" when he wrote Hannibal, turning Clarice into Hannibal's brain eating buddy.
Rock stars all the time attmept to break away what is expected and deliver what they want to (Dylan plugging in is probably the most famous example).
David Chase wanted to end it this way. Without closure and with a lot of lingering questions. Its his show. They are his creations. Does he have a responsibility to the audience?
That is a damn fine question. The Modern artist would say no.
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I have no problem with the way he ended it. I think he knew that the ending would piss off some people. From some of his interviews, he doesn't understand why some viewers want all the plot lines in the show to be neatly wrapped up. He's specifically mentioned the Russian guy that Paulie and Chris shot in the woods. I could see the ending being a middle finger to the people who wanted a more traditional end to the series.
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Does the artist owe anything to the world? To his customers?
Thomas Harris basically gave the world a giant "fuck you" when he wrote Hannibal, turning Clarice into Hannibal's brain eating buddy.
Rock stars all the time attmept to break away what is expected and deliver what they want to (Dylan plugging in is probably the most famous example).
David Chase wanted to end it this way. Without closure and with a lot of lingering questions. Its his show. They are his creations. Does he have a responsibility to the audience?
Thought the same of McMurtry when he followed "Lonesome Dove" with "Streets of Laredo."
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Thomas Harris basically gave the world a giant "fuck you" when he wrote Hannibal, turning Clarice into Hannibal's brain eating buddy.
...yet he still went back and wrote "Hannibal Rising", either because he wanted to right the perceived wrong of "Hannibal", or simply to cash in on the franchise.
As to whether David Chase owes his audience anything, I'd say probably not. But this negative reaction may cause him problems with his next project - if there is one - especially if HBO subscriptions are truly being cancelled (as has been suggested) in protest and not simply because The Sopranos is now over.
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Thought the same of McMurtry when he followed "Lonesome Dove" with "Streets of Laredo."
"Streets of Laredo" made me think McMurtry was pissed about writing a sequel so he wanted to fuck with whoever read it. You assholes wanted it, now deal with the consequences.
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The more I ponder the more I think I like it. I'm going to go back and re-watch.
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The final shot might as well have been David Chase giving both middle fingers to the camera.
It seems that at some point almost all entertainers come to hate their fans.
Some theories have it that the blackout means that the viewer, not Tony, got whacked. Chase grew tired of the Sopranos fanbase. They'd outlived their usefulness, so Chase puts the proverbial bullet in their heads and shows his true opinion of them when there is no longer money at stake.
The ending was a total "fuck you" move... not by just making an unpopular artistic decision but by doing so in the form of an ugly practical joke. "Wait... WTF?! My cable went out? At the worst moment possible?!" Ha ha. Real funny...
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did Erica ever find happiness?
oops! wrong show.
I think I should nominate you for the stub, or whatever that award is.
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"Streets of Laredo" made me think McMurtry was pissed about writing a sequel so he wanted to fuck with whoever read it. You assholes wanted it, now deal with the consequences.
Possibly. I thought McMurtry was pissed in that he perceived that people liked "Lonesome Dove" for what he considered to be the wrong reasons. Therefore, he set out to properly educate the unwashed in his sequal. He got to cash in while at the same time telling everyone to pack sand. He's a fair writer, but like a lot of writers, a prick.
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Killing off Newt before the book took place and marrying Pea Eye to Lorena scream spite to me. Can you go in to detail on what McMurtry was mad about?
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But this negative reaction may cause him problems with his next project
yeah i doubt that.
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So who was the cat anyway? Big Pussy reincarnated?
My take: horrible way to end it, but up to that point, the last two episodes were the best since Pine Barrens. Any show that can literally make your heart race in at least four different scenes in two shows has done something right.
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Killing off Newt before the book took place and marrying Pea Eye to Lorena scream spite to me. Can you go in to detail on what McMurtry was mad about?
McMurtry is a revisionist and mostly rejects anything good that came out of the Westward Expansion. He was not happy that you or I came away from "Lonesome Dove" with sentimental feelings for Newt or Captain Call. In "Laredo," he casually does away with Newt in a paragraph, but he takes his time in systematically rendering Call into a pathetic cripple. It is entirely his right to have done so, but it also revealed the pompous ass that is Archer City's finest.
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That's interesting. I've done some reading online since I read your post. It seems like "Lonesome Dove" completely backfired on McMurtry. He made the characters much too likable for what he was apparently trying to accomplish.
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Anyone know how long I have to wait until the next season of The Wire?
For those of you who haven't seen it, you don't know what you're missing. The Wire is right up there with Six Feet Under and The Sopranos as three of the greatest TV dramas ever created.
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I thought McMurtry was pissed in that he perceived that people liked "Lonesome Dove" for what he considered to be the wrong reasons.
I thought McMurtry was a scrub pitcher that the rest of the bullpen wouldn't sit by. ???
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I'd say quite a while. Production for the new season only started on April 30th.
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McMurtry is a revisionist and mostly rejects anything good that came out of the Westward Expansion. He was not happy that you or I came away from "Lonesome Dove" with sentimental feelings for Newt or Captain Call. In "Laredo," he casually does away with Newt in a paragraph, but he takes his time in systematically rendering Call into a pathetic cripple. It is entirely his right to have done so, but it also revealed the pompous ass that is Archer City's finest.
Last fall, I went back and read the entire saga, all four books, in story order (i.e., not the order in which McMurtry wrote them). Interestingly, the exercise made me appreciate "Comanche Moon" even more and resent "Streets of Laredo" even less.
So, is this the furtherance of the McMurtry backfire? Or, am I too much of a John Wayne-style jingo to appreciate the alleged contempt in McMurtry's characterization of his protagonists?
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The cat was Adrianna.
Rumor has it, that the DVD of this season, will contain the actual ending that was blacked out.
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I've heard various commentaries this morning suggesting that Tony did get whacked and hearkening back to his conversation with Bobby in the boat about how (paraphrasing) you probably never see it coming and everything just goes to black.
Again, if Chase wanted us to think Tony got whacked, he did an amazingly piss poor job of making you think that. Who would whack him? Phil was dead and Tony made a deal with Phil's underboss. The whole show just plain fucking sucked beyond any recognition. There is not spinning this into a good episode. It was an hour of disjointed and incoherent garbage, plain and simple.
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Any know how long do I have to wait until the next season of The Wire?
For those of you who haven't seen it, you don't know what you're missing. The Wire is right up there with Six Feet Under and The Sopranos as three of the greatest TV dramas ever created.
I think The Wire is a lot better than the others. I never liked Six Feet Under and I stopped watching the Sopranos around Season 4 when nothing happened for the third straight season. Each season of The Wire has been more unique and compelling than anything else on TV.
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Rumor has it, that the DVD of this season, will contain the actual ending that was blacked out.
Got a link for this? Because I don't believe it.
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Got a link for this? Because I don't believe it.
If this is true, it's even worse than I thought. Now Chase is a money grubbing fuckwad in addition to being an idiot television director.
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If this is true, it's even worse than I thought. Now Chase is a money grubbing fuckwad in addition to being an idiot television director.
but how do you really feel about it, HH? don't sugarcoat it.
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None of this conversation makes me regret not watching a single episode of this show.
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None of this conversation makes me regret not watching a single episode of this show.
Watch it on DVD. You won't be disappointed.
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Or better yet, watch it on A&E and familiarize yourself with characters like "Big Pursy" Bompensieri.
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Watch it on DVD. You won't be disappointed.
I've pondered this, and then something else, like sleep, garners my attention, and it's quickly forgotten.
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Watch it on DVD. You won't be disappointed.
apparently this thread says otherwise.
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apparently this thread says otherwise.
Its really fascinating television, better than most of what is on.
HH is just a big baby.
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We're going to have to agree to disagree but I never felt like it was that graphic. There were some wackings and such but most of the story was about his family and how they deal with the problems of every day life coupled with mafia life.
I don't mean graphic as in "violent", I mean graphic as in "visual".
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Its really fascinating television, better than most of what is on.
Up until last night, yes it was. Last night made Gilligan's Island look like Citizen Kane.
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Blockbuster Online was created for these shows on DVD. Its the only way to go to play "catch up". This summer I'll plow through the two 24 seasons I haven't seen and will finish off the last 2 seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm. The British version of The Office is also all queued up.
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Up until last night, yes it was. Last night made Gilligan's Island look like Citizen Kane.
did you mean Erica Kane?
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did you mean Erica Kane?
FWIW, this is the second Susan Lucci reference you've made today...
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FWIW, this is the second Susan Lucci reference you've made today...
are we talking about soap operas in this thread?
Mark's mom lived for that show. i watched it more times than i can count.
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FWIW, this is the second Susan Lucci reference you've made today...
I figured we would need to see about 18 before it was worthy of mention.
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I figured we would need to see about 18 before it was worthy of mention.
well, let's see. 16 more to go....
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Blockbuster Online was created for these shows on DVD. Its the only way to go to play "catch up". This summer I'll plow through the two 24 seasons I haven't seen and will finish off the last 2 seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm. The British version of The Office is also all queued up.
The British office is only 7.5 hours of programming total, so you can knock that one out no problem.
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The British office is only 7.5 hours of programming total, so you can knock that one out no problem.
or just go to www.tv-links.co.uk and watch whatever you want FOC.
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Blockbuster Online was created for these shows on DVD. Its the only way to go to play "catch up". This summer I'll plow through the two 24 seasons I haven't seen and will finish off the last 2 seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm. The British version of The Office is also all queued up.
I'm catching up with the US version of The Office on Netflix. I thought Season 1 was solid and I liked that, while the bulk of the characters are the same, the scripts are entirely new after the first show. I'm half-way through Season Two now, and it's really hitting it's stride. The opening vignettes are incredibly funny - especially those involving Jim and Pam's tormenting of Dwight. The exercise ball and the vending machine are classics.
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well, let's see. 16 more to go....
Thats it, I'm outta here.
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Thats it, I'm outta here.
hey, do you know how much i depend on homer's noticing my posts? i'm on a mission here.
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The British office is only 7.5 hours of programming total, so you can knock that one out no problem.
Two, 6-show seasons and two, hour-long Christmas specials, which were mostly necessary to wrap up the "Jim and Pam" saga which became the biggest thing in the UK since the Taster's Choice couple.
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are we talking about soap operas in this thread?
Mark's mom lived for that show. i watched it more times than i can count.
I was an As The World Turns guy back in college. That was what happened to be on during one of my class breaks. The TV rooms were always packed during the soaps.
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I was an As The World Turns guy back in college. That was what happened to be on during one of my class breaks. The TV rooms were always packed during the soaps.
I have to wade through a sea of secretaries and IKON girls in our breakroom to get my 12 noon soda-pop.
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hey, do you know how much i depend on homer's noticing my posts? i'm on a mission here.
It was a veiled reference to Lucci's inability to win an Emmy until her 19th nomination.
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It was a veiled reference to Lucci's inability to win an Emmy until her 19th nomination.
Probably a bit too subtle for this crowd.
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It was a veiled reference to Lucci's inability to win an Emmy until her 19th nomination.
i figured but had no idea of the number.
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I'm catching up with the US version of The Office on Netflix. I thought Season 1 was solid and I liked that, while the bulk of the characters are the same, the scripts are entirely new after the first show. I'm half-way through Season Two now, and it's really hitting it's stride. The opening vignettes are incredibly funny - especially those involving Jim and Pam's tormenting of Dwight. The exercise ball and the vending machine are classics.
The Cold Open has pretty much been funny every time even through Season 3.
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i figured but had no idea of the number.
Probably a bit too subtle for this crowd.
I hate to explain jokes, I should have just left it alone.
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The Cold Open has pretty much been funny every time even through Season 3.
I don't watch much of The Office regularly...
But I saw an episode the other day where they gave a bird a Viking funeral. It was one of the funniest non-animated things I've seen on TV in a loooong time.
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I was an As The World Turns guy back in college. That was what happened to be on during one of my class breaks. The TV rooms were always packed during the soaps.
when i was first married in the Way Back Days, i was a teacher/coach and had the summers off. Mark's mom was in her last year at UT and watched All My Children religiously. during the summers, because i'm such a good guy, i watched it with her. it took me about two episodes to catch up after missing it during the school year.
Erica was a great villian. i knew, of course, that she had some Emmy trouble but did not know how many nominations she had. All My Children kinda faded away after law school.
it has been amusing to read this thread today. i have not watched The Sopranos, but you guys sound like every soap opera crowd i have ever heard.
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It was a veiled reference to Lucci's inability to win an Emmy until her 19th nomination.
If you know the number, you know too much.
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If you know the number, you know too much.
i had to look up the exact number on pravata's google.
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i had to look up the exact number on pravata's google.
you TOUCHED pravata's google? with gloves on, i hope.
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or just go to www.tv-links.co.uk and watch whatever you want FOC.
Eddie Izzard's "Dressed to Kill (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3466)" should be mandatory viewing.
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Eddie Izzard's "Dressed to Kill (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/3466)" should be mandatory viewing.
I watched Pablo Fransisco's "Ouch" or whatever it's called on there while waiting to go home Friday. Pretty good.
PF does a killer impression of the movie preview guy.
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I don't watch much of The Office regularly...
But I saw an episode the other day where they gave a bird a Viking funeral. It was one of the funniest non-animated things I've seen on TV in a loooong time.
The Office (American Version) = Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells (you pick)
Both Walsh and Parcells won Superbowls but as great as those teams were, each coach has a long legacy of former assistants who have gone on to greatness. From Bill Walsh you can trace George Siefert, Mike Homgren, Steve Mariucchi, Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan and so forth. The Bill Parcells family tree includes Bill Belichek, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, and so forth.
The Office has an incredible staff of writers. Greg Daniels (executive producer and writer/director) penned some of the best Simpsons episodes and also worked on Seinfeld and SNL. Paul Lieberstein (Toby the HR guy) was a writer for King of the Hill. Larry Wilmore (Mr. Black from Season One's Diversity Day) won an Emmy for his work writing for the Bernie Mack Show. BJ Novak (Ryan the temp) wrote Diversity Day, Sexual Harrasment and The Fire (Ryan started the fire...). Mindy Kaling (Kelly Kapoor) wrote The Dundies and The Injury. Michael Schur (Cousin Mose) wrote Office Olympics, the Season 2 Christmas Episode and others. These guys will eventually all be given their own show to produce/write.
Best. Show. on. Television.
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Hannibal Rising is probably one of the 10 worst books of all time.
So you've read 'Armed and Dangerous'?
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The Office (American Version) = Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells (you pick)
Both Walsh and Parcells won Superbowls but as great as those teams were, each coach has a long legacy of former assistants who have gone on to greatness. From Bill Walsh you can trace George Siefert, Mike Homgren, Steve Mariucchi, Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan and so forth. The Bill Parcells family tree includes Bill Belichek, Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, and so forth.
The Office has an incredible staff of writers. Greg Daniels (executive producer and writer/director) penned some of the best Simpsons episodes and also worked on Seinfeld and SNL. Paul Lieberstein (Toby the HR guy) was a writer for King of the Hill. Larry Wilmore (Mr. Black from Season One's Diversity Day) won an Emmy for his work writing for the Bernie Mack Show. BJ Novak (Ryan the temp) wrote Diversity Day, Sexual Harrasment and The Fire (Ryan started the fire...). Mindy Kaling (Kelly Kapoor) wrote The Dundies and The Injury. Michael Schur (Cousin Mose) wrote Office Olympics, the Season 2 Christmas Episode and others. These guys will eventually all be given their own show to produce/write.
Best. Show. on. Television.
I sincerely hope that this is the case, as other than sports I watch almost nothing on TV. I watch My name is Earl, the Office, and Hustle (BBC production on AMC), and that is it. I would love to see more shows that are as funny as the office.
Those episodes you mentionied (minus the dundies which was ok for that show's standard) are among the funniest episodes of any tv show I've ever seen.
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All of your questions will be answered tomorrow (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/sopranos_creator_we_did_what_w_1.html)
After this exclusive interview with the Star-Ledger, agreed to well before the season began, he intends to go into radio silence, letting the work -- especially the controversial final scene -- speak for itself.
And then we can start a new thread about how he didnt answer everything and we'll never pay anything for Chase's future work... that will show em.
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I hate to explain jokes, I should have just left it alone.
Being funny means never having to type "lol".
On a sidebar note, http://www.tv-links.co.uk has me checking out Hugh Laurie's comedic start on Blackadder.
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All of your questions will be answered tomorrow (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/sopranos_creator_we_did_what_w_1.html)
And then we can start a new thread about how he didnt answer everything and we'll never pay anything for Chase's future work... that will show em.
Everyone is focusing on the ending. The ending wasn't the problem. It was the 59 minutes of unadulterated crap that preceeded it. Chase just mailed it in, and he's a cocksucker for doing so.
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On a sidebar note, http://www.tv-links.co.uk has me checking out Hugh Laurie's comedic start on Blackadder.
There's "A Bit of Fry and Laurie" too.
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There's "A Bit of Fry and Laurie" too.
Mystery...
Give Jeeves & Wooster a look, while you're at it. Hoo-rah!
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I sincerely hope that this is the case, as other than sports I watch almost nothing on TV. I watch My name is Earl, the Office, and Hustle (BBC production on AMC), and that is it. I would love to see more shows that are as funny as the office.
Those episodes you mentionied (minus the dundies which was ok for that show's standard) are among the funniest episodes of any tv show I've ever seen.
If you've never seen It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on FX, you are missing out. I really like The Office but I think Always Sunny is funnier. The Gang Gives Back and Charlie Goes America All Over Everybody's Ass are the two funniest episodes of any sitcom I've ever seen.
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Mystery...
Give Jeeves & Wooster a look, while you're at it. Hoo-rah!
Yep. He also had a sort-of cameo as Lord Monty in the "Bambi" episode of "The Young Ones", which is easily the best episode they ever did. Emma Thompson also appeared, as Miss Money-Sterling, long before her work that garnered two Oscars.
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Yep. He also had a sort-of cameo as Lord Monty in the "Bambi" episode of "The Young Ones", which is easily the best episode they ever did. Emma Thompson also appeared, as Miss Money-Sterling, long before her work that garnered two Oscars.
Game-show episode, no? The Young Ones basically sums up my memories of early MTV. Trashy fun weird that seemed foreign to anything else currently on TV at the time.
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Game-show episode, no? The Young Ones basically sums up my memories of early MTV. Trashy fun weird that seemed foreign to anything else currently on TV at the time.
Right. University Challenge - a real show, then hosted by Bamber Gascoigne (which is the origin of the whole "Bambi" thing - basically a bad and excruciatingly stretched pun). The whole episode was flawless. From the argument in the house over the lack of breakfast, the running for the train montage set to Motorhead, the interplay between Rick and Neil on the train (pure genius) and the game show parody...to the ending with everyone being squashed by a giant sticky bun and fed to an elephant (by Robbie Coltrane (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/)).
ETA: Crap! I forgot that this episode also had the laundrette sequence that had the boys tricking a washing machine into accepting their disgusting grundies, but telling it that they had all of Felicity Kendall (http://www.celebrity-zone.com/photos/felicity-kendall-1.jpg)'s underwear.
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All of your questions will be answered tomorrow (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/06/sopranos_creator_we_did_what_w_1.html)
And then we can start a new thread about how he didnt answer everything and we'll never pay anything for Chase's future work... that will show em.
"Read the full story in Tuesday's Star-Ledger."
Anyone have a link to the Tuesday article?
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"Read the full story in Tuesday's Star-Ledger."
Anyone have a link to the Tuesday article?
You won't learn a whole lot. (http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1181623651270570.xml&coll=1)
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Right. University Challenge - a real show, then hosted by Bamber Gascoigne (which is the origin of the whole "Bambi" thing - basically a bad and excruciatingly stretched pun). The whole episode was flawless. From the argument in the house over the lack of breakfast, the running for the train montage set to Motorhead, the interplay between Rick and Neil on the train (pure genius) and the game show parody...to the ending with everyone being squashed by a giant sticky bun and fed to an elephant (by Robbie Coltrane (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/)).
ETA: Crap! I forgot that this episode also had the laundrette sequence that had the boys tricking a washing machine into accepting their disgusting grundies, but telling it that they had all of Felicity Kendall (http://www.celebrity-zone.com/photos/felicity-kendall-1.jpg)'s underwear.
Indeed, classic! So many good quips in that show. "There's no chance of using your toilet, is there? " "No!" "I thought not. That's why I pissed in your garden." The entire montage with the giand sandwich, and Rick playing with the woman's little cotton "mouse", heh.
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FWIW, HBO seems to think that Tony is actually dead
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html
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FWIW, HBO seems to think that Tony is actually dead
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/06/15/television.sopranos.reut/index.html
Except his premise is flawed. Turns out Bobby never actually made a comment about everything going black.
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/final_opinion_made_in_america.html
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"Tony" says he dont know nothin. Riiiight, which he should say if he knows what's good for him, link (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i8dd038cdff79097b11cd2b3b387f1df4)
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"Even some great songs just fade out like the last episode of 'The Sopranos.' "
- Steven Van Zandt
I'm sure he's right about that. "Layla" is one that comes to mind. But I think almost all great songs need a great opening and a great finish. One of my favourite song openings of all time (not praising the song any higher than that), is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May": two drum beats and we're off!
I think The Cure would have a stranglehold on my top [insert number here] best song openings and closings. It's a real motif in their music.
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"Even some great songs just fade out like the last episode of 'The Sopranos.' "
- Steven Van Zandt
I'm sure he's right about that. "Layla" is one that comes to mind. But I think almost all great songs need a great opening and a great finish. One of my favourite song openings of all time (not praising the song any higher than that), is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May": two drum beats and we're off!
I think The Cure would have a stranglehold on my top [insert number here] best song openings and closings. It's a real motif in their music.
"Robert Smith kicks ass."
- Eric Cartman
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"Even some great songs just fade out like the last episode of 'The Sopranos.' "
- Steven Van Zandt
I'm sure he's right about that. "Layla" is one that comes to mind. But I think almost all great songs need a great opening and a great finish. One of my favourite song openings of all time (not praising the song any higher than that), is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May": two drum beats and we're off!
I think The Cure would have a stranglehold on my top [insert number here] best song openings and closings. It's a real motif in their music.
Van Zandt would know. Whenever the subject of great beginnings comes up, I think of Springsteen's "Hungry Heart". A quick little succession of drum beats and Bam!, the thing takes off already in 5th gear. One of the better Springsteen songs, IMO. It is also helped along greatly by having Flo & Eddie in the background.
For The Cure, I'm thinking "The Kiss".
And re: The Young Ones, the guy who played Neil, Nigel something-or-other, turned up later as a police inspector in one of the BBC dramatizations of Sherlock Holmes. It was one of the ones with Charles Gray (who was terrific) as Mycroft. I think maybe The Golden Pince-Nez.
Another great aspect of The Young Ones were the blurbs about each episode in The Radio Times. Some of which are still available here (http://www.tv.com/show/3911/summary.html&full_summary=1) (in the notes section of the individual episode summaries.)
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For The Cure, I'm thinking "The Kiss".
I'm thinking "Inbetween Days" as a classic example of Cure song construction: strong but unusually extended intro; verse; chorus; verse; chorus; unusually truncated ending. Genius.
And re: The Young Ones, the guy who played Neil, Nigel something-or-other, turned up later as a police inspector in one of the BBC dramatizations of Sherlock Holmes. It was one of the ones with Charles Gray (who was terrific) as Mycroft. I think maybe The Golden Pince-Nez.
Nigel Planer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0686539/). He also narrated the updated version of "Magic Roundabout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout)", which I adored as a kid and have spent too much of my adult life trying to figure out which drug each character represented.
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4 drumbeats: "Resign yourself that's radio's gonna stay... Reason, It could polish up the grey."
And on the other end of the spectrum... I absolutely love the slow open to Where the Streets Have No Name.
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I've always been fond of the opening of "Back Door Love Affair" by ZZ Top. Real white trash stuff.
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"Back Door Love Affair"
NTTAWWT.
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I've always been fond of the opening of "Back Door Love Affair" by ZZ Top. Real white trash stuff.
"Back In Black" has to be in there. Speaking of drum-based intros, strictly, I favor a couple of relatively obscure 1970's cuts -- "Rock Candy" by Montrose, and the Bob Welch-era Fleetwood Mac's "Hypnotized".
Best song opening ever is "Gimme Shelter", though. Don't even get me started about that.
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Best song opening ever is "Gimme Shelter", though. Don't even get me started about that.
The RAC (think posh AAA) in the UK used the intro for "Gimme Shelter" as the backing track to an ad featuring their "Knights of the Road" motorcycle response team coming to the rescue of a stranded mother and childrens on a dark and stormy night. It's probably on YouTube somewhere, and it was a brilliant commercial.
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And on the opposite end of the intro spectrum (i.e., long and wandering, but wonderful anyway), we've got the intro to "Sweet Jane" off of "Rock 'n Roll Animal".
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The RAC (think posh AAA) in the UK used the intro for "Gimme Shelter" as the backing track to an ad featuring their "Knights of the Road" motorcycle response team coming to the rescue of a stranded mother and childrens on a dark and stormy night. It's probably on YouTube somewhere, and it was a brilliant commercial.
Couldn't find it, though I seem to recall the American Red Cross doing something very similar to your description awhile back. They probably copied from the RAC.
Anyway, while looking for it, I found this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P0NG4wcxEg), which is pretty fucking cool.
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One of my favourite song openings of all time (not praising the song any higher than that), is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May": two drum beats and we're off!
I'm partial to the beginning of True Blue, the opening song on the great Never a Dull Moment album - just ONE snare beat and we're off!
I liked the way the series ended, by the way. Life just carries on, banal as always, etc. I thought it was perfect, actually. Anyone who feels jilted enough to cancel their HBO subscription is in my view a) a complete philistine and b) crazy as hell because you're going to miss the final season of The Wire, which is in my not too terribly humble opinion the best television series in history.
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I've always been a fan of the visceral, percussive opening, a la "Kashmir" or "When the Levee Breaks."
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I've always been a fan of the visceral, percussive opening, a la "Kashmir" or "When the Levee Breaks."
Hot for Teacher.
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Like half the country, I too watched the "final" episode on Sunday night. My intial reaction (like so many others) was WTF?!?!?
Last night, I has a bit of insomnia and happened to catch a replay of the episode. I decided that it wasn't so bad. Mysterious guy head toward the bathroom, which Tony notices. A couple of gangsta types at the jukebox. Meadow enters the restaurant, Tony looks up and the screen goes black. I like the many possilbe endings this creates. Does the mysterious guy come out of the bathroom blasting the whole family? Do the gangsta's get him? Or is it just an ordinary family dinner with life going on?
If there are plans for a movie, this was the perfect ending.
If "the real ending" or worse yet there are several alternate endings on DVD then I withdraw my comments and go into full agreement that Chase is a money grubbing cocksucker.
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The mention of "cocksucker" just reminded me of something...
"John from Cincinnati": They cancelled "Deadwood" for that piece of shit?!!!!
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On the other hand, "Flight of the Conchords" gave me a few chuckles.
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On the other hand, "Flight of the Conchords" gave me a few chuckles.
Me too.
"I'm not cryin', it's just rainin'
...on my face"
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On the other hand, "Flight of the Conchords" gave me a few chuckles.
Caught this tonight... some great bits! Will be interesting to see how much material they have to make it a series.
Binary Solo...
Part-time Model...
Pawning a cake...
Mel, the Fan Base...
Aquarium mis understanding...
If nothing else, this will generate a lot of new one-liners ala Arrested Development
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"That's true... I do talk about a lot of really hot women."