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General Discussion => Talk Zone => Topic started by: Alkie on March 31, 2007, 03:02:07 pm
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When do they have to be set?
Does it look like we're skipping the #5 this week with the off day?
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Purp said the roster will be set after game tonight.
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Eric Bruntlett is doing his best to make this a difficult decision for Garner and Purpura.
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Purpura just announced the moves:
Optioned to RR: Nieve, Albers, Munson, Bruntlett
Purchased contracts of Moehler and White
Wandy is the fourth starter
Sampson wins the fifth spot in the rotation
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Ok, this is a real question...
Why the hell is/has Wandy been the unquestioned #4? Why isn't Sampson the 4 and Wandy the 5?
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Purpura just announced the moves:
Optioned to RR: Nieve, Albers, Munson, Bruntlett
Purchased contracts of Moehler and White
Wandy is the fourth starter
Sampson wins the fifth spot in the rotation
Anyone got the final depth chart for each position?
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Ok, this is a real question...
Why the hell is/has Wandy been the unquestioned #4? Why isn't Sampson the 4 and Wandy the 5?
Or why isn't Sampson #4, Moehler #5, and Wandy on a bus?
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Wow, and Footer had Nieve as 5 and Sampson in the pen.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070327&content_id=1862474&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
This seems a bit surprising.
To answer Alkie Footer says in the same article:
As the only left-handed starter, Rodriguez's past record -- 19 wins in two seasons -- gave him the edge. Whether he can keep his starting spot remains to be seen.
Maybe they feel safer with what they know......for now. (or maybe he has incriminating photos of Purp).
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I respectfully disagree. Rodriguez doesn't make the club in my opinion because he can't throw strikes, and when he does, it is BP. Nieve is my fifth starter. I also take Munson over Q.
Purpura just announced the moves:
Optioned to RR: Nieve, Albers, Munson, Bruntlett
Purchased contracts of Moehler and White
Wandy is the fourth starter
Sampson wins the fifth spot in the rotation
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Or why isn't Sampson #4, Moehler #5, and Wandy on a bus?
That's a much better idea.
I honestly don't get why Wandy is still in discussions about the Astros rotation other than "remember when..."
Wandy has pretty well proven he is not a major league pitcher.
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Purp's comments were mostly limited to what cuts were made and what roles those guys will have in Round Rock. He went out of his way to compliment the Crimson Chin and said that optioning him was a tough pill to swallow, but that the front office doesn't feel comfortable going with eleven pitchers. One idiot fuckoff called in to ask why "Rafael" Palmeiro is still on the club and Purpura politely explained to him the value of a true pinch-hitter. Moehler and White will fill the long relief roles, along with Sampson in the short term until he finally gets his first start.
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I respectfully disagree. Rodriguez doesn't make the club in my opinion because he can't throw strikes, and when he does, it is BP. Nieve is my fifth starter. I also take Munson over Q.
Wandy threw a lot of strikes today and did a good job avoiding the typical middle-inning Wandy meltdown.
Why Moehler and not Nieve?
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Wandy threw a lot of strikes today and did a good job avoiding the typical middle-inning Wandy meltdown.
Why Moehler and not Nieve?
I'd agree with that too. Wandy throws shit. If he wasn't left-handed. he'd be pitching in the denial league.
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So why exactly is Nieve not on the team?
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That's a good question.
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I'd agree with that too. Wandy throws shit. If he wasn't left-handed. he'd be pitching in the denial league.
but without him we would be unlefthanded right. and there are a lot of basball people who subscucribe to the thought you have to have a lefty. even a bad one for the match ups
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Well sheeeiiiiiiiiit, isn't Jason Lane a lefty?
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I also take Munson over Q.
I sounds like much of Q over M is due strictly to business In Munson's case, contract status has a lot to do with why he probably won't make the team. As a non-roster invitee, the club can send him to the Minor Leagues without risking losing him. Quintero is out of options, so if the Astros wanted to send him to Round Rock, he'd have to first pass through waivers.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070325&content_id=1858919&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
and it sounds like they can't afford to lose any catchers. Purp picked up Danny Ardoin so that there would actually be a backup at AAA.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070327&content_id=1861584&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou
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You go north with your best 25. Wandy is not among them. I don't care whether he pitches left-handed or between his legs.
but without him we would be unlefthanded right. and there are a lot of basball people who subscucribe to the thought you have to have a lefty. even a bad one for the match ups
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You go north with your best 25. Wandy is not among them. I don't care whether he pitches left-handed or between his legs.
From the Chron:
After six solid (innings) Saturday afternoon, Rodriguez sat at his locker and pondered his future. He had arrived at spring training as the favorite for the fourth spot in the rotation, but he pitched just poorly enough over his previous two outings to give Garner reason for concern.
Well, I feel better, don't you?
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Prediction: Wandy is back in Round Rock by the first week of May and Nieve takes his spot.
Can't wait to see him pitch to the Cards on April 6th..."Good" Friday indeed :'(.
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Purpura just announced the moves:
Optioned to RR: Nieve, Albers, Munson, Bruntlett
Purchased contracts of Moehler and White
Wandy is the fourth starter
Sampson wins the fifth spot in the rotation
Moehler in the pen. Not bad in a really small sample size last year. Came out of the pen 8 times in August. Averaged over 2 innings each time out with a 2.45 ERA. He's always been a starter otherwise.
This could be a good move here.
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Nieve probably went down to stay stretched out as a starter. Just a hunch but Wandy may not have as long a leash as he has in the past.
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Nieve probably went down to stay stretched out as a starter. Just a hunch but Wandy may not have as long a leash as he has in the past.
Yeah that thought crossed my mind. Let's hope Wandy gets a really, really short leash and makes the most of it.
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I'd agree with that too. Wandy throws shit. If he wasn't left-handed. he'd be pitching in the denial league.
isn't MRaup a lefty? Who was it that had the signature line something like "I'm left handed.... Can I pitch on the big league team?"
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isn't MRaup a lefty? Who was it that had the signature line something like "I'm left handed.... Can I pitch on the big league team?"
Indeed I am a lefty. And the good news is, just like Russ Springer a few years ago, I've been playing softball to stay in shape until the big club comes calling!
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Alyson weights in on todays news (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070331&content_id=1872694&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou).
Bruntlett
"I was hoping somebody else would have wanted me," Bruntlett said. "I guess not. I'll go to Round Rock and go from there."
Sampson
"I'm kind of at a loss for words right now," he said. "I'm very excited, very thankful. What really stood out in my mind is I had the horrible start against the Nationals," Sampson said, referring to his March 22 outing during which he allowed 10 runs over 2 1/2 innings. "The very next start I go out and give up only one run in five innings. I bounced right back. I showed them I can get knocked down, and I can get right back up, and I can go after it again."
Moehler
"I'm more happy that I have a chance to play for a team that has a chance to go to the playoffs," he said. "I've never experienced that. All I care about is getting to the playoffs."
Albers
"There's just not room for me right now," he said. "I did decently well in Spring Training. I feel good about going into the season at Triple-A. I'll just try to go out there and pitch well, keep learning and get better so when I come up here I can come back a little more comfortable and fit right back in."
Wandy
"I had to do well because I had two bad outings. I think I was making Garner crazy."
And Scrap Iron
"This was a difficult day," Garner said. "But I'm not the guy that has to go down. We huddle, we make decisions and the good news is they were tough decisions. That means guys played well, guys did their jobs. In all of our cases here, we like our personnel. We like our pitchers that we sent out, I love Bruntlett and Munson and it's not fun to have to do this. But it's what needed to be done."
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"We were watching Wandy pretty closely," Purpura said. "Had he scuffled today that would have changed our minds."
Wow, so it was this close.
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Wow, so it was this close.
If only he had scuffled. :'(
Oh well, he'll be on a tight leash as it is. Probably not quite as tight as Lidge's, but tight nonetheless.
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"We were watching Wandy pretty closely," Purpura said. "Had he scuffled today that would have changed our minds."
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Really? A single ST start against one of the worst teams in baseball is what was used to effectively make this decision. It wasn't the horrible starts over the last two years, the fact that he was basically handed the #4 job going into ST and still sucked? Doesn't anybody remember the sinking feeling that you'd feel when Wandy was brought into a game?
How in God's name did Wandy make this squad and Nieve not?
Holy crap.
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I agree with you guys.. but at the same time I think he'll have a very short leash, so its not like we'll be at midseason with him at 2-10, with a 6.50 ERA, and still on the roster.
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Sampson
"I showed them I can get knocked down, and I can get right back up, and I can go after it again.""
Somebody queue up Chumbawamba.
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Can't wait to see him pitch to the Cards on April 6th..."Good" Friday indeed :'(.
And since St. Louis goes tomorrow night, LaRussa will skip both his 4th and 5th starter and throw Chris Carpenter against Wandy.
Carpenter will start 3 games before most 4th starters have 2.
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Wandy's WHIP of 1.92 and OBA of .405 in the spring is much more telling than his 4.58 ERA. I say that he gets five starts tops.
I agree with you guys.. but at the same time I think he'll have a very short leash, so its not like we'll be at midseason with him at 2-10, with a 6.50 ERA, and still on the roster.
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Wandy's WHIP of 1.92 and OBA of .405 in the spring is much more telling than his 4.58 ERA. I say that he gets five starts tops.
If his spring numbers are any indication, my hope is he will only get one start.
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And that one is more start for me. I hope that I'm wrong about Wandy, but I see Bruce Chen.
If his spring numbers are any indication, my hope is he will only get one start.
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I'm sad for bruntlet but selfishly I'm real happy he cleared waivers,,,he's an astro through and through and we will need him this year...id almost reather have him in center than burke
nieve got screwed;;;
I'm so psyched tho....PLAY BALL!!
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I hadn't realized Wandy's WHIP was so high, wow... I want to retract my previous statement. Hopefully his leash is very, very short... like one of those leashes parents used in the 80s and 90s for little kids.
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I expect to see a little more shock at Bruntlett clearing waivers ...
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nieve got screwed;;;
BS. he went to RR to pitch in the rotation until the Astros need him. that is better for him.
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I can see the wisdom of Nieve getting dome stretch out work at RR. I suspect that Wandy is on a very short leash. We can't afford to get down again early on-lightning only strikes twice.
BS. he went to RR to pitch in the rotation until the Astros need him. that is better for him.
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BS. he went to RR to pitch in the rotation until the Astros need him. that is better for him.
And season ticket holders of the Round Rock Express. Jackie Moore has quite a team this season.
Pence
M. Rodriguez
Anderson
Munson
Bruntlett
Conrad
Nieve
Albers
J. Gutierrez
McLemore
Barthmeier
Paulino
Paauuul Estrada
Dayum.
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I expect to see a little more shock at Bruntlett clearing waivers ...
I'm surprised. But I'm still looking for the reason. I know that speculating the other 29 GMs weren't aware of his skills and he slipped through unnoticed is complete bs. My best guess at this point is that most teams are satisfied with how their utility players fit in the specific scheme they have.
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I absolutely love Moehler's attitude, and it's been that way since day one he was offered an NRI. Dude just wants to contribute anyway he can to a winning club, and pitch in October. I was rooting for him all through spring, and hope he continues to impress all the way through October.
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Pence
M. Rodriguez
Anderson
Munson
Bruntlett
Conrad
Nieve
Albers
J. Gutierrez
McLemore
Barthmeier
Paulino
Paauuul Estrada
Dayum.
As of yesterday, Todd Self was also with Round Rock. He had a homer and a double against Corpus Saturday afternoon. Looks like Round Rock will be pretty solid this season!
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And season ticket holders of the Round Rock Express. Jackie Moore has quite a team this season.
Pence
M. Rodriguez
Anderson
Munson
Bruntlett
Conrad
Nieve
Albers
J. Gutierrez
McLemore
Barthmeier
Paulino
Paauuul Estrada
Dayum.
Neither Barthmaier nor Paulino will be with Round Rock.
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I hadn't realized Wandy's WHIP was so high, wow... I want to retract my previous statement. Hopefully his leash is very, very short... like one of those leashes parents used in the 80s and 90s for little kids.
I was at the game Saturday. The first inning was an absolute mess, but doesn't look like it in the box score (thank God for Adam Everett and the Royals' collective love of towering infield popups). The rest of the game was ... below average, but not terrible. Still, I left thinking Wandy had just lost his job. Oops.
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Neither Barthmaier nor Paulino will be with Round Rock.
Ah, the domino effect of too many good players and not enough roster spots? If so, it's a good problem to have.
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I honestly don't get why Wandy is still in discussions about the Astros rotation other than "remember when..."
I "remember when" I wrote this about Wandy:
He wins when he gets run support (and doesn't give up 8 runs in 1.1 innings on a Friday night when Limey's taken his visiting family to see a game and has front row seats and ends up watching a fucked up game and has to explain why baseball isn't normally like this and why the fuck couldn't Rodriguez' herpes have flared up that night so that Sampson could've started the game at 0-0 and not down 8-0 and fuck!!!!).
I would like to have no more memories of this useless, lying (DAS) tosser.
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Ah, the domino effect of too many good players and not enough roster spots? If so, it's a good problem to have.
More like Barthmaier and Paulino have never seen an inning above high-A. They'll start the season at AA Corpus.
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Why does the transactions page say they were optioned to AAA Round Rock and not Salem or Corpus?
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Why does the transactions page say they were optioned to AAA Round Rock and not Salem or Corpus?
Because during ST it doesn't matter; it's just a way of sending them to the minor league camp. The actual assignments are happening right now and in some cases won't be final until Wednesday.
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I saw where the Rangers DFA on Zeke Astacio. That was quick.
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Because during ST it doesn't matter; it's just a way of sending them to the minor league camp. The actual assignments are happening right now and in some cases won't be final until Wednesday.
What's up with Paulino's arm?
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What's up with Paulino's arm?
Specify.
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Specify.
I didn't want to derail the thread so I posted the link in the minors discussion forum.
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I didn't want to derail the thread so I posted the link in the minors discussion forum.
Don't worry, Noe's dying to split a thread.