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In order to keep separate pre- and draft/post-draft threads, the '2015 Draftees and Status' thread is now open (conversely, the '2015 Draft thread (http://www.orangewhoopass.com/forums/index.php?topic=116963.0)’ is now closed)...
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Thanks OSF. Good to see you round here.
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Thanks OSF. Good to see you round here.
Seconded.
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Holy crap, I forgot Selig retired. We'll see if this guy can pronounce Los Angeles correctly.
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Thanks OSF. Good to see you round here.
Ditto
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Holy crap, I forgot Selig retired. We'll see if this guy can pronounce Los Angeles correctly.
Well he butchered Andre Dawson's name, so that's a good start.
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Well he butchered Andre Dawson's name, so that's a good start.
And "amateur."
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And "amateur."
The u is silent
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Thanks OSF. Good to see you round here.
Thanks! (FWIW, my somewhat 'missing in action' status around the boards as of late can generally be attributed to being otherwise preoccupied bwith preparing for Baby Boy OSF's ETA on 8/1/15... ).
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Swanson
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Thanks! (FWIW, my somewhat 'missing in action' status around the boards as of late can generally be attributed to being otherwise preoccupied bwith preparing for Baby Boy OSF's ETA on 8/1/15... ).
Congrats!! Bind that right arm.
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Thanks! (FWIW, my somewhat 'missing in action' status around the boards as of late can generally be attributed to being otherwise preoccupied bwith preparing for Baby Boy OSF's ETA on 8/1/15... ).
Congrats!
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I'm calling Rodgers. But then I'm clueless.
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Think I read somewhere that teams in the 1st round can take between 3.5-4.5 mins to make their pick this year, anyone know about that?
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I'm calling Rodgers.
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But then I'm clueless.
+1
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Bregman, I'm cool with that.
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so far the experts are nailing it
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Meh, seems like a wasted pick at #2. I hope I have to eat crow over it though.
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If he hits as expected he'll be a very fast riser. They'll likely have to figure out what to do with him relatively quickly.
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Meh, seems like a wasted pick at #2. I hope I have to eat crow over it though.
Don't love the pick either. Hopefully he hits and everything goes well. Would love to be wrong
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Is he going to sign under slot?
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Personally I think this is a talent/money saving deal.
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I would assume Bregman could move to OF?
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Man, everyone hates Bregman. He must suck.
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I would assume Bregman could move to OF?
I don't think you make that assumption yet.
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Personally I think this is a talent/money saving deal.
Probably. Probably got him for a few million under to allow them flexibility later. Hopefully, the Rangers don't interfere with any plans they may have.
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I would assume Bregman could move to OF?
I guess he could, but that would reduce his value. I mean, I don't think anyone views him as a slugger, and he isn't playing center.
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Not in love with it, either. That said, I don't think there's anyone else significantly better than Bregman.
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Heyman tweets the Astros would have selected Swanson if he were there...if that matters to any of you.
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Rangers go Tate. If Twins don't grab Daz, Astros' odds of him falling to #37 go wayyyyyy up.
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So, who gets popped at 1/5?
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So, who gets popped at 1/5?
Benintendi.
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So, who gets popped at 1/5?
Benintendi, according to the script.
maybe Tucker or Fulmer, though.
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Tucker!
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Tucker! All in the Family.
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Saving cash for #37
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Cameron to Twins, says JJ Cooper.
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Jay.
Wonder if there was some last-minute haggling with Boras/Cameron that didn't go well. Cooper seemed positive.
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Man, everyone hates Bregman. He must suck.
Ironically, this is what gives me hope. That the herd (and this includes me) is oblivious.
Hey, we got the next Ted Williams. Sweet!
Ps. Know nothing about Tucker, but seems like a good pick.
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And, judging from the promo, I sort of like his low energy demeanor.
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Jay.
Wonder if there was some last-minute haggling with Boras/Cameron that didn't go well. Cooper seemed positive.
If that's the case, sounds like he'll be there at 37. Then again, there are some crazy teams out there. But fingers are crossed.
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Benintendi to the Red Sox. He's an interesting guy, for sure. Runs kinda funny.
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I don't get the Bregman hate? He's a very good hitter and doesn't strikeout. He's also a good athlete. 36 walks and just 21 strikeouts. Exactly the kind of hitter this lineup could use in the future. Nothing wrong with a college career slash of .334/.407/.514.
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I don't get the Bregman hate? He's a very good hitter and doesn't strikeout. He's also a good athlete. 36 walks and just 21 strikeouts. Exactly the kind of hitter this lineup could use in the future. Nothing wrong with a college career slash of .334/.407/.514.
He seems to be regarded as a potential high OBP guy who's hard to strike out. Sounds great to me.
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Low strikeouts don't fit on this team.
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OK, time to watch Correa now.
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I don't get the Bregman hate? He's a very good hitter and doesn't strikeout. He's also a good athlete. 36 walks and just 21 strikeouts. Exactly the kind of hitter this lineup could use in the future. Nothing wrong with a college career slash of .334/.407/.514.
Very good hitter? I think that is the debate. Not sure we can say that with certainty. And there are probably a ton of guys with that slash line in college.
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I don't get the Bregman hate? He's a very good hitter and doesn't strikeout. He's also a good athlete. 36 walks and just 21 strikeouts. Exactly the kind of hitter this lineup could use in the future. Nothing wrong with a college career slash of .334/.407/.514.
It's not hate. It's just a lack of excitement. Personally, I prefer guys that are getting better year over year.
2015 - 312/406/534
2014 - 316/397/455
2013 - 369/417/546
He's worthy of a top 10 pick. Just seems more like a money savings pick at 2 though. He'd likely have been there at 5
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Luhnow seems to do well with Boras. Really like Daz at #37 now. Especially with the savings at 2
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I like the Tucker pick, primarily because he's purported to be better than big bro who I've really enjoyed watch hit this season. Plus, a little sibling rivalry is always a good thing -- like the Uptons in Atlanta. . . Right?
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It's not hate. It's just a lack of excitement. Personally, I prefer guys that are getting better year over year.
2015 - 312/406/534
2014 - 316/397/455
2013 - 369/417/546
He's worthy of a top 10 pick. Just seems more like a money savings pick at 2 though. He'd likely have been there at 5
Doubt it. All indications were that the Rangers were on him at 4.
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I like the Tucker pick, primarily because he's purported to be better than big bro who I've really enjoyed watch hit this season. Plus, a little sibling rivalry is always a good thing -- like the Uptons in Atlanta. . . Right?
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Worked better for the Waners.
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I like the Tucker pick, primarily because he's purported to be better than big bro who I've really enjoyed watch hit this season. Plus, a little sibling rivalry is always a good thing -- like the Uptons in Atlanta. . . Right?
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You shut your damn mouth.
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Doubt it. All indications were that the Rangers were on him at 4.
Interesting, so Tate and Bregman are now tied to the Rangers Rivalry
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Luhnow seems less than enthusiastic in the presser.
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Luhnow seems less than enthusiastic in the presser.
Waiting for #37 maybe. Likely have the 5 million available. Daz would give them 3 top 10 players
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I would love to see them grab Bregman's teammate Andrew Stevenson at some point. If you don't know who he is, just look for YouTube videos of his catches.
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Waiting for #37 maybe. Likely have the 5 million available. Daz would give them 3 top 10 players
Yep. Breg/Daz/Tucker were 4/5/8 on BA's ranking.
Slight chance Braves take Cameron? They do have multiple earlyish picks, but finding $5m would require punting some.
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Waiting for #37 maybe. Likely have the 5 million available. Daz would give them 3 top 10 players
Legal to tell Boras that Daz has 5 million waiting for him at #37 if he avoids getting drafted?
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Braves taking Allard according to BA's Teddy Cahill.........
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Legal to tell Boras Daz has 5 million waiting for him at #37 if he avoids getting drafted?
No but I'm sure they have an "understanding".
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If we make it past the Braves ...
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If we make it past the Braves ...
Done. Braves take Allard, from my in-laws' 'hood, San Clemente, CA.
Have they done an on-air interview with Bregman or Tucker tonight? (not that they are typically very revealing...)
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This is looking more and more like a predraft deal by Luhnow. Let's go for three top 10 guys by overpaying for one at 37.
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Game is underway, FYI.
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This is looking more and more like a predraft deal by Luhnow. Let's go for three top 10 guys by overpaying for one at 37.
It would be a pretty good haul to say the least. I wonder who they'd go for at 46.
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It would be a pretty good haul to say the least. I wonder who they'd go for at 46.
Five bucks says a college player.
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It would be a pretty good haul to say the least. I wonder who they'd go for at 46.
True BPA.
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True BPA.
Or what if Matuella or Kirby make it to #37, can you swing the money for all 4 guys?
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Aiken to the Indians. Their problem now.
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Bregman, Tucker and Daz would be 4, 5, and 8 on BA's list
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Bregman, Tucker and Daz would be 4, 5, and 8 on BA's list
4,5, and 7 on mlb.com's list
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Martin from Florida by the A's. Surprises me. Thanks Nate for the heads up on him. Got to see him and it's always nice to get a gauge on this things.
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So is it the case that basically none of the teams currently on the board have the money to give Cameron what he wants without fucking up their pool?
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That's the scuttlebutt.
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Interesting that funkhouser and buehler are both still available. My uninformed hope is that they land Daz.
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Will they get to #37 tonight, or is that a tomorrow thing?
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Interesting that funkhouser and buehler are both still available. My uninformed hope is that they land Daz.
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Honestly more of an expectation than hope at this point
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Interesting that funkhouser and buehler are both still available. My uninformed hope is that they land Daz.
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Any of those 3 I'd be pretty happy with.
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Will they get to #37 tonight, or is that a tomorrow thing?
I believe they do everything short of the 2nd round
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Will they get to #37 tonight, or is that a tomorrow thing?
First 75 picks today I believe
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Will they get to #37 tonight, or is that a tomorrow thing?
A tonight thing. First two rounds.
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Oh cool, we get to see 4 picks then
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Oh cool, we get to see 4 picks then
Have a hard time figuring the math for Adding Metualla to the Bregman, Tucker and Daz group.
If Bregman agreed to 4.5 that gets you an extra 3
which Daz will take at #37
Leaves you whatever you can save on Tucker plus 850k and the money for the second pick. Not sure that is enough,
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Have a hard time figuring the math for Adding Metualla to the Bregman, Tucker and Daz group.
If Bregman agreed to 4.5 that gets you an extra 3
which Daz will take at #37
Leaves you whatever you can save on Tucker plus 850k and the money for the second pick. Not sure that is enough,
Everybody will want to take a discount in order to play with the developing juggernaut.
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Everybody will want to take a discount in order to play with the developing juggernaut.
You'd have to take Matuella at 37 because he won't slip by the D-Backs to 46
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Have a hard time figuring the math for Adding Metualla to the Bregman, Tucker and Daz group.
If Bregman agreed to 4.5 that gets you an extra 3
which Daz will take at #37
Leaves you whatever you can save on Tucker plus 850k and the money for the second pick. Not sure that is enough,
How much can they go over slot?
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How much can they go over slot?
approx 850,000
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approx 850,000
Could they offer more and take a penalty? Just curious.
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They could, but they won't, or at least I can't imagine they would. Penalty is a loss of pick(s).
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You'd guess either Kirby or Matuella is available at 37. At this point though, I imagine you don't risk the DBacks trying to make Daz happy and just snag him at 37
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Funkhouser still there as well
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Yankees were a possible Matuella destination, see where they go
.. keeps dropping
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Funkhouser, Matuella and Kirby. Assuming Daz at 37, one of those other guys might fall to 46. Do they have the cash?
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Yankees were a possible Matuella destination, see where they go
.. keeps dropping
John Manuel said Yanks were avoiding injured pitchers.
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You'd guess either Kirby or Matuella is available at 37. At this point though, I imagine you don't risk the DBacks trying to make Daz happy and just snag him at 37
Swanson won't be a big discount for them at 1/1 Maybe $7m?. How could they afford to give Daz $5m at #43?
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Dodgers get Funky.
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Swanson won't be a big discount for them at 1/1 Maybe $7m?. How could they afford to give Daz $5m at #43?
I thought Swanson's asking price was 5.5-6?
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I thought Swanson's asking price was 5.5-6?
Oh, I hadn't seen anything, but was guessing with the Astros likely to take him at #2, D-backs wouldn't have much leverage. Slot was what, $8.5m?
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On the clock
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On the clock
I like your Matuella/Daz theory, btw. THAT would really be something, although Matuella was kinda fragile even before the TJS.
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And it's Daz.
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Daz is official
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We got daz
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This might be another 2012.
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Awesome.
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We got daz
that's dazzling
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Luhnow was the best hire.
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Lovely. Really nice to feel like the farm system is reloading when the team is in 1st and only just bringing up the creme de la creme of the prospects
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Lovely. Really nice to feel like the farm system is reloading when the team is in 1st and only just bringing up the creme de la creme of the prospects
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Enjoy. This won't happen again.
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Kirby off the board, still Matuella
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Luhnow doin work
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Kirby off the board, still Matuella
Good chance the D-Backs take him
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Enjoy. This won't happen again.
That's the plan. Let's hope not.
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I can't believe how nervous I was that Cameron was going to get drafted under the Astros' noses.
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Pleading ignorance, but why did Cameron drop down from where he was projected to start the year? I'm aware of the contract demands.
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Rockies take a RHP from San Dimas HS and all I can think is that their football team rules.
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on the clock again
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Rockies take a RHP from San Dimas HS and all I can think is that their football team rules.
He's going to have an excellent adventure.
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Eshelman
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#46 is Thomas Eshelman
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Why is it when I see Ryan Dempster I honestly think of Dumpster??
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Callis and Manuel gushing over his command, giving him a 70, though the pitches themselves lack behind that.
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Callis and Manuel gushing over his command, giving him a 70, though the pitches themselves lack behind that.
Yes and he's pitching next with one day's rest.
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Yes and he's pitching next with one day's rest.
Yep, Cooper and Law going bananas over this right before Astros announced pick. Guy threw 100 pitches 2 days ago; previous start he threw 143.
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Matuella falling like a rock.
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I watched this guy pitch on Saturday. He looked like he had a bunch of average pitches with good command. There could be hope with slight improvements in one or more of his arsenal.
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I watched this guy pitch on Saturday. He looked like he had a bunch of average pitches with good command. There could be hope with slight improvements in one or more of his arsenal.
If the pitches have movement and he can hit his spots he'll be successful.
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6 walks in 114 IP is damned impressive. If he can develop a strikeout pitch, or just become another groundball bot, he'll be fun.
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We will get to see him again as Fullerton is representing the great expanse west of the Rockies.
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If Metuella is available tomorrow do the Astros take him? Has he fallen enough to be cheap?
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If the pitches have movement and he can hit his spots he'll be successful.
Saarloos? Or does he throw harder?
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Eshelman threw 6 pitches tonight.
Nobody likes to see a kid throwing 143 pitches in a game, but apart from that game he averaged 105 pitches in each of his weekly starts this season.
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Saarloos? Or does he throw harder?
Harder. Saarloos was around 87, IIRC. Eshelman throws 89-91 and topping out at 92-93.
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Heading into day #2, some interesting college bats still on the board: LF/1B David Thompson of Miami, OF Gio Brusa of U of Pacific, OF Joe McCarthy of UVa, OF Harrison Bader of the Gators and INF Mark Mathias of Cal Poly. Nice balance of power and plate discipline with Thompson though he's defensively limited. Same can be said for senior 1B Kyle Martin of South Carolina.
College pitchers of note still out there (in addition to Matuella) include Mac Marshall, David Hill of USD, TCU's Mitchell Traver and Aggie Grayson Long. Also closers Riley Ferrell of TCU, Brandon Koch of DBU and Ryan Burr of ASU.
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Luhnow was the best hire.
He and Elias are certainly fantastic at gaming the system. Maneuvering pieces expertly to land 3 top 10 picks. Took Bregman a little high, Tucker a little high and floated to Boras that 5 million awaits Daz at #37. Think I'd have liked Fulmer or Benintendi over Bregman but still a fantastic haul.
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I think we'll have to wait until next season to see how good they are. When you have the most picks and the most available money, its easier being good.
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Aiken to the Indians. Their problem now.
Assuming he signs for slot, he'll have given up over $2.6MM compared to the $5MM on the table last year.
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Have to wait a lot longer than that. Players develop in such strange ways.
It will never happen, but I would love to hear the debate that goes on behind closed doors. On the way home, I was listening to MLB and the two guys were debating players, Fulmer in this case. One liked him a lot and felt he was the top collegiate arm, while the other felt he was a bullpen arm and a team shouldn't go for a pen arm in round one. I assume this type of debate is the norm within all organizations. A tough business.
And just think how hard it is to actually predict these guys, even once they make it to MLB. Take Springer for example, I bet, even after a full year and at age 24 or 25, opinions are still quite divergent. Or McCullers, would he have been a top ten pick if he was in the draft last year? Maybe, maybe not. But this year, he might well have been 1-1. The draft seems to have numerous college players who were thought only to be late round quality coming out of high school, but are now first round picks.
Anyways, a long winded way of pointing out the obvious: it's way too early to say anything but "let's hope they stay healthy and succeed."
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Assuming he signs for slot, he'll have given up over $2.6MM compared to the $5MM on the table last year.
I'm assuming that Close gave Aiken sufficient CYA concerning the $5,000,000 bird in the hand. If he didn't, then the difference between that figure and what he ultimately signs for will be the quantum of the malpractice claim. Surely, Close is too good to have gotten himself into such a pickle.
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I'm assuming that Close gave Aiken sufficient CYA concerning the $5,000,000 bird in the hand. If he didn't, then the difference between that figure and what he ultimately signs for will be the quantum of the malpractice claim. Surely, Close is too good to have gotten himself into such a pickle.
From what I read, Aiken and his family were at peace with him not joining the Astros organization the night before the deadline. In the end money was less to do with it.
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I find that hard to believe. More likely, they expected to stay healthy and get more than 5 million.
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I find that hard to believe. More likely, they expected to stay healthy and get more than 5 million.
I don't know, the Astros were the bearer of bad news. Kind of like when the mechanic tells you your car needs 600 dollars in repairs when that is all you wanted was an inspection. The car may truly need those repairs but your gut instantly wants to question it.
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From what I read, Aiken and his family were at peace with him not joining the Astros organization the night before the deadline. In the end money was less to do with it.
That stand on principle cost him dearly in principal. I strongly suspect that he thought that he could get more money the next year.
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That stand on principle cost him dearly in principal. I strongly suspect that he thought that he could get more money the next year.
Hey sometimes the mechanic was right and now you are out 1200 bucks instead of 600
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Of course if he heals up nicely and makes 100 million in his lifetime, I imagine he'll be quite happy with his decision
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I'm assuming that Close gave Aiken sufficient CYA concerning the $5,000,000 bird in the hand. If he didn't, then the difference between that figure and what he ultimately signs for will be the quantum of the malpractice claim. Surely, Close is too good to have gotten himself into such a pickle.
This assumes that sports agents have a standard of care or a duty to their clients.
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This assumes that sports agents have a standard of care or a duty to their clients.
You raise an interesting question, Counselor. I had supposed that Close was a lawyer. Still, lawyer or not, advising a kid not to take $5,000,000 under the circumstances surely would have been negligence. Is he still using Close?
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I also wonder what kind of insurance policy they purchased before he started playing and what kind of payout he got when he was injured.
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You raise an interesting question, Counselor. I had supposed that Close was a lawyer. Still, lawyer or not, advising a kid not to take $5,000,000 under the circumstances surely would have been negligence. Is he still using Close?
Aiken is still with Close. Nix fired* him earlier this year.
*to the degree that an advisor—who has no contract with the draftee, and offers counsel purely out of the goodness of his own heart—can be fired
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Aiken is still with Close. Nix fired* him earlier this year.
*to the degree that an advisor—who has no contract with the draftee, and offers counsel purely out of the goodness of his own heart—can be fired
Nix did himself no favors. Arizona's first pick today is 801k. 15 picks later he'll be at the value the Astros offered him last year. Now he did muster a 6 figure settlement but he also lost a year (which if he makes it to the majors could be worth millions)
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If Metuella is available tomorrow do the Astros take him? Has he fallen enough to be cheap?
He doesn't have a ton of leverage. He won't be ready to pitch next year. No idea what his asking price is.
Difficult to tell how much extra money if any the Astros have left. Their second round pick is a 765k slot. Bregman and Eshelman are under slot. Tucker is likely a little under slot, and Daz is way over. 850k wiggle room if the top picks sign.
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Nix did himself no favors. Arizona's first pick today is 801k. 15 picks later he'll be at the value the Astros offered him last year.
The Astros offered him $1.5MM.
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The Astros offered him $1.5MM.
He means what the Astros offered him at the end, without Aiken's extra slot money. Something like $600k; about what they could've spent without losing future picks, only tax money.
Of course, some team could give him over-slot money this year, too. We shall see.
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Interview w/ Matuella. (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article23406816.html) Seems like he's considering going back to Duke for another year.
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By the way, for those who say the Astros "reached" on Bregman: I have no opinion of him, but he was ranked #4 or so on BA and/or MLB.com lists. Perhaps you can quibble with HOU for not taking Rodgers, but after that, it seems like the next 5-10 guys (Tucker included) had very little separation between them. We'll probably never know if the Astros genuinely think Bregman is a better player than Rodgers, or if they just decided they had to compromise in order to get Cameron at 37. But it's not like they passed on multiple clear-cut superior players in order to take a guy who clearly wasn't in the same league.
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By the way, for those who say the Astros "reached" on Bregman: I have no opinion of him, but he was ranked #4 or so on BA and/or MLB.com lists. Perhaps you can quibble with HOU for not taking Rodgers, but after that, it seems like the next 5-10 guys (Tucker included) had very little separation between them. We'll probably never know if the Astros genuinely think Bregman is a better player than Rodgers, or if they just decided they had to compromise in order to get Cameron at 37. But it's not like they passed on multiple clear-cut superior players in order to take a guy who clearly wasn't in the same league.
Who said reached?
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Underway. Arizona did not take any mentioned in this thread.
Edit:
Rockies also stayed away from this list:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-draft-best-remaining-prospects-day-two/
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Rangers took Matuella
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Who said reached?
Maybe no one "said" that word specifically. Many here seem to think as much.
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#79 Riley Ferrell TCU closer
What I wrote in the other draft thread: the Horned Frogs closer and former A&M Consolidated HSer with the mid to high 90s FB has struck out 45 in 28 IP this year while walking 18 and allowing 10 hits. Was even better as a sophomore when he had a 70/14 strikeout to walk ratio in 45 innings. Listed at 6’1” 200 lbs. Never drafted.
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Astros take Riley Ferrell. relief pitcher. Mid 90s stuff
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Astros take Riley Ferrell. relief pitcher. Mid 90s stuff
I would think a RP with an arm like that could get to the show pretty quick.
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Padres take Nix at #86.
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Bregman, Eshelman and Ferrell all on view in CWS this weekend.
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Lot of guys from BA's interesting day 2 player list still available after round 3:
1. Donny Everett, rhp, Clarksville (Tenn.) HS (No. 21)
Everett might be the hardest-throwing prep pitcher in this year’s class. He’s committed to Vanderbilt, so if he is not picked early on Tuesday, he may end up getting to campus.
3. Dakota Chalmers, rhp, North Forsyth HS, Cumming, Ga. (No. 34)
Chalmers is oozing with projection, and scouts can dream on him as a potential middle-of-the-rotation arm. He is committed to Georgia.
6. Justin Hooper, lhp, De La Salle HS, Concord, Calif. (No. 39)
Hooper’s ceiling is as high as any prospect in the class. He battled some issues with consistency this spring, but he’s a 6-foot-7 lefthander with elite fastball velocity. Hooper is committed to UCLA.
7. Demi Orimoloye, of, St. Matthew HS, Orleans, Ontario, Canada (No. 41)
A dynamic athlete with a high ceiling both offensively and defensively, Orimoloye could be an early pick on Tuesday. He is committed to Oregon.
8. David Hill, rhp, San Diego (No. 44)
Hill asserted himself as one of the most polished pitchers in the college class this spring. His stuff isn’t explosive, but he can pitch in the low 90s and has feel for three average pitches.
9. Joe McCarthy, of, Virginia (No. 46)
McCarthy might have been in line to go earlier in the draft if not for a back injury that sidelined him for most of the season. He has been slow to return, but has shown progress in Virginia’s postseason run to the College World Series.
10. Kyle Molnar, rhp, Aliso Niguel HS, Aliso Viejo, Calif. (No. 53)
Molnar has battled issues with consistency, but he has the potential for three average or better pitches. Molnar is committed to UCLA.
and Mac Marshall
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4th round.
Astros take Anthony Hermelyn. Catcher
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Twinkies and Cabbage. Yum.
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Chalmers got popped at #97 by Oakland.
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Chalmers got popped at #97 by Oakland.
Thanks. Missed that one
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The guys who are still around from my earlier post:
Heading into day #2, some interesting college bats still on the board: LF/1B David Thompson of Miami, OF Gio Brusa of U of Pacific, OF Joe McCarthy of UVa, OF Harrison Bader of the Gators and INF Mark Mathias of Cal Poly. Nice balance of power and plate discipline with Thompson though he's defensively limited. Same can be said for senior 1B Kyle Martin of South Carolina.
College pitchers of note still out there (in addition to Matuella) include Mac Marshall, David Hill of USD, TCU's Mitchell Traver and Aggie Grayson Long. Also closers Riley Ferrell of TCU, Brandon Koch of DBU and Ryan Burr of ASU.
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Twinkies and Cabbage. Yum.
Excited for him. If he get's out of the GCL, and makes it to the Appy, he will play most of his games within 2 1/2 hours of home.
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Mac Marshall to the Giants. #126 slot value: $443,800
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4th round.
Astros take Anthony Hermelyn. Catcher
Anyone have any thoughts, or knowledge of this guy?
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After 4, the remaining from BA's list:
1. Donny Everett, rhp, Clarksville (Tenn.) HS (No. 21)
Everett might be the hardest-throwing prep pitcher in this year’s class. He’s committed to Vanderbilt, so if he is not picked early on Tuesday, he may end up getting to campus.
6. Justin Hooper, lhp, De La Salle HS, Concord, Calif. (No. 39)
Hooper’s ceiling is as high as any prospect in the class. He battled some issues with consistency this spring, but he’s a 6-foot-7 lefthander with elite fastball velocity. Hooper is committed to UCLA.
9. Joe McCarthy, of, Virginia (No. 46)
McCarthy might have been in line to go earlier in the draft if not for a back injury that sidelined him for most of the season. He has been slow to return, but has shown progress in Virginia’s postseason run to the College World Series.
10. Kyle Molnar, rhp, Aliso Niguel HS, Aliso Viejo, Calif. (No. 53)
Molnar has battled issues with consistency, but he has the potential for three average or better pitches. Molnar is committed to UCLA.
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5th round
Astros take Trent Thorton right handed pitcher
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I would assume Bregman could move to OF?
My wild ass prediction is that by 2018 he'll be the Astros starting 3b.
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My wild ass prediction is that by 2018 he'll be the Astros starting 3b.
Really? I'd figure that if someone's moving to 3B, it'd be Correa. I guess we'll have to see how Bregman's glove and arm look.
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Anyone have any thoughts, or knowledge of this guy? (4th rounder Hermelyn)
Got good reviews for his framing and play calling in the cape cod league last summer. His offensive stats have improved every year at OU with a power surge this season.
Season AVG GP GS AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SLG BB HBP SO OBP SB CS FLD%
2013 .275 59 51 178 18 49 6 0 0 26 .309 23 2 29 .356 2 1 .989
2014 .289 54 54 211 24 61 7 1 2 28 .360 15 3 29 .339 1 1 .982
2015 .321 61 61 243 27 78 12 1 6 49 .453 15 2 21 .360 3 2 .979
TOTAL .297 174 166 632 69 188 25 2 8 103 .381 53 7 79 .352 6 4 .983
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Really? I'd figure that if someone's moving to 3B, it'd be Correa. I guess we'll have to see how Bregman's glove and arm look.
I'm thinking there will be deference to the stud. Besides if you're talking minutia defensively then you go with the guy who's already there.
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Anyone have any thoughts, or knowledge of this guy?
Didn't see him on the BA top 500. Looks like they'll save some cash on that pick.
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I'm thinking there will be deference to the stud. Besides if you're talking minutia defensively then you go with the guy who's already there.
Does Bregman have nearly enough arm to make the throw Correa made last night?
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Does Bregman have nearly enough arm to make the throw Correa made last night?
Yes.
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Didn't see him on the BA top 500. Looks like they'll save some cash on that pick.
Only if he signs. He is a junior so he could go back to school
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After 5, just 3 left on BAs list. (won't bother to post it again):
1. Donny Everett, rhp, Clarksville (Tenn.) HS (No. 21)
Everett might be the hardest-throwing prep pitcher in this year’s class. He’s committed to Vanderbilt, so if he is not picked early on Tuesday, he may end up getting to campus.
6. Justin Hooper, lhp, De La Salle HS, Concord, Calif. (No. 39)
Hooper’s ceiling is as high as any prospect in the class. He battled some issues with consistency this spring, but he’s a 6-foot-7 lefthander with elite fastball velocity. Hooper is committed to UCLA.
10. Kyle Molnar, rhp, Aliso Niguel HS, Aliso Viejo, Calif. (No. 53)
Molnar has battled issues with consistency, but he has the potential for three average or better pitches. Molnar is committed to UCLA.
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round 6:
Muriel, Nestor Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (Puerto Rico) CF R/R HS (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v148840583/draft-report-nestor-muriel)
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round 6:
Muriel, Nestor Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (Puerto Rico) CF R/R HS (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v148840583/draft-report-nestor-muriel)
Sixteen! He'll barely be in Corpus this decade.
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7th round
Freeman, Michael Oklahoma State (OK) LHP R/L 5S -- 6'8" 235lbs DOB: 10/07/91
Edit;
5S=fifth year senior
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7th round
Freeman, Michael Oklahoma State (OK) LHP R/L 5S -- 6'8" 235lbs DOB: 10/07/91
Edit;
5S=fifth year senior
Presumably a very deep discount then.
About half the picks so far in Rd 7 are college seniors.
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Round 8:
Stubbs, Garrett USC (CA) C L/R SR -- 5'10" 175lbs DOB: 05/26/93
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JJ Cooper gushing about the Freeman pick on twitter. Possible fast riser if they move him to 'pen.
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Round 9
Person, Zac LSU (LA) LHP L/L SR -- 6'1" 185lbs DOB: 10/13/92
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Round 9
Person, ZacLSU (LA)LHPL/LSR--6'1" 185lbs DOB: 10/13/92
Person, eh? Sounds like he could be a guy.
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Person, eh? Sounds like he could be a guy.
which feller are you talking about? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGjngdJc614)
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and round 10
Weathersby, Scott U Mississippi (MS) RHP R/R 5S -- 6'2" 180lbs DOB: 12/23/91
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College Seniors in Rounds 7, 8, 9, 10. I guess they really did need to scrape together some extra change to afford Daz, unless I've missed some other potential over-slot guy?
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7th round
Freeman, Michael Oklahoma State (OK) LHP R/L 5S -- 6'8" 235lbs DOB: 10/07/91
Edit;
5S=fifth year senior
I would think a huge lefty could be very interesting. I haven't seen him, but wow.
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College Seniors in Rounds 7, 8, 9, 10. I guess they really did need to scrape together some extra change to afford Daz, unless I've missed some other potential over-slot guy?
I'm thinking the same thing, Reuben, although Freeman does look like a very intriguing arm. Maybe this is also in the event there's an over slot guy who falls into the later rounds?
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I'm thinking the same thing, Reuben, although Freeman does look like a very intriguing arm. Maybe this is also in the event there's an over slot guy who falls into the later rounds?
Definitely a possibility. I haven't seen anything about expected bonus $ for Bregman or Tucker. As Pots noted earlier, Eshelman was presumably slot or a little under.
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Only if he signs. He is a junior so he could go back to school
They're not gonna risk the $522K slot value for that pick without being certain he was gonna sign.
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round 6: Muriel, Nestor Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (Puerto Rico) CF R/R HS
Sixteen! He'll barely be in Corpus this decade.
From the Astros.com article (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/129628496/polished-arms-among-astros-draft-haul):
Astros amateur scouting director Mike Elias isn't 100 percent certain, but he believes Muriel is the youngest player to be selected in the Draft. "He's one of the youngest ones we could come up with when we looked," Elias said. "We're pretty excited about him. He's a toolsy kid. He can run, throw and hit a little bit. You sign a kid like this, develop him and see what you've got in a few years. He could turn into anything at his age and [with] his physical tools."
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7th round: Freeman, Michael Oklahoma State (OK) LHP R/L 5S -- 6'8" 235lbs DOB: 10/07/91
According to Mike Elias (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/129628496/polished-arms-among-astros-draft-haul), Astros plan to use Freeman as a reliever.
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Round 8: Stubbs, Garrett USC (CA) C L/R SR -- 5'10" 175lbs DOB: 05/26/93
From the Footer article (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/129628496/polished-arms-among-astros-draft-haul):
- One of three finalists for Johnny Bench Award (top collegiate catcher).
- Threw out 52.8% of attempted base-stealers.
- Hit .346/.435/.434 batting 2nd for the Trojans.
- Led USC with 20 SBs (thrown out 7 times)
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From the Footer article (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/129628496/polished-arms-among-astros-draft-haul):
- One of three finalists for Johnny Bench Award (top collegiate catcher).
- Threw out 52.8% of attempted base-stealers.
- Hit .346/.435/.434 batting 2nd for the Trojans.
- Led USC with 20 SBs (thrown out 7 times)
That's all well and good, but can he frame pitches?
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5th round
Astros take Trent Thorton right handed pitcher
Thornton (listed at 6'0" 185 lbs) whiffed 81 in 62 IP this past season for UNC. He also walked 31 however.
"He's got a plus curveball, and he throws hard," Elias said (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-rebuilding-white-sox-astros-sullivan-spt-0610-20150609-column.html). "He's got a fastball that generates swings and misses. The strikeout ratio is one of the things we look at for college pitchers. He could be a fast-moving reliever as well, but if we choose to put him a starter's role, he can do that, too."
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"Clubs are working very successfully with player representatives to create valued situations later in the draft" (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13050345/agent-scott-boras-claims-mlb-network-censored-analysts-mentioning-company)
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"Clubs are working very successfully with player representatives to create valued situations later in the draft" (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13050345/agent-scott-boras-claims-mlb-network-censored-analysts-mentioning-company)
That seems very unfair to Lord Voldemort.
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#319 (11th round): Mission Viejo HS LHP Patrick Sandoval
USC commit. 90-91 FB. 99 whiffs/30 walks in 87 IP. 6'3" 190 lbs.
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Horns C.J. Hinojosa and Ben Johnson both go in 11th round to Giants and Royals, respectively.
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Tyler Heineman's brother Scott an 11th round pick of Rangers.
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#349 (12th round): Myles Straw CF St. Johns River State College
JUCO soph. Listed at 5'10" 180 lbs.
Would have been a player scouted by John Martin.
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Evan Drellich @EvanDrellich 1m1 minute ago
Sources told me that Daz Cameron’s asking for less than $5 million, which was the rumored figure on draft day.
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#379 (13th round): Rice RHP Kevin McCanna.
Just 64 K's in 85 IP. 89-92 FB. Listed at 6'1" 195 lbs. Junior.
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#409 (14th round): Johnny Sewald, Arizona State CF
.324/.436/.403. 35 walks vs 33 strikeouts in 216 ABs. Junior. Listed at 5'11'' 170 lbs. Lefty hitter. Brother is a AA pitcher with Mets.
Plus defender w/above average speed.
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#439 (15th round): Pat Porter, Ohio State OF
.338/.423/.576. 27 Ws vs 40 Ks in 210 ABs. Lefty hitter. Listed at 6'0" 205 lbs. Senior.
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Evan Drellich @EvanDrellich 1m1 minute ago
Sources told me that Daz Cameron’s asking for less than $5 million, which was the rumored figure on draft day.
4,999,999?
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#469 (16th round): Adam Whitt, Nevado-Reno RHP
Closer for the Wolfpack. 47 Ks and 9 walks in 38 IP. Junior. Listed at 6'3" 205 lbs.
Sidearmer with 86-90 FB.
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4,999,999?
How magnanimous of him.
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#499 (17th round): Justin Garcia, Nova Southeastern OF
What I wrote previously:
the last time the Astros took a Sharks outfielder didn’t work out so bad (J.D. Martinez) so how about another? Garcia hit .385/.478/.906 this year which was his first at the DII school. Those totals included 26 homers, 5 of which were hit in one day during a doubleheader. Took a meandering path to Nova, not playing baseball his first year out of high school before playing the next year at an Illinois juco and the subsequent one at a Florida juco. The lefty swinger is listed at 6’3” and 235 lbs. 25 Ws and 35 Ks in 192 ABs. 9 out of 10 in steals. Never drafted.
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#319 (11th round): Mission Viejo HS LHP Patrick Sandoval
USC commit. 90-91 FB. 99 whiffs/30 walks in 87 IP. 6'3" 190 lbs.
Perfect Game writeup on Sandoval:
http://www.perfectgame.org/AllAmerican/News.aspx?num=10403
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#529 (18th round): Kevin Martir, U of Maryland C
.342/.441/.502. 32 walks vs 30 strikeouts in 237 ABs. Junior. Listed at 5'11" 210 lbs.
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#559 (19th round): Drew Ferguson, Belmont CF
.395/.486/.682 with 31 walks vs 24 strikeouts in 233 ABs.
QC catcher Jamie Ritchie's former teammate. Senior. Listed at 5'11" 180 lbs.
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#589 (20th round): Makay Nelson, College of Southern Idaho RHP
JUCO sophomore. Listed at 5'11" 175 lbs. 64 Ks vs 28 Ws in 68 IP.
Up to 95 on the FB. BA pegs him as a future reliever.
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Great work and thanks for all of the information!
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#619 (21st round): Alex Winkelman, Southeast Missouri State LHP
92 Ks in 98 IP but a whopping 51 Ws. Junior. Listed at 6'2" 180 lbs.
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#649 (22nd round): Cole Sands, North Florida Christian HS RHP
#79 on the BA 500 list. Obviously an overslot candidate.
Listed at 6'3" 200 lbs. Florida State commit. 17 years old. Touches 95 on the FB but sits in low 90s.
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#679 (23rd round): Matt Bower, Washington State LHP
53 Ks vs 20 Ws in 47 IP. Listed at 6'5" 190 lbs. Junior.
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#709 (24th round): Chris Murphy, Millersville University RHP
69/19 strikeout to walk in 88 IP. Junior. Listed at 6'4" 205 lbs.
Was at TCU (and was suspended as a freshman there) before transferring to the DII school.
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it seems that with the offensive players some emphasis is being put on making contact.
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#739 (25th round): Jorge Martinez, Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy C
Listed at 5'11" 185 lbs.
2nd player taken from that PR academy.
Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3sHas5W5gQ) of him in the batting cage.
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I'm out if anyone wants to take over.
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Next few rounds:
26: Ralph Garza, RHP from OU. Junior for New Braunfels. 49K's in 46 IP, mostly from the bullpen.
27: James Carter, RHP from UC-Santa Barbara. Only appeared in 7 games all year as a reliever.
28: Zac Grotz, RHP from Embry-Riddle U (D2 aerospace-focused university in Florida). 90K's and 12(!) BB in 77.2 IP.
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29th Round:
Brooks Marlow, UT-Austin. 2B. Any of you Horns know anything about him?
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it seems that with the offensive players some emphasis is being put on making contact.
I feel like this has been, by and large, Luhnow's M.O. from the start, has it not?
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30th Round:
Bobby Wernes, 3B from Arky. He can do this. (https://youtu.be/OdgjB0Gd2E8) .347/.551/.994
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28: Zac Grotz, RHP from Embry-Riddle U (D2 aerospace-focused university in Florida). 90K's and 12(!) BB in 77.2 IP.
I had a friend who went there to become a pilot. Had no idea they also played baseball.
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30th Round:
Bobby Wernes, 3B from Arky. He can do this. (https://youtu.be/OdgjB0Gd2E8) .347/.551/.994
And on this planet: .280/.375/.431.
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#919 (31st round): Keach Ballard II, Oklahoma Baptist SS
Redneck royalty.
2 years at JUCO, 1 year at OU, and then spent his senior season at the NAIA school. .241/.355/.304 at OU before putting up considerably better numbers this past year at OBU.
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#949 (32nd round): Aaron Mizell, Georgia Southern OF
Lefty hitter. Senior. Listed at a scrawny 6'0" 170 lbs but somehow managed to put up a .247 ISO this past season. Struck out 43 times in 219 ABs.
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#499 (17th round): Justin Garcia, Nova Southeastern OF
What I wrote previously:
Nice call on that one, Nate.
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The Astros don't seem to have taken a lot of high school players in the second two days. Is the idea that the Astros can't afford to sign high school players after paying the first three picks?
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#979 (33rd round): Kolbey Carpenter, OU 2B
Junior. Listed at 6'0" 190 lbs. Hit .360/.416/.533. 23 walks vs 36 strikeouts in 242 ABs.
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And on this planet: .280/.375/.431.
Is that career? I was posting what I found for 2015.
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Sickels doubts that the Astros have enough money to sign Cole Sands.
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Is that career? I was posting what I found for 2015.
And I thought you were just seeing if people were paying attention.
2015 Razorback stats. (http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/stats/baseball/2015/season.pdf)
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Well, shit. That's the last time I trust thebaseballcube.com.
Also, James Carter's middle name is Turlington. For his Aunt Christy. (https://twitter.com/CTurlington/status/608722318366511105)
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#1009 (34th round): Conor Biggio, Notre Dame OF
Courtesy pick.
Reserve player for the Fighting Irish who played in just 18 games this past season, batting .200/.294/.333 in the process. His career numbers as a backup: .223/.348/.257.
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#1009 (34th round): Conor Biggio, Notre Dame OF
Courtesy pick.
Reserve player for the Fighting Irish who played in just 18 games this past season, batting .200/.294/.333 in the process. His career numbers as a backup: .223/.348/.257.
Brother Cavan had some nice improvements this year:
2014 - 246/329/353 (5 of 7 SB)
2015 - 259/406/462 (14 of 16 SB)
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#1039 (35th round): Kody Clemens, Houston Memorial HS SS
Another courtesy pick as he's headed to the Forty Acres.
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#1069 (36th round): Ryan Deemes, Nicholls State RHP
Senior. Listed at 6'2" 205 lbs. 67/19 strikeout to walk in 79 IP.
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#1099 (37th round): Luken Baker, Conroe Oak Ridge HS RHP
Overslot candidate. What I wrote previously:
...may have seen the news where this Gatorade Player of the Year wrote a letter to all 30 clubs telling them not to draft him as he was headed to college and wouldn’t sign for any amount of money (at the same time he, unlike Kyler Murray, has filed all necessary paperwork required to be drafted). Whether sincere or merely a ploy to make sure he gets drafted by a particular team in a pre-arranged deal remains to be seen. A projected 2nd-rounder. Listed at 6’4” 235 lbs. TCU commit.
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#1129 (38th round): Nick Rivera, Florida Gulf Coast 1B
Junior. Listed at 5'11" 215 lbs. .347/.458/.608 with 40 BBs and 34 Ks in 199 ABs.
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#1159 (39th round): Alex Vargas, Monroe College RHP
JUCO sophomore. Listed at 5'11" 185 lbs. 72/28 strikeouts to walks in 60 IP.
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#1189 (40th round): Steve Naemark, Angelo State LHP
Junior. Listed at 6'3" 195 lbs. 138/23 K to W in 125 IP.
And definitely a guy to root for:
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2 minutes ago
Astros draft Angelo St. LHP Steve Naemark in round 40. Spent 2008-12 working at McDonalds,Taco Bell &call centers saving money to go to college.
Age 25.
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That UTPA outfielder that I had been following, Logan Landon, was taken in the 10th round (yoohoo!) yesterday by the Dodgers. Very, very cool.
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Recapping:
- 8 HS
- 3 JUCO
- 16 4-year Juniors
- 15 4-year seniors
By position:
- 4 catchers
- 1 first baseman
- 2 second basemen
- 1 third baseman
- 3 shortstops
- 10 outfielders
- 15 RHPs
- 6 LHPs
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#1009 (34th round): Conor Biggio, Notre Dame OF
Courtesy pick.
Reserve player for the Fighting Irish who played in just 18 games this past season, batting .200/.294/.333 in the process. His career numbers as a backup: .223/.348/.257.
Man, that kind of bums me out. I know he didn't get as much hype as Cavan coming out of HS, but he was fairly well-regarded, right? At what point would most players transfer to a smaller college where they'd get more playing time?
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The Astros don't seem to have taken a lot of high school players in the second two days. Is the idea that the Astros can't afford to sign high school players after paying the first three picks?
I'm pretty sure most teams don't take a lot of HS players after the first 5 rounds or so. After that it probably benefits the player more to go play ball in college. Every team will take a few hard-sign HS players after the 10th round (as the Astros have done with Sands, Luken Baker, and possibly Sandoval this year, in prior years with guys like Virant, Hinojosa, Marshall, etc.), but those are generally guys that are real long-shots to sign.
That said, maybe they've taken even fewer than normal this year, I dunno.
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I'm pretty sure most teams don't take a lot of HS players after the first 5 rounds or so.
4 HSers total last year, only 2 of which after round #5 (one of which was Mac Marshall).
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The 3 Sooners taken by the Astros (Hermelyn 4th, Garza 26th and Carpenter 33rd) were part of a 11-man contingent of OU players drafted in 2015. Most of any program in the country. Not bad for a team that went 34-27.
Link (http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=210140842)
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NC, since you have been so useful, I'll ask on the off chance that you might know: are there any big names, either juniors and recent draftees, playing at the state tourney this weekend?
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I had a friend who went there to become a pilot. Had no idea they also played baseball.
Yeah, I was really surprised to see that school in the list, too.
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4 HSers total last year, only 2 of which after round #5 (one of which was Mac Marshall).
where did Marshall go this year?
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NC, since you have been so useful, I'll ask on the off chance that you might know: are there any big names, either juniors and recent draftees, playing at the state tourney this weekend?
I had to look up to see who's playing at the Dell and Disch-Falk so that tells you how little I've been paying attention. None of the schools triggered any recognition of possible names but that's not saying much.
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where did Marshall go this year?
Giants, 4th round.
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My cousin's kid was drafted by the Marlins in the 18th round. Kyle Keller (http://www.nola.com/southeastern/index.ssf/2015/06/jesuit_product_kyle_keller_pic.html)
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Bregman, Eshelman and Ferrell all on view in CWS this weekend.
Plus Zac Person (LSU).
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Some signing info starting to get out:
20th rounder Makay Nelson reported to be signing (http://magicvalley.com/sports/college/csi-pitcher-nelson-drafted-by-astros-plans-to-sign/article_a47c3dec-e123-54ea-a478-7e63213f5834.html).
40th Rounder Steve Naemark signed for $5000 and a plane ticket (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/astros/article/Astros-draft-report-Familiar-names-called-on-Day-6320167.php).
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12th rounder Myles Straw reported to be signing today (http://www.bradenton.com/2015/06/10/5843989/baseball-draft-braden-rivers-jordan.html). Another report linked above expects the very speedy outfielder to be in Greeneville.
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#409 (14th round): Johnny Sewald, Arizona State CF
.324/.436/.403. 35 walks vs 33 strikeouts in 216 ABs. Junior. Listed at 5'11'' 170 lbs. Lefty hitter. Brother is a AA pitcher with Mets.
Plus defender w/above average speed.
He is also stylish when he is hit by a pitch (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/17/johnny-sewald-layne-bruner_n_7301250.html)
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Jim Callis labels the Astros' draft the best of 2015. I would be disappointed if they didn't, considering their picks/pool, but he also had praise for other picks outside of 1-37, labeling Eshelman the "best strike-thrower in college baseball history" and noting Ferrell as someone who "should advance quickly" as a reliever.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129965642/jim-callis-5-best-drafts-of-2015 (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/129965642/jim-callis-5-best-drafts-of-2015)
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If the Astros can sign any of Sandoval, Sands or Baker from the later rounds, I'll be grinning like a fool (to quote the immortal Michael Nash).
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It's Heyman, but he says the deal with Cameron is likely to be for around $4MM (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25212612/inside-baseball-mets-want-infielder-dont-appear-high-on-zobrist). That would be $2.3MM above slot.
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It's Heyman, but he says the deal with Cameron is likely to be for around $4MM (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25212612/inside-baseball-mets-want-infielder-dont-appear-high-on-zobrist). That would be $2.3MM above slot.
That also means he won't be signing before Bregman.
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That also means he won't be signing before Bregman.
Oh I'm sure they'll bring both Cameron and Bregman in at the exact same time to sign their contracts.
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Astros County already doing a fine job of tracking (http://www.astroscounty.com/p/2015-draft.html) who's signed, over/under slot figures, etc.
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Oh I'm sure they'll bring both Cameron and Bregman in at the exact same time to sign their contracts.
At the same hotel, of course.
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Astros County already doing a fine job of tracking (http://www.astroscounty.com/p/2015-draft.html) who's signed, over/under slot figures, etc.
A few signings AC hasn't yet accounted for (at least at the time I post this):
14-rounder Johnny Sewald has signed says his brother Paul who pitches in the Mets system at Binghamton. Unsurprisingly he's being assigned to the V-Cats.
13th-rounder Kevin McCanna has agreed to terms, says the Chron.
(Pasting isn't functional at the moment so unable to show links)
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Bregman, Eshelman and Ferrell all on view in CWS this weekend.
Plus Zac Person (LSU) and Bobby Wernes (Arkansas).
(Fixing what I posted earlier).
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Nicholls State C Christian Correa signed as NDFA (h/t WTHB). Hit .261 as a senior this past season.
Link (http://www.geauxcolonels.com/news/2015/6/14/BASE_0614155511.aspx)
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BA writeup on Riley Ferrell (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cws-2015-ferrell-finds-range/), who whiffed all three Tigers he faced yesterday after some earlier blowups in the postseason.
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According to Jonathan Mustard, the Astros have signed Kyle Tucker, though only save about $200k off the slot value.
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I haven't followed the economics of it all, does that mean in order to sign Cameron, they must get a big savings from Bregman?
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I haven't followed the economics of it all, does that mean in order to sign Cameron, they must get a big savings from Bregman?
The bulk, if not all, the 2.3MM overslot payment of (reportedly) $4MM to Cameron will have to come from Bregman. If he were to sign for, say, $5MM that would be an underslot savings of $2.4MM.
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The bulk, if not all, the 2.3MM overslot payment of (reportedly) $4MM to Cameron will have to come from Bregman. If he were to sign for, say, $5MM that would be an underslot savings of $2.4MM.
They've also saved some cash from their Seniors circa rd. 6-10. Plus they can go over by what, $800k or so before losing future picks?
But $5m or even less for Bregman does sound plausible.
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Going over by 0-5% of the pool only carries monetary fines, so that $864k that they can use and only have to worry about paying a little more money.
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According to Jonathan Mustard, the Astros have signed Kyle Tucker, though only save about $200k off the slot value.
http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/130782038/astros-sign-kyle-tucker
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In the parlor with the Mont Blanc.
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According to Jonathan Mustard, the Astros have signed Kyle Tucker, though only save about $200k off the slot value.
That is a bit surprising but not by much. I was thinking around 3.7-3.8
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BA writeup on Riley Ferrell (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cws-2015-ferrell-finds-range/), who whiffed all three Tigers he faced yesterday after some earlier blowups in the postseason.
I had no idea that Kirk Saarloos is the TCU pitching coach.
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That is a bit surprising but not by much. I was thinking around 3.7-3.8
Actually, come to think of it. Might be hard to sell a less than Daz signing bonus
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In the parlor with the Mont Blanc.
I see what you did there.
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Actually, come to think of it. Might be hard to sell a less than Daz signing bonus
Plus, I think there were reports of the Twins wanting Tucker at #6, that slot was about $3.9m. For Bregman, on the other hand, Colorado was almost certainly not taking him at #3, leaving the Rangers at #4 with a $5,026,500 slot value as his best shot if the Astros passed on him at #2. So I'd guess his bonus could very well be around $5m.
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BA writeup on Riley Ferrell (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cws-2015-ferrell-finds-range/), who whiffed all three Tigers he faced yesterday after some earlier blowups in the postseason.
His slider looked fantastic.
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Not yet reflected on the AC page but 4th-rounder Anthony Hermelyn signed for $250,000 which would be an underslot savings of $272,700.
BA Draft Database (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draftdb/index.php)
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Another NDFA signing (h/t Astros County): 6'2" 165 lb senior Jacob Dorris out A&M-Corpus Christi. The closer for the last 3 seasons for the Islanders, had something of an up and down career there. The sidearmer struck out 148 in 121 IP over his 4 seasons but also walked 52.
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Plus, I think there were reports of the Twins wanting Tucker at #6, that slot was about $3.9m. For Bregman, on the other hand, Colorado was almost certainly not taking him at #3, leaving the Rangers at #4 with a $5,026,500 slot value as his best shot if the Astros passed on him at #2. So I'd guess his bonus could very well be around $5m.
Likely picks 3 and 4 will cancel each other out and if Bregman and Daz cancel each other out then the Astros will be 772k under slot. Add on the 864k and that's 1.63 million they could dangle in front of Baker, Sands and Sandoval.
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Astros announce signings of 9 draftees, all of which were known (or at least strongly implied) except for 19th round pick Drew Ferguson.
Link (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/130961062/astros-sign-nine-players-from-2015-mlb-draft-class)
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Likely picks 3 and 4 will cancel each other out and if Bregman and Daz cancel each other out then the Astros will be 772k under slot. Add on the 864k and that's 1.63 million they could dangle in front of Baker, Sands and Sandoval.
Are you saying you think Riley Ferrell will be overslot by roughly Hermelyn's $272k?
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Astros officially announce the signing of 8 more players (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/131194004/astros-sign-eight-players-from-2015-mlb-draft-class), all of whom had previously said (or strongly implied) they'd sign. Officially, the Astros have announced the signing of 18 out of 42 selections.
One of the signees was 13th-rounder Kevin McCanna of Rice, who Jim Callis says via twitter signed for $100K.
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#3 overall pick Brendan Rodgers signed w/Rockies at $5.5MM.
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39th round pick Nick Rivera of FGCU won't be signing (http://www.naplesnews.com/sports/college/fgcu/college-baseball-fgcus-dave-tollett-looking-to-improve-fundraising_60913517):
For the first time ever, the Eagles — who’ve had to rebuild from drafts like two years ago when six juniors were plucked high enough to go pro — will return their top six hitters. That includes senior all-conference first-teamer and Louisville Slugger third-team All-American Nick Rivera, who last week turned down a $300,000 signing bonus to return to school.
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Are you saying you think Riley Ferrell will be overslot by roughly Hermelyn's $272k?
Sorry I meant Eshelman and Ferrel
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Per various tweets, 33rd rounder Kolbey Carpenter has signed. The 2B will be joining Sooners teammate (and 4th round pick) Anthony Hermelyn playing for the ValleyCats.
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Via tweets, Astros announce some more signings (three of which were previously known). The not previously disclosed names included #26 pick Ralph Garza and NDFA RHP David Schmidt out of Stanford.
Schmidt was a senior who threw just 8 innings combined his last 2 seasons for the Cardinal.
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Via tweets, Astros announce some more signings (three of which were previously known). The not previously disclosed names included #26 pick Ralph Garza and NDFA RHP David Schmidt out of Stanford.
Schmidt was a senior who threw just 8 innings combined his last 2 seasons for the Cardinal.
That would be funny if he were related to Michael Schmidt who wrote the NYT Hackin' Cards article.
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Yea. I think Bregman can play SS. (For those watching CWS)
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Yea. I think Bregman can play SS. (For those watching CWS)
Yep, that was a fantastic play.
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Yep, that was a fantastic play.
No kidding. Very impressive.
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Wow, there's another one. Soft hands.
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If there was any question whether he would sign:
Alex Bregman @ABREG_1 10h10 hours ago
The best 3 years of my life. It was an honor to run out to short everyday for the Purple and Gold. Thank you.
He added more in a screenshot of a text saying how it would be weird not wearing purple and gold next year and giving up #8 (given to the best player each year) to Jake Fraley.
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Kyle Tucker winning more hardware, being named BA's High School Player of the Year after hitting .484/.581/.962(!) with 10 HR and 10 steals on the season.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school/high-school-player-year-tucker-powers-past-brother-joins/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/high-school/high-school-player-year-tucker-powers-past-brother-joins/)
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Missed this tweet from last night which has the signing bonus for Stubbs:
Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB
8th-rder Garrett Stubbs signs w/@Astros for $100k (slot = $176k). Southern Cal senior C, solid defender, contact bat, great makeup.
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Missed this tweet from last night which has the signing bonus for Stubbs:
When discussing the recent Astros draft, after he gushed about the top 3 picks, Luhnow specifically mentioned getting a couple of good college catchers was a highlight for him.
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Astros announce the signings of 5 more draftees (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/131683826/astros-sign-five-players-from-2015-mlb-draft-class), all of which were known previously as was the announced NDFA signing.
The PR release from the Astros claims that 26 of the 42 draft picks have been signed. Actually that's not true--it's 27. None of the press releases to date have mentioned the signing of 33rd rounder Kolbey Carpenter. That's despite the fact he shows up on the active roster of the V-Cats (http://www.milb.com/roster/index.jsp?sid=t577) released today and his signing even shows up on the official MLB transactions page (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=6&year=2015&team_id=117).
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30th round pick Bobby Wernes, fresh off the CWS with Arkansas, announced on twitter (https://twitter.com/bobbywernes/status/611963755690201088) he will be signing with the Astros.
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Riley Ferrell in B7 vs Vandy: strikeout, walk, walk, strikeout, strikeout.
Was hitting 99 on the gun.
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Riley redux in B8 vs top of Vandy lineup: LD caught for an out, strikeout (of 3rd-round pick Rhett Wiseman), strikeout (of Dansby Swanson).
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That's it for Astros draftees in the CWS as TCU bows out.
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I'm really liking what I am reading about Ferrell. If he can get a little more command he will be huge asset to bull pen
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Finally got to see Ferrell. Somehow kept missing him. He's a curious pick for the Astros, IMO. I usually expect them to target strike throwers over stuff, but he's the polar opposite. Not sure whether they just thought the stuff was too good to pass up, or whether they just figure they can fix him.
Heard talk about him being a starter. Don't know about his history stamina wise, but he has the repertoire for a starter as that change on his last pitch was quite impressive. I assume he is in the pen because he is too inefficient to start, not due to stamina issues. Either way, he won't be that effective as a starter or reliever without improving his command, but if he does, that talent is pretty special.
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That LSU draftee has signed. No not that one, the other one...
Chandler Rome @Chandler_Rome
The #Astros have signed ninth-round pick, LHP Zac Person.
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Mac Marshall to the Giants. #126 slot value: $443,800
Signed today for $750K, per a Jim Callis tweet.
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Signed today for $750K, per a Jim Callis tweet.
Would've gotten what, $1.5m from the Astros if Aiken had taken the discount deal?
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Would've gotten what, $1.5m from the Astros if Aiken had taken the discount deal?
Yep.
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Yep.
I know this was covered pre-draft, but I can't remember how serious his injury problems were this spring - presumably that caused him to drop/get less money, or did other clubs just not like him the way the Astros did?
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I know this was covered pre-draft, but I can't remember how serious his injury problems were this spring - presumably that caused him to drop/get less money, or did other clubs just not like him the way the Astros did?
None of the pre-draft writeups suggested anything was seriously wrong injury-wise so apparently that wasn't a factor. It may have been 2014 presented a unique set of circumstances that Marshall was using to his advantage. His agents advisors could do the math just like everybody else and see how much the Astros had available under the pool with the lowered offer to Aiken. They asked for the max and would have gotten it had Aiken accepted.
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According to the MLB transactions page (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=6&year=2015), the Astros have signed 2B Ford Stainback of Rice as a NDFA.
Hit .356/.421/.419 as a senior this past season for the Owls.
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According to the MLB transactions page (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=6&year=2015), the Astros have signed 2B Ford Stainback of Rice as a NDFA.
Hit .356/.421/.419 as a senior this past season for the Owls.
He has been assigned to Greeneville.
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According to the MLB transactions page (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/#month=6&year=2015), the Astros have signed 2B Ford Stainback of Rice as a NDFA.
Hit .356/.421/.419 as a senior this past season for the Owls.
That's a good contender for best name in the system.
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Another NDFA signing (http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/college/2015/06/23/chs-grad-thome-signs-pro-contract-astros/29187057/): Andrew Thome of the U of North Dakota. Thome this spring in 94 IP gave up 107 hits with 65 strikeouts and 22 walks. According to the article, he "throws anywhere from 88-90 mph usually but has topped out at 92. He relies on a sinking fastball, slider and change-up".
He's being assigned to the GCL Astros.
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Another NDFA signing (http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/college/2015/06/23/chs-grad-thome-signs-pro-contract-astros/29187057/): Andrew Thome of the U of North Dakota. Thome this spring in 94 IP gave up 107 hits with 65 strikeouts and 22 walks. According to the article, he "throws anywhere from 88-90 mph usually but has topped out at 92. He relies on a sinking fastball, slider and change-up".
He's being assigned to the GCL Astros.
"I believe in my stuff, but I know I have to work my way up the ladder," Thome said. "This is the bottom of the barrel. I know that and I'm embracing it. I'm going to roll into Florida and show them what I've got."
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FWIW, MLB.com associate reporter Chandler Rome Tweets re: Bregman (https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/613747545806798848) Alex Bregman has landed in Houston. He says he's agreed to a deal. #Astros
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FWIW, MLB.com associate reporter Chandler Rome =https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/613747545806798848Tweet re: Bregman (http://=https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/613747545806798848Tweet re: Bregman): Alex Bregman has landed in Houston. He says he's agreed to a deal. #Astros
Mark Berman reporting same thing.
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Chandler Rome follow-up Tweet (https://twitter.com/Chandler_Rome/status/613750694198128640): Alex Bregman said he's "pretty sure" he'll be introduced tomorrow at Minute Maid Park. #Astros
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How did it even occur to the Astros to offer Person just $10K?
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Drellich reporting that the deal for Bregman is expected to be $6M. LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/06/24/astros-first-round-pick-alex-bregman-agrees-to-6-million-bonus/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0)
Alex Bregman, the Astros’ top pick in this year’s draft, has agreed to a signing bonus expected to be $6 million, a person close to the process told the Chronicle. The slot value for the No. 2 overall selection is $7.42 million.
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I am really in awe of this management team. They appear to have a definite plan and are executing it with extreme efficiency.
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How did it even occur to the Astros to offer Person just $10K?
That's a prevalent practice for college Seniors. Especially ones not seen as Top 3-4 rd talent.
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So with the LSU SS signing, how are the Astros chances of signing Daz Cameron looking?
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Drellich reporting that the deal for Bregman is expected to be $6M. LINK (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/06/24/astros-first-round-pick-alex-bregman-agrees-to-6-million-bonus/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#12840101=0)
Alex Bregman, the Astros’ top pick in this year’s draft, has agreed to a signing bonus expected to be $6 million, a person close to the process told the Chronicle. The slot value for the No. 2 overall selection is $7.42 million.
Wow, not sure why he commanded 6. Colorado wasn't taking him and The Rangers pick was 5.026 million. Figured 5.5 would be the max. That pretty much eliminates most of the extra slot money. Now I really wish they looked at Fulmer or Benintendi. Hell Rodgers only got 5.5 million. They could of had him and maybe the cash to land one of the long shots. Well the good news is they really like Bregman. Must be something special there.
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So with the LSU SS signing, how are the Astros chances of signing Daz Cameron looking?
They saved 915 k on other positions so they have the 4 million for Daz.
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Wow, not sure why he commanded 6. Colorado wasn't taking him and The Rangers pick was 5.026 million. Figured 5.5 would be the max. That pretty much eliminates most of the extra slot money. Now I really wish they looked at Fulmer or Benintendi. Hell Rodgers only got 5.5 million. They could of had him and maybe the cash to land one of the long shots. Well the good news is they really like Bregman. Must be something special there.
I know both Drellich and the Baton Rouge paper have reported the $6MM figure, but I'm still waiting for Callis to confirm that amount. I was surprised by the number as well. Once the Rodgers figure came out (if not before), a lot of people were speculating in the $5MM to $5.5MM range.
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Interesting. What is the $$ amount the Astros can go over slot before they lose draft picks?
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Interesting. What is the $$ amount the Astros can go over slot before they lose draft picks?
Around $865K.
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They saved 915 k on other positions so they have the 4 million for Daz.
I highly doubt they would've used the #37 pick on him unless they were absolutely certain they had the money for it. Barring some crazy Aiken-esque scenario of course.
The only drama, to me, is whether they somehow have enough to sign the 11th rd kid, or even better, Sands or Baker. Those last two are looking pretty unlikely right now.
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The only drama, to me, is whether they somehow have enough to sign the 11th rd kid, or even better, Sands or Baker. Those last two are looking pretty unlikely right now.
After last year, that's a welcome level of drama.
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I highly doubt they would've used the #37 pick on him unless they were absolutely certain they had the money for it. Barring some crazy Aiken-esque scenario of course.
The only drama, to me, is whether they somehow have enough to sign the 11th rd kid, or even better, Sands or Baker. Those last two are looking pretty unlikely right now.
I'm wondering if players like Sands and Baker will only drafted as kind of an insurance policy against not being able to sign Daz. if you can't sign him, at least you have a couple high upside guys that you can turn to with the extra cash.
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I'm wondering if players like Sands and Baker will only drafted as kind of an insurance policy against not being able to sign Daz. if you can't sign him, at least you have a couple high upside guys that you can turn to with the extra cash.
That has always been my assumption. Seems like a prudent strategy.
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Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 53s53 seconds ago
Slot savings on Bregman ($1,520,100) will help @Astros pay supp 1st-rder Daz Cameron $4 mil at pick 37 (slot = $1,668,600). @MLBDraft
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Also per Callis (https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/614147281273683968):
No. 2 overall pick Alex Bregman signs w/@Astros. Bonus is $5.9 million. Louisiana State SS, pure hitter, great makeup/instincts. @MLBDraft
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Jose de Jesus Ortiz @OrtizKicks 56 minutes ago
Multiple sources tell me TCU closer Riley Ferrell, the Astros' 3rd rounder, is coming to MMP tomorrow to sign.
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8th-rounder Garrett Stubbs wins the 2015 Johnny Bench Award (http://www.usctrojans.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/062515aaa.html) as the nation's top collegiate catcher.
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Jose de Jesus Ortiz @OrtizKicks 56 minutes ago
Multiple sources tell me TCU closer Riley Ferrell, the Astros' 3rd rounder, is coming to MMP tomorrow to sign'
Confirmed by Berman via Twitter (https://twitter.com/MarkBermanFox26/status/614507159364177920):
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
MLB sources: Astros land another draft pick. RHP Riley Ferrell from TCU,
taken in the 3rd round, 79th overall.
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Significantly overslot on Ferrell, says Mr. Callis:
Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 1 hour ago
3rd-rder Riley Ferrell's bonus w/@Astros = $1 mil (slot 79 = $765,600). TCU RHP, closer, FB to 98 & wicked mid-80s SL when on.
Also Chandler Rome tweeted out that Ferrell, like Freeman and Bregman, will be assigned to Quad Cities.
(BTW, give Rome a follow at @Chandler_Rome. He's the associate reporter at Astros.com. He's McTaggart without all the inane twaddle.)
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I wonder at this point if Sandoval is the only realistic late round over slot signing? Just doesn't seem like the Astros will have enough money left over to sign either Sands or Baker.
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From late this afternoon:
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
Cal St-Fullerton RHP Thomas Eshelman, 2nd-round pick(#46), has deal with Astros: "We do have a verbal agreement." Says he'll sign next week.
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Astros have officially signed 31 of their 42 picks. Unofficially, 32 with Thomas Eshelman having agreed to terms. The 10 unsigned:
Daz Cameron (1S)
Patrick Sandoval (11)
Cole Sands (22)
Matt Bower (23)
James Carter (27)
Conor Biggio (33)*
Kody Clemens (34)*
Luken Baker (37)
Nick Rivera (38)*
Alex Vargas (39)
*Not expected to sign
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I wonder at this point if Sandoval is the only realistic late round over slot signing? Just doesn't seem like the Astros will have enough money left over to sign either Sands or Baker.
Yeah, I'm thinking Sands and Baker are probably insurance/leverage in case something goes wrong with Daz - they'd still have something to spend their extra money on.
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Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
MLB sources: OF Daz Cameron, the 37th-overall pick in the MLB Draft, is in Houston to sign with the Astros
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It is rumored that Daz's bonus will be 4 million.
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Good job getting the top round picks signed, Astros!
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It is rumored that Daz's bonus will be 4 million.
More than rumored:
Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 28 minutes ago
Supp 1st-rder Daz Cameron's bonus from @Astros will be $4 mil (slot 37 = $1,668,600).
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Unsigned 23rd rounder Matt Bower of Washington State is pitching for the Madison Mallards (http://northwoods.bbstats.pointstreak.com/player.html?playerid=809444&seasonid=29211) of the Northwoods League. Currently 25 K/5 BB in 28 IP.
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Unsigned 23rd rounder Matt Bower of Washington State is pitching for the Madison Mallards (http://northwoods.bbstats.pointstreak.com/player.html?playerid=809444&seasonid=29211) of the Northwoods League. Currently 25 K/5 BB in 28 IP.
I love that there is a baseball team named the Mallards.
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I love that there is a baseball team named the Mallards.
Should there be an all-waterfowl league? Pensacola Pelicans, Long Island Ducks, Madison Mallards, ... Others?
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Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 5 hours ago
1st-rder Andrew Benintendi signs w/@RedSox for $3,590,400 (full slot at 7). Arkansas HS OF, best all-around college tools in @MLBDraft.
Motherfucker!
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Should there be an all-waterfowl league? Pensacola Pelicans, Long Island Ducks, Madison Mallards, ... Others?
Toledo Mud Hens
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Motherfucker!
Wishing the Astros had taken him instead of Bregman, or are you just angry about Callis' mistakenly labeling him a HS player?
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Wishing the Astros had taken him instead of Bregman, or are you just angry about Callis' mistakenly labeling him a HS player?
Now that we know the price tag differential between the two was $2.4MM ($5.9MM vs $3.5MM), that money could have been used for not one but perhaps two of the overslot guys. So if it came down to Benintendi + Sands (or Baker) + Sandoval vs Bregman, then yeah count me in on the former.
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Now that we know the price tag differential between the two was $2.4MM ($5.9MM vs $3.5MM), that money could have been used for not one but perhaps two of the overslot guys. So if it came down to Benintendi + Sands (or Baker) + Sandoval vs Bregman, then yeah count me in on the former.
You can't look at it that way. Slot limits are different. He got full slot there. No telling how much he'd have asked for in a higher slot value pick.
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You can't look at it that way. Slot limits are different. He got full slot there. No telling how much he'd have asked for in a higher slot value pick.
Oh c'mon, it doesn't work that way. Underslot deals would rarely if ever get done by your logic.
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Now that we know the price tag differential between the two was $2.4MM ($5.9MM vs $3.5MM), that money could have been used for not one but perhaps two of the overslot guys. So if it came down to Benintendi + Sands (or Baker) + Sandoval vs Bregman, then yeah count me in on the former.
From the way everything has played out, I'm assuming that Elias/Luhnow must really be high on Bregman; higher than most of us seem to be. They could've had Rodgers, Tate, Benintendi, Fulmer, Jay, etc. and still been able to afford Tucker and Cameron or even more. That tells me Bregman was a strong favorite of theirs. Whether they were "right" of course remains to be seen.
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Oh c'mon, it doesn't work that way. Underslot deals would rarely if ever get done by your logic.
He got the maximum value he could for where he was picked. How do you know he would not have asked for max slot value at 2?
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He got the maximum value he could for where he was picked. How do you know he would not have asked for max slot value at 2?
As you are well aware, teams are calling ahead of the draft and asking him what he was willing to sign for. If he told teams he was asking for $7.4MM, he would be now be playing in the Cape and preparing for his junior season at Arkansas. You know as well as I do those numbers are worked out in advance.
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From the way everything has played out, I'm assuming that Elias/Luhnow must really be high on Bregman; higher than most of us seem to be. They could've had Rodgers, Tate, Benintendi, Fulmer, Jay, etc. and still been able to afford Tucker and Cameron or even more. That tells me Bregman was a strong favorite of theirs. Whether they were "right" of course remains to be seen.
I assume basically the same, or maybe they just didn't like Benintendi (or others who would sign at a similar price) too much.
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As you are well aware, teams are calling ahead of the draft and asking him what he was willing to sign for. If he told teams he was asking for $7.4MM, he would be now be playing in the Cape and preparing for his junior season at Arkansas. You know as well as I do those numbers are worked out in advance.
And they give out different numbers to different teams. Agents don't want do drive down the top bonuses, they want to drive them up. They want baseball talent to cost as much as possible, even if it means taking less in some situations. If Benintendi takes a deep discount at 2, Bregman falls and gets less money later. Some player later on benefits, but overall, elite talent costs less per player. They want to avoid that.
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And they give out different numbers to different teams. Agents don't want do drive down the top bonuses, they want to drive them up. They want baseball talent to cost as much as possible, even if it means taking less in some situations. If Benintendi takes a deep discount at 2, Bregman falls and gets less money later. Some player later on benefits, but overall, elite talent costs less per player. They want to avoid that.
So what you're saying is if the Astros offered $3.7MM at #2 and the Red Sox offered $3.5MM at #7, the "advisor" would be there telling Benintendi to turn down the Astros offer and accept the Red Sox offer? And you would expect Benintendi to go along with that?
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As you are well aware, teams are calling ahead of the draft and asking him what he was willing to sign for. If he told teams he was asking for $7.4MM, he would be now be playing in the Cape and preparing for his junior season at Arkansas. You know as well as I do those numbers are worked out in advance.
Different teams. Different slots. Different discussions. Whatever the case I agree with Rueben that the Astros had Bregman rated far above the others. Benintendi wasn't going to be the pick, period.
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Benintendi wasn't going to be the pick, period.
I'm certainly more than happy with the Bregman/Tucker/Cameron haul. Just outlining a scenario where (perhaps, perhaps not) it could have been "haulier".
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Astros officially announce signing of 2nd-rounder Thomas Eshelman, per various tweets.
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So everyone in the top 10 is signed. Nice.
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Eshelman signed for $225K under slot, per Jim Callis' reporting:
Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 59 minutes ago
2nd-rder Thomas Eshelman signs w/@Astros for $1.1 mil (slot = $1,325,700).
Astros could spend up to $1.2MM on one of the overslot candidates w/o losing a draft pick.
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That is pretty damn good news to hear.
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Astros could spend up to $1.2MM on one of the overslot candidates w/o losing a draft pick.
That is awesome. What a haul this could be.
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FWIW, a refresher on the 3 HS kids in question:
Cole Sands, RHP. BA ranked him #79 in the class. excerpt from scouting report:
"His fastball sits in the low 90s with sinking action and has touched 95 mph. His secondary stuff is still developing, but he has some feel for a changeup and his slider has made strides since he scrapped his curveball in favor of it. Sands plays third base when he's not pitching, which has meant he's not always as fresh as some other top high school pitchers. He earns praise for his makeup and leadership. Sands is one of the younger players in the draft class and won't turn 18 until after the signing deadline. Despite his age, he doesn't offer much projectability, as he's already solidly built at 6-foot-3, 200 pounds." Kiley McDaniel echoed the "little projection" part, but ranked him #44.
Luken Baker, RHP/1B. Announced as RHP by Astros. BA ranked him #58 (just ahead of Riley Ferrell):
"Baker has some of the best raw power in the class and he posted some of the best exit speeds on batted balls on the showcase circuit. But he's also relatively advanced in his approach, as he uses the opposite field well and does a good job of not chasing pitches out of the zone....On the mound, Baker has a 91-95 fastball with good downhill plane and some sink down in the zone, although it's relatively true when he elevates it. His breaking ball flashes above-average. His changeup is less developed and would need to be a point of emphasis as a pro. Baker, a Texas Christian signee, shows effort in his delivery and has a head whack, which leads some to believe he'll end up as a power reliever. It's hard not to think of Mark Trumbo when watching Baker, as they have a similar skillset coming out of high school, and both faced choices on whether to pitch or hit." #77 on McDaniel's list.
Patrick Sandoval, LHP. BA ranked him #392:
"Sandoval switched his college commitment this spring, de-committing from a loaded Vanderbilt class and choosing to stay closer to home, signing with Southern California. The lefthander stands out for his curveball, which was a plus pitch last summer at showcases and at the Perfect Game All-America Classic in San Diego. Sandoval played football last fall to add strength and help him maintain the velocity on his 90-91 mph fastball. His arm action has some length and a bit of a stab in the back, which can be difficult for him to repeat, leading to control struggles, but those were less frequent in his senior season. He had 30 walks and 99 strikeouts in 87 innings. Sandoval was finishing strong, pitching well to lead Mission Viejo on a deep playoff run, with 10 strikeouts in his latest playoff start." McDaniel had him way higher, at #135.
*The roughly $1.3m the Astros could spend on one of these kids is roughly equivalent to slot value for the #46 overall pick in this year's draft.
edit to add Kiley McDaniel's rankings. Can't find mlb.com's.
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*The roughly $1.3m the Astros could spend on one of these kids is roughly equivalent to slot value for the #46 overall pick in this year's draft.
That $1.2 MM (or $1.3MM if you will) in turn becomes around $2MM when you factor in the 75% tax.
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That $1.2 MM (or $1.3MM if you will) in turn becomes around $2MM when you factor in the 75% tax.
I think it would be insane for any of these guys to turn down 1.2 million. If you go to college you push back your rule 5 clock 2 or 3 years. And if you improve enough in college to elevate your stock to more money, imagine where your stock would be if you did that in the minors with a mlb ballclub. Basically would be just a year or 2 at most away from being in the majors and getting close to that big pay day. And if you don't elevate your stock in college, you may never make anything.
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I think it would be insane for any of these guys to turn down 1.2 million. If you go to college you push back your rule 5 clock 2 or 3 years. And if you improve enough in college to elevate your stock to more money, imagine where your stock would be if you did that in the minors with a mlb ballclub. Basically would be just a year or 2 at most away from being in the majors and getting close to that big pay day. And if you don't elevate your stock in college, you may never make anything.
There are girls in college.
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Take McCullers for example. If he went to college and improved like he has, he probably makes 6+ million in a signing bonus this year. But he'd likely be looking at 2017 as his first year in the majors. And even if he super 2'd he'd still be one year behind. And one year to a pticher like himself (career wise) is 8 figures.
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Take McCullers for example. If he went to college and improved like he has, he probably makes 6+ million in a signing bonus this year. But he'd likely be looking at 2017 as his first year in the majors. And even if he super 2'd he'd still be one year behind. And one year to a pticher like himself (career wise) is 8 figures.
You've picked an outlier. For every McCullers, there are dozens of kids who bank on improving their lot in college but get hurt or max out in college and, thereby, hurt their draft position. There's something to be said for financial security over what may be behind door number one..
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There are girls in college.
And academics!
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There are girls in college.
The best five years of my life.
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Luken Baker, RHP/1B. Announced as RHP by Astros. BA ranked him #58 (just ahead of Riley Ferrell):
"Baker, a Texas Christian signee, shows effort in his delivery and has a head whack, which leads some to believe he'll end up as a power reliever."
What is a "head whack"?
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There are girls in college.
All he needs to do is walk onto any random campus, walk into a party and introduce himself as someone who pitches for the Astros and just signed a million dollar contract. He'll get more that night than the average college student does in a year.
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What is a "head whack"?
That's when at the point of delivery there is quick, some call it violent, head movement. Carson Fulmer does it.
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That $1.2 MM (or $1.3MM if you will) in turn becomes around $2MM when you factor in the 75% tax.
I hadn't been following the math as much this draft, and had no idea they still had another $1.2M to $2M to play with still (after Daz and all). Good news indeed!
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All he needs to do is walk onto any random campus, walk into a party and introduce himself as someone who pitches for the Astros and just signed a million dollar contract. He'll get more that night than the average college student does in a year.
But don't forget the academics.
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Sandoval signed (via the Astros Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/astros/status/618538056878960640)):
#Astros announced signing of LHP Patrick Sandoval, 18, selected in the 11th round of the 2015 MLB First Year Player Draft.
ETA: $900K bonus (per Callis, via Twitter (https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/618539736488091649)):
11th-rder Patrick Sandoval signs w/@Astros for $900k ($800k vs pool). Calif HS LHP, already to 92, flashes hammer curve. @MLBDraft
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Terrific haul this year.
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Sandoval signed (via the Astros Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/astros/status/618538056878960640)):
#Astros announced signing of LHP Patrick Sandoval, 18, selected in the 11th round of the 2015 MLB First Year Player Draft.
ETA: $900K bonus (per Callis, via Twitter (https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/618539736488091649)):
11th-rder Patrick Sandoval signs w/@Astros for $900k ($800k vs pool). Calif HS LHP, already to 92, flashes hammer curve. @MLBDraft
That is awesome. Should we expect that to be it then? They should be out of $$ right?
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ETA: $900K bonus (per Callis, via Twitter (https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/618539736488091649)):
Looks like they are willing to pay some penalties as well but are still sub 5% excess.
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That is awesome. Should we expect that to be it then? They should be out of $$ right?
Yep, that's it.
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Patrick Sandoval, LHP. BA ranked him #392:
"Sandoval switched his college commitment this spring, de-committing from a loaded Vanderbilt class and choosing to stay closer to home, signing with Southern California. The lefthander stands out for his curveball, which was a plus pitch last summer at showcases and at the Perfect Game All-America Classic in San Diego. Sandoval played football last fall to add strength and help him maintain the velocity on his 90-91 mph fastball. His arm action has some length and a bit of a stab in the back, which can be difficult for him to repeat, leading to control struggles, but those were less frequent in his senior season. He had 30 walks and 99 strikeouts in 87 innings. Sandoval was finishing strong, pitching well to lead Mission Viejo on a deep playoff run, with 10 strikeouts in his latest playoff start." McDaniel had him way higher, at #135.
edit to add Kiley McDaniel's rankings. Can't find mlb.com's.
mlb.com had him ranked #139 (http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=draft). BA sure as hell was a huge outlier.
From the press release: (http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/135296870/astros-sign-11th-round-pick-patrick-sandoval)
"Patrick is a premium high school lefty whom our staff followed all spring," said Elias. "He has good size, a lively fastball that he locates well, and a solid curveball and changeup in place. We like the blend of pitchability, stuff and projection he offers, and to add a talent of his caliber is a big boost to our organization and our draft class."
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Yep, that's it.
I'll qualify that. They've got about $300K left to play with (so far as we know--could be less if they went above $100K on a post-10th rounder other than Sandoval) so technically they could make an offer of $400K to a single draftee or $250K each to two draftees or $200K each to three draftees. Realistically, of the 8 remaining unsigned only 3 are in play at this stage--Matt Bower (#23), James Carter (#27) and Alex Vargas (#39)*. Only 9 days left til the July 17th signing deadline.
*4 if you think the Astros might decide to bump up their previously-rejected offer of $300K to Nick Rivera (#38).
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Unsigned 23rd rounder Matt Bower of Washington State is pitching for the Madison Mallards (http://northwoods.bbstats.pointstreak.com/player.html?playerid=809444&seasonid=29211) of the Northwoods League. Currently 25 K/5 BB in 28 IP.
And 39th rounder Alex Vargas (a Quinnipiac commit) is pitching for the Battle Creek Bombers (http://northwoods.bbstats.pointstreak.com/player.html?playerid=812793&seasonid=29211)in the same league.
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Outstanding, well played. Lots of high quality talent. Crane is certainly willing to spend everything he can to get prospects. The draft along with the international signings has been a considerable chunk of change.
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Outstanding, well player. Lots of high quality talent. Crane is certainly willing to spend everything he can to get prospects. The draft along with the international signings has been a considerable chunk of change.
Well, he's not spending it at the big league level. Not yet anyway.
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Yeah, I'm not ragging on Crane, but come on, this is draft pool money. It's expected, from everyone.
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Yeah, I'm not ragging on Crane, but come on, this is draft pool money. It's expected, from everyone.
I believe they're into penalty tax money now. That's not to be expected.
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Expected? I think 8-10 million is expected. $18M is a significant investment compared to a typical year.
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Although we got off cheap last year and that's part of it too.
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Expected? I think 8-10 million is expected. $18M is a significant investment compared to a typical year.
Seriously? You actually expected Crane to not use his total draft allotment? Like he would just not sign Bregman, Tucker or Cameron to save 3-6 million?
Come on, the guy invested his draft pools, maybe with a small penalty. Probably every other owner did too. Let's give him a gold star.
All sarcasm aside, I just think we should set the bar a little higher than using up your draft pool.
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From the Callis/MLB Pipeline Inbox column (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/135721152/redrafting-the-2010-2005-and-2007-mlb-drafts) today:
Which Astros Draft pick(s) outside of the top 10 rounds should we be on the lookout for who could eventually help the big league club down the line?
-- Michael D., Tomball, Texas
Beyond [11th-rounder Patrick] Sandoval, two more interesting Houston draftees after the 10th round are Rice righty Kevin McCanna (13th) and Arizona State outfielder Johnny Sewald (14th). McCanna mixes four pitches and throws strikes, while Sewald is a center fielder who's similar to former Sun Devil and current Astros farmhand Andrew Aplin.
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From Drellich's draft article today (http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2015/07/09/elias-says-astros-got-optimal-haul-in-2015-following-unfortunate-2014-draft/):
According to a baseball source, the only Astros player after the 10th round to sign for more than $100,000 to this point is high school pitcher Patrick Sandoval...
Partially stating the obvious:
The team isn’t expected to sign any more of its high school draft picks, but could bring in some of its unsigned college players.
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Reading that article, I swear Drellich never misses a chance to stir some shit (i.e. a lot of needless re-dredging of the Aiken debacle).
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Reading that article, I swear Drellich never misses a chance to stir some shit (i.e. a lot of needless re-dredging of the Aiken debacle).
That's called veteran leadership right there - fortunately he was able to learn from the best (JdJO...).
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Seriously. Just waiting for his article about Crane being a racist because he insulted the Hispanic community.
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Reading that article, I swear Drellich never misses a chance to stir some shit (i.e. a lot of needless re-dredging of the Aiken debacle).
Dude never misses a chance to pile on when Appel has a bad outing. Always slow to mention the good outings when he does mention them.
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Seriously? You actually expected Crane to not use his total draft allotment? Like he would just not sign Bregman, Tucker or Cameron to save 3-6 million?
Come on, the guy invested his draft pools, maybe with a small penalty. Probably every other owner did too. Let's give him a gold star.
All sarcasm aside, I just think we should set the bar a little higher than using up your draft pool.
Sure, it's possible they don't use all of it. Plus their allotment is significantly higher than others due to the multiple high picks. It's clear the management team wanted to focus more of the available resources to the draft and player development. Didn't have to be that way. Could have signed free agents and played hard ball on bonuses like Drayton did when the farm died. The money isn't limitless, there are choices to be made, and some will choose to spend less on the draft.
I don't think it's fair to assume everyone would be so aggressive in making sure every dollar was spent.
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I thought about bringing up the Drayton years too, but really JBM is right. Every team spends whatever their draft allotment is these days. Crane spending $18m on 2015 draftees is a good thing but to have done otherwise would simply have been incredibly stupid. And, given the increased awareness of prospects that's come about in recent years, probably caused a huge wave of negative backlash by fans.
Where we'll really see if Crane is committed to funding a consistent winner is if they lock up guys like Correa, Springer, McCullers et al to long-term deals.
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Aye, every team uses their slot values, but not every team is trading for more picks and spending so much internationally.
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With less than 48 hours to go to the deadline, the D-Backs have yet to sign Dansby Swanson. The other 2 unsigned 1st round picks are both Dodger selections: Walker Buehler (#24) and Kyle Funkhouser (#35).
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23rd round pick Matt Bower has been signed (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/article/Wednesday-s-Sports-Transactions-6386726.php). As I noted previously, the lefty pitcher from Washington State had been pitching for the Madison Mallards of the Northwoods League this summer. Finished with a 31/7 strikeout to walk ratio in 34 IP (7 appearances, 6 starts).
As has been noted, he's being assigned to Greeneville.
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With Bower in the fold, that makes 35 of 42 picks signed including the first 23 picks. Also 27 of the first 28 and 33 of the first 35.
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When is the deadline? Friday 6PM CST?
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When is the deadline? Friday 6PM CST?
Friday @ 4 PM CDT.
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With less than 48 hours to go to the deadline, the D-Backs have yet to sign Dansby Swanson. The other 2 unsigned 1st round picks are both Dodger selections: Walker Buehler (#24) and Kyle Funkhouser (#35).
Funkhouser announced on twitter that he's returning to Louisville for senior year.
Buehler and Dodgers apparently have come to a deal (he's also scheduled to undergo TJS).
D-Backs and Swanson (and Casey Close) still negotiating down to the deadline.
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D-Backs and Swanson (and Casey Close) still negotiating down to the deadline.
$6.5MM deal signed at the very last minute.
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SS Nick Shumpert, who early on was considered a potential 1st rounder and ultimately was drafted in the 7th round by Detroit, did not sign with the Tigers. He was a Kentucky commit but has now announced he will be playing at San Jac.
A name to follow for 2016.
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Diamondbacks reportedly underspent their pool by $1.7 million. Embarrassing.
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Diamondbacks reportedly underspent their pool by $1.7 million. Embarrassing.
Casey Close is the new Boras, just not as good at representing his clients.