Jose Abreu Rumor

[toddthebod]

Read on Twitter that Gammons says that Astros and White Sox are talking about an Abreu trade.


 

[BizidyDizidy]

Why?

[Fredia]

for who?

[das]

Why?

+1. What would the benefit to the Astros be?

[BUWebguy]

Here's the video: https://twitter.com/wasteph_wes/status/1009164387066810368

Gammons says the White Sox have been scouting the Astros' organization, leading to speculation [emphasis mine] that the Astros could be interested in Abreu (who they've liked since he came out of Cuba).

[MusicMan]

+1. What would the benefit to the Astros be?

He'd be a substantial power upgrade at 1b, but for prospects plus $13M? No way.

[moriartp]

[standard "if the price is right" caveat] I would be thrilled if they landed Abreu.

[HudsonHawk]

I kinda like the Astros’ 1B outlook. I like Yuli there now and I have a man crush on what I think J D Davis can be in the future.

[MusicMan]

I kinda like the Astros’ 1B outlook. I like Yuli there now and I have a man crush on what I think J D Davis can be in the future.

Not to mention Alvarez potentially coming up.


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[Jacksonian]

I would think any Abreu interest would reflect of a lack of faith in Gattis.

[WVastro]

I would think any Abreu interest would reflect of a lack of faith in Gattis.

The only way I can make sense out of this is moving Yuli to left...?

[Fredia]

if the rumor is true will have to trust it is a part of a greater plan

[geezerdonk]

Slow news day.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

I kinda like the Astros’ 1B outlook. I like Yuli there now and I have a man crush on what I think J D Davis can be in the future.

Down the road Yuli will make someone a fine DH.

[Reuben]

Not to mention Alvarez potentially coming up.


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Not saying they can't move him back to 1B, but Alvarez has played 239 innings in LF this year at CC. He has played 1 inning at 1B. He also played more in LF last year, so it seems like the Astros brass envisions him there. Maybe they see an eventual Alvarez/Springer/Tucker OF, once Reddick leaves in a couple years.

[Jacksonian]

Not saying they can't move him back to 1B, but Alvarez has played 239 innings in LF this year at CC. He has played 1 inning at 1B. He also played more in LF last year, so it seems like the Astros brass envisions him there. Maybe they see an eventual Alvarez/Springer/Tucker OF, once Reddick leaves in a couple years.

In the immediate future they’re looking for versatility.

[Sambito Redux]

I was reading this as more of a lets move Marwin to the strengthen the bench kind of thing after his career year last year.

Am probably wrong as I do not follow as much as many here... but Abreu 1st/DH and Yuli at 1st/3rd and Bregs at 3B/LF --- seems to be aimed at Marwin?  Unless this is a smoke screen and they think they can get Britton and Machado.

Last thing the Orioles want to do is strengthen the Red Sox or Yanks. 

[Nate Colbert]

FWIW, from Nick Cafardo today:

9. Jose Abreu, 1B, White Sox — There’s been a strong flirtation by the Astros with Abreu. While they’re monitoring the bullpen market, they could easily switch gears and pull this off. If they do, according to one scout, “Print the World Series tickets.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/07/07/red-sox-roster-bargains-are-close-turning-tables/kdRcpTlGbAZSZygEBP9OEO/story.html

[austro]

FWIW, from Nick Cafardo today:

9. Jose Abreu, 1B, White Sox — There’s been a strong flirtation by the Astros with Abreu. While they’re monitoring the bullpen market, they could easily switch gears and pull this off. If they do, according to one scout, “Print the World Series tickets.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/07/07/red-sox-roster-bargains-are-close-turning-tables/kdRcpTlGbAZSZygEBP9OEO/story.html

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Who's going to sit (or get traded)? Yuli? Gattis?

[JimR]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Who's going to sit (or get traded)? Yuli? Gattis?

I do not see them trading either. Kaplan said they are focused on the pen if Tucker can hit.

ETA: I’ll set fires if they trade Gurriel.

[TerryPuhl21]

I call bullshit on this. It makes absolutely ZERO sense. Now, if Gattis had not turned the corner or Yuli was struggling, or worse, someone got injured, then perhaps it makes sense. But with the current state of affairs with this team, this would be a stupid move.


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[jbm]

Maybe they are worried about Correa’s health. I doubt it, but that’s the only thing I can think of that would help make sense of this rumor.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

I hate it when reporters say dumb stuff in July. Like, “you can print the World Series now.” It’s like he doesn’t understand how baseball works.

[Nate Colbert]

I hate it when reporters say dumb stuff in July. Like, “you can print the World Series now.” It’s like he doesn’t understand how baseball works.

He was quoting a scout.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

He was quoting a scout.

A cub or boy?

[hostros7]

There are only a few players in baseball that I’d rather see at the plate with men on and the game on the line than Yuli.


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[JimR]

A cub or boy?

Lame

[DVauthrin]

This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Who's going to sit (or get traded)? Yuli? Gattis?

Abreu makes no sense for the Astros now that Gattis has turned his season around.  They could use a good left handed reliever in the pen (Hand or Britton?) or an established closer.  However, Rondon has had success as a closer with the Cubs in the past.   Realmuto would also make some sense, but I wouldn’t expect them to be that active on him until the offseason, once McCann is a free agent.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Lame

Well, it was funny to me, and that what's really important.

Look, all I was attempting to convey was that someone, in July, saying, "print the World Series tickets now," is what is  lame. When it's connected to a trade that doesn't seem necessary it becomes ridiculous. Whether It's scouting or reporting, it is lazy cheap sensationalism and all based on bullshit.

[chuck]

Lame

Webelo average.

[NeilT]

Webelo average.

I thought it was first class.

[JimR]

Webelo average.

Nominated

[JimR]

Well, it was funny to me, and that what's really important.

Look, all I was attempting to convey was that someone, in July, saying, "print the World Series tickets now," is what is  lame. When it's connected to a trade that doesn't seem necessary it becomes ridiculous. Whether It's scouting or reporting, it is lazy cheap sensationalism and all based on bullshit.

It is one scout’s opinion. Not lazy. Not cheap. Not sensationalism. His opinion, which is as valuable as yours. Chill.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

It is one scout’s opinion. Not lazy. Not cheap. Not sensationalism. His opinion, which is as valuable as yours. Chill.

It is a fine example of journalistic sensationalism--presenting information in a way that is intended to provoke public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy. I guess lazy and cheap are subject to individual interpretation.

[Reuben]

It is a fine example of journalistic sensationalism--presenting information in a way that is intended to provoke public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy. I guess lazy and cheap are subject to individual interpretation.

Agreed. The whole idea of the Astros pursuing Abreu makes zero sense. No way can you replace Yuli or Gattis this year.

[JimR]

It is a fine example of journalistic sensationalism--presenting information in a way that is intended to provoke public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy. I guess lazy and cheap are subject to individual interpretation.

What is inaccurate about someone’s opinion? The scout thinks Abreu is who the Astros need. You do’t. BFD.

You have gone over the edge.

[juliogotay]

Agreed. The whole idea of the Astros pursuing Abreu makes zero sense. No way can you replace Yuli or Gattis this year.

Gattis has a significantly higher SLG % than Abreau (.517-.450). I wouldn't even consider taking ABs from Gurriel. I don't get it.

[TerryPuhl21]

Agreed. The whole idea of the Astros pursuing Abreu makes zero sense. No way can you replace Yuli or Gattis this year.

Had a good nights sleep to think about this. I still say, that right now, today, this makes no sense. I can believe however that Luhnow has checked on Abreu because he’s a great GM and great GM’s try to cover all possibilities. Abreu is limited to DH or 1B in my opinion. The DH spot is out because of what Gattis is doing and you can’t really play Evan anywhere else. So that leaves first base. Abreu would make sense at first base if there is some potential issue with Correa health wise. It could be that the Astros are worried that Correa’s injury will be a lingering one. Adding Abreu allows you to put Yuli at third and Bregman at short. Another way that Abreu makes sense at first is if Tucker doesn’t pan out in left. While I’m content with Kemp in left, it could be that the front office thinks we need more thump in the lineup come October. Tucker is being given a chance to see if he can supply that thump. If he can’t, it might make sense to move Yuli to left and put Abreu at first.

Just trying to figure out ways this would make sense.


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[Lefty]

Just trying to figure out ways this would make sense.

I think you pretty much got it.

[TerryPuhl21]

Quick change of subject. What/who did we get back from the Twins for Kemmer?


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[Lefty]

Quick change of subject. What/who did we get back from the Twins for Kemmer?

Straight cash, homie.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

What is inaccurate about someone’s opinion? The scout thinks Abreu is who the Astros need. You do’t. BFD.

You have gone over the edge.

I live over the edge, man. My issue is with the phrase, "you can start printing World Series tickets now." I guess for sake of keeping the scout's opinion accurate, the ballclub should start printing World Series Tickets now. But that would be as dumb as the opinion.

[TerryPuhl21]

Straight cash, homie.

Thanks!


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[JimR]

I live over the edge, man. My issue is with the phrase, "you can start printing World Series tickets now." I guess for sake of keeping the scout's opinion accurate, the ballclub should start printing World Series Tickets now. But that would be as dumb as the opinion.

Unbelievable.

[Lefty]

I live over the edge, man. My issue is with the phrase, "you can start printing World Series tickets now." I guess for sake of keeping the scout's opinion accurate, the ballclub should start printing World Series Tickets now. But that would be as dumb as the opinion.

Blame the journalist if you want, but not the scout for an innocuous out of context hyperbolic comment.

[Reuben]

Blame the journalist if you want, but not the scout for an innocuous out of context hyperbolic comment.

Yeah, it sounds like it could’ve been an off-the-cuff comment from a scout, kinda silly of Cafardo to publish it given the lack of a fit for Abreu in the lineup. You could argue he’s better than both Gattis and Yuli, but you don’t fuck with winning team chemistry and you don’t fix what ain’t broke.

[NeilT]

I live over the edge, man. My issue is with the phrase, "you can start printing World Series tickets now." I guess for sake of keeping the scout's opinion accurate, the ballclub should start printing World Series Tickets now. But that would be as dumb as the opinion.

I’d do a Singleton for Abreu trade in a heartbeat. 

[TerryPuhl21]

I keep mulling this over in my mind and trying to find ways that this would make sense. I’m sure that any move Luhnow makes will not only be with the playoffs in mind, but with next year and beyond as well. If the brass has decided that resigning Marwin in the off season isn’t in the cards for whatever reason, they could slide Yuli into Marwin’s utility role and let Abreu play first next season. Yuli can play left just like Marwin along with any infield position so it isn’t unthinkable. He probably isn’t as good at short but you could play him at third and move Bregman there for a few games if necessary. Yuli is also going to be better than Marwin at the plate in my opinion. The question is how much will it cost to resign Marwin? I have no clue. I’m sure his season at the plate has hurt him some but he has time to turn that around. Would he get the dollars that Abreu is making now or more? Even if he gets less than Abreu’s current AAV, would you rather have Marwin on a long term deal or Abreu for 2019 and then roster flexibility?? I’m not advocating one way or another, just throwing something out there to think about as the deadline approaches.


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[doyce7]

I keep mulling this over in my mind and trying to find ways that this would make sense. I’m sure that any move Luhnow makes will not only be with the playoffs in mind, but with next year and beyond as well. If the brass has decided that resigning Marwin in the off season isn’t in the cards for whatever reason, they could slide Yuli into Marwin’s utility role and let Abreu play first next season. Yuli can play left just like Marwin along with any infield position so it isn’t unthinkable. He probably isn’t as good at short but you could play him at third and move Bregman there for a few games if necessary. Yuli is also going to be better than Marwin at the plate in my opinion. The question is how much will it cost to resign Marwin? I have no clue. I’m sure his season at the plate has hurt him some but he has time to turn that around. Would he get the dollars that Abreu is making now or more? Even if he gets less than Abreu’s current AAV, would you rather have Marwin on a long term deal or Abreu for 2019 and then roster flexibility?? I’m not advocating one way or another, just throwing something out there to think about as the deadline approaches.


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Here's my opinion, from another thread

As for Marwin, if he ends up having numbers anywhere close to what they were last year, the Astros might get priced out of the market. He has a ton of value and teams are going to want to add him and some team(s) will be willing to go pretty high. Ben Zobrist went for 4/56 at age 35. If I'm Marwin, that's what I'm starting at and if I'm the Astros I can't go that high.

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[jbm]

Marvin would likely need many Bregman type weeks to even get within sniffing distance of his numbers last year. 

[TerryPuhl21]

Marvin would likely need many Bregman type weeks to even get within sniffing distance of his numbers last year.

That is true but he is still in line for a huge payday, perhaps more than the Astros could be willing to pay? Who knows?? What Marwin can do is valuable, but if Yuli can do the same thing you could avoid a long term expensive deal by letting him take over that role. Abreu might make sense then if that is the plan. It’s just a thought.


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[Reuben]

Yuli is not going to do what Marwin does. Nor is Tony Kemp, or anyone else on the current roster.

[doyce7]

Yuli is not going to do what Marwin does. Nor is Tony Kemp, or anyone else on the current roster.

There's only a handful of guys in the whole league that can.

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[austro]

Yuli is a 34-year-old man. Any plan that relies on him spending any significant time at a position that requires mobility is flawed.

[TerryPuhl21]

This rumor may not have legs. White Sox may look to keep him.....

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1573465Report: White Sox strongly inclined to hold on to Abreu


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