when do we expect a verdict on luke scott?

[HPFRic]

i was listening to carl dukes... this morning, i guess, and he gave a jury's still out assessment of luke scott in terms of 2007. he's now the second local guy to do so (the other being our BFF, justice).

now, i know; combine both of their baseball IQs, etc., etc... but it did make me wonder if they were maybe getting that vibe from the organization?

so what IS the consensus? just among us? is it rigoddamndiculous for us to expect him to be productive again next year as we move forward and reshape this roster? (not AS productive, of course?)

i see a guy, numbers aside (though they remain impressive and... he just hit a bases-loaded triple!), who seems extremely confident at the plate. he rarely seems to get cheated and it's even rarer for him to look overmatched. and he seems to consistently drive the ball. i felt, btw, none of these things about jason lane last year, if that's, by chance, the reason for the "wait and see..." approach.

personally, i think he?s a lock entering 2007, but am i the only one?

[ValpoCory]

Drayton heard the "Luuuuukes" today.  IMO, he'll be back and in line to start at a corner outfield position.

[JimR]

as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

[JGrave]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

[BudGirl]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

Mentioning attitudes.  Where's Willy?  Is he in a dog house?  hurt?

[JGrave]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

Mentioning attitudes.  Where's Willy?  Is he in a dog house?  hurt?

Hurt. Hammy?

[Jacksonian]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

Mentioning attitudes.  Where's Willy?  Is he in a dog house?  hurt?

Hurt.

[Jacksonian]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

Mentioning attitudes.  Where's Willy?  Is he in a dog house?  hurt?

Hurt. Hammy?

I think the TV guys said shoulder bruise or soreness.

[Jacksonian]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Who plays RF? Lee and Scott would get run on all day if one is in right.

[JimR]

left shoulder, i think.

i'm sure Luke's attitude is fine.

[JGrave]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

Have there been any reports about his attitude since he's been with the big club?

Mentioning attitudes.  Where's Willy?  Is he in a dog house?  hurt?

Hurt. Hammy?

I think the TV guys said shoulder bruise or soreness.

You're right.  I think they said diving for a ball?

[BudGirl]

thanks guys.

[HPFRic]

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how did you feel about Luke last year?

fair point, but i didn't have 170+ ML ABs to base an opinion on.

i mean, this is 2 solid months of ridiculous production on top of a .900+ OPS over the last 2 years in NO. i don't see how he hasn't earned a spot at this paticular time.

[pravata]

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thanks guys.

9/18 Astros Notes,

Including Monday, Willy Taveras missed two consecutive games due to a sore left shoulder he suffered on a diving catch about a week ago.
The discomfort was bearable, but he made it worse while sliding into first base during the recent series with the Phillies, which necessitated extra rest.
"I've been sore the last two days after I slid into first," he said. "It was feeling better, but that made it worse."
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The slide was, I think, in game 2, head first trying to get under Howard stretching for a wild throw.  He was out.

[mihoba]

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.900+ OPS over the last 2 years in NO.

Stick with football. Has Scott ever played in NO?

I am kidding, of course. I know you meant RR.

[JimR]

he was given the job twice last year and did nothing. NO?? Round Rock!!!!

he has been great, but i think caution is warranted.

[HPFRic]

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he was given the job twice last year and did nothing. NO?? Round Rock!!!!

right; RR. and given? he certainly earned in it ST last year. i don't remember there being a second time... when was that?

regardless, he looks like a completely different player this year. 180.

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he has been great, but i think caution is warranted.

ok, so let's say we've signed lee and resigned huff for reasonable costs, and then tim p gets a call from made-up baseball player guy. he's in his late 20s, has gap power, has an .800-.850 OPS over a 3-4 year career and he's going to cost you.... $7M-$10M/year. but you're flush with bagwell/clemens/pettitte cash, so $$ for this exercise is not necessarily an object.

do you sign the guy, or pass because you have scott? i guess that's the real question.

[JimR]

given=turned over to him. late in the year after his callup was #2

i think he has the job until he proves this was a fluke. he's earned it, imo.

[jbm]

Y'all got me looking at Scott's career stats.  I was surprised that he didn't start pro ball until 24.  Was he on a Morman mission, or what accounted for his late start?

[jbm]

 

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ok, so let's say we've signed lee and resigned huff for reasonable costs, and then tim p gets a call from made-up baseball player guy. he's in his late 20s, has gap power, has an .800-.850 OPS over a 3-4 year career and he's going to cost you.... $7M-$10M/year. but you're flush with bagwell/clemens/pettitte cash, so $$ for this exercise is not necessarily an object.

do you sign the guy, or pass because you have scott? i guess that's the real question.  

IMO, unless Drayton really expands the budget, TP would be a dumbass to spend 7 - 10 mill to "upgrade" a very inexpensive producer like Luke Scott.  Use that money to get some arms.

[mihoba]

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Y'all got me looking at Scott's career stats.  I was surprised that he didn't start pro ball until 24.  Was he on a Morman mission, or what accounted for his late start?

The Astros got him and Willy T from the Injuns for the ROOKIE 15 GAME WINNER.

Edit: He went to Oklahoma State, drafted in 2001, 9th round.

[ASTROCREEP]

You can sign Lee, Vernon Wells AND start Scott.
At the expense of Willy.

Biggo    2nd
Wells    CF
Berkman  1st
Lee      LF
Huff     3rd
Scott    RF
Everett  SS
Ausmus   C

[Froback]

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You can sign Lee, Vernon Wells AND start Scott.
At the expense of Willy.

Biggo    2nd
Wells    CF
Berkman  1st
Lee      LF
Huff     3rd
Scott    RF
Everett  SS
Ausmus   C

I'll buy that for a dollar!

[HPFRic]

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IMO, unless Drayton really expands the budget, TP would be a dumbass to spend 7 - 10 mill to "upgrade" a very inexpensive producer like Luke Scott.  Use that money to get some arms.

view it in a vacuum. it's an excercise.

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You can sign Lee, Vernon Wells...

wells isn't a FA.

[WulawHorn]

Hard call.  I'd like to see Luke get a shot over a full season, but I think you need a solid 4th OF type ready to step in.  Maybe if they resign Huff and keep Ensberg so that they have some insurance. Along with a Carlos Lee addition.  Or maybe a 1b with Berkman to the OF as a back up plan.  A Sean Casey type perhaps (not that he's great, just probably will be working cheap and it would be a plan B- if not a great one).

[toddthebod]

They don't need a Sean Casey type.  A platoon of House and a resigned Lamb would work real well at 1st with Berkman back in left field.

I like Wells too.  But he isn't a free agent.  The Astros would have to give up a ton to get him from the Jays.

[JimR]

House? have you seen him play? you're giving him 1B and putting Berkman in the OF? crazy talk.

Lamb is signed, i think.

[BudGirl]

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House? have you seen him play? you're giving him 1B and putting Berkman in the OF? crazy talk.

Lamb is signed, i think.

1 year/$1.7M (2006)

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Unless he signed recently for 2007, he's not.

[HudsonHawk]

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Y'all got me looking at Scott's career stats.  I was surprised that he didn't start pro ball until 24.  Was he on a Morman mission, or what accounted for his late start?

He was 22 when he was drafted and signed with Cleveland.  Not really ancient for a college senior.

[Frobie]

My verdict on Luke Scott is that his Strat-O-Matic card next year is going to rock.

[Greg D]

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Y'all got me looking at Scott's career stats.  I was surprised that he didn't start pro ball until 24.  Was he on a Morman mission, or what accounted for his late start?

Even though he was drafted in 2001, he didn't play that year after having TJ surgery.

[strosrays]

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i was listening to carl dukes...

I'm trying to think, in the entire history of Western Civilization, if a post was ever begun with a more dubious line than this one.

Maybe 'I have had my IQ tested and... ', but that's about the only competition I can think of.

[JaneDoe]

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i was listening to carl dukes...

I'm trying to think, in the entire history of Western Civilization, if a post was ever begun with a more dubious line than this one.

Maybe 'I have had my IQ tested and... ', but that's about the only competition I can think of.

Maybe... "I was reading Richard Justice"?

[EasTexAstro]

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i was listening to carl dukes...

I'm trying to think, in the entire history of Western Civilization, if a post was ever begun with a more dubious line than this one.

Maybe 'I have had my IQ tested and... ', but that's about the only competition I can think of.

Maybe... "I was reading Richard Justice"?

 

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I grew up a Braves fan through the rough 70's and 80's...

OK, maybe not, but in the next level down.

[Golden Sombrero]

Arrange a trade with the Yanks for A-Rod.  After that article that broke in SI he's going to want out.  Get Lee and we'll be in business.  /pipe dream

[utastro]

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Arrange a trade with the Yanks for A-Rod.  After that article that broke in SI he's going to want out.  Get Lee and we'll be in business.  /pipe dream

With that offense, Roger might beg to come back for $22 million of course.

[David in Jackson]

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as you prepare to reshape the roster, how did you feel about Luke last year? that is why there are questions, but i agree that he should start ST in the mix for a starting.

my druthers: resign Huff, sign Carlos Lee, trade Ensberg, Lane and maybe Lidge if Nieve is ready to close.

I thought starting Luke Scott in the opening day lineup last season was crazy (after half a season of AA, based on his ST).  However, now he's now had the better part of two years at AAA and a good two-month run in the majors.  He deserves a fair shot, just like Lane got (and promptly blew - twice)

[ValpoCory]

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The Astros got him and Willy T from the Injuns for the ROOKIE 15 GAME WINNER.

Here is baseball-reference.com's understanding of how Luke Scott and Willy T went from Cle to Hou:

Luke Scott:
"March 31, 2004: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Houston Astros for Jeriome Robertson. "

Willy Taveras:
"December 15, 2003: Drafted by the Houston Astros from the Cleveland Indians in the 2003 rule V draft."

[ValpoCory]

Luke Scott is working an 0-for-the Cardinals series, including a huge K with the tying run on 3rd and 1 out in the 8th.

That hurt.  Especially since Mike Lamb couldn't pick him up.

[HudsonHawk]

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The Astros got him and Willy T from the Injuns for the ROOKIE 15 GAME WINNER.

Here is baseball-reference.com's understanding of how Luke Scott and Willy T went from Cle to Hou:

Luke Scott:
"March 31, 2004: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Houston Astros for Jeriome Robertson. "

Willy Taveras:
"December 15, 2003: Drafted by the Houston Astros from the Cleveland Indians in the 2003 rule V draft."

Taveras was selected in the Rule 5 draft, but his rights were then included in the Jeriome Robertson deal.

[JimR]

Willy T was not going to make the club out of ST so they traded for him. Scott was in the deal too.

[VirtualBob]

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The Astros got him and Willy T from the Injuns for the ROOKIE 15 GAME WINNER.

Here is baseball-reference.com's understanding of how Luke Scott and Willy T went from Cle to Hou:

Luke Scott:
"March 31, 2004: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Houston Astros for Jeriome Robertson. "

Willy Taveras:
"December 15, 2003: Drafted by the Houston Astros from the Cleveland Indians in the 2003 rule V draft."

Taveras was selected in the Rule 5 draft, but his rights were then included in the Jeriome Robertson deal.

Exactly.  Which is why WT was able to spend the '04 season at Round Rock rather than being returned to the Indians when he failed to stick with the Astros.