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General Discussion => Beer and Queso => Topic started by: 94CougarGrad on December 13, 2010, 01:15:15 pm
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A member of the Jets' coaching staff purposely tripped up a Dolphins cornerback during their game. Really? How old is he? My prank-happy kids wouldn't even do that.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Jets-employee-trips-Dolphins-player-durin?urn=nfl-294916
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A member of the Jets' coaching staff purposely tripped up a Dolphins cornerback during their game. Really? How old is he? My prank-happy kids wouldn't even do that.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-Jets-employee-trips-Dolphins-player-durin?urn=nfl-294916
Rex Ryan is such a douchebag that he probably put the assistant coach up to it.
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Rex Ryan is such a douchebag that he probably put the assistant coach up to it.
No, but douchbaggery begins at the top.
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Is it a coincidence that the tripper looks exactly like Brucie from GTA 4?
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Suspended the rest of the season and fined $25k (which is probably a huge fine for him)
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Suspended the rest of the season and fined $25k (which is probably a huge fine for him)
Oh yeah it is. I had a college buddy that was asst S&C for the Cowboys and left to go to Texas Tech. Never talked numbers, but he mentioned the money was not all that great in the NFL (for that position at least).
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Now suspended indefinitely because it was apparently pre-meditated, not spur-of-the-moment.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Sal-Alosi-s-devious-act-was-not-a-coincidence?urn=nfl-296526
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Now suspended indefinitely because it was apparently pre-meditated, not spur-of-the-moment.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Sal-Alosi-s-devious-act-was-not-a-coincidence?urn=nfl-296526
The "human wall" of inactive players on the sidelines was definitely pre-meditated. I refuse to believe that Ryan knew nothing about that. This guy looks as much like a scapegoat as a dumbass. Fuck him.
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The "human wall" of inactive players on the sidelines was definitely pre-meditated. I refuse to believe that Ryan knew nothing about that. This guy looks as much like a scapegoat as a dumbass. Fuck him.
That part I'm perfectly fine with
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That part I'm perfectly fine with
I agree 100%, sticking the knee out into the field of play is the only chicken shit part I see here.
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I agree 100%, sticking the knee out into the field of play is the only chicken shit part I see here.
Watch the replay. There was a definite "wall" of inactive players right on the sideline, which could have had the effect of forcing the gunner to go around them, thereby slowing his pursuit of the returner. In my opinion, that can't be a coincidence, and it is certainly something that I wouldn't put past asshat Rex Ryan. However, the S&C coach's decision to stick his knee out was just stupid. He thought that he'd get away that? If he thought that, I've got to get up there quickly to sell him a deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.
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Watch the replay. There was a definite "wall" of inactive players right on the sideline, which could have had the effect of forcing the gunner to go around them, thereby slowing his pursuit of the returner. In my opinion, that can't be a coincidence, and it is certainly something that I wouldn't put past asshat Rex Ryan.
What's wrong with that? Aren't they allowed to stand there?
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What's wrong with that? Aren't they allowed to stand there?
I don't know if there is a specific rule on it. Obviously, the return team is trying to drive the gunners out of bounds. It just struck me (and others, like the Jets front office, who blamed that on the assistant coach and suspended him indefinitely after the first disciplinary action, i.e., the fine and suspension) as really suspect.
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I don't know if there is a specific rule on it. Obviously, the return team is trying to drive the gunners out of bounds. It just struck me (and others, like the Jets front office, who blamed that on the assistant coach and suspended him indefinitely after the first disciplinary action, i.e., the fine and suspension) as really suspect.
There is not a rule, nor should there be one. They are out of the field of play. The gunner doesn't need to be 2+ yards out of bounds (he's already given several) and being so is an unfair advantage for him. If anything, they're keeping him honest.
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There is not a rule, nor should there be one. They are out of the field of play. The gunner doesn't need to be 2+ yards out of bounds (he's already given several) and being so is an unfair advantage for him. If anything, they're keeping him honest.
again, my thoughts exactly.
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There is not a rule, nor should there be one. They are out of the field of play. The gunner doesn't need to be 2+ yards out of bounds (he's already given several) and being so is an unfair advantage for him. If anything, they're keeping him honest.
If the gunner ran out of bounds on his own, then I guess you'd be right, but if the return team is purposely forcing the gunner into or behind the wall, then it becomes a chickenshit move. The Jets aren't the only team that does it, the Patriots are well known for the practice as well. The fact that the Jets are rolling this jagoff under the bus is a sign that this practice is not widely accepted by the league.
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If the gunner ran out of bounds on his own, then I guess you'd be right, but if the return team is purposely forcing the gunner into or behind the wall, then it becomes a chickenshit move. The Jets aren't the only team that does it, the Patriots are well known for the practice as well. The fact that the Jets are rolling this jagoff under the bus is a sign that this practice is not widely accepted by the league.
As a defender, or on the return team, you're taught to use the sideline as another player. Of course you want to wedge the gunner against, or into the sideline. I hear what you're saying, though, about the Jets taking the suspension further. To your point, apparently others who would know much more than I agree that it's inappropriate, I just don't yet understand how it is. Hopefully someone will better explain what they thought was wrong (other than the knee of course) with lining the guys up on the sideline to keep the gunner from taking advantage of the sideline.
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If the gunner ran out of bounds on his own, then I guess you'd be right, but if the return team is purposely forcing the gunner into or behind the wall, then it becomes a chickenshit move. The Jets aren't the only team that does it, the Patriots are well known for the practice as well. The fact that the Jets are rolling this jagoff under the bus is a sign that this practice is not widely accepted by the league.
Every defender uses the sideline. One of the first things a CB is taught is to use the sideline as a second defender. BUT, once you have blocked or forced your guy out of the field of play, you must allow him to return (you cannot maintain a block out of bounds or impede progress back onto the field of play) or you will face the same 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. With the 1265 people that roam the sidelines in the NFL, it is not like they ever have a "clear" path anyway. Also, watch closely...the defender will get "blocked" out of bounds rather easiley then get back to the playing field in the most descriminate non-direct manner possible (sprinting just outside the boundry for as long as they can without getting a flag). Both sides push the envelope of legality when it comes to using the boundry.
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As a defender, or on the return team, you're taught to use the sideline as another player. Of course you want to wedge the gunner against, or into the sideline. I hear what you're saying, though, about the Jets taking the suspension further. To your point, apparently others who would know much more than I agree that it's inappropriate, I just don't yet understand how it is. Hopefully someone will better explain what they thought was wrong (other than the knee of course) with lining the guys up on the sideline to keep the gunner from taking advantage of the sideline.
The gunner is not allowed to go out of bounds on his own and if he's forced out, then he must get back into the field of play asap. If he doesn't get back in bounds fast enough, then it's a 15 yard penalty. So, there is something already in place to keep the gunner from using the sideline to his advantage.
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The gunner is not allowed to go out of bounds on his own and if he's forced out, then he must get back into the field of play asap. If he doesn't get back in bounds fast enough, then it's a 15 yard penalty. So, there is something already in place to keep the gunner from using the sideline to his advantage.
Yet a wall of guys legally standing in their well defined bench space several yards out of bounds is somehow effective...
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Yet a wall of guys legally standing in their well defined bench space several yards out of bounds is somehow effective...
It can be if the gunner allows himself to get pushed that far out of bounds.
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It can be if the gunner allows himself to get pushed that far out of bounds.
ever wonder why gunners never use an inside release? They want to be blocked out so they can gain seperation on the blockers on the way back inbounds. They are coached to use that grey area just as much as the defenders.
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Every defender uses the sideline. One of the first things a CB is taught is to use the sideline as a second defender. BUT, once you have blocked or forced your guy out of the field of play, you must allow him to return (you cannot maintain a block out of bounds or impede progress back onto the field of play) or you will face the same 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Right. The wall impedes the progress of the gunner to get back in bounds, hence the use of it.
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ever wonder why gunners never use an inside release? They want to be blocked out so they can gain seperation on the blockers on the way back inbounds. They are coached to use that grey area just as much as the defenders.
Well, it's not the only reason, but they definitely push the boundries( pun intended) of what's legal.
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Well, it's not the only reason, but they definitely push the boundries( pun intended) of what's legal.
yeah, it would be much harder to have the TE in the formation cover outside contain after taking care of his blocking responsibilities. That, and you are substituting an outside small guy in an interior lane with a slower inside guy on the outside lane. Not exactly like crossing L2 and R2 in kickoff coverage...
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Can we at least all agree that this is another reason (not that we need one) to call Rex Ryan an asshat?
I don't know about all the out-of-bounds rules... I just thought the tripping was chickenshit. Lining a wall of people up on the sidelines with the purpose of tripping someone from the opposite team is more chickenshit.
One thing that did make me half-smirk-half-smile when I originally saw this story... it made me think of Billy Clyde Puckett and his constant referrals to the "dogass Jets."
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Lining a wall of people up on the sidelines with the purpose of tripping someone from the opposite team is more chickenshit.
That's not what happened. So, no. We can't.
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That's not what happened. So, no. We can't.
That's what it sounded like in the news story I read before I posted about the guy's bigger punishment, is all. I've broadened my horizons.