Author Topic: Astros set to get pitcher Jon Garland from White Sox (Read 17560 times)

Greg · « **on:** December 07, 2006, 11:32:56 am »

toddthebod · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:35:47 am »

I guess this means that Pettitte can return to his beloved Yankmees, causing NY sportswriters to simultaneously splooge all over their laptops. Fuck you Andy. Don't forget to close the door on the way out.

pravata · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:36:30 am »

Quote:

The Link

Garland is a fa after 2008.

hostros7 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:39:08 am »

I just hope the Astros aren't trading a top pitching prospect. He is an inning eater, but his ERA always flirts with 5.

Ty in Tampa · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:39:28 am »

Or he could decide to take the Astros' offer and stay, if the offer is still there.

JimR · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:39:49 am »

if he goes back to NYY for money, indeed fuck him. he pitched well one year out of three here.

Foghorn · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:41:30 am »

Ensberg going to the Sox so they can trade Crede?

Froback · « **Reply #8 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:42:32 am »

Is Garland a #2?

So a rotation (assuming this is true)
Oswalt
Garland
Williams
Hirsh

??

And if/when DQ comes back he moves into to #2 slot?

BUWebguy · « **Reply #9 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:44:19 am »

Chron now says its Garland for Taveras and Buchholz.

hostros7 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:44:38 am »

Agreed. But even a 4 ERA won't give you 18 wins for the Astros, if the last few years are any indication. Maybe El Caballo can help reverse that trend.

Fuck, Roy / Garland/ AP / Woody / Hirsh, (Clemens), Sampson sure sounds nice. I hope Andy doesn't turn out to be a twatwaffle.

das · « **Reply #13 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:47:40 am »

Does DQ come back with his best friend up north?

toddthebod · « **Reply #16 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:49:25 am »

Jim. Unless I totally misjudge Drayton (which I have admittedly done before), I don't believe that the Astros would take on both Garland's and Pettitte's salaries.

If the Astros have made this trade, they must believe that Pettitte is going to take the Yankees' $15 million offer.

In light of the fact that Pettitte's family is here and that the Astros have been at least as competitive as the Yankees have been over the past few years, the only reason that I can see Pettitte going back to the Yankees is the additional money. Therefore, Fuck Pettitte.

toddthebod · « **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:51:53 am »

Please, please, please, let the Astros be making a serious under the radar push for Rocco.

JimR · « **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:51:56 am »

you're still living that myth, right todd? Drayton wants to win the WS. see Lee, Carlos

Jacksonian · « **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:53:11 am »

Has Cashman confirmed that the Yanks have offered Pettitte 15 mil?

Froback · « **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:54:03 am »

I guess this would also move Biggio back to the lead-off role? Maybe Burke if he is playing CF.

S.P. Rodriguez · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:55:40 am »

Or, with this trade, replace Pettitte with a comparable, if not somewhat better, pitcher at half the cost so they can actually re-sign Huff. I don't mind seeing Pettitte leave if this goes down. I just hope they add one more bat to help with the offense.

Oswalt
Garland
Williams
Clemens ?? Has to be in doubt if Pettitte goes elsewhere.
Hirsh/Albers - if Buchholtz is going north.

I like that rotation.

pravata · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:56:08 am »

context from Phil Rogers, Chicago Tribune

Before the White Sox traded Garcia to the Phillies for failed No. 4 overall draft pick Gavin Floyd (a project in a 6-foot-4-inch package) and left-hander Gio Gonzalez--the key guy in the deal, from this perspective--they essentially drew a line in the sand with their entire five-man starting rotation--a childish reaction to the rising salaries of pitchers.

Having inhaled their cigars and digested the developments, Williams declared his club has no plans to extend the contracts of Mark Buehrle beyond 2007 or Jon Garland, Jose Contreras and Javier Vazquez beyond 2008.

In other words between now and Opening Day 2009, the Sox either will trade or lose to free agency every member of the starting rotation, including the four guys who won a World Series 14 months ago. Are these guys nuts?

Link

JaneDoe · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:58:07 am »

Just curious--would you guys have rather had Jason Jennings over Garland or vice versa? Is Taveras and Buchholz a steep price for either of them?

toddthebod · « **Reply #30 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:59:18 am »

As I said Jim, I have been wrong about Drayton many times. If Drayton is going to pay the money to get Pettitte as well -- great -- and I will have been wrong again. But some of the newspaper reports over the past few days have said that the Hendricks brothers were told by Purpura that if the Astros made a deal for another pitcher, they would not be signing Andy Pettitte. I have a hard time believing that Drayton would pay Oswalt, Garland (owed $22 million over the next two seasons), AND Pettitte (particularly if they still hope to get Roger back for some of the season).

Jacksonian · « **Reply #35 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:01:44 pm »

Anyone know Garland's salary situation for 2007?

toddthebod · « **Reply #37 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:02:50 pm »

$10 million for next year, $12 million for 2008.

hostros7 · « **Reply #40 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:03:13 pm »

$10 million 2007 / $12 million 2008

Froback · « **Reply #41 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:04:52 pm »

This contract also takes him through his last arbitration years, so he will be a FA at the end of the contract.

JimR · « **Reply #43 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:05:03 pm »

so far, it looks like everything has come from the Hendricks Bros.

Froback · « **Reply #50 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:11:44 pm »

But just looking at the money in the rotation:
Oswalt: $13 Mil
Williams: $6 Mil
Garland: $10 Mil
Pettitte???: $12 Mil
Hirsh: Min

That would be $29 Mil up to $41 Mil, and maybe even more if DQ plays.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #51 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:12:22 pm »

FWIW, a friend in Houston just e-mailed me that Berkman was on 610 a few minutes ago, saying that Pettitte is one of his best friends on the team and that he (Berkman) thinks AP is gone to NY, and that Clemens will follow.

BUstrosFAN · « **Reply #54 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:23:41 pm »

Rosenthal's article says Hirsh is rumored to be included in the deal as well. Link

Deal breaker?

BUWebguy · « **Reply #56 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:25:49 pm »

Rosenthal: "White Sox general manager Ken Williams said no deal was close..."

JDJO: "The deal was close, according to Tal Smith, the Astros? president of baseball operations. It will be announced shortly at Walt Disney's Swan and Dolphin Resort this morning."

toddthebod · « **Reply #60 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:45:52 pm »

Watch, now the Astros won't get either Garland or Pettitte.

This has the potential to work out very badly.

Alkie · « **Reply #61 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:53:35 pm »

Let me get this right...trading Hirsh, Buchholz, and WillyT was TOO MUCH for even Dontrelle, but it's ok for JON GARLAND?? (I'm not aiming this at the posters here).

Jon GARLAND? Seriously? This sounds like a terrible trade, if for no other reason than you'd think we'd be better off hanging on to those guys to trade for someone else.

I don't like it. I don't HAVE to. But I don't like it.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #63 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:55:39 pm »

All these rumors are getting as fetid and stale as recycled air on a plane.

JimR · « **Reply #65 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:56:24 pm »

Alkie, the deal is off apparently. i'm sure we said no to Hirsch.

Bob Sakamano · « **Reply #67 on:** December 07, 2006, 12:57:48 pm »

I'm not sure what this front office is thinking. Maybe the White Sox did some dirty things, but if not, I'm very disappointed. You never, ever say a deal is close (a statement from the front office) unless it's agreed to by both parties. Now, if this doesn't work out, you potentially have angered Willy, Buchholz, Pettitte and Hirsh. Maybe the White Sox screwed us here, but if not, I'm disappointed in Smith's quote.

Bob Sakamano · « **Reply #74 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:03:24 pm »

No, it's one thing when the Chronicle has sources that say it. Unless you're thinking this is fabricated.

The deal was close, according to Tal Smith, the Astros? president of baseball operations.

The Chronicle didn't say it. Tal Smith said it. As for comparing it to Oswalt, that's a very different situation. The front office didn't go out and confirm that.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #76 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:08:19 pm »

This smells like a mis-direction, a smokescreen if you will.

Bob Sakamano · « **Reply #77 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:08:49 pm »

Now there's a report on the White Sox board that Peter Gammons is reporting that Kenny Williams is returning to the meetings and Houston plans to announce the deal.

I don't have any clue what's going on.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #88 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:18:01 pm »

The Link

11:50 a.m., from Jayson Stark

A deal between the Astros and White Sox that would send Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz to Chicago for Jon Garland has hit a snag.

BUWebguy · « **Reply #89 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:18:06 pm »

ESPN's Day 4 Buzz just went up, and includes this:

11:50 a.m., from Jayson Stark
? A deal between the Astros and White Sox that would send Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz to Chicago for Jon Garland has hit a snag.

Matt · « **Reply #90 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:21:00 pm »

A 6'8 snag apparently

No? in Austin · « **Reply #91 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:23:39 pm »

Maybe the ChiSox want the Astros to include Lastings Milledge in the deal somehow. At least that is how the New York Media would report it.

Arky Vaughan · « **Reply #92 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:25:05 pm »

In related news, WTF is this?

"McLane should step up and let Pettitte know he's important to the Astros. He should do it today. Don't wait. Don't dally. Andy Pettitte is worth at least $16 million. Period. If the Yankees are willing to pay him $17 million, then the Astros should offer $18 million."

The Link

WARNING: PINWHEEL LINK. YOU MAY BECOME DUMBER FOR READING THIS.

cougar · « **Reply #98 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:57:39 pm »

So, no matter WHAT the Yankmes offer, the Astros should offer more? I take it Justice never took a business of finanace class in college (assuming he didn't get his journalism degree out of a box of Cracker Jacks or Rice Crispies).

I may be stating the obvious, but man Pinwheel is a dumbshit.

JaneDoe · « **Reply #99 on:** December 07, 2006, 01:58:13 pm »

If Pettitte wants 18 million, sign Zito.

EasTexAstro · « **Reply #101 on:** December 07, 2006, 02:22:06 pm »

12:59 p.m., from Jayson Stark
? The White Sox-Astros deal that had Jon Garland going to Houston for Willy Taveras and Taylor Buchholz has no chance of happening as it has been reported. White Sox GM Kenny Williams said that he can't trade a second starter unless he gets two major pieces in return.

toddthebod · « **Reply #108 on:** December 07, 2006, 03:38:15 pm »

The Link

Interesting article from Bill Madden. Says that everything about the Pettitte negotiations has come right from the Hendricks Bros. I read the article as suggesting that Pettitte wants to pitch for the Astros not the Yankees and he is just trying to up the price -- to "shame" Drayton into offering more money.

Froback · « **Reply #121 on:** December 07, 2006, 05:15:39 pm »

Anyone else wondering why the Astros are not pursuing (or at least asking about) Mulder?

I know he is not going to be available early in the year, and there is risk associated with him, but the guy was really good before his workload resulted in his injuries. And given the price some teams are asking, maybe he might be the best person to go after.

Especially if Andy takes his ball and heads back to the Yankmes.

Astroholic · « **Reply #125 on:** December 07, 2006, 06:15:04 pm »

good to be the king!

JimR · « **Reply #131 on:** December 07, 2006, 07:02:12 pm »

curb the hysteria. nothing has been said so far that did not come from Team Racket.

i think he stays.

toddthebod · « **Reply #134 on:** December 07, 2006, 07:22:04 pm »

Not to revisit nasty rumors, but when Andy first came to the Astros, there a published blurb that he had had an affair and his wife basically insisted that he leave NY? If this was the case, why would his wife suddenly agree to let him go back to NY? Scroll down to the bottom of this link for the limited details.

web page

Of course, another alternative is that the article/rumor was bullshit when it was first printed and, consequently, this would not be any reason why Mrs. Pettitte would not want Andy to return to New York.

JimR · « **Reply #135 on:** December 07, 2006, 07:37:23 pm »

a new low in the TZ.

toddthebod · « **Reply #136 on:** December 08, 2006, 12:28:39 am »

Jim, I totally agree. There have been way too many fart, acne, and glow in the dark condom references on the TZ today. Definitely a new low.

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