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Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« on: October 10, 2005, 03:33:57 pm »
I want to send out a big thank you to everyone who contributed to the Minor League Reports forum in our first season.  This has been an even bigger success than we anticipated.  Please don't stop posting information and asking questions.  You are the lifeblood of MLR.

We're going to keep this thread open for the duration of the off-season, and restart the weekly threads next season.  The Astros have players in the Arizona Fall League and will have more in the various fall and winter leagues.  So keep an eye out for what's going on there.

Again, a huge thank you to all our contributors and readers!
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2005, 05:45:45 pm »
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Again, a huge thank you to all our contributors and readers!





No, Thank YOU!

Any idea if and when you will have a season recap in Minor Opinions?
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2005, 05:51:04 pm »
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No, Thank YOU!

Any idea if and when you will have a season recap in Minor Opinions?





I wasn't thinking of doing one.  You freaks covered the season and all the teams so damned well I don't think I could add anything useful.
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2005, 12:47:07 pm »
I have updated my spreadsheet of the Astros Minor league stats for the last couple of years... Some stats go back as far as 2000, but I don't promise comprehensive stuff past the 2003 or so.

PM me if you want a copy of it.

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2005, 06:19:27 pm »
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No, Thank YOU!

Any idea if and when you will have a season recap in Minor Opinions?





Exactly...thanks for all your insite Jacksonian.

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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2005, 07:37:59 am »
any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!

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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2005, 04:28:42 pm »
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any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!




I tried that.  To be honest, there are so many possibilities, that before next year, there's no way to tell as far as the position players go.  A few will be obvious; you can probably guess those.

The rotations might be a little easier to guess or at least provide the possibilities as they stand today:

RR- Hernandez, Buchholz, Gothreaux, Nieve, McLemore, Hirsh, Sampson

CC- Muecke, Talbot, Albers, Douglass, Shortell

Salem- Patton, Gutierrez, Barthmaier, Martinez, Englebrook, Reineke, Bogusevic

Lexington- Paulino, Bogusevic, McKeller, Arguello, Davis, James, Severino
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2005, 04:56:01 pm »
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any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!




I tried that.  To be honest, there are so many possibilities, that before next year, there's no way to tell as far as the position players go.  A few will be obvious; you can probably guess those.

The rotations might be a little easier to guess or at least provide the possibilities as they stand today:

RR- Hernandez, Buchholz, Gothreaux, Nieve, McLemore, Hirsh, Sampson

CC- Muecke, Talbot, Albers, Douglass, Shortell

Salem- Patton, Gutierrez, Barthmaier, Martinez, Englebrook, Reineke, Bogusevic

Lexington- Paulino, Bogusevic, McKeller, Arguello, Davis, James, Severino





Patton in Salem? Are the Astros really going to be that slow moving these guys up?

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2005, 05:05:07 pm »
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any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!




I tried that.  To be honest, there are so many possibilities, that before next year, there's no way to tell as far as the position players go.  A few will be obvious; you can probably guess those.

The rotations might be a little easier to guess or at least provide the possibilities as they stand today:

RR- Hernandez, Buchholz, Gothreaux, Nieve, McLemore, Hirsh, Sampson

CC- Muecke, Talbot, Albers, Douglass, Shortell

Salem- Patton, Gutierrez, Barthmaier, Martinez, Englebrook, Reineke, Bogusevic

Lexington- Paulino, Bogusevic, McKeller, Arguello, Davis, James, Severino




Patton in Salem? Are the Astros really going to be that slow moving these guys up?




Kid spent part of last season injured and threw only 41 innings at Salem.  Also, where they start isn't always where they finish.  Further, these are my guesses before winter ball begins.

Look at the guys in RR and CC.  The talent has started to reach the upper minors again.
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2005, 06:03:26 pm »
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any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!




I tried that.  To be honest, there are so many possibilities, that before next year, there's no way to tell as far as the position players go.  A few will be obvious; you can probably guess those.

The rotations might be a little easier to guess or at least provide the possibilities as they stand today:

RR- Hernandez, Buchholz, Gothreaux, Nieve, McLemore, Hirsh, Sampson

CC- Muecke, Talbot, Albers, Douglass, Shortell

Salem- Patton, Gutierrez, Barthmaier, Martinez, Englebrook, Reineke, Bogusevic

Lexington- Paulino, Bogusevic, McKeller, Arguello, Davis, James, Severino




Patton in Salem? Are the Astros really going to be that slow moving these guys up?




Kid spent part of last season injured and threw only 41 innings at Salem.  Also, where they start isn't always where they finish.  Further, these are my guesses before winter ball begins.

Look at the guys in RR and CC.  The talent has started to reach the upper minors again.




I wouldn't be suprised if Ryan Mitchell is in Lexington, he has really good stuff.  Might not start there but I think will be there before the year is out.  Again where you start isn't always where you finish.
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2005, 06:08:26 pm »
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Look at the guys in RR and CC.  The talent has started to reach the upper minors again.




As it relates to pitching I agree. I am not so sure about the postition players.

The system still appears to lack depth in the batters box at the upper levels. I haven't seen most of the players actually play so this could easily be wrong.

I see and read about a lot of pitchers in our system that could possibly come up next year and make an immediate contribution but very few position players.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2005, 06:16:22 pm »
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Look at the guys in RR and CC.  The talent has started to reach the upper minors again.




As it relates to pitching I agree. I am not so sure about the postition players.

The system still appears to lack depth in the batters box at the upper levels. I haven't seen most of the players actually play so this could easily be wrong.

I see and read about a lot of pitchers in our system that could possibly come up next year and make an immediate contribution but very few position players.





You are right there.  Notice I did only provide and refer to the pitching lists.  Also, I expect Pence and Zobrist to be at CC in 06.  We'll see how Anderson does in AAA.
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2005, 06:21:58 pm »
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any wild stab at what the A, AA, and AAA rosters will be next year?!




I tried that.  To be honest, there are so many possibilities, that before next year, there's no way to tell as far as the position players go.  A few will be obvious; you can probably guess those.

The rotations might be a little easier to guess or at least provide the possibilities as they stand today:

RR- Hernandez, Buchholz, Gothreaux, Nieve, McLemore, Hirsh, Sampson

CC- Muecke, Talbot, Albers, Douglass, Shortell

Salem- Patton, Gutierrez, Barthmaier, Martinez, Englebrook, Reineke, Bogusevic

Lexington- Paulino, Bogusevic, McKeller, Arguello, Davis, James, Severino




Patton in Salem? Are the Astros really going to be that slow moving these guys up?




Kid spent part of last season injured and threw only 41 innings at Salem.  Also, where they start isn't always where they finish.  Further, these are my guesses before winter ball begins.

Look at the guys in RR and CC.  The talent has started to reach the upper minors again.




I wouldn't be suprised if Ryan Mitchell is in Lexington, he has really good stuff.  Might not start there but I think will be there before the year is out.  Again where you start isn't always where you finish.




It's always tough to tell where guys are going to go out of rookie ball.  I picked the other guys because of age and experience.
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AFL Update
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2005, 04:10:28 pm »
Well they have played 8 games in the AFL now.  The Astros affliated team (Surprise Scorpions) is 6-2.

Here is what the Astros players are doing:

Josh Anderson: 6 Games; .440/.462/.480; 4 SBs; 11 Runs; only 1 extra base hit out of 11.
Charlton Jimerson: 6 Games; .304/.360/.565; 2 HRs; 7Ks in 23 ABs
Wade Robinson: 6 Games; .308/.400/.462; only 13 ABs (reason below)
Philip Barzilla: 4 Games; 6IP; ERA-9.00 WHIP-2.00; 3Ks
Taylor Buchholz: 2 Games, 1start; 3IP; ERA-3.00 WHIP-2.00; 2Ks

Wade Robinson is a SS and the best player on the Scorpions (Brandon Wood) is too.  Wood has 9 HRs so far, and had 43 in AA this past year.  Big surprise, Wood has played every game.  The Scorpions line-up is stacked!  Anderson has been leading off and Chewy has been batting 9th in the most recent game.

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2005, 07:48:36 pm »
anyone have any wild ideas where the position players will be?

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2005, 12:22:05 am »
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Well they have played 8 games in the AFL now.  The Astros affliated team (Surprise Scorpions) is 6-2.

Here is what the Astros players are doing:

Josh Anderson: 6 Games; .440/.462/.480; 4 SBs; 11 Runs; only 1 extra base hit out of 11.
Charlton Jimerson: 6 Games; .304/.360/.565; 2 HRs; 7Ks in 23 ABs
Wade Robinson: 6 Games; .308/.400/.462; only 13 ABs (reason below)
Philip Barzilla: 4 Games; 6IP; ERA-9.00 WHIP-2.00; 3Ks
Taylor Buchholz: 2 Games, 1start; 3IP; ERA-3.00 WHIP-2.00; 2Ks

Wade Robinson is a SS and the best player on the Scorpions (Brandon Wood) is too.  Wood has 9 HRs so far, and had 43 in AA this past year.  Big surprise, Wood has played every game.  The Scorpions line-up is stacked!  Anderson has been leading off and Chewy has been batting 9th in the most recent game.




Don't forget Aaron Williams:  2 Games, 3IP, ERA 0.00, 3K's, WHIP 0.67
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2005, 10:43:58 am »
I see where Hernandez has become a minor league free agent.

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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2005, 10:46:46 am »
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anyone have any wild ideas where the position players will be?




Since there are like 60+ guys that could include, how about you give a list of those you are interested in.  Keep in mind, for the most part you can list 2 teams for each guy, reasonably and say he will go here, or there.  I don't know anyone who would not be at least staying at the level they ended the year with, unless they are no longer with the club anymore (which would be mostly only AAA and older AA players).

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2005, 01:59:53 pm »
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I see where Hernandez has become a minor league free agent.




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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2005, 02:12:25 pm »
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Thanks.

Anyone have a list (or pointer to a list) of all the minor league FA's this year?  I know a lot of the guys at RR and quite a few at CC are in that category.
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Re: Ask And Ye Shall Maybe Receive: 05-06 Off-Season
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2005, 04:40:01 pm »
good question,

Jose Lopez
Neil Sellers
Michael Thompson
Billy Hart
Eric King
Thomas Manzella
Koby Clemens
Matthew Cunnignham
Jordan Parraz
Ralph Henriquez
Timothy Johnson
Jhon Florentino
Eli Iorg
Nathan Warrick
Yamber Rodriguez
Allen Langdon
Justin Towles
Lou Santangelo
Justin Humphries
Bryan Triplett
Drew Sutton
Wladimir Sutil
Mitch Einertson
Wallace Torbert
Joshua Flores
Kevin Davidson
Osvaldo Fernando
Scott Robinson
Saul Torres
Jonathan Ash
Ben Zobrist
Ervin Alcantara
Mario Garza
Hunter Pence
Francisco Cababallo
Hector Gimenez
Mark Saccomanno
Wade Robinson
Josh Anderson
Mike Rodriguez

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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2005, 06:18:06 pm »
Sheesh what did you just cut-n-paste the entire line-ups from Greenville, Tri-City, Lexington and Salem?
Keep in mind that if the changes to the Minor League system that was talked about previously go into effect next season, most of these players will remain around the same place there are now, since very few draftees will actually play in these leagues (they will go to instructional leagues).
Ok, I will endeavor to come up with possible options:

Guys who might end up at AAA:
 Hector Gimenez  : Made great strides at the plate this year, the only thing that would keep him from AAA is Quintero/Chavez who kept him from AAA this past year.
 Wade Robinson  : He was tabbed for AFL, so the Astros must think something of him.  Tommy Whiteman is ahead of him (at AAA this year) and I personally think Zobrist is breathing down his neck for the AA slot.  He might move to AAA, and back-up Whiteman.
 Josh Anderson  : Golly I would like this kid to put it all together.  He has a ton of talent to be a great lead-off guy, but this year made me wonder if he has the mental strength to play it at that level.  I imagine he will move to AAA, or at the least will move there part way through next year.  Needs to learn to get on base more consistantly and learn how to run the bases smarter (his speed overcomes his poor baserunning skills, IMO).  Still he has time to develop but next year will big for him considering he slid back this year in my book on the prospect chart.
 Mike Rodriguez  : After 2 straight years at AA, you would expect better from the 25 year old.  He did show improvement but only marginally.  He might move to AAA, but that all depends on who they populate AAA with this comming year.  They had alot of older players there last year, but there are not a ton of OF knocking on the AA door just year.  But enough might be to move him to AAA.

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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2005, 06:44:34 pm »
Ummm ... At the risk of being patronizing, I wonder whether you understood the question.  Just to choose one name at random, Tommy Manzella, who was only drafted last June, will most certainly not become a minor league free agent this winter.

There is a fairly complex rule involving the age at which the player signed his first contract and the number of years since then that determines whether a player needs to be protected in the Rule V draft (by placing him on the 40-man roster).  There is (I think) a somewhat different rule that allows players not on the 40-man roster to become minor league free agents.  (Is it six years for everyone on this??)  In any case, I think it is Jacksonian who has posted a list of those exposed to Rule V and those eligible as minor league FA's in the past.  I am interested, but don't have either the data or the exact grasp of the rule, so I was seeking some help.

Regardless, I appreciate the attempt.
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AA possibilities
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2005, 06:45:16 pm »
Guys who might end up at AA (list those at High-A Salem)

 Mark Saccomanno : Will probably repeat AA.  He stuggled mightily during the first half of year, and probably needs at least another 1/2 year at AA before thinking about AAA.
 Kevin Davidson : I think he is the more likely of the two Salem Catchers to move up.  He really emerged last year as pretty decent both at the plate and behind it.  Catchers are so hard to read, unless you talk to scouts though.
 Osvaldo Fernando : I am not so sure he makes it to AA.  He was among the oldest at Salem (no one over his age of 25 last year).  He might stay at Salem next year, as Zobrist has past him by.  His stick is his weakness.
 Scott Robinson : He started 05 repeating Low A, but he did well in the first part of 05, so he moved up.  His numbers looked alot like his first year at Low A when he moved, so look for him to repeat High A, to start 05, and maybe move up mid-season like he did this year from low to high A.  No power 1B though do not project well. Being 22, that could all change for him though.  Not sure what the scouts say about him though.
 Saul Torres : He also started 05 by repeating low A, but he started 05 out on a power bing.  After he moved to Salem it dried up.  I am beging to wonder if this is just a park/league issue.  I imagine he also start he year at High-A not AA.
 Jonathan Ash : From all I hear about him, he strikes me as a David Eckstein type.  Plays his heart out, but scouts don't see great skills in him.  I figure he starts at Salem, but could move up quickly to AA.
 Ben Zobrist : Ok, I have become a big fan of Ben's this year.  I LOVE guys who know how to take walks and still hit for decent average.  His defense must improve to become more than a projected utility infielder, but I think his ability to get on-base is too good to ignore.  I see him pushing Wade Robinson for the AA job to start 06.  If he loses he will dominate High-A.
 Ervin Alcantara : I see him repeating High-A, even though he is 25.  I think he is getting close to running out of his chances to earn prospect type tags.
 Mario Garza : He was also among those who started at low-A and move to Salem this year.  He actually hit for a higher SLG% at Salem than at Lexington.  But I am not sure he showed enought to move to AA yet though.  He might move to AA before Hunter Pence just because he is 2 years older though.  So he has a shot at moving to AA next year.
 Hunter Pence : He dazzled in Lexington, but dropped off a bit at Salem.  I still think he might be our best hitting prospect that we have seen enough of.  I think if one of the OF prospects move from Salem to AA this year, it is between him and Garza.  My guess would be Hunter will start the year at Salem, to try to recreate the first half of last year for him again, then move him to AA.
 Francisco Cababallo : He is 21, and spent most of 05 in Low A Lexington.  Look for him to start at Salem and play there most if not all year.

This is making my head hurt, I might/might not do Salem and Lexington, but don't expect alot to jump from Short season to High A, not many did last year either.  And keep in mind alot of the movement may be based on what the owners deside about the proposals for changes to the minor leagues and the draft.

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2005, 06:52:20 pm »
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Guys who might end up at AAA:
 Hector Gimenez  : Made great strides at the plate this year, the only thing that would keep him from AAA is Quintero/Chavez who kept him from AAA this past year.




I think he'll be in RR ... It's time for Tremie to be a full-time coach.
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Wade Robinson  : He was tabbed for AFL, so the Astros must think something of him.  Tommy Whiteman is ahead of him (at AAA this year) and I personally think Zobrist is breathing down his neck for the AA slot.  He might move to AAA, and back-up Whiteman.



Whiteman's ahead of him, but look for a relatively quick 'hook' if Wade does well in CC and Whiteman struggles early (as I expect) at RR.
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Josh Anderson  : Golly I would like this kid to put it all together.  He has a ton of talent to be a great lead-off guy, but this year made me wonder if he has the mental strength to play it at that level.  I imagine he will move to AAA, or at the least will move there part way through next year.  Needs to learn to get on base more consistantly and learn how to run the bases smarter (his speed overcomes his poor baserunning skills, IMO).  Still he has time to develop but next year will big for him considering he slid back this year in my book on the prospect chart.



Thanks for the first-hand scouting ... anyone have direct info on his work in Arizona?  His stats look good.  Either way, I am expecting him to take over CF at RR in the spring.
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Mike Rodriguez  : After 2 straight years at AA, you would expect better from the 25 year old.  He did show improvement but only marginally.  He might move to AAA, but that all depends on who they populate AAA with this comming year.  They had alot of older players there last year, but there are not a ton of OF knocking on the AA door just year.  But enough might be to move him to AAA.



I think he needs to either put up or shut up in RR this year.  He doesn't have anything left to prove at AA (even though he hasn't proved it yet).  He either needs to get it together (possibly as a 4th OF) in RR or become a minor league journeyman.
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Re: AA possibilities
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2005, 06:58:35 pm »
Good run-down.  My bet on the CC infield next year is Peavey at 1st, Robinson at 2nd, Saccomanno at 3rd and Zobrist at SS.  I could also see either Saccomanno or WRobinson move up quickly (with WRob moving to SS at RR), replaced by Ash, Torres or maybe even Fernando.  I could also see SRob moving up (pushing Peavye to 3rd?) if he starts well at Salem, but at his age I do not see any reason to push him too quickly.
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The Randy Johnson deal continues to look terrible
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2005, 07:55:15 pm »
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  "Hern?ndez received a large signing bonus of $710,000, although he said the Mariners were not the highest bidder. Other teams trying to sign him included the New York Yankees, the Atlanta Braves, and the Houston Astros, with the Braves reportedly offering the most money. One reason Hern?ndez chose the Mariners is because his idol, fellow Venezuelan pitcher Freddy Garc?a, was pitching for the team at the time."




Boy oh boy, what could have been. Not only is Freddy Garcia throwing complete games in the LCS in the middle of his sparkling MLB career and Carlos Guillen doing his thing, but this gem leads me to believe we might be paying for all the Venezuelan talent we traded away. Five years ago Felix would've been ours. I hate Hunsiker, I hope the Phillies get him.

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Re: The Randy Johnson deal continues to look terrible
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2005, 12:19:30 am »
That was a big time move by Huniscker.  That club was probably the most complete Astros team ever, on paper anyway.  To get a player of Randy Johnson's ability, in his prime no less, to make that team complete was a monumental move by Huniscker.  Use those hindsight glasses all you want.

This has been rehashed so many times here, it's ridiculous.  Maybe when Clarks register, they can get a list of topics they should avoid unless they wanna make an ass out of themselves.

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Re: The Randy Johnson deal continues to look terrible
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2005, 12:56:42 am »
and I was here when it was rehashed - I agree that the deal was good at the time, and I have no regrets about giving up what we gave up - I'm pointing out how the series of deals and rule V moves the Astros have made regarding players in the Venezuelan Acadamies have come back to haunt them - and that Purpura has done a better job of not depleting the farm system like Hunsiker did.

The point I'm making is that as long as these 16 yr olds are free agents instead of entered in an international draft, we should be valuing our international talent a lot more (i.e. not using them as trade bait) if we want to be competitive in South and Central America. You think Felix Hernandez is going to want to come here if we traded his idol - or if we have no other venezuelans in the Majors because we traded all of them?

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Fantastic.  

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- I agree that the deal was good at the time, and I have no regrets about giving up what we gave up - I'm pointing out how the series of deals and rule V moves the Astros have made regarding players in the Venezuelan Acadamies have come back to haunt them -




You can't have your cake and eat it too.  Take a stand man.  Either the trade was good or it wasn't.  If you thought it was a good trade at the time, you should have no regrets about it now.  

Which Venezualan Astros of signifcance were lost to the rule V?  If Carlos Hernandez is lost, it's becuase of a sweeping slide into second base.  

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and that Purpura has done a better job of not depleting the farm system like Hunsiker did.




You're comparing apples and oranges.  Purp hasn't even been GM for a year.  I admit he's shown more faith in the younger players than Gerry.  But if he could have gotten a hitter, whose impace would have been comperable to Randy Johnson in his prime, I'm sure he would have pulled the trigger.  Instead...he held off shipping Oswalt for Dunn.  I'm not knocking Purp.  He's done the right moves so far but it's premature to be trumpeting him over Hunsicker who assembled how many postseason teams?

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The point I'm making is that as long as these 16 yr olds are free agents instead of entered in an international draft, we should be valuing our international talent a lot more (i.e. not using them as trade bait) if we want to be competitive in South and Central America. You think Felix Hernandez is going to want to come here if we traded his idol - or if we have no other venezuelans in the Majors because we traded all of them?




Have you gone down to Venezuala to find out what's important to these kids?  Do you think Freddy Garcia being an Astro is more important than the Astros putting this kid and his friends through school?  Trades are going to happen.  Quick.  Name me all of the the players on the 25 man roster for the Red Sox who were drafted by them?  You don't stop signing with a team for frear of getting traded 8 years down the line.  "Hello Epstein?  I'm sorry but I won't sign with you.  You'll trade me before I play in Fenway."

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Which Venezualan Astros of signifcance were lost to the rule V?  If Carlos Hernandez is lost, it's becuase of a sweeping slide into second base.    





I don't know, is last year's Cy Young award winner significant?

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You're comparing apples and oranges.  Purp hasn't even been GM for a year.  I admit he's shown more faith in the younger players than Gerry.  But if he could have gotten a hitter, whose impace would have been comperable to Randy Johnson in his prime, I'm sure he would have pulled the trigger.  Instead...he held off shipping Oswalt for Dunn.  I'm not knocking Purp.  He's done the right moves so far but it's premature to be trumpeting him over Hunsicker who assembled how many postseason teams?





Please - don't tell me that Purp wasn't ripped my everyone in the media for not trading for Griffey/Sweeney, etc. If it had been Hunsiker here, Burke and/or Zeke would've been  wearing different uniforms by now. It's amazing what happens to your farm system when you value your prospects like that.

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Have you gone down to Venezuala to find out what's important to these kids?  Do you think Freddy Garcia being an Astro is more important than the Astros putting this kid and his friends through school?





I think that little tidbit on Felix says it all. If there's a stud everyone wants, I think not only will everyone be willing to"put him through school," but guys like Zambrano and Felix will get around a million thrown at them. But these guys aren't stupid - what's an extra 50 grand if you've got the stuff to make millions a year in 2-4 years? Why not go to the team with established Venezuelans like Minnosota and Philadelphia?

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Trades are going to happen.  Quick.  Name me all of the the players on the 25 man roster for the Red Sox who were drafted by them?  You don't stop signing with a team for frear of getting traded 8 years down the line.  "Hello Epstein?  I'm sorry but I won't sign with you.  You'll trade me before I play in Fenway."




Quick - name more than 3 teams anywhere near the Red Sox's payroll - they'll always be a special case. The whole point I'm making is there is a difference between having one of your academy players flourish compared to having an American player flourish. If we'd traded Scott Elarton instead, even if he'd stayed healthy, Freddy Garcia would have given us more leverage to cherrypick top-tier Venezuelan talent (you know, like we used to when we had the top farm system in baseball).

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« Reply #32 on: October 19, 2005, 03:17:26 am »
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I don't know, is last year's Cy Young award winner significant?





You make it sound like there are 20 Santanas.  Yeah Santana stings but how's that a knock on Hunsicker?  He wasn't anything special when he got plucked from the rule V.  He wasn't even in the running for a spot on the 40 man roster.  His stats that last year in the oganization were good but it was low A ball and his velocity was lower back then.  Obviously he's become a hell of a talent.  Good for him.  Good for the Twins.

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[Please - don't tell me that Purp wasn't ripped my everyone in the media for not trading for Griffey/Sweeney, etc. If it had been Hunsiker here, Burke and/or Zeke would've been  wearing different uniforms by now. It's amazing what happens to your farm system when you value your prospects like that.





The media?  Becuase the Chronicle and company have so much forsight with the Astros.  A Griffey trade wouldn't happen for two reasons, money and injury concerns.  BTW, don't grow too fond of Zeke and Burke.  Just bc they didn't get traded this year doesn't mean they won't be jettisoned in the right deal.  And you're right.  It's amazing that even though Hunsicker has plundered the minor league system that somehow this team still had his rookie draftees in Burke and Qualls along with his coup of a trade players of Astacio, Tavares and Scott still around.  If he had been with the team another week, who knows what would have happened?  

I don't see how you can hold Purp as some minor league player development saint while calling Hunsicker a virus to the franchise.  Purp wanted a bat.  Purp didn't have any reasonable deals.  Purp didn't make a trade.  Good for Purp.  What gives you the impression that if the market wasn't there that Hunsicker would have still done a deal?  How many bad trades did he make?  What did he do in desperation to give you this fallacy?

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I think that little tidbit on Felix says it all.




Oh yeah.  Totally definative.

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Why not go to the team with established Venezuelans like Minnosota and Philadelphia?




Because they most probably won't be there when you get called up.

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Quick - name more than 3 teams anywhere near the Red Sox's payroll - they'll always be a special case. The whole point I'm making is there is a difference between having one of your academy players flourish compared to having an American player flourish. If we'd traded Scott Elarton instead, even if he'd stayed healthy, Freddy Garcia would have given us more leverage to cherrypick top-tier Venezuelan talent (you know, like we used to when we had the top farm system in baseball).




Is there really a difference between having an academy player flourish versus an American player?  I think a major fucking difference is that 10 years ago, Houston almost had a monopoly on Venezuela.  Now everbody has their hands in the basbeall talent there.  Regardless, the Astros are still producing talent from their academy.

Ok...so you're against trading young talent, especailly from one of the academies.  Your saying not to make moves that could hurt your future.  With that logic, we could all wallow in mediocrity until one year....all of these kids we covet will come togther, play amazing baseball and then the baseball world can watch in amasement.  Wouldn't that be something?  I have a dream, a dream of 25 year old Venezualan superstars carrying the Astros to the promise land.  

Screw Hunsicker.  Screw him for getting the team to the playoffs 6 of the last 9 seasons.  Screw him for leaving enough young talent that the future is still looking good.  Screw him.  I have a dream.

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« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2005, 01:10:49 pm »
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Jose Lopez Tri-City
Neil Sellers Lexington
Michael Thompson Tri-City
Billy Hart Tri-City
Eric King Lexington
Thomas Manzella Lexington
Koby Clemens Lexington
Matthew Cunnignham Lexington
Jordan Parraz Lexington
Ralph Henriquez Greeneville
Timothy Johnson Greeneville
Jhon Florentino Tri-City
Eli Iorg Lexington
Nathan Warrick Tri-City
Yamber Rodriguez Tri-City
Allen Langdon Greeneville
Justin Towles Lexington
Lou Santangelo Salem
Justin Humphries Salem
Bryan Triplett Salem
Drew Sutton Salem
Wladimir Sutil Lexington
Mitch Einertson Salem
Wallace Torbert Salem
Joshua Flores Lexington
Kevin Davidson CC
Osvaldo Fernando Salem, CC, out of the org
Scott Robinson CC
Saul Torres CC
Jonathan Ash CC
Ben Zobrist CC
Ervin Alcantara CC
Mario Garza CC
Hunter Pence CC
Francisco Cababallo Salem
Hector Gimenez RR
Mark Saccomanno RR
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Josh Anderson RR
Mike Rodriguez RR
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Pulled straight from my ass:

Jose Lopez Tri-City
Neil Sellers Lexington
Michael Thompson Tri-City
Billy Hart Tri-City
Eric King Lexington
Thomas Manzella Lexington
Koby Clemens Lexington
Matthew Cunnignham Lexington
Jordan Parraz Lexington
Ralph Henriquez Greeneville
Timothy Johnson Greeneville
Jhon Florentino Tri-City
Eli Iorg Lexington
Nathan Warrick Tri-City
Yamber Rodriguez Tri-City
Allen Langdon Greeneville
Justin Towles Lexington
Lou Santangelo Salem
Justin Humphries Salem
Bryan Triplett Salem
Drew Sutton Salem
Wladimir Sutil Lexington
Mitch Einertson Salem
Wallace Torbert Salem
Joshua Flores Lexington
Kevin Davidson CC
Osvaldo Fernando Salem, CC, out of the org
Scott Robinson CC
Saul Torres CC
Jonathan Ash CC
Ben Zobrist CC
Ervin Alcantara CC
Mario Garza CC
Hunter Pence CC
Francisco Cababallo Salem
Hector Gimenez RR
Mark Saccomanno RR
Wade Robinson RR
Josh Anderson RR
Mike Rodriguez RR





Looks like you have a smart ass (better than being one and I will deny if any said I said you have pretty smart ass.  I said it was smart!).  I would agree with the lower level guys (don't know as much on upper level guys).  I don't think Koby will be in Lex but other than that I agree.  If you could split him, his glove needs Tri Cities but his bat is ready for Lexington.
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Pulled straight from my ass:

Jose Lopez Tri-City
Neil Sellers Lexington
Michael Thompson Tri-City
Billy Hart Tri-City
Eric King Lexington
Thomas Manzella Lexington
Koby Clemens Lexington
Matthew Cunnignham Lexington
Jordan Parraz Lexington
Ralph Henriquez Greeneville
Timothy Johnson Greeneville
Jhon Florentino Tri-City
Eli Iorg Lexington
Nathan Warrick Tri-City
Yamber Rodriguez Tri-City
Allen Langdon Greeneville
Justin Towles Lexington
Lou Santangelo Salem
Justin Humphries Salem
Bryan Triplett Salem
Drew Sutton Salem
Wladimir Sutil Lexington
Mitch Einertson Salem
Wallace Torbert Salem
Joshua Flores Lexington
Kevin Davidson CC
Osvaldo Fernando Salem, CC, out of the org
Scott Robinson CC
Saul Torres CC
Jonathan Ash CC
Ben Zobrist CC
Ervin Alcantara CC
Mario Garza CC
Hunter Pence CC
Francisco Cababallo Salem
Hector Gimenez RR
Mark Saccomanno RR
Wade Robinson RR
Josh Anderson RR
Mike Rodriguez RR





Looks like you have a smart ass (better than being one and I will deny if any said I said you have pretty smart ass.  I said it was smart!).  I would agree with the lower level guys (don't know as much on upper level guys).  I don't think Koby will be in Lex but other than that I agree.  If you could split him, his glove needs Tri Cities but his bat is ready for Lexington.





I haven't gotten the instructional league roster yet, but I'm fairly certain Koby will be there and getting an ass load of defensive instruction.  Hence my belief he'll be at Lexington.
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« Reply #36 on: October 19, 2005, 02:48:21 pm »
I know this is minor and you are givng everyone as much as can, and more than we should expect, but is there a reason you didn't mention Jimerson?
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I know this is minor and you are givng everyone as much as can, and more than we should expect, but is there a reason you didn't mention Jimerson?




Because John didn't ask about him.
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I haven't gotten the instructional league roster yet, but I'm fairly certain Koby will be there and getting an ass load of defensive instruction.  Hence my belief he'll be at Lexington.





I had heard from some of the players that there wasn't going to be an instructional league this year. Has that changed?
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« Reply #39 on: October 19, 2005, 03:16:44 pm »
My bad. Sorry. I thought maybe I missed something and...

Well, I missed something.
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« Reply #40 on: October 19, 2005, 04:45:27 pm »
I just assumed that Jimerson would be in RR for '06 so did not include his name.

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I just assumed that Jimerson would be in RR for '06 so did not include his name.




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I just assumed that Jimerson would be in RR for '06 so did not include his name.




And you didn't assume Anderson would be there?





Generallities here:

Jimerson: ton of natural abillity, inconsistant performance
Anderson, less, but still good abillity, better day-to-day stuff

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Is that correct? I have, essentially, never seen either and wouldn't be able to evaluate them if I did. This question is coming from a mostly tallent blind eye.
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I just assumed that Jimerson would be in RR for '06 so did not include his name.




And you didn't assume Anderson would be there?




Generallities here:

Jimerson: ton of natural abillity, inconsistant performance
Anderson, less, but still good abillity, better day-to-day stuff

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Is that correct? I have, essentially, never seen either and wouldn't be able to evaluate them if I did. This question is coming from a mostly tallent blind eye.




If Jimerson put it all together, he might be the best overall player the Astros have ever had.

I see Anderson as a tick below Taveras.  The have pretty much the same skill set.
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« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2005, 12:29:11 am »
Thank you.
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« Reply #45 on: October 20, 2005, 04:34:11 am »
good point.

I thought that if the Astros were going to keep Jimerson on their 40 man roster that at his age he was going to have to go to RR.  With Anderson, I was not sure the Astros thought he might need more seasoning in CC.  I have not seen either player in action.

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I haven't gotten the instructional league roster yet, but I'm fairly certain Koby will be there and getting an ass load of defensive instruction.  Hence my belief he'll be at Lexington.





I had heard from some of the players that there wasn't going to be an instructional league this year. Has that changed?





You are correct.  The Astros cancelled the instructional league this year.  Not sure why.  Speculation ranges from money, to not enough players in need esp pitchers, to preparing for the rookie level/instructs changes that may be coming.
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« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2005, 12:28:51 pm »
10/19, Buchholz went 4 innings, allowed 4 hits, 1 earned on a solo shot, 0 walks, and 3 Ks.
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unfortunately, Jimerson is all too consistent: KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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Jimerson is the kind of prospect--i.e., "toolsy" as hell, with little production to show for it--who makes the barzillas of the world think they're onto something.
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« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2005, 10:34:09 am »
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Jimerson is the kind of prospect--i.e., "toolsy" as hell, with little production to show for it--who makes the barzillas of the world think they're onto something.




That is until they turn into Melvin Mora.  Who seemed to have similar struggles early on and then suddenly everything clicked.  The problem is more often than not, if they don't "get it" early they never do.

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Josh Anderson is hitting .455 over 42AB.  He's got 5 stolen bases and 1 strike out.  However, he's got just 1 extra base hit, a double, and 0 walks.
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« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2005, 03:21:26 pm »
Have you seen the team ERAs too?  I don't think the pitching is THAT tough in AFL this year, or at least the hitters are just all locked in.  Makes me wonder how much I should believe in Anderson's numbers.  Still not power and no walks worries me alot.

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« Reply #53 on: October 23, 2005, 12:39:42 am »
Here is the link to an article on Ralphie Henriquez where he discusses his first year of pro ball.  

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some quotes for those not interested in reading the whole thing:

-"The first month there was a killer,? said Henriquez, who hit .472 last spring for the Conchs. ?It took me a while to adjust - it was a big jump playing with guys 23, 24 years old. I didn't plan on hitting .300 but the first year nobody hits spectacularly. I was disappointed with my average but that's only natural.?

-?You're with grown men and they're there for one reason - to make the big leagues - so you play for yourself,? he said.

-In the spring he will report to Houston's spring-training site at Kissimmee and await assignment. He hopes to play next summer with the Astros' Class A team in Lexington, Ky., to stay on the track to the big leagues he and his father plotted.

?I want to be 21 or 22 when I break in,? he said.
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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2005, 12:22:39 pm »
milb.com has an organizational report online.  It's pablum for our readers.  Don't worry about what's written.  The only reason I'm providing a link is for those who want to see brief video clips of some of the Astros farmhands (Nieve, Hirsh, Barthmaier, and Patton).

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What is your take on Parraz?  Everyone was very high on him but I have heard rumblings of some attitude issues and work ethic issues.  What have you heard?
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What is your take on Parraz?  Everyone was very high on him but I have heard rumblings of some attitude issues and work ethic issues.  What have you heard?





Same sorts of things.  I think you probably have a young man who is eager to play, knows he has ability (read ego), and wants to be promoted.  He was raw when drafted in 04, and his performances haven't indicated he's made the leap to fast moving prospect.  I have a suspicion that he'll improve.  He did not strike out much, just 16% of his at-bats ended in K.  Contrast that with Jimerson and Santangelo who K at a 33% rate.  Parraz didn't hit for much power either though.  I expect that as he matures he'll hit for a better average and power, and when he does so will be moved up more quickly.
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An extra nit concerning the vids.  In the Hirsh vid, the announcers say he struck the batter out with a split-finger pitch.  Hirsh doesn't throw one, yet.  The pitch was a change-up and should give you an idea why he was so effective this year.
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What is your take on Parraz?  Everyone was very high on him but I have heard rumblings of some attitude issues and work ethic issues.  What have you heard?




Same sorts of things.  I think you probably have a young man who is eager to play, knows he has ability (read ego), and wants to be promoted.  He was raw when drafted in 04, and his performances haven't indicated he's made the leap to fast moving prospect.  I have a suspicion that he'll improve.  He did not strike out much, just 16% of his at-bats ended in K.  Contrast that with Jimerson and Santangelo who K at a 33% rate.  Parraz didn't hit for much power either though.  I expect that as he matures he'll hit for a better average and power, and when he does so will be moved up more quickly.




I learned when he was here in Greeneville that he had only been on outfielder for just a few games in college.  He had been a pitcher primarily and had been drafted as such in the 6th round the previous year by Philly.  So raw is correct.  This coming year will be a big one for him.
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milb.com has an organizational report online.  It's pablum for our readers.  Don't worry about what's written.  The only reason I'm providing a link is for those who want to see brief video clips of some of the Astros farmhands (Nieve, Hirsh, Barthmaier, and Patton).

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What is your take on Parraz?  Everyone was very high on him but I have heard rumblings of some attitude issues and work ethic issues.  What have you heard?




Same sorts of things.  I think you probably have a young man who is eager to play, knows he has ability (read ego), and wants to be promoted.  He was raw when drafted in 04, and his performances haven't indicated he's made the leap to fast moving prospect.  I have a suspicion that he'll improve.  He did not strike out much, just 16% of his at-bats ended in K.  Contrast that with Jimerson and Santangelo who K at a 33% rate.  Parraz didn't hit for much power either though.  I expect that as he matures he'll hit for a better average and power, and when he does so will be moved up more quickly.




I learned when he was here in Greeneville that he had only been on outfielder for just a few games in college.  He had been a pitcher primarily and had been drafted as such in the 6th round the previous year by Philly.  So raw is correct.  This coming year will be a big one for him.




Well, actually, he was the starting centerfielder at CCSN.  I've documented it for you here: (scroll down to 3rd Round) The Link

Regardless, he was a college freshman.  This spring would have been just his sophomore season.  And, he was playing in a league this summer with former college juniors and seniors.  I'm thinking 07 may be the season he blossoms.
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« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2005, 09:49:59 am »
What true prospects need to be protected from the Rule V this winter and be placed on the 40-man?
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This is tougher than it sounds.  Mike Rodriguez, Philip Barzilla, and Brooks Conrad were all eligible last year and not taken.  They're eligible again, but I'm not sure any will be taken.  And the Astros don't appear to value them very highly.

If I'm reading everything right, the only American player that might come up is Rory Shortell.  But, he has spent a lot of time injured and likely doesn't have the service time to be included.

There may be some Venezuelan or Dominican guys at Greeneville or Tri-City, like Juan Gutierrez, who signed very young and would be eligible.  I'm not sure on that.

There are a few guys who aren't quite eligible but may be included anyway:  Josh Anderson, Jason Hirsh, Mitch Talbot, Chance Douglass are I believe 1 year away from being eligible.  There are other more fringe guys who are 1 year away as well.

I may have missed someone, but I'm not sure.

The Astros currently have 4 spots open on the 40-man.  They will likely add at least 3 players to the 40-man.  They may also make a few more deletions from the current list.
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« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2005, 03:03:37 pm »
And on a related note, anyone have a list of minor league FA's?  Obviously Hernandez (who refused his assignment to RR), but what of others ...

Gipson? Rivera? Coolbaugh? Eckelman? Strickland? McDaniel? Wesson?  Guys from CC?
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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2005, 03:32:44 pm »
Given the age of most of the guys at AAA, I would guess most of the roster at RR are FAs, but I don't know who specifically.  I see less spots in the pitching staff at RR being available for Minor League FAs, but given our dearth of position talent at AA and AAA levels last year, I would imagine several position slots might be available for them.

Normally it is not that big a deal who is a minor league FA and who isn't.  The bigger deals are those that are Rule V eligible, because at times, those guys might still be considered "prospects".  Although you can catch lightning in a bottle occassionally, like Balt did with Mora.

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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2005, 04:41:17 pm »
Minor League Free Agents:

Jimmy Anderson, Peter Bauer, Heath Bost, Will Cunnane, Roberto Giron, Carlos Hernandez, Brooks Kieschnick, Scott MacRae, T.J. Mathews, Tim McClaskey, Denton McDaniel, German Melendez, Joshua Miller, Fernando Rijo, Brian Tollberg, Dax Norris, Chris Tremie, Jason Clements, Mike Coolbaugh, Alex Eckelman, Royce Huffman, J.R. Phillips, Eric Riggs, Carlos Rivera, Wilton Reynolds, Carlos Rodriguez, Barry Wesson.

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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2005, 04:41:18 pm »
will the Astros or MLB actually publish a Rule V elgible list before the winter meetings?

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No.  However if you look around, probably on BA, you'll probably find something around the time of that draft as to who the likely players to be selected might be...
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« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2005, 07:35:37 pm »
Thanks, Fletch ... very much appreciated.
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I think your mistakened about Patton being injured.  he never missed more than a start.  I worked with him in Lexington.

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Glad to see you post and respect where you are coming from.  But, Patton spent a great deal of time at Salem as well.  His physical issues were documented more after leaving Lexington.  So, your work with him likely preceded his arm issues.  According to milb.com he was at Salem from 6/30-9/6.  He appeared in 10 games and threw just 41 innings.  While there he had his arm babied when he pitched.  The term I recall being thrown out most often was tired arm.  In my book any physical issues, esp at that level, are considered injuries.
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Glad to see you post and respect where you are coming from.  But, Patton spent a great deal of time at Salem as well.  His physical issues were documented more after leaving Lexington.  So, your work with him likely preceded his arm issues.  According to milb.com he was at Salem from 6/30-9/6.  He appeared in 10 games and threw just 41 innings.  While there he had his arm babied when he pitched.  The term I recall being thrown out most often was tired arm.  In my book any physical issues, esp at that level, are considered injuries.





He did have some sholder soreness at the all star break.  That preceeded the slow down. If you look at his game by game stats, the first half of the season and the second half mirror each other.  Pitch counts building ever couple of starts.  I think they broke his first full season into two short seasons. Part of this was to prevent a tired arm.
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Glad to see you post and respect where you are coming from.  But, Patton spent a great deal of time at Salem as well.  His physical issues were documented more after leaving Lexington.  So, your work with him likely preceded his arm issues.  According to milb.com he was at Salem from 6/30-9/6.  He appeared in 10 games and threw just 41 innings.  While there he had his arm babied when he pitched.  The term I recall being thrown out most often was tired arm.  In my book any physical issues, esp at that level, are considered injuries.




He did have some sholder soreness at the all star break.  That preceeded the slow down. If you look at his game by game stats, the first half of the season and the second half mirror each other.  Pitch counts building ever couple of starts.  I think they broke his first full season into two short seasons. Part of this was to prevent a tired arm.




Sort of a mirror.  It looks like, in the end, his pitch count at Salem was lower than at Lexington.  He never went more than 5 innings in any appearance at Salem: PC ~ 80.  They definitely babied his arm to protect it in the second half.
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I think your mistakened about Patton being injured.  he never missed more than a start.  I worked with him in Lexington.




Glad to see you post and respect where you are coming from.  But, Patton spent a great deal of time at Salem as well.  His physical issues were documented more after leaving Lexington.  So, your work with him likely preceded his arm issues.  According to milb.com he was at Salem from 6/30-9/6.  He appeared in 10 games and threw just 41 innings.  While there he had his arm babied when he pitched.  The term I recall being thrown out most often was tired arm.  In my book any physical issues, esp at that level, are considered injuries.




He did have some sholder soreness at the all star break.  That preceeded the slow down. If you look at his game by game stats, the first half of the season and the second half mirror each other.  Pitch counts building ever couple of starts.  I think they broke his first full season into two short seasons. Part of this was to prevent a tired arm.




Sort of a mirror.  It looks like, in the end, his pitch count at Salem was lower than at Lexington.  He never went more than 5 innings in any appearance at Salem: PC ~ 80.  They definitely babied his arm to protect it in the second half.




The Astros had told Troy when they drafted him they would take it slow.  This year they skipped his start in late May out of concerns over never having pitched that much before.  Then he was slowed down in July with the sholder.  So with stepping up a level and his inning count rising it is not a suprise they were babying his arm.
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Well ... maybe we should forget Aaron Williams.  He seems to have dropped off the roster, though he still shows in the league pitching stat list with the same 2 games.  Anybody know what happened to him?
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Well ... maybe we should forget Aaron Williams.  He seems to have dropped off the roster, though he still shows in the league pitching stat list with the same 2 games.  Anybody know what happened to him?





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Astros came out today.  Just wondering if anyone has access and can summarize?  It probably says less of what is said in this forum, but always nice to hear what others think as well.
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« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2005, 11:08:25 am »
This guy posted a comparison of the Astro's & White Sox farm stars on his site.  It was interesting reading.  

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I thought it was pretty crappy.  I don't know anything about the White Sox prospects, but the author didn't really know anything about the Astros prospects beyond their stats.  And even then he missed.  Hirsh was 23 during the season not 24.  May not be a big deal to them, but with prospects it indicates a year of development.
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« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2005, 02:26:26 pm »
Here is a link to several photos of Pioneer Park, which is shared by Tusculum College and the Greeneville Astros.  It is a very nice park (players say only one other park in the Appy league is in the same class - Danville).
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« Reply #79 on: November 04, 2005, 01:25:00 pm »
If only Chewy could get command of the strike zone. He now has 5 HRs and 8 SBs and a .300 BA in AFL play.  Still Ks too much and isn't walking alot, so I have to guess alot of his Ks are swinging and not because he is trying to work the count.

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« Reply #80 on: November 10, 2005, 11:53:44 pm »
I noticed that Buchholz had a very strong AFL campaign. Could be in the hunt for a rotation spot next Spring.

Anyone have a status update on Grigsby?

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23 IP in 7 G, 6 GS is "strong"???  At least he finally went 5IP and picked up his only win in his last start.  He did pitch well, which is encouraging, but he needs to go a long way to get to "strong" from here.
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23 IP in 7 G, 6 GS is "strong"???  At least he finally went 5IP and picked up his only win in his last start.  He did pitch well, which is encouraging, but he needs to go a long way to get to "strong" from here.




Buckholz is a weird case, also, because of his past history of extreme struggles once jumping a level for the first time.  Add to that the fact that he gives up a lot of deep flies to left at RR that would likely be well into the Crawford Boxes against major league hitters.  He'll be a tough guy to transition to mlb, and so i doubt he'd be the preferred choice to start on a team in contention.

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« Reply #83 on: November 13, 2005, 02:32:35 pm »
I saw this morning that Luke Scott is smacking the ball around in winter league.

What is his status?  Does he go into spring with a chance to win a role with the club, or is there no room for him with Lamb around?

I don't know anything about anything, but he seemed much improved in his limited AB at the end of the season after returning from a year at Round Rock.  I'm remembering his long appearance to draw a BB to load the bases for Berkman in the NLCS.

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what is that link supposed to prove/show?
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Absolutely nothing, other than give you another person's perspective on some of the Astros young stars.

Just ran across it, thought I would toss it out there for others to view.  Since most of us can't see all of them play, it never hurts to get multiple opinions from people, since getting straight info from the org is not always easy.

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Absolutely nothing, other than give you another person's perspective on some of the Astros young stars.

Just ran across it, thought I would toss it out there for others to view.  Since most of us can't see all of them play, it never hurts to get multiple opinions from people, since getting straight info from the org is not always easy.




I think he's got Nieve pretty right, esp related to the off-speed stuff.

I think he overvalues Anderson.

He almost got Gimenez. "He tends to let bad at-bats frustrate him, and has a hard time shaking these feelings off during the next at-bat."  Gimenez, according to one source of mine, takes his bad at-bats on the field.  If he has bad at-bats he calls a bad game behind the plate.

He neglected Hirsh's change-up, which I think will surprise folks at RR.  I think he undervalues Jason.  In my mind, Hirsh is our #1 or #2 prospect.

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the year i did color for the Express, i got to know Ensberg better than i did the others, except for Cole. one night in SA, i was sitting in the bull pen watching BP, and Ensberg came and sat down for 10-15 minutes. it was a fascinating conversation. he was about to go to Venezuela to play winter ball, and he told me the overwhelming value of that was that he would learn how to be a professional ballplayer. he said doing well was important, of course, but more important was learning how to play day in and day out in a relatively high pressure environment. maybe Luke is there for the same experience.
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« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2005, 06:07:40 pm »
I totally agree about Hirsh... while I don't expect him to start the year in the rotation (although it is possible) I do expect him to start at least a couple of games during the year in 06, and become a part of the rotation full time in 07.  I think he will become our #2 to Roy very soon (or #3 behind Pettitte and Roy).

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He almost got Gimenez. "He tends to let bad at-bats frustrate him, and has a hard time shaking these feelings off during the next at-bat."  Gimenez, according to one source of mine, takes his bad at-bats on the field.  If he has bad at-bats he calls a bad game behind the plate.





That bothers me a bit, because I don't see Chavez being part of the team next year, and if we don't sign Ausmus, or he goes down with injury, I was hoping Gimenez would be able to fill in, cause I don't think the club is high on Quintero.

Seems like our Catcher situation is even worse than I feared.

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Quintero is pretty damn good and is better than Gimenez.
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Quintero is pretty damn good and is better than Gimenez.



Don't get me wrong, I thought he was better than Chavez, then the club made that move on Aug 31, which confused the heck out of me.  I figure they (players or management) don't like something about Quintero, but I don't know what it might be.

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I totally agree about Hirsh... while I don't expect him to start the year in the rotation (although it is possible) I do expect him to start at least a couple of games during the year in 06, and become a part of the rotation full time in 07.  I think he will become our #2 to Roy very soon (or #3 behind Pettitte and Roy).




I think Hirsh is #3 behind Buchholz and Nieve at the moment, though I wouldn't be surprised is that changed next season.  

Oh, and imagine that rotation at RR to start 06.  Buchholz (if he's there), Nieve, Hirsh...
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He almost got Gimenez. "He tends to let bad at-bats frustrate him, and has a hard time shaking these feelings off during the next at-bat."  Gimenez, according to one source of mine, takes his bad at-bats on the field.  If he has bad at-bats he calls a bad game behind the plate.





That bothers me a bit, because I don't see Chavez being part of the team next year, and if we don't sign Ausmus, or he goes down with injury, I was hoping Gimenez would be able to fill in, cause I don't think the club is high on Quintero.

Seems like our Catcher situation is even worse than I feared.





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Quintero is pretty damn good and is better than Gimenez.



Don't get me wrong, I thought he was better than Chavez, then the club made that move on Aug 31, which confused the heck out of me.  I figure they (players or management) don't like something about Quintero, but I don't know what it might be.





At the time, Purp explained the move, and it does not seem to me that anything has happened that would lead to questioning the veracity of that explanation.  Quintero did not have the experience and Chavez did.  Neither figured to get much time in the playoffs anyway.  I expect Q to be the backup to somebody in Houston this year.  And I hope it is Ausmus.  We'll probably see Gimenez back in RR, and it will be interesting to see how he does at the higher level and after another year of AA seasoning.  

And on the same positional topic, does anyone have a read on Kevin Davidson from personal observation?  His batting stats look interesting, but especially at C, I wouldn't want to project success on that basis alone.
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« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2005, 11:14:39 am »
Here is the team he is on, btw lots of Astros (and former Astros) on this team.


Brandon Duckworth
Raul Chavez
Hector Gimenez
Wladimir Sutil
Saul Torres
Fancisco Carabello
Luke Scott
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Quintero is pretty damn good and is better than Gimenez.



Don't get me wrong, I thought he was better than Chavez, then the club made that move on Aug 31, which confused the heck out of me.  I figure they (players or management) don't like something about Quintero, but I don't know what it might be.




At the time, Purp explained the move, and it does not seem to me that anything has happened that would lead to questioning the veracity of that explanation.  Quintero did not have the experience and Chavez did.  Neither figured to get much time in the playoffs anyway.  I expect Q to be the backup to somebody in Houston this year.  




Would you have trusted a virtual rookie like Quintero to play first base in the 18-inning Atlanta game?

I agree with Jim, though.  I was very impressed with Q from what I saw of him in RR, and was pleasantly suprised by his hitting skills, especially his opposite field line drive stroke),

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At the time, Purp explained the move, and it does not seem to me that anything has happened that would lead to questioning the veracity of that explanation.  Quintero did not have the experience and Chavez did.  Neither figured to get much time in the playoffs anyway.  I expect Q to be the backup to somebody in Houston this year.  





Would you have trusted a virtual rookie like Quintero to play first base in the 18-inning Atlanta game?






No.  Which was exactly my point.  The decision was based on not wanting to put a "virtual rookie" in that kind of situation and says nothing about what the Astros front office thinks of his potential.  I still think that they are happy with the trade and still expect Q to make the 25-man out of ST.
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Well that brings them to 32 memebers on the 40 man roster.  Figure the replacements/re-signings of Clemens, Springer, Ausmus, Viz, and OP brings it to 37... What are the other 3 slots for?  For this reason I ponder the removing of Gothreaux.  Not that I think he is all that, but he has shown something previously, I guess he is not projecting well according to our scouts.

Still what are the extra 3 slots for?  And the only 2 of the 5 I think was Rule V elibigble were Albers and Paulino.  But Hirsh and Anderson have outside shots at making the club in 06 at some point.  Barthmaier is interesting, as they are rewarding him for his improvement and play, and encouraging him, so I can see that move too.  Although Patton was not given the same reward, I guess cause he is younger and the club plans on being more cautious with him.

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Typically the minor leaguers practice and play intersquad games at the Osceola grounds.  There are 4 more fields behind Oseola County stadium.  I believe the practices and games are open to the public, but only on days when the big league club is traveling.  I love going to the practices.

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For this reason I ponder the removing of Gothreaux. Not that I think he is all that, but he has shown something previously, I guess he is not projecting well according to our scouts.



Gothreaux had elbow surgery at the end of the season.  He probably won't be close to 100% until mid-late 2006.  Therefore, the Astros are willing to gamble that no other team is willing to burn a 25-man roster spot on Goat for the 2006 season.  If he were healthy, you can bet that Goat would still be on the 40-man.

On the topic of Express personnel and the 40-man, I hope that some other team is prudent enough to select Brooks Conrad in the upcoming Rule 5 draft.  Althoug his batting average was down and his strikeouts up in '05, he nonetheless hit 19 HRs while playing very solid 2B in his first taste of AAA.  If the Astros can't or won't give him a shot, then, for his sake, I hope someone else does.
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 Barthmaier is interesting, as they are rewarding him for his improvement and play, and encouraging him, so I can see that move too.  Although Patton was not given the same reward, I guess cause he is younger and the club plans on being more cautious with him.




Barthmaier was drafted a year ahead of Patton.  That may be why he is there and Patton is not.
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« Reply #105 on: November 22, 2005, 03:38:48 pm »
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Gothreaux had elbow surgery at the end of the season.  He probably won't be close to 100% until mid-late 2006.  Therefore, the Astros are willing to gamble that no other team is willing to burn a 25-man roster spot on Goat for the 2006 season.  If he were healthy, you can bet that Goat would still be on the 40-man.




I'm not well-versed on the details of the Rule V; could another team not select him, then stick him on the major league DL?
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Gothreaux had elbow surgery at the end of the season.  He probably won't be close to 100% until mid-late 2006.  Therefore, the Astros are willing to gamble that no other team is willing to burn a 25-man roster spot on Goat for the 2006 season.  If he were healthy, you can bet that Goat would still be on the 40-man.




I'm not well-versed on the details of the Rule V; could another team not select him, then stick him on the major league DL?




No, any player selected in the Rule 5 draft must remain on the selecting team's  25-man roster for the entirety of the following season.
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« Reply #108 on: November 29, 2005, 12:59:42 pm »
Luke Scott continues to tear of the Winter League: .408/.500/.837 in 49 ABs, but he has 15 Ks and 8 walks, to go along with 5 dingers.

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« Reply #109 on: November 29, 2005, 08:03:11 pm »
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And the only 2 of the 5 I think was Rule V elibigble were Albers and Paulino.  But Hirsh and Anderson have outside shots at making the club in 06 at some point.  Barthmaier is interesting, as they are rewarding him for his improvement and play, and encouraging him, so I can see that move too.  Although Patton was not given the same reward, I guess cause he is younger and the club plans on being more cautious with him.




Unless there's been some changes to the Rule 5 that I'm not aware of, Barthmaier is in fact eligible to be drafted. He was 19 at the time he signed his contract. Irrespective of their chances of seeing action with the big club in '06, Hirsh and Anderson are also eligible. Thus, all 5 of the players Purp protected in fact HAD to be protected or risk getting picked off by another organization.
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« Reply #110 on: November 29, 2005, 08:17:17 pm »
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And the only 2 of the 5 I think was Rule V elibigble were Albers and Paulino.  But Hirsh and Anderson have outside shots at making the club in 06 at some point.  Barthmaier is interesting, as they are rewarding him for his improvement and play, and encouraging him, so I can see that move too.  Although Patton was not given the same reward, I guess cause he is younger and the club plans on being more cautious with him.




Unless there's been some changes to the Rule 5 that I'm not aware of, Barthmaier is in fact eligible to be drafted. He was 19 at the time he signed his contract. Irrespective of their chances of seeing action with the big club in '06, Hirsh and Anderson are also eligible. Thus, all 5 of the players Purp protected in fact HAD to be protected or risk getting picked off by another organization.





Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #111 on: November 29, 2005, 08:30:05 pm »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.
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« Reply #112 on: November 30, 2005, 01:32:23 am »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.





Interesting.  Conflicting info on the web by supposedly knowledgable sources, whoda thunk it.  Here's BAonline's take on the rules for the rule 5 draft.
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« Reply #113 on: November 30, 2005, 03:18:33 am »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.




Interesting.  Conflicting info on the web by supposedly knowledgable sources, whoda thunk it.  Here's BAonline's take on the rules for the rule 5 draft.




If you look back over the last couple of years at some of the players taken in the Rule 5, you can see a couple of examples of how exactly the eligibility requirements are applied:

1. P Luke Hagerty was taken by the Cubs in the 1st round of the 2002 draft and was at least 19 years old (21, in fact) when he signed. The 2004 draft was the 3rd Rule 5 draft he'd seen since being drafted, thus making him eligible. And in fact he was taken by the Orioles. (Hagerty was ultimately returned to the Cubs.)

2. P Chris Mabeus was taken in the 13th round of the 2001 draft by Oakland. He was 22 when he signed. Thus, he was Rule 5 eligible in 2003 and was claimed by the Rangers. (Like Hagerty, he didn't stick and came back to the A's).

I see no evidence to suggest the Rule 5 eligibility rules have been modifed for the upcoming draft. Thus, anyone who signed a contract at age 19 after being taken in the 2003 draft is eligible to be taken in this year's Rule 5 draft unless (A) they're protected on the 40-man roster or (B) they were DFEs who didn't sign contracts until the 2004 season. Since Barthmaier, Hirsh and Anderson were not DFEs, all are draft eligible and consequently must be protected.
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« Reply #114 on: November 30, 2005, 11:26:57 am »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.




Interesting.  Conflicting info on the web by supposedly knowledgable sources, whoda thunk it.  Here's BAonline's take on the rules for the rule 5 draft.




If you look back over the last couple of years at some of the players taken in the Rule 5, you can see a couple of examples of how exactly the eligibility requirements are applied:

1. P Luke Hagerty was taken by the Cubs in the 1st round of the 2002 draft and was at least 19 years old (21, in fact) when he signed. The 2004 draft was the 3rd Rule 5 draft he'd seen since being drafted, thus making him eligible. And in fact he was taken by the Orioles. (Hagerty was ultimately returned to the Cubs.)

2. P Chris Mabeus was taken in the 13th round of the 2001 draft by Oakland. He was 22 when he signed. Thus, he was Rule 5 eligible in 2003 and was claimed by the Rangers. (Like Hagerty, he didn't stick and came back to the A's).

I see no evidence to suggest the Rule 5 eligibility rules have been modifed for the upcoming draft. Thus, anyone who signed a contract at age 19 after being taken in the 2003 draft is eligible to be taken in this year's Rule 5 draft unless (A) they're protected on the 40-man roster or (B) they were DFEs who didn't sign contracts until the 2004 season. Since Barthmaier, Hirsh and Anderson were not DFEs, all are draft eligible and consequently must be protected.




Ok, so if that is how it works then the Astros took a major chance that some crappy team like TB or KC or Pitt wouldn't take a flier on Albers as he would have been eligible last year.  He signed in 02 as a draft and follow and was 19.  His stuff is top of the rotation caliber.
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« Reply #115 on: November 30, 2005, 04:25:28 pm »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.




Interesting.  Conflicting info on the web by supposedly knowledgable sources, whoda thunk it.  Here's BAonline's take on the rules for the rule 5 draft.




If you look back over the last couple of years at some of the players taken in the Rule 5, you can see a couple of examples of how exactly the eligibility requirements are applied:

1. P Luke Hagerty was taken by the Cubs in the 1st round of the 2002 draft and was at least 19 years old (21, in fact) when he signed. The 2004 draft was the 3rd Rule 5 draft he'd seen since being drafted, thus making him eligible. And in fact he was taken by the Orioles. (Hagerty was ultimately returned to the Cubs.)

2. P Chris Mabeus was taken in the 13th round of the 2001 draft by Oakland. He was 22 when he signed. Thus, he was Rule 5 eligible in 2003 and was claimed by the Rangers. (Like Hagerty, he didn't stick and came back to the A's).

I see no evidence to suggest the Rule 5 eligibility rules have been modifed for the upcoming draft. Thus, anyone who signed a contract at age 19 after being taken in the 2003 draft is eligible to be taken in this year's Rule 5 draft unless (A) they're protected on the 40-man roster or (B) they were DFEs who didn't sign contracts until the 2004 season. Since Barthmaier, Hirsh and Anderson were not DFEs, all are draft eligible and consequently must be protected.




Ok, so if that is how it works then the Astros took a major chance that some crappy team like TB or KC or Pitt wouldn't take a flier on Albers as he would have been eligible last year.  He signed in 02 as a draft and follow and was 19.  His stuff is top of the rotation caliber.




You use your examples, I'll use mine. Jared Gothreaux and Mark McLemore were 2002 draft picks and were both at least 19 when signed. Being draft eligible last year, the Astros chose to protect both by placing them on the 40-man roster.

Obviously, neither of these players had Albers' upside. The only thing I can speculate about Matt is that his well-publicized off the field troubles in 2004, along with the fact of having never pitched above low-A ball, convinced management that no one would ever take him. And obviously they made the correct judgement. Having kept his nose clean this past year and with another year's experience at a higher level, Purp decided the risk was too great with Albers in '05 and he now chooses to protect the guy.

And if you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass with my take on these rules, then by all means go put a bug in Agent Smith's ear and have him or someone else find out if there's yet another exception to the Rule 5 requirements that would made Albers ineligible last season. I don't think there was, but as I said from the outset me no expert.
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« Reply #116 on: November 30, 2005, 05:04:33 pm »
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Dammit.  Wait.  Barthmaier was 19 prior to the June 5th before he signed.  So, he has 3 years of service time before being eligible for the Rule 5 draft.  I thought that put him at about 2 1/2 years of time right now.  Signed middle of 2003, it's now end of 2005.  I don't think they count seasons played as service time rather chronological time from the moment they sign.  Correct me if I'm wrong.




I'm no expert on these silly rules, but the way I've seen it explained is whether or not  this is the third Rule 5 draft since the player signed (assuming the player was 19 when he signed his contract). If that's still the rule, then this in fact would be Barthmaier's third Rule 5.




Interesting.  Conflicting info on the web by supposedly knowledgable sources, whoda thunk it.  Here's BAonline's take on the rules for the rule 5 draft.




If you look back over the last couple of years at some of the players taken in the Rule 5, you can see a couple of examples of how exactly the eligibility requirements are applied:

1. P Luke Hagerty was taken by the Cubs in the 1st round of the 2002 draft and was at least 19 years old (21, in fact) when he signed. The 2004 draft was the 3rd Rule 5 draft he'd seen since being drafted, thus making him eligible. And in fact he was taken by the Orioles. (Hagerty was ultimately returned to the Cubs.)

2. P Chris Mabeus was taken in the 13th round of the 2001 draft by Oakland. He was 22 when he signed. Thus, he was Rule 5 eligible in 2003 and was claimed by the Rangers. (Like Hagerty, he didn't stick and came back to the A's).

I see no evidence to suggest the Rule 5 eligibility rules have been modifed for the upcoming draft. Thus, anyone who signed a contract at age 19 after being taken in the 2003 draft is eligible to be taken in this year's Rule 5 draft unless (A) they're protected on the 40-man roster or (B) they were DFEs who didn't sign contracts until the 2004 season. Since Barthmaier, Hirsh and Anderson were not DFEs, all are draft eligible and consequently must be protected.




Ok, so if that is how it works then the Astros took a major chance that some crappy team like TB or KC or Pitt wouldn't take a flier on Albers as he would have been eligible last year.  He signed in 02 as a draft and follow and was 19.  His stuff is top of the rotation caliber.




You use your examples, I'll use mine. Jared Gothreaux and Mark McLemore were 2002 draft picks and were both at least 19 when signed. Being draft eligible last year, the Astros chose to protect both by placing them on the 40-man roster.

Obviously, neither of these players had Albers' upside. The only thing I can speculate about Matt is that his well-publicized off the field troubles in 2004, along with the fact of having never pitched above low-A ball, convinced management that no one would ever take him. And obviously they made the correct judgement. Having kept his nose clean this past year and with another year's experience at a higher level, Purp decided the risk was too great with Albers in '05 and he now chooses to protect the guy.

And if you think I'm blowing smoke up your ass with my take on these rules, then by all means go put a bug in Agent Smith's ear and have him or someone else find out if there's yet another exception to the Rule 5 requirements that would made Albers ineligible last season. I don't think there was, but as I said from the outset me no expert.




On the contrary, I think you are right.  I was pointing out an example of where the Astros took a chance by leaving a guy off the 40-man, ala Santana.  Obviously Albers drinking problems affected others' view of him and, IMO the Astros are fortunate he's still with the club, esp if his off-field antics are behind him.
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Ladueth turned 21 in June.  He is likely too advanced for that league.  If the Astros think anything of him, they'll move him to the States.  I don't have a scouting report on him at the moment.

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« Reply #119 on: December 01, 2005, 04:12:53 pm »
John Sickles reviews his pre season top twenty.

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It's easy to hindsight.  

I differ with him on a few things, pre-season-wise, but he gives no indication where he stands now.

What are you looking for?  Are you wanting comments on the comments?



As an aside, after the first of the year, we'll begin putting together the OWA top ten +.
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« Reply #121 on: December 01, 2005, 06:43:17 pm »
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I have seen better observations from posters here.

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1) Hirsh
2) Patton
3) Nieve
4) Barthmaier
5) Iorg
6) Pence
7)The Link
8) J. Gutierrez
9) Bogusevic
10)Flores

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John Sickles reviews his pre season top twenty.

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It's easy to hindsight.  

I differ with him on a few things, pre-season-wise, but he gives no indication where he stands now.

What are you looking for?  Are you wanting comments on the comments?



As an aside, after the first of the year, we'll begin putting together the OWA top ten +.





Just giving fodder for discussion was all I was looking for.  

I am looking forward to the OWA top 10.
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I think it is significant that 6 of the 10 played rookie ball in the last 2 years and 8 of the 10 were drafted in the last 2 years.  That is a bunch of young talent.  

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Paulino at #7 is a bit of a suprise to me.

I am cautious about Iorg.  He was too old for the league he played. And he played not even a full short season because of injury.  

I thought Zobrist would be on the list.
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« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2005, 10:41:33 am »
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I think it is significant that 6 of the 10 played rookie ball in the last 2 years and 8 of the 10 were drafted in the last 2 years.  That is a bunch of young talent.  

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Paulino at #7 is a bit of a suprise to me.

I am cautious about Iorg.  He was too old for the league he played. And he played not even a full short season because of injury.  

I thought Zobrist would be on the list.





7 of 10 are pitchers ... If that really represents reality, I like it.  Much easier to trade good young pitching for a seasoned and reliable bat than the other way around.
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1) Hirsh
2) Patton
3) Nieve
4) Barthmaier
5) Iorg
6) Pence
7)The Link
8) J. Gutierrez
9) Bogusevic
10)Flores





I agree with some, disagree with others.  Callis has made huge reaches on Iorg, Paulino, Bogusevic, and Flores.  One thing you can always count on with BA is that if a player is very athletic (see Iorg and Flores) and has one good season at any level, even short-season A-ball (see Einertson), they'll use a whole lot of projection to put him in the top 10.

One thing I'm pretty sure of is that our top 10 won't include anyone with short-season ball only under their belt.  That's just way too much projection for us.  We prefer to use some professional history in basing our judgements.  A lot of these guys will be in our players to watch section.
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« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2005, 10:59:26 am »
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I think it is significant that 6 of the 10 played rookie ball in the last 2 years and 8 of the 10 were drafted in the last 2 years.  That is a bunch of young talent.  

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Paulino at #7 is a bit of a suprise to me.

I am cautious about Iorg.  He was too old for the league he played. And he played not even a full short season because of injury.  

I thought Zobrist would be on the list.





Iorg is fine.  He was too old for Greeneville.  However, now that he's healthy I'm expecting him to be quite good whereever the Astros put him.

Zobrist is just 1 year younger than Burke and Conrad and he hasn't even made it to AA, yet.  That's why he's not on the list, and why he won't be on ours.
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« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2005, 11:55:03 am »
Wow - this list is really bad. What have Iorg and flores really proved to make themselves better prospects than Josh Anderson? And Josh Flores is faster than Anderson!!?

Also, their best tools sections is rather peculiar.Pence should be the best power hitter if anything, and zobrist/ash/anderson should be best hitter for average IMO.

Paulino's fastball is the fastest, but I would take Patton's or even Hirsch's fastball anyday of the week because their's has movement and sink.

I'm as big a Tulane student and know the two personally, but even Bogi would tell you he doesn't deserve to be a top ten prospect at this point - he might deserve it after next year, but certainly didn't do anything this year to prove he's a top prospect. And Manzella the best infielder after a half a year?

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« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2005, 12:39:35 pm »
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Wow - this list is really bad. What have Iorg and flores really proved to make themselves better prospects than Josh Anderson? And Josh Flores is faster than Anderson!!?




Mark this down.  The Astros have 3 of the fastest guys you'll see in baseball.  Taveras, Anderson, and Flores can flat out fly.  I think Anderson is actually the slowest of the 3.  And by slowest I mean the flames behind him as he runs aren't quite as high as behind the other 2.


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Also, their best tools sections is rather peculiar.Pence should be the best power hitter if anything, and zobrist/ash/anderson should be best hitter for average IMO.




Anderson, no way.  Zobrist is the most likely candidate.  Pence and Scott for power hitter is pretty even, IMO.


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Paulino's fastball is the fastest, but I would take Patton's or even Hirsch's fastball anyday of the week because their's has movement and sink.




This is a reflection of BA's love with velocity.  There are a few guys in the org that throw hard, but not as hard as Paulino, and with movement.  Do not forget Matt Albers.  If he really has his life back together, he could have THE breakout season for the Astros in 06.  His stuff is Nasty.


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I'm as big a Tulane student and know the two personally, but even Bogi would tell you he doesn't deserve to be a top ten prospect at this point - he might deserve it after next year, but certainly didn't do anything this year to prove he's a top prospect. And Manzella the best infielder after a half a year?




Bogusevic in the top 10 is projection based on perceived talent and the lack of lefty pitchers in the org.

When I look at middle infielders in the org I see a lot of mediocrity.  No one at AAA appears to figure into the Astros plans.  Same goes for AA.  At high-A, Zobrist is a possibility.  He's above average across the board.  Ash could make it as a bench player.  At low-A, Sutil is definitely a prospect.  Sutton is a fringe prospect.  At SS-A, Manzella is a prospect.  King is fringe.  At rookie ball, the prospects there are much too raw to consider at the moment.  The Astros have nothing at 3b other than Koby and the jury is still out on him.  Manzella is likely steadier but with less range than Sutil.  So, it's no surprise Manzella is picked as best defensive infielder.

The one I wonder about is Towles as best defensive catcher.  Better than Santangelo, Gimenez, and Quintero?  If that's really true, and I've not heard that he is that good, look out.
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« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2005, 12:45:43 pm »
Ok, my comments on the list BA provided:

Hirsh:  Like that he is #1, even though Nieve was promoted to AAA before him, I think he has higher potential, and IMO is a better candidate for the rotation should Zeke and Wandy get hurt or traded.  He really does need another year of working on making his change-up (his 3rd pitcher) better to be a true (1/2) starter.  But I think he will be the best prospect pitching wise to come out of our system since Roy.
Patton:  I really like this kid's potential, but given that he still has yet to pitch a full season and be stretched out... well there is still alot to prove.  Keep in mind prospect labels have to do with projection.  Patton has shown he might be all that, but as some others have pointed out he might not have been the best pitcher who started last year at Lexington.  But given his age, he has the chance to be very special still.
Nieve:  Well I tend to run hot and cold with him.  I think that is because he has shown alot of that in his career so far.  When on, he is exceptional... when not, not.  While he was moved to AAA middle of last year, I think he needs at least another year before thinking about bringing him up to the big roster.
Barthmaeir:   He is the other guy with Patton that started at Lexington.  I think he will actually be better than Patton, but given he is older, I may be wrong and Patton may pass him up (again on that potential thing).  I think along with Hirsh and Patton you are looking at hopefully the future of the Astros pitching staff.  This kid is really starting to put it all together and it wouldn't surprise me to see him end the year at AA (and dominating) and then be looked at in 07 as a possible rotation guy.
Igor:  WOW, I never would have thought him put this high.  I think the kid has potential, but like Jacksonian stated, hard to put guys who have only 1 SS under their belt anything better than on a "watch" list.
Pence:  Kid's got a mean stick, but needs to work on his defense.  That seems to be the overall opinion of Hunter so far.  Weak arm, will restrict him to LF if he ever makes "the show" but seems to have a good make-up at the plate with power and patience.  Needs to continue to prove he can do it against tougher pitchers who throw more breaking stuff.  Sad that IMO, he is out best position prospect and he is still never been to AA.
Felipe Paulino Del Guidice:  With a name this long, he needs a nickname!  But this kid has that potential to be a Brad Lidge/Billy Wanger type.  He has a thunderbolt of a Right arm.  At 22 and just reaching low A at the end of last year, he needs to put it together relatively quickly, but given the Astros put him on the 40-man, you have to like his chances.
Gutierrez:  Wow the Astros have some really strong pitching at lower levels last year.  Juan has some maturity issues to overcome.  He is very animated and has both on and off the field antics that as I recall got him benched for a game or two last year to try to settle him down.  He was put on the 40-man roster because he has been with the club since an early age.  He has really high potential, but his non-baseball talent issues might be what derails him.  Of the pitching prospects listed so far, he definately is the longest shot to actually make the club, but he definately has the talent to get there.
Bogusevic:  I guess everyone's 1st rounder should be treated with high expectations.  Given the Astros "baby-ed" him last year because of the work load he had from Tulanem, we still have not have a chance to see him really showcase his talents yet.  Given his success in college and the fact that he is very athletic makes me believe he might be the real deal, but until we see what he can do as a starter it is hard to projcet him at all.  He should be high on the watch list and legitimately in the top 10 next year after he has a chance to prove himself.
Flores:  I think he really might be a steal for us.  But as stated before, let's see what you can do over a full season.  He might have that rare power-speed combo, but still has alot of learning to do, as he Ks too much and is converting from SS to OF.  WAY too early to put him on the prospect list IMO, but I actually liked him more than Eli based on last year.

General Comments: Yes the Astros are stacked with REALLY high quality pitching prospects, most are still not even to AA.  And only 1 has a chance to make an impact next year IMO.  
   There were also some pitchers left off the list that I might have been tempted to include: Matt Albers, has battled through personal problems and loss of confidence but might have turned a major corner last year and has top of the rotation stuff; Taylor Buchholz has battled some injuries and inconsistency since he came in the Wagner deal, but still has the potential to be in the rotation if injuries or trades occur; Chance Douglass to me has shown more than some of our young players who BBA put on their list, and gives us another potential pitcher in our system, and we all know you can never have enough of them.
   On the batting side we have very little above high-A from last year.  This is where the system is really hurting and why we are not rated higher, and why I feel trades are very possible this off-season for talent other than ML talent.  
   Depending on how you define Prospect (being ceiling of potential or chance to help club soon) Josh Anderson is a Taveras Clone.  People argue who is the better overall player, but to me they are very similar, Taveras being a bit more polished.  People may also call for Johnny Ash and Ben Zobrist to be on the list, but Ash doesn't have the "tools" that wows people, so he is often overlooked, and Zobrist is not a plus defender and as a SS that can be difficult to overcome even with his impressive On base skills. Mitch Einertson battled some personal issues this season, but when he came back he looked good, but it is difficult to live up to what he did in SS in 04.  Still he might turn out to be pretty decent.  Koby Clemens shows alot and given Eli and Flores were on the list I was surprised no mention of Koby just from name recognition, but his glove needs some work, but I think he has the drive to fix that problem.  Chewy has long been thought of as potential given his surplus of tools, but he still can't seem to harness all that talent and hit more consistantly and reduce his K numbers.  If he could somehow turn that corner, he probably is our best position player in the system, but given how long we have been saying that about him, his window is dwindling.  Hector Gimenez is the only position player AA or above who projects to help the ML club.  He has great defensive skills for a catcher, but still hasn't hit close to .300 at any level and has major questions with his bat.  Say what you want about Ausmus, he was able to hit decently for a while during his career, there is nothing to indicate Gimenez can do even that much yet.  Even so, he will likely be the AAA catcher in 06.

   So in Summary, the farm system is VERY rich in pitching potential, and VERY poor in high levels at position players, but there is a crop comming that came from the 04 and 05 drafts.  I figure in a year or two the Astros will be in the top 10 in minor league talent if the trends of the last couple of drafts continues.

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« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2005, 12:53:10 pm »
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The one I wonder about is Towles as best defensive catcher.  Better than Santangelo, Gimenez, and Quintero?  If that's really true, and I've not heard that he is that good, look out.




Dunman has been championing Towles all last season.  I never heard he was that good, although he looked like he might have the best bat of the low level Catchers.  I ALWAYS thought Gimenez and Santangelo were considered the top two defensive catchers and by alot... but I guess people can improve in the minors... that is what they are for after all.  And if Manzella can be our top defensive infielder after half a season, I have heard Ralph Henriquez (the high school catcher we drafted last year) is pretty awesome defensively, which should be no surprise given his dad is a catching instructor for the Braves minor league system.

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« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2005, 01:12:26 pm »
Have you seen Hirsh's changeup?  Filthy.  Go to minorleaguebaseball.com.  Look for their Astros minors recap.  There's a short clip of Hirsh in the All-Star game.  He K's a guy on what the announcer says is a splitter.  In fact, it's the change.  What Hirsh needs to do, and I bet he knows this, is to work on his overall consistency.  With his stuff, as soon as the Astros believe he is consistent enough, they'll call him up at the first opportunity.

I am concerned about Nieve's off-speed stuff.  He could end up anywhere from a top of the rotation guy to the next Dotel.

I'm on-board with Douglass.  I think he gets overlooked because of the attention paid to Patton, Barthmaier, and Gutierrez.

As I sit here thinking about Einertson I can't help but think he'll at best be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  His off-field problems were/are extreme, more than the Astros will let on.  It will take more than 1 month for him to iron out all those problems.  He's already behind, from top to bottom, Lane, Taveras, Anderson, Pence, and Caraballo.  He's about to get passed by Iorg and Flores.  There are other talented outfielders below him.  All of that competition, plus having to deal with his problems, puts him behind several 8 balls.
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« Reply #133 on: December 02, 2005, 01:41:03 pm »
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As I sit here thinking about Einertson I can't help but think he'll at best be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  His off-field problems were/are extreme, more than the Astros will let on.  It will take more than 1 month for him to iron out all those problems.  He's already behind, from top to bottom, Lane, Taveras, Anderson, Pence, and Caraballo.  He's about to get passed by Iorg and Flores.  There are other talented outfielders below him.  All of that competition, plus having to deal with his problems, puts him behind several 8 balls.





if it's appropriate to mention on this public forum, what specifically are his off-field problems?  i've not heard anyone say exactly what they are, only make sarcastic comments about the "family problems" euphemism.

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As I sit here thinking about Einertson I can't help but think he'll at best be a 4th or 5th outfielder.  His off-field problems were/are extreme, more than the Astros will let on.  It will take more than 1 month for him to iron out all those problems.  He's already behind, from top to bottom, Lane, Taveras, Anderson, Pence, and Caraballo.  He's about to get passed by Iorg and Flores.  There are other talented outfielders below him.  All of that competition, plus having to deal with his problems, puts him behind several 8 balls.





if it's appropriate to mention on this public forum, what specifically are his off-field problems?  i've not heard anyone say exactly what they are, only make sarcastic comments about the "family problems" euphemism.





I'm not at liberty to say otherwise I might compromise my source.  Needless to say "family problems" weren't it.  He's got more than one issue, but one of the issues is, IMO, quite severe.  We may talk about it in more detail if some journalistic publication breaks the news first.
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« Reply #135 on: December 02, 2005, 02:01:29 pm »
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The one I wonder about is Towles as best defensive catcher.  Better than Santangelo, Gimenez, and Quintero?  If that's really true, and I've not heard that he is that good, look out.




Dunman has been championing Towles all last season.  I never heard he was that good, although he looked like he might have the best bat of the low level Catchers.  I ALWAYS thought Gimenez and Santangelo were considered the top two defensive catchers and by alot... but I guess people can improve in the minors... that is what they are for after all.  And if Manzella can be our top defensive infielder after half a season, I have heard Ralph Henriquez (the high school catcher we drafted last year) is pretty awesome defensively, which should be no surprise given his dad is a catching instructor for the Braves minor league system.




Look at the pitchers Towles has caught over the last two years.  In both seasons the top three starters were Patton, Barthmier & Juan G.  All have pretty good control and will make a catcher look good.  However, he was called to Nolan Ryan camp last year (that may have been because he lives in Texas and was available or because he has some big potential).I like the kid for the way he plays the game. One of the most impressive facts is that he wasn't supposed to be ready for Lexington this year and was only there because of injury and showed he belonged there.  That was impressive.

Ralphie was great behind the plate in rookie ball with a much less mature staff this year.  He also had Russ Nixon, a former catcher, riding him for every mistake. (I hope he is not back as a rookie league manager next year).  Ralphie did great for 4/5ths of the season.  Near the end, he was getting frustrated and home sick and this was starting to show in the last few weeks of the season.  He has a great deal of upside, esp since he is only 18 and he caught a heck of a lot of games for a short season.

One other little note is that by the end of the season, Brad James was using Dave Kady as his personal catcher.  I don't know what brought this on.  And while James isn't a top prospect (college kid who had two years in rookie ball), he was one of the better pitchers on Greeneville's team. I don't know what brought this on.  Some of the players said it wasn't initiated at the coaching level. I don't think Ralphie complained about having a day off but I found it interesting.

According to the chat transcript that was shared with me, Towles was #11.  Not that is a shock!
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« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2005, 02:27:01 pm »
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Mark this down.  The Astros have 3 of the fastest guys you'll see in baseball.  Taveras, Anderson, and Flores can flat out fly.  I think Anderson is actually the slowest of the 3.  And by slowest I mean the flames behind him as he runs aren't quite as high as behind the other 2.





According to sources Flores gets from the right handed batters box to 1st in just under 4 seconds.  He is so fun to watch run the bases.  When he rounds second, his body looks as though he is running on a NASCAR high bank short track.  There is serious lean going on.  No speed is lost in the turn.  It took him a while to figure out the moves of the pitchers and realizing that speed alone doesn't steal bases in pro ball, but the later part of the season, he stole bases very well.  

He is very professional in his approach to the game.
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« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2005, 02:35:40 pm »
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1) Hirsh
2) Patton
3) Nieve
4) Barthmaier
5) Iorg
6) Pence
7)The Link
8) J. Gutierrez
9) Bogusevic
10)Flores





Hmmmm... BA's Appy league top 20 prospects The Link Flores #8 and Iorg #14.  Can't make up their minds I guess.
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« Reply #138 on: December 02, 2005, 05:47:57 pm »
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Chance Douglass to me has shown more than some of our young players who BBA put on their list, and gives us another potential pitcher in our system, and we all know you can never have enough of them.



 
I tend to be a fan of Douglass, and not just because of his excellent 2005 season for the Avalanche (gotta root for them Amarillo boys). But two things have struck me: (1) he didn't make the Carolina League Top 20 Prospects, a lot of the input for which comes from the league managers, and (2) he's Rule 5 eligible and is unprotected as Dec. 8 rolls around.

Obviously, the latter would indicate that Purp & Co. don't think highly of Douglass' future and would not view it as a major loss if he gets selected. Organizations of course can't put too many of their young players (those who are several years away from the bigs) on the 40-man roster because that will handicap you as far as personnel decisions in the short term. However, Mark McLemore's future is a touch cloudy because of the shoulder injury he suffered, but it's interesting that the organization chose to retain him on the 40-man but left Douglass off (yeah, I know, I know...he's a lefty). BTW, this is the second year in a row that Douglass has been left unprotected in the Rule 5 (though it wasn't a surprise last year given the woeful season he had in '04 at Lexington).

Speaking of the Rule 5, here's a quick and dirty list* of some of the guys who are draft eligible and are unprotected in addition to Douglass:

RHP Mitch Talbot
RHP Chris Sampson
LHP Josh Muecke
2B Brooks Conrad
OF Frankie Caraballo

I'd hazard to guess that Douglass and Muecke are the only ones the Astros would be at significant risk of losing.


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Chance Douglass to me has shown more than some of our young players who BBA put on their list, and gives us another potential pitcher in our system, and we all know you can never have enough of them.



 
I tend to be a fan of Douglass, and not just because of his excellent 2005 season for the Avalanche (gotta root for them Amarillo boys). But two things have struck me: (1) he didn't make the Carolina League Top 20 Prospects, a lot of the input for which comes from the league managers, and (2) he's Rule 5 eligible and is unprotected as Dec. 8 rolls around.

Obviously, the latter would indicate that Purp & Co. don't think highly of Douglass' future and would not view it as a major loss if he gets selected. Organizations of course can't put too many of their young players (those who are several years away from the bigs) on the 40-man roster because that will handicap you as far as personnel decisions in the short term. However, Mark McLemore's future is a touch cloudy because of the shoulder injury he suffered, but it's interesting that the organization chose to retain him on the 40-man but left Douglass off (yeah, I know, I know...he's a lefty). BTW, this is the second year in a row that Douglass has been left unprotected in the Rule 5 (though it wasn't a surprise last year given the woeful season he had in '04 at Lexington).

Speaking of the Rule 5, here's a quick and dirty list* of some of the guys who are draft eligible and are unprotected in addition to Douglass:

RHP Mitch Talbot
RHP Chris Sampson
LHP Josh Muecke
2B Brooks Conrad
OF Frankie Caraballo

I'd hazard to guess that Douglass and Muecke are the only ones the Astros would be at significant risk of losing.


*The list doesn't include players with current injuries or with an injury history who stand little chance of being drafted. And because it was quick and dirty, some guys may have inadvertently been left off (particularly Latin players).





2 things.  First, and least importantly, this is Douglass's first year of eligiblity for Rule 5.  Born 2/84.  Drafted and signed in 2002.  Making him 18 when signing and requiring him to wait until the 4th draft before being eligible.  But, that's neither here nor there.  Second, according to a source who's close to McLemore, he looks to be completely healthy for ST.  That's why the Astros retained him.  Gothreaux, who the Astros removed, is further from recovery.
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« Reply #140 on: December 02, 2005, 06:02:29 pm »
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First, and least importantly, this is Douglass's first year of eligiblity for Rule 5. Born 2/84. Drafted and signed in 2002. Making him 18 when signing and requiring him to wait until the 4th draft before being eligible.  




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« Reply #141 on: December 02, 2005, 06:04:53 pm »
By the way, got sent a transcript of the BA chat.  I'm not a subscriber.  Saw the question on Towles and was surprised that Callis said he's better behind the plate than Santangelo.  I had not ever heard that.  In fact, I think it was Manuel on BA that indicated Towles was good but gave no indication that he was as good as much less better than Santangelo defensively.

I'm not sure why so many people are surprised that Towles has excelled.  He wasn't drafted by Oakland twice for nothing.
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« Reply #142 on: December 02, 2005, 06:13:34 pm »
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The one I wonder about is Towles as best defensive catcher.  Better than Santangelo, Gimenez, and Quintero?  If that's really true, and I've not heard that he is that good, look out.




I don't think Quintero is eligible as a prospect anymore.

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« Reply #143 on: December 02, 2005, 06:27:19 pm »
From the BA article:

"Chad Qualls proved to be a valuable set-up man, and lefty Wandy Rodriguez and outfielder Luke Scott also made contributions."

Crucial BB in Game 4 of the NLDS notwithstanding, what contributions did Scott make? Odd comment from a man who makes money writing about baseball. Eithr that, or I COMPLETELY missed Scott's contributions.

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« Reply #144 on: December 03, 2005, 04:41:38 am »
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Speaking of the Rule 5, here's a quick and dirty list* of some of the guys who are draft eligible and are unprotected in addition to Douglass:

RHP Mitch Talbot
RHP Chris Sampson
LHP Josh Muecke
2B Brooks Conrad
OF Frankie Caraballo

I'd hazard to guess that Douglass and Muecke are the only ones the Astros would be at significant risk of losing.





In BA's just posted Rule 5 Draft Preview, their writer lists Douglass and Muecke along with Gothreaux as one of 35 players who the magazine considers possible Rule 5 draftees. Inclusion of Jared has to be a mistake on BA's part and not just because of his injury status. If every organization passed on claiming Goat when he was exposed to waivers when the Astros removed him from the 40-man roster, why we would they be so stupid as to now claim him in the Rule 5?

And if BA and Callis claims the 'stros are still bumping along the bottom third in terms of overall organization talent, how do you explain so many Houston names on this list?
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Speaking of the Rule 5, here's a quick and dirty list* of some of the guys who are draft eligible and are unprotected in addition to Douglass:

RHP Mitch Talbot
RHP Chris Sampson
LHP Josh Muecke
2B Brooks Conrad
OF Frankie Caraballo

I'd hazard to guess that Douglass and Muecke are the only ones the Astros would be at significant risk of losing.





In BA's just posted Rule 5 Draft Preview, their writer lists Douglass and Muecke along with Gothreaux as one of 35 players who the magazine considers possible Rule 5 draftees. Inclusion of Jared has to be a mistake on BA's part and not just because of his injury status. If every organization passed on claiming Goat when he was exposed to waivers when the Astros removed him from the 40-man roster, why we would they be so stupid as to now claim him in the Rule 5?

And if BA and Callis claims the 'stros are still bumping along the bottom third in terms of overall organization talent, how do you explain so many Houston names on this list?





Callis might say that, but I bet the majority of people at BA disagree. Callis is a Cubs fan and has ridden the Astros farm system for years.

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« Reply #146 on: December 04, 2005, 12:07:51 am »
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I was refering more to the fact that he is not consistant with it.  When it is working it is very nasty, and shows why I think he will be the best since Roy to come out of our system.  I think he has the potential to be better than Roy, but I think that a bit much to thrust on a player who hasn't see any ML time yet.

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While I agree he has alot to overcome, keep in mind he isn't even 20 yet (if I recall correctly).  We drafted him out of HS, so him being behind some guys who are 21/22 or more, is not surprising, especially with his off-field stuff.  So assuming he can straighten out the personal stuff (we has seen both those that have and those that have not recently; see Albers and Grigsby) he can be very good.

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« Reply #147 on: December 05, 2005, 01:07:18 pm »
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From the BA article:

"Chad Qualls proved to be a valuable set-up man, and lefty Wandy Rodriguez and outfielder Luke Scott also made contributions."

Crucial BB in Game 4 of the NLDS notwithstanding, what contributions did Scott make? Odd comment from a man who makes money writing about baseball. Eithr that, or I COMPLETELY missed Scott's contributions.





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« Reply #148 on: December 05, 2005, 01:29:49 pm »
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Quote:

From the BA article:

"Chad Qualls proved to be a valuable set-up man, and lefty Wandy Rodriguez and outfielder Luke Scott also made contributions."

Crucial BB in Game 4 of the NLDS notwithstanding, what contributions did Scott make? Odd comment from a man who makes money writing about baseball. Eithr that, or I COMPLETELY missed Scott's contributions.





Well, he scored six runs, and drove in four more. That's about 10 contributions...





Umm, in the playoffs he was 0-2 with 1 BB and 1K.
I am going to assume your stats are using Regular Season contributions.  In which case Raul Chavez could be considered to have made as much of a contribution, but you don't hear people talking about how valuable he was!

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« Reply #149 on: December 06, 2005, 11:53:47 am »
Yes, I was referring to regular season contributions. I think that's what the article referred to, as well.

 
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Rule 5 draft results...
« Reply #150 on: December 08, 2005, 12:03:13 pm »
No Astros taken in the major league portion of the Rule 5 draft.
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« Reply #151 on: December 08, 2005, 12:06:05 pm »
Thanks Jacksonian...guess Pup and crew did a good job after all.

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« Reply #152 on: December 08, 2005, 02:49:54 pm »
No Astros taken in the minor league portion of the draft either.

Astros picked up Ben Diggins from the Brewers in the AAA portion.  A righty who was in high-A last season and has control problems.  There's no telling if the Astros will keep him or send him back during ST.
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« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2005, 03:16:29 pm »
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Former 1st round pick. He did well in the minors until 2002 and pitched terribly in the majors, then has had injury problems lately, which have been the reason for his control problems (he never had them before). But he apparently has "closer's stuff."

Good pick because either he will fully recover from the injury and give us a terrific arm in the bullpen, or he won't and we just return him to the Brewers.

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« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2005, 03:26:40 pm »
This note was interesting:

 
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Diggins has given up pitching for now and is concentrating on becoming a 1B/DH.
 





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« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2005, 03:56:01 pm »
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There's no telling if the Astros will keep him or send him back during ST.




Just a small clarification here. There's no "send back" requirement in the minor league portion of the Rule 5 draft. Even though a player gets drafted in the AAA phase (for example), he can actually be assigned to a roster at any level. If he's a total dud, he is released and any organization then has the right to sign him.

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« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2005, 05:21:06 pm »
and vilification, now that the Rule 5 is over, here is my quick hit/flawed absolute guess at who will be where to start 2006 in the minors.

Round Rock
C- Gimenez
1B- Huffman
2B- Conrad
3B- Saccomanno
SS- Robinson/Whiteman
OF- Anderson, Rodriguez, Jimerson
P of note- Buchholz, Nieve, Hirsh, McLemore

Corpus Christi
C- Davidson
1B- Robinson
2B- Ash
3B- Peavey/Torres
SS- Zobrist
OF- Pence, Caraballo, Garza
P of note- Muecke, Talbot, Shortell, Albers, Douglass, Stiehl

Salem
C- Towles
1B- Humphries
2B- ?/FA/King/Sutil
3B- Triplett/Torres
SS- Sutton
OF- Einertson, Torbert, Iorg, Reed
P of note- Barthmaier, Patton, Gutierrez, Martinez, Reineke, Englebrook

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C- Santangelo
1B- Ori
2B- Sutil/King
3B- Sellers/Thompson/Hart
SS- Manzella
OF- Cunningham, Warrick, Flores, Parraz
P of note- Paulino, Davis, Bogusevic, McKeller, Pluta

Some of these guys I just couldn't pin down and so listed them multiple times.  I have a feeling I'm a little off on the pitching, not sure where and who though I have an idea.

It looks like some the pitching talent is starting to back up.  I listed 6 guys at Salem who were effective as starters last season.

The Astros look very thin in the infield.

The outfield has some talent at each level.

With the emergence of Towles the Astros look like they might have up to 5 catchers in the minors with real potential.

There it is.  Chew it up folks.
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« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2005, 05:39:21 pm »
A (somewhat) related question to your roster kanoodling:

Have you seen/heard which of the minor league F/A's have been re-signed at this point (or signed from other organizations)? I noticed Huff on your RR roster which raises my question. I did see Purp discussing the fact that Danny Klassen had been resigned and will be a NRI to the big league camp with allegedly the chance to make the big club as a utility guy. Only thing I'd seen thus far.

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A (somewhat) related question to your roster kanoodling:

Have you seen/heard which of the minor league F/A's have been re-signed at this point (or signed from other organizations)? I noticed Huff on your RR roster which raises my question. I did see Purp discussing the fact that Danny Klassen had been resigned and will be a NRI to the big league camp with allegedly the chance to make the big club as a utility guy. Only thing I'd seen thus far.

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I haven't seen a list yet.  I was making a guess there that the Astros would go with what they know.  But, honestly, it doesn't matter.  Whoever they sign to play 1B at RR isn't going to sniff the majors unless the Astros run into major injury problems.
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« Reply #159 on: December 08, 2005, 06:48:24 pm »
Do you see Koby Clemens in Tri-City then?

I really like the talent at CC.
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« Reply #160 on: December 08, 2005, 06:53:59 pm »
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This note was interesting:

 
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6/22/2005 5:47:17 AM
Update
Diggins has given up pitching for now and is concentrating on becoming a 1B/DH.
 





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« Reply #161 on: December 08, 2005, 07:36:44 pm »
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Do you see Koby Clemens in Tri-City then?

I really like the talent at CC.





Yes.  I think, considering his age, the Astros are in no hurry to move him along.  Let his defense and offense mature at its own pace.  So for 06, I see him at minor league ST, then on to extended ST, then Tri-City.
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« Reply #162 on: December 08, 2005, 07:47:53 pm »
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But, honestly, it doesn't matter. Whoever they sign to play 1B at RR isn't going to sniff the majors unless the Astros run into major injury problems.




It wasn't a specific question designed to find out who would be playing 1B for the Express. Your inclusion of Royce simply led me to believe you had heard some sort of announcement about minor league F/A signings (which needless to say aren't exactly earth-shattering events, but always of semi-interest to minor league nerds and nerdettes). Just checking in to see if you might have heard sumpin'...
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« Reply #163 on: December 09, 2005, 03:43:34 pm »
About to be interviewed on MLB.com radio.

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« Reply #164 on: December 09, 2005, 03:55:40 pm »
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Will let you know what he says, but if you want to listen, get on soon.





Ok, not much... Basically talked about now that Clemens is not going to be with the club (until maybe May) he has a shot to make the rotation.  He talked about him and Nieve are pushing each other, because both are good and both want the same thing, so the whole competition thing.  He also talked about feelin the pressure to preform because of the guys coming up behind them too.  So it makes you a better pitcher as a result.  Generic stuff like that.  Sounded very articulate and had a good head for where he wants to be and the work it will take to get there.

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« Reply #165 on: December 09, 2005, 04:26:32 pm »
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About to be interviewed on MLB.com radio.

Will let you know what he says, but if you want to listen, get on soon.





Ok, not much... Basically talked about now that Clemens is not going to be with the club (until maybe May) he has a shot to make the rotation.  He talked about him and Nieve are pushing each other, because both are good and both want the same thing, so the whole competition thing.  He also talked about feelin the pressure to preform because of the guys coming up behind them too.  So it makes you a better pitcher as a result.  Generic stuff like that.  Sounded very articulate and had a good head for where he wants to be and the work it will take to get there.





The vibe I get is that Hirsh is focused very closely on what he wants and will do what he has to within bounds to get there.  That's why he open to instruction and why he may very well get there.  My impression is that he wants, believes he has the talent, and expects to be someday where Oswalt is now, that rare bonafide staff ace.

He may make the squad out of ST, but I have the feeling the Astros will sign a major league pitcher to take Clemens's spot in the rotation.  My bet is that Hirsh will get the first callup (for injury or ineffectiveness) to the rotation in 2006.  This of course is barring any deals involving Zeke, Wandy, or even Jason.
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« Reply #166 on: December 11, 2005, 05:21:04 pm »
He's tearing up the VZ league. Are we going to give him another chance, or has that ship sailed?

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« Reply #167 on: December 12, 2005, 12:11:17 pm »
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He's tearing up the VZ league. Are we going to give him another chance, or has that ship sailed?




Keep in mind the level of competition there.  From what I recall it compares to AA or slightly better but not much.

I doubt he makes the AAA club, look at who is lined up to pitcher there next season.  Not much room for him anymore.

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Keep in mind the level of competition there.  From what I recall it compares to AA or slightly better but not much.

I doubt he makes the AAA club, look at who is lined up to pitcher there next season.  Not much room for him anymore.





He's a FA now.  He'll make somebody's NRI list and probably end up at AAA.  If he ever gets his velocity back (or learns to pitch without it) he could be at least a middle-inning bullpen fixture for someone.  Based on the guys slated for RR this spring, though, I agree with Fro that it will not be with the Astros organization.
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« Reply #169 on: December 14, 2005, 10:59:36 am »
I just learned that Tim Bogar, who has had two successful seasons in that Astros' at Greeneville(41-26) & Lexington (81-53) has been hired to manage the Indians AA Akron Aeros.

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I just learned that Tim Bogar, who has had two successful seasons in that Astros' at Greeneville(41-26) & Lexington (81-53) has been hired to manage the Indians AA Akron Aeros.




Good move my Indians... Bogar is going to be a good manager someday I think.  He really has been given alot of credit for how well his teams did the last couple of years, especially the 2nd half of last year for Lex when they lost alot of players to promotion to Salem.

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« Reply #171 on: December 15, 2005, 09:39:14 am »
Saw this on MLB.com

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So is that thing going to become like what they call "mini camps" in the NFL? I thought it was about getting some good one-on-one instruction, but that paints it as almost an instrution and/or workout time.
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« Reply #173 on: December 17, 2005, 09:52:52 pm »
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So is that thing going to become like what they call "mini camps" in the NFL? I thought it was about getting some good one-on-one instruction, but that paints it as almost an instrution and/or workout time.





Sounds to me like an elite mini camp.  We'll see if Ryan stays involved with the pitchers.
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« Reply #174 on: December 22, 2005, 02:12:19 am »
as likely spare parts to fill out the RR roster next season.

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« Reply #175 on: December 23, 2005, 12:30:28 pm »
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This note was interesting:

 
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6/22/2005 5:47:17 AM
Update
Diggins has given up pitching for now and is concentrating on becoming a 1B/DH.
 





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Diggins was a two way player at Arizona when he was drafted by the Dodgers.  If I recall correctly, several sources indicated he was a better hitter than pitcher.  He had some pretty serious power at UA and has always talked about wanting to hit again, so it's not too surprising that he's making that change given his injury history.  Of course, he could be another Clint Johnston.
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This note was interesting:

 
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6/22/2005 5:47:17 AM
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Diggins has given up pitching for now and is concentrating on becoming a 1B/DH.
 





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Diggins was a two way player at Arizona when he was drafted by the Dodgers.  If I recall correctly, several sources indicated he was a better hitter than pitcher.  He had some pretty serious power at UA and has always talked about wanting to hit again, so it's not too surprising that he's making that change given his injury history.  Of course, he could be another Clint Johnston.




So ... Is he going to get a shot at the 1B job in RR this year?
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« Reply #177 on: January 04, 2006, 05:41:53 pm »
Seemes like Luke Scott is still tearing it up.  The thing I like most is that his walk total is 25, which is really good for a power hitter who only has 37 Ks and 119 ABs.

35 Games, 119 ABs, .345/.462/.739 with 12 HRs.

Hector Gimenez:
30 Games, 80 ABs, .288/.356/.450 with 3 HRs.

Raul Chavez:
30 Games, 96 ABs, .229/.260/.313 with 1 HR.

Some other Minor Leaguers made token apperances.

I am sure there are others I am missing, but these were the ones I knew I could find info on.

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« Reply #178 on: January 04, 2006, 06:05:38 pm »
And here is an injury report

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« Reply #179 on: January 10, 2006, 12:15:52 pm »
Somewhat old at 26, and comming back from injuries, but he might be worth a shot.

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« Reply #180 on: January 10, 2006, 01:34:07 pm »
OK.  Things are still a little slow, here, so now that we have solved the ML 25-man roster puzzle, how about a little speculation about AAA?

I'll get it started:

Rotation:
Hernandez
Nieve
Hirsch
Buchholz
Gothreaux (assuming he is recovered from surgery)

Bullpen:
Peguero
Puffer
Barzilla
Diggins
Anderson
Giron (assuming he resigned?)

Outfield:
Scott, Anderson, Jimerson
Infield:
Orie, Conrad, Saccomanno, Robinson
Catcher:
Quintero/Gimenez
Bench:
MRodriguez, Gordon, Munson, Klassen, Whiteman
Left Out:
Huffman (did he resign?), Zinter (might he go to CC as a sort of player/coach?), Wesson (I think he is gone), Tremie (I look for him to hang 'em up and become a coach)

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« Reply #181 on: January 10, 2006, 02:45:32 pm »
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OK.  Things are still a little slow, here, so now that we have solved the ML 25-man roster puzzle, how about a little speculation about AAA?

I'll get it started:

Rotation:
Hernandez
Nieve
Hirsch
Buchholz
Gothreaux (assuming he is recovered from surgery)

Bullpen:
Peguero
Puffer
Barzilla
Diggins
Anderson
Giron (assuming he resigned?)

Outfield:
Scott, Anderson, Jimerson
Infield:
Orie, Conrad, Saccomanno, Robinson
Catcher:
Quintero/Gimenez
Bench:
MRodriguez, Gordon, Munson, Klassen, Whiteman
Left Out:
Huffman (did he resign?), Zinter (might he go to CC as a sort of player/coach?), Wesson (I think he is gone), Tremie (I look for him to hang 'em up and become a coach)

Any comments/corrections?





I don't think Gothreaux is ready.  I'd look for McLemore there.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Q with the Astros if his hand has healed.  Is it a coincidence that the Astros inked Chavez about the time Q broke his hand?

I think you're close enough on the rest to not worry about it.
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« Reply #182 on: January 10, 2006, 05:17:09 pm »
That is going to be one heck of a rotation in RR.

The line-up will be average at best though I fear.  Still they should win a fair bit.

I am wondering who moves to AA this year and who stays at High A.  The Astros had a group that moved together at mid-season from low to high A, which of those members move to AA and which remain at High A.  I also wonder where Bogusevic, Igor and Flores end up.  I figure Bogusevic and Igor could start in High A and Flores in Low A, with a fast track to the next level if he starts hot.

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« Reply #183 on: January 10, 2006, 06:52:10 pm »
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I don't think Gothreaux is ready.  I'd look for McLemore there.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Q with the Astros if his hand has healed.  Is it a coincidence that the Astros inked Chavez about the time Q broke his hand?

I think you're close enough on the rest to not worry about it.





OK.  I was wondering about Gothreaux.  Also, if Q does stick in Houston, I imagine that Chavez will be released?  That would leave Zinter backing up Gimenez at RR then.

If RR pretty much looks like the above suggestion, then how about Corpus?  Again, I'll take a stab at it.  This seems a lot tougher to me, though.

Rotation:
McLemore (unless, as Jacksonian suggested, he is #5 at RR)
Sampson
Albers
Douglas
Talbot
(& Muecke if McLemore is at RR)

Bullpen:
Williams
Mansfield
Rijo
Merchant
Freeman ?
Allen (is he still around?)
Bauer (ditto?)
Miller

Catcher:
Davidson

Outfield:
Pence, Floyd (?), Alcantara

Infield:
Fagan, Ash, Torres, Zobrist

Bench:
Peavey, Mackor, Reynolds (did he re-sign?), Norris (??), CRodriguez, Riggs (did he re-sign?)

I could see Torbert or Caraballo getting the jump to AA with a good spring.  I could also see Mike Rodriguez starting there (a AA 3-peat) if he does not have a good spring.  Also, the 'stros have been known to bump a college guy directly from short-season, so it would not be beyond possibility that Iorg would make the opening day roster.

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« Reply #184 on: January 10, 2006, 08:15:50 pm »
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I don't think Gothreaux is ready.  I'd look for McLemore there.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Q with the Astros if his hand has healed.  Is it a coincidence that the Astros inked Chavez about the time Q broke his hand?

I think you're close enough on the rest to not worry about it.





OK.  I was wondering about Gothreaux.  Also, if Q does stick in Houston, I imagine that Chavez will be released?  That would leave Zinter backing up Gimenez at RR then.

If RR pretty much looks like the above suggestion, then how about Corpus?  Again, I'll take a stab at it.  This seems a lot tougher to me, though.

Rotation:
McLemore (unless, as Jacksonian suggested, he is #5 at RR)
Sampson
Albers
Douglas
Talbot
(& Muecke if McLemore is at RR)

Bullpen:
Williams
Mansfield
Rijo
Merchant
Freeman ?
Allen (is he still around?)
Bauer (ditto?)
Miller

Catcher:
Davidson

Outfield:
Pence, Floyd (?), Alcantara

Infield:
Fagan, Ash, Torres, Zobrist

Bench:
Peavey, Mackor, Reynolds (did he re-sign?), Norris (??), CRodriguez, Riggs (did he re-sign?)

I could see Torbert or Caraballo getting the jump to AA with a good spring.  I could also see Mike Rodriguez starting there (a AA 3-peat) if he does not have a good spring.  Also, the 'stros have been known to bump a college guy directly from short-season, so it would not be beyond possibility that Iorg would make the opening day roster.

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I see the rotation as Muecke, Talbot, Shortell, Albers, and Douglass, at the moment.

I see the infield as Scott Robinson, Ash, Zobrist, and Torres.

The outfield as Pence, Caraballo, and Garza.

I think you're close enough on the rest.  I don't see Iorg in AA before the All-Star break if at all in 2006.
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« Reply #185 on: January 11, 2006, 11:08:28 am »
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I see the rotation as Muecke, Talbot, Shortell, Albers, and Douglass, at the moment.

I see the infield as Scott Robinson, Ash, Zobrist, and Torres.

The outfield as Pence, Caraballo, and Garza.

I think you're close enough on the rest.  I don't see Iorg in AA before the All-Star break if at all in 2006.





Interesting.  I'd like to see Shortell.  They must like him better than his stats.  Other than that, the biggest surprise to me is Garza.  he seems to have hit well, but also has been moving *very* slowly through the system.  I guess I figured he would be no higher than Salem.  Edit:  Oops.  I was thinking of Antonio Garcia.  I flat forgot about Mario Garza.

I also wonder if Scott Robinson has really turned the corner to be given a shot at AA.  Do you see Fagan as 4th OF/DH, or what?  He seems to me to deserve a shot as a AA starter this year.
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« Reply #186 on: January 11, 2006, 12:00:43 pm »
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I see the infield as Scott Robinson, Ash, Zobrist, and Torres.

The outfield as Pence, Caraballo, and Garza.

I think you're close enough on the rest.  I don't see Iorg in AA before the All-Star break if at all in 2006.





Interesting.  I'd like to see Shortell.  They must like him better than his stats.  Other than that, the biggest surprise to me is Garza.  he seems to have hit well, but also has been moving *very* slowly through the system.  I guess I figured he would be no higher than Salem.  Edit:  Oops.  I was thinking of Antonio Garcia.  I flat forgot about Mario Garza.

I also wonder if Scott Robinson has really turned the corner to be given a shot at AA.  Do you see Fagan as 4th OF/DH, or what?  He seems to me to deserve a shot as a AA starter this year.




Shortell was a regular starter at Salem last year so I figured he'd get moved up.  Robinson spent a great deal of time at Salem and the Astros have moved him up the ladder even though he hasn't hit as well as expected.  So I figured they'd promote him as well.

All of these are guesses and ST could determine where many of these guys end up.
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« Reply #187 on: January 13, 2006, 06:41:04 pm »
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I know that location in Minor League coaching can play a big role as to where people are placed, but DeJesus was moved from a full-season Minor League team to a SS one.  Any ideas what that might mean?

Also, I agree I was disappointed with how Greeneville played last year, but it is hard to tell year-over-year if it is management or players that are the cause. (since both changed)

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« Reply #189 on: January 16, 2006, 12:22:01 pm »
MLB has this "preparing to be ML players" camp.  Dealing with media and getting to know each other type thing.

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I know that location in Minor League coaching can play a big role as to where people are placed, but DeJesus was moved from a full-season Minor League team to a SS one.  Any ideas what that might mean?

Also, I agree I was disappointed with how Greeneville played last year, but it is hard to tell year-over-year if it is management or players that are the cause. (since both changed)





I wonder if Dejesus's demotion might be in part because of the large number of Latin players on the roster every year in Greeneville.

I can say that the clubhouse feel was very different last year and guys didn't enjoy going to the field as much as under Bogar.  They didn't talk about Nixon with respect the way they did Bogar either.
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« Reply #191 on: January 16, 2006, 04:16:42 pm »
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Well considering Bogar looks to be fast-tracked to managing in the majors, I imagine that anyone would look less the next year.  The real question was, Was the atmosphere less than pre-Bogar?  Or different than the other minor league clubs?  And was it the players or the manager that was the reason.  I guess we might get a hint as the players move up (if the problems continue).

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« Reply #192 on: January 17, 2006, 09:01:52 am »
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Well considering Bogar looks to be fast-tracked to managing in the majors, I imagine that anyone would look less the next year.  The real question was, Was the atmosphere less than pre-Bogar?  Or different than the other minor league clubs?  And was it the players or the manager that was the reason.  I guess we might get a hint as the players move up (if the problems continue).





I wouldn't know about previous years as the rookie league team moved her 2 years ago.  Anybody got a sense of what we can expect from DeJesus?
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« Reply #193 on: January 24, 2006, 03:16:56 pm »
Should happen around 1:30 PM Central.

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« Reply #195 on: January 25, 2006, 12:33:22 pm »
Seems Luke Scott has made a strong impression on them.

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I wonder if it will have to be somewhere else?  If Bags is done I guess he could platoon initially on the corners with Wilson & Lane.

The kid had a really nice swing the second time he came up.  He was really getting some nice wood on the ball.
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« Reply #198 on: January 25, 2006, 04:18:06 pm »
That was fantastic.  Thanks for the link.  I hope the guy gets a good numbr of ABs this year.

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right now he is the odd man out... which was part of the reason I didn't like the OP signing.

With 8 starters (without Bagwell) you have 6 bench guys (my guess): Back-up Catcher, Burke, OP, Lamb, Bruntlett, Scott.

But Scott is the bump guy if Bagwell plays or the Astros go with 12 pitchers.

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« Reply #200 on: January 26, 2006, 11:30:38 am »
Does anyone buy the Baseball America Prospect book?  Is it worth it?  The 2006 one just went on sale on their website, and while I have access to their "members only" stuff, I wasn't sure if it was worth the money for the book.

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I've been getting it for 3 years now, and have signed up for it again in '06.  I like it, but only because I can't get enough information about our prospects and others around the game.  The people around here, such as Agent Smith and Jacksonian, will give you much better insight than that book, but again, I like to read about our prospects and will take whatever I can get.  I like the depth chart they provide along with the best tools within the org, etc., which are in addition to the top-30 list.

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« Reply #202 on: January 26, 2006, 11:48:26 am »
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I've been getting it for 3 years now, and have signed up for it again in '06.  I like it, but only because I can't get enough information about our prospects and others around the game.  The people around here, such as Agent Smith and Jacksonian, will give you much better insight than that book, but again, I like to read about our prospects and will take whatever I can get.  I like the depth chart they provide along with the best tools within the org, etc., which are in addition to the top-30 list.





My view on BA is, in a nutshell, this.  When they are reporting information from sources or an interview with someone in baseball, they're very good.  When they provide projections or information that come from their own minds, they're worthless because in the end what they think doesn't matter.  It's entertainment only at that point.  So, as far as their prospect handbook goes, for me, if what they report came directly from pro scouts then great, if it's what the BA writers think based on whatever then here's your grain of salt.
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« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2006, 12:10:17 pm »
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If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.
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« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2006, 01:45:40 pm »
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If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.





The article made it sound like he could go to AA or AAA.  I was thinking that there might be a competition between Gimenez and House for the AAA job.  See'n how Gimenez has already repeated AA once (IIRC) you're probably right about Gimenez getting handed the AAA gig.

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« Reply #206 on: January 26, 2006, 01:49:54 pm »
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If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




The article made it sound like he could go to AA or AAA.  I was thinking that there might be a competition between Gimenez and House for the AAA job.  See'n how Gimenez has already repeated AA once (IIRC) you're probably right about Gimenez getting handed the AAA gig.




House indicated AA.  That is in line with my projections prior to his signing.  You are correct on Gimenez repeating AA.  Things may be more complicated if the Astros keep both Quintero and Chavez as one would have to go to AAA.
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« Reply #207 on: January 26, 2006, 03:44:09 pm »
It seemed like Chavez wasn't resigned until Quintero got hurt, but maybe I have the timeline wrong.  I imagine that if Quintero is okay, he'll be backing up Ausmus and Chavez will be released.
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« Reply #208 on: January 26, 2006, 03:50:41 pm »
I've been googling House but without much success beyond some basic stat lines.  What's this guys story?  The article mentinoed he was once a prized prospect for the Pirates.  Beyond that, it appears he's had some injury issues as well as putting in duel duty as a college football QB at WVA.  Other than that, he seems to have hit fairly well in the minors.
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« Reply #209 on: January 26, 2006, 04:55:26 pm »
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It seemed like Chavez wasn't resigned until Quintero got hurt, but maybe I have the timeline wrong.  I imagine that if Quintero is okay, he'll be backing up Ausmus and Chavez will be released.




Chavez was signed within 1 day of Quintero's surgery.
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I've emailed the author of this article with a couple questions regarding House's health/defensive ability and placement within the org in '06.  I will post his response if I get one.





If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.





Leaving Santangelo in low A ball can't say much for his future. He'll be 23 years old at the start of the season. Do the Astros want Towles playing everyday at C?

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If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




Leaving Santangelo in low A ball can't say much for his future. He'll be 23 years old at the start of the season. Do the Astros want Towles playing everyday at C?




Yes, Towles is a catcher and he'll play as everyday as the Astros feel comfortable.  He was going to be the starter at Tri-City until Santangelo got hurt.  It's possible they'll move Santangelo up and leave Towles at Lexington in 06 though.  The more I think about it the more now I think that may be right.
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« Reply #212 on: January 27, 2006, 10:44:01 am »
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From what I've read, he's had a Tommy John surgery, rotator cuff surgery and two hernia surgeries in the past 3-4 years.  He was not regarded as a great defensive catcher before those surgeries (again from what I've read), so my guess is that a move to another postion is not out of the realm of possibility.

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If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




Leaving Santangelo in low A ball can't say much for his future. He'll be 23 years old at the start of the season. Do the Astros want Towles playing everyday at C?




Yes, Towles is a catcher and he'll play as everyday as the Astros feel comfortable.  He was going to be the starter at Tri-City until Santangelo got hurt.  It's possible they'll move Santangelo up and leave Towles at Lexington in 06 though.  The more I think about it the more now I think that may be right.




Why not both Santangelo and Towles at Salem, Lopez at Lex,  Henriquez at TRC and "player to be drafted" at Greeneville? 70 games behind the plate plus a few games here and there at DH doesn't seem to me to be particularly detrimental from an experience standpoint for a catcher. Heck, Gimenez has only caught 85-90 games the last couple of years and I'm sure in some of those games he must have entered as a late inning replacement.
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« Reply #214 on: January 27, 2006, 03:58:50 pm »
What about Davidson?  Is he nothing more than a roster filler at this point?  I was thinking that he'd played pretty darn well the last couple seasons.

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I've emailed the author of this article with a couple questions regarding House's health/defensive ability and placement within the org in '06.  I will post his response if I get one.





If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




Leaving Santangelo in low A ball can't say much for his future. He'll be 23 years old at the start of the season. Do the Astros want Towles playing everyday at C?




Yes, Towles is a catcher and he'll play as everyday as the Astros feel comfortable.  He was going to be the starter at Tri-City until Santangelo got hurt.  It's possible they'll move Santangelo up and leave Towles at Lexington in 06 though.  The more I think about it the more now I think that may be right.




Why not both Santangelo and Towles at Salem, Lopez at Lex,  Henriquez at TRC and "player to be drafted" at Greeneville? 70 games behind the plate plus a few games here and there at DH doesn't seem to me to be particularly detrimental from an experience standpoint for a catcher. Heck, Gimenez has only caught 85-90 games the last couple of years and I'm sure in some of those games he must have entered as a late inning replacement.




I thought about that, and I wondered if the Astros wanted 2 young catchers sharing duties or 1 young and 1 more experienced catcher sharing duties.  I guessed at the latter.  As for Gimenez, he never caught Hirsh.  So, that's 20% of the games he didn't catch, and I don't believe he entered late in many or any of those games.  But, in the end, it only matters that those guys get quality work and improve.  So whatever works I'm good with.
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« Reply #217 on: January 28, 2006, 03:41:32 pm »
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At CC with House.





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I'd like to hear your rationale on this.  KD seems to have done well with the bat ... is his defense suspect?  What's "the rest of the story"?
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I've emailed the author of this article with a couple questions regarding House's health/defensive ability and placement within the org in '06.  I will post his response if I get one.





If they're giving him a chance to play everyday then it's most likely he'll be at Corpus.  I see the A-level teams with starting catchers who are legit prospects: Towles at Salem, Santangelo at Lexington, Lopez at Tri-City, and Henriquez at Greeneville.  Add Gimenez at AAA and there's only one place for House to go, AA.  And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




Leaving Santangelo in low A ball can't say much for his future. He'll be 23 years old at the start of the season. Do the Astros want Towles playing everyday at C?




Yes, Towles is a catcher and he'll play as everyday as the Astros feel comfortable.  He was going to be the starter at Tri-City until Santangelo got hurt.  It's possible they'll move Santangelo up and leave Towles at Lexington in 06 though.  The more I think about it the more now I think that may be right.




Why not both Santangelo and Towles at Salem, Lopez at Lex,  Henriquez at TRC and "player to be drafted" at Greeneville? 70 games behind the plate plus a few games here and there at DH doesn't seem to me to be particularly detrimental from an experience standpoint for a catcher. Heck, Gimenez has only caught 85-90 games the last couple of years and I'm sure in some of those games he must have entered as a late inning replacement.




I thought about that, and I wondered if the Astros wanted 2 young catchers sharing duties or 1 young and 1 more experienced catcher sharing duties.  I guessed at the latter.  As for Gimenez, he never caught Hirsh.  So, that's 20% of the games he didn't catch, and I don't believe he entered late in many or any of those games.  But, in the end, it only matters that those guys get quality work and improve.  So whatever works I'm good with.




I think it is also telling who they invite to the Nolan Ryan camp.  This year it is Ralphie, JR and Lou.

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« Reply #219 on: January 30, 2006, 11:19:18 am »
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What about Davidson?  Is he nothing more than a roster filler at this point?  I was thinking that he'd played pretty darn well the last couple seasons.




At CC with House.




And from Jacksonian's original post:
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And AA happens to be the one level I don't expect the Astros to have a prospect at catcher.




I'd like to hear your rationale on this.  KD seems to have done well with the bat ... is his defense suspect?  What's "the rest of the story"?




Davidson turned 25 last season.  He was far too experienced for the league.  He was facing guys with 2,3, even 4 years less experience.  Contrast that with Gimenez who is 2 years younger, yet one level ahead; Santangelo who is 3 years younger and 1 level behind; Towles who is 4 years younger and 1 level behind.  Add to that Quintero is looking at being the #2 guy with the Astros this season, and he's 1 year older than Davidson.  Let's face it, the Astros have not treated him like a prospect up to now.

He may get a shot at the majors some day, but he'll be closer to 30 than 25 if/when that happens.
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« Reply #220 on: January 30, 2006, 04:42:28 pm »
Just curious, since I am not in Houston.

Is it open to the public?  Is anyone attending/covering it?

The is the dead-zone of the off-season and I am getting desperate for even useless info... I can't stomach more Justice/Lopez articles.

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« Reply #221 on: January 30, 2006, 04:55:26 pm »
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Just curious, since I am not in Houston.

Is it open to the public?  Is anyone attending/covering it?

The is the dead-zone of the off-season and I am getting desperate for even useless info... I can't stomach more Justice/Lopez articles.





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« Reply #222 on: January 31, 2006, 01:13:51 am »
Thanks ... Somehow I missed his age.  That does explain it pretty well.  I guess he's more likely to be a backup catcher and part-time DH than to get a real shot at the everyday job.  Of course JR is no sprong chicken, either!
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« Reply #223 on: January 31, 2006, 03:38:25 pm »
I know this guy's system has some flaws but he has if you scroll down to the bottom, he has ranked the top 40 prospects in the Astro's system.  Anything stand out as awfully out of line?

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« Reply #224 on: January 31, 2006, 04:09:34 pm »
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I know this guy's system has some flaws but he has if you scroll down to the bottom, he has ranked the top 40 prospects in the Astro's system.  Anything stand out as awfully out of line?

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Einertson as the #2 outfielder.  Anyone who has him in the top 20 is still putting too much consideration to Mitch's 2004 work.  He'll have to have a very good 2006 at Salem to get back to being in the top 5 of Astros outfield prospects.

Towles is too high.  Half season of work and he's #7?  We don't have in our new top 10 due in about 3-4 weeks.  I disagree with a lot of the specific order, but more to the point it looks like he doesn't really follow the Astros very closely, at least not like we do, hence what I see as problems.

5 levels of all prospect teams is pretty messed up.
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« Reply #225 on: January 31, 2006, 05:15:44 pm »
I suppose it also depends alot on how you define prospect and how you rate them.

Do you rate them on potential or when they might make the club, or some combo of both...

I agree that 4 of the top 5 would be in my top 10 with Barthmaier being boarderline.  Others I think he drops too low for their worth, but balanced with over-rating others.

My top 10 (in alphabetical order, and done very quickly):
Josh Anderson (Personal fav, probably doesn't deserve this)
Brian Bogusevic (#1 pick, threw ton of innings prior to draft)
Josh Flores (Faster/Better hitting Taveras?)
Hector Gimenez (Catching skill exceptional, hitting not so much)
Jason Hirsh (I think the best pitching prospect since Roy)
Eli Iorg (Looks like he has big league bat potential)
Fernando Nieve (Looks like next Lidge, IMO)
Troy Patton (WOW potential for lefty)
Hunter Pence (Should be Corner OFer in 07 or 08)
Ben Zobrist (LOVE his On-base skills, defense might limit him)

I tried to balance potential with time to big league action.  I over-valued a couple of guys because I really like them (or did when we got them).  So I could see Barthmaier, Buchholz and maybe even Matt Albers pushing some of my choices out.  The real problem is alot of our "potential" talent is still in A or lower, so it is hard to determine who is really the ones to watch still.

One extra comment on Zobrist that I am not sure people have addressed: Ben might be Biggio's replacement if Burke is traded.  If his defense is not quite enough to push into the ML club, I think he should be able to transition to a decent 2B.  And he has something the big club sorely needs.  Strong On-base skills, and top of the line-up skills, probably best suited for #2 batting slot, but could be #1 too.  But like most other Astros' prosepcts, still has yet to prove he can do it above A ball.

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« Reply #226 on: January 31, 2006, 05:33:44 pm »
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I suppose it also depends alot on how you define prospect and how you rate them.

Do you rate them on potential or when they might make the club, or some combo of both...

I agree that 4 of the top 5 would be in my top 10 with Barthmaier being boarderline.  Others I think he drops too low for their worth, but balanced with over-rating others.

My top 10 (in alphabetical order, and done very quickly):
Josh Anderson (Personal fav, probably doesn't deserve this)
Brian Bogusevic (#1 pick, threw ton of innings prior to draft)
Josh Flores (Faster/Better hitting Taveras?)
Hector Gimenez (Catching skill exceptional, hitting not so much)
Jason Hirsh (I think the best pitching prospect since Roy)
Eli Iorg (Looks like he has big league bat potential)
Fernando Nieve (Looks like next Lidge, IMO)
Troy Patton (WOW potential for lefty)
Hunter Pence (Should be Corner OFer in 07 or 08)
Ben Zobrist (LOVE his On-base skills, defense might limit him)

I tried to balance potential with time to big league action.  I over-valued a couple of guys because I really like them (or did when we got them).  So I could see Barthmaier, Buchholz and maybe even Matt Albers pushing some of my choices out.  The real problem is alot of our "potential" talent is still in A or lower, so it is hard to determine who is really the ones to watch still.

One extra comment on Zobrist that I am not sure people have addressed: Ben might be Biggio's replacement if Burke is traded.  If his defense is not quite enough to push into the ML club, I think he should be able to transition to a decent 2B.  And he has something the big club sorely needs.  Strong On-base skills, and top of the line-up skills, probably best suited for #2 batting slot, but could be #1 too.  But like most other Astros' prosepcts, still has yet to prove he can do it above A ball.





Without going into details, I think at least half of our top 10 will be in AA or AAA this season.  Innate talent is important, but so is accomplishment.  I put a good deal of weight on success at AA and AAA (more so than at the A-ball levels), esp considering age or experience.  I don't have a specific formula, but I look at age/experience, level, evaluations by professionals, and accomplishment, not necessarily in that order.

Other comments:  Barthmaier could be big time.  Flores is as fast as Taveras with much more power.  Flores is raw though and may not pan out.  Who knows.  Hirsh is a smart bulldog.  I'm interested to see where the Astros put Iorg.  My comparison for Nieve is Dotel.  Patton could end up a closer.  Pence could end Preston Wilson's tenure in Houston at 1 year.  I've been thinking that same way about Zobrist since he was drafted.  That and Billy Spiers.
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« Reply #227 on: January 31, 2006, 05:42:29 pm »
Well my list has probably 6 guys who should be in AA or AAA. So that matches.

And I agree about Barthmaier, but want to see him do it at a higher level.

The Lidge comparison could easily be Dotel, set-up/closer type is what I was getting at.

I am surprised that you already view Patton as a closer type, I still think he can be a starter... but then you are more plugged in than I.

And I could see Pence pushing Wilson or Lane out, depending on what shakes out over the next year or two.  I really like Pence's make-up and bat.

Flores is my long-shot in the top 10, kid who burst out of (somewhat) nowhere to really dazzle, like Mitch did in 04.

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« Reply #228 on: January 31, 2006, 05:52:41 pm »
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And I agree about Barthmaier, but want to see him do it at a higher level.




Barthmaier is more advanced than Hirsh was at the same age.


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I am surprised that you already view Patton as a closer type, I still think he can be a starter... but then you are more plugged in than I.




It's not so much that I see him as a closer only, it's that he's got to stay healthy and throw innings.  He didn't accumulate innings last year the way other prospects at the same level did.  Right now he projects as a 2-3 or closer.


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And I could see Pence pushing Wilson or Lane out, depending on what shakes out over the next year or two.  I really like Pence's make-up and bat.




A lot of people like his make-up.  I was thinking of Wilson rather than Lane because of age and cost.


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Flores is my long-shot in the top 10, kid who burst out of (somewhat) nowhere to really dazzle, like Mitch did in 04.




Flores's K's bother me a bit.  Flores was fairly well known.  The Braves drafted him fairly high in 2004, and he spurned them.  He's still learning CF.  Lexington should be a sufficient challenge for him this year.
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« Reply #229 on: January 31, 2006, 05:55:42 pm »
Sounds like an exciting year ahead for Round Rock, and Corpus.
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« Reply #230 on: January 31, 2006, 06:29:59 pm »
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Sounds like an exciting year ahead for Round Rock, and Corpus.




Round Rock's pitching staff should be far and away the best in the PCL.  CC's team will probably challenge for the title in the Texas League (or should).

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« Reply #231 on: January 31, 2006, 06:35:21 pm »
Don't get me wrong, I was singing the praises of Barthmaier last season.  I like him.


I am drooling over the thought of what the Astros' staff might be in a couple of years:

Roy
Hirsh
Patton
Barthmaier
Nieve
Backe
Buchholz
Bogusevic
Douglass
Albers

This doesn't even include all of the "other" guys who could make a break through between now and then!  Even when you consider not all prospects live up to the early hype, that is alot of options to choose 5 from, and we KNOW Roy is good, so no need to worry about that.  Backe has shown flashes too, although he might get squeezed in another year or two...

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« Reply #232 on: January 31, 2006, 08:08:23 pm »
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I disagree with a lot of the specific order, but more to the point it looks like he doesn't really follow the Astros very closely, at least not like we do, hence what I see as problems.





As in including guys who were traded/released mid-season, you mean?

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5 levels of all prospect teams is pretty messed up.




Exactly ... There are only six levels ... he must think this is hockey.
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« Reply #233 on: February 02, 2006, 11:29:07 am »
BBA just did a preview of the 2006 draft and it got me wondering...

Do the Astros have the next to last pick in the draft based on them going to the Series last year, or do they have the draft slot based on their record in 05?

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« Reply #234 on: February 02, 2006, 11:42:03 am »
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BBA just did a preview of the 2006 draft and it got me wondering...

Do the Astros have the next to last pick in the draft based on them going to the Series last year, or do they have the draft slot based on their record in 05?





I'm pretty sure we're set to have the 2nd to last pick in the draft.

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« Reply #235 on: February 02, 2006, 12:06:20 pm »
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BBA just did a preview of the 2006 draft and it got me wondering...

Do the Astros have the next to last pick in the draft based on them going to the Series last year, or do they have the draft slot based on their record in 05?





I'm pretty sure we're set to have the 2nd to last pick in the draft.





I don't think so.  It's based on regular season record.  Here were the compensation for the 2005 draft: The Link
and then the tracker from MLB: The Link

By combining the two and back-tracking the pre-compensation order, you'll see that the last 3 teams were:

28. Red Sox
29. Yankees
30. Cards

This is based on reg. season record instead of playoff results.  The NFL does adjust due to playoffs, but MLB does not.
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« Reply #236 on: February 02, 2006, 12:52:34 pm »
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BBA just did a preview of the 2006 draft and it got me wondering...

Do the Astros have the next to last pick in the draft based on them going to the Series last year, or do they have the draft slot based on their record in 05?





I'm pretty sure we're set to have the 2nd to last pick in the draft.




I don't think so.  It's based on regular season record.  Here were the compensation for the 2005 draft: The Link
and then the tracker from MLB: The Link

By combining the two and back-tracking the pre-compensation order, you'll see that the last 3 teams were:

28. Red Sox
29. Yankees
30. Cards

This is based on reg. season record instead of playoff results.  The NFL does adjust due to playoffs, but MLB does not.




Callis provides the chart from an October Ask BA:

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Scroll down to near the bottom.  The Astros are at 23 this year.
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« Reply #237 on: February 02, 2006, 01:37:50 pm »
I'll tell you one thing I really don't like....the way compensation is done.  Last year was a great example:

1. Red Sox signed Renteria and gave up their pick (28th) to the Cards.  Cards received that pick & a 1st round supplemental.

2. Red Sox don't resign their A type SS (Cabrera) but the Angels did so they got their #23 pick and a supplement.

So the Red Sox signed what was perceived at the time as a much better SS than they had and in doing so moved up 5 spots in the draft & received a supplemental.  The Sox also benefited from this type exchange with their Lowe/Wells signing.

At the end of the day there were 20 supplemental picks.  That's almost a full round.  It's just too much.
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« Reply #238 on: February 02, 2006, 04:08:00 pm »
Are there any DFE's anyone is hearing rumblings about signing before the draft?
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« Reply #239 on: February 02, 2006, 04:27:22 pm »
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We won't know any of that until March.  The baseball seasons are just getting under way.  It's not easy getting feedback on those, but we'll try to keep you informed on info or outstanding work.
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« Reply #240 on: February 02, 2006, 04:35:05 pm »
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We won't know any of that until March.  The baseball seasons are just getting under way.  It's not easy getting feedback on those, but we'll try to keep you informed on info or outstanding work.





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« Reply #241 on: February 02, 2006, 04:44:18 pm »
Any info so far, other than a front office guy getting a promotion?

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« Reply #242 on: February 02, 2006, 04:53:56 pm »
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« Reply #243 on: February 02, 2006, 07:40:34 pm »
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« Reply #244 on: February 03, 2006, 11:45:39 am »
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My sources are quiet at the moment.





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« Reply #245 on: February 03, 2006, 12:08:32 pm »
It's from the comical so take with a grain of salt, but...

Ralph Henriquez - Greenville
Brian Bogusevic - Lexington
Eli Igor - Lexington
Tommy Manzella - Lexington

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« Reply #246 on: February 03, 2006, 12:20:06 pm »
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It's from the comical so take with a grain of salt, but...

Ralph Henriquez - Greenville
Brian Bogusevic - Lexington
Eli Igor - Lexington
Tommy Manzella - Lexington

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I saw that too.  Henriquez I believe.  The others, ST will likely determine their assignment.
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« Reply #247 on: February 03, 2006, 12:40:54 pm »
Well, here is how I view it:

Bogusevic : Probably want to give him chance at starting in Low A to start, but mid-season move to high A.  Fast track, but slow start thing. Reason being, he only pitched out of bullpen last year, want to give him the routine of starting in professional ball, before they "challenge" him.

Igor : I could see him going to Salem, just because he is supposedly really high ceiling with bat, so this looked the most likely to be starting in Salem

Manzella : Was solid defensively, but bat still comming along, again start at Low A move to High A mid season if he does well looks likely.  The only reason to move him is Sutil, one will be in Salem, I think.

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« Reply #248 on: February 06, 2006, 11:04:33 am »
I know its a business but don't pentilize Towles because he's young. He's more athletic, defensively sound (with only 2 errors vs 12 by santangelio). JR has better blocking skills, and the pitchers have more confidence in him than santangelio.Towles will hit for average with power and runs and steals bases like an infielder.A better player all around over santangelio.
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« Reply #249 on: February 08, 2006, 11:55:18 am »
So Jacksonian, when might we see your top prospect list...

And have you heard anything more than what was reported about the camp they just had?

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« Reply #250 on: February 08, 2006, 12:11:09 pm »
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And have you heard anything more than what was reported about the camp they just had?





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« Reply #251 on: February 08, 2006, 12:45:31 pm »
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So Jacksonian, when might we see your top prospect list...

And have you heard anything more than what was reported about the camp they just had?





We're working on it.  Tentative release time is Feb 20.  We're still gathering information.  Camp info is still incoming.





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If I have to hear anymore about Superbowls or stories about people who have the same name as ML players, I am going to hurt someone!

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So Jacksonian, when might we see your top prospect list...

And have you heard anything more than what was reported about the camp they just had?





We're working on it.  Tentative release time is Feb 20.  We're still gathering information.  Camp info is still incoming.




TWO WEEKS?!?!?!

Have you seen how bad the topics on the main forum have been lately.  We NEED this list to give us something to talk about.

If I have to hear anymore about Superbowls or stories about people who have the same name as ML players, I am going to hurt someone!

Look forward to your compilation.




Actually, I've thought about that, but we don't want to print something that potentially lacks valuable info.  As soon as we believe we've gathered enough info, we'll publish the thing.
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« Reply #253 on: February 09, 2006, 12:00:47 pm »
Not sure if it helps much, but he is the guy who was just promoted in our front office.

So he does talk about the Astros system.

He also talks alot about what his duties are.

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« Reply #254 on: February 09, 2006, 06:02:46 pm »
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My sources are quiet at the moment.




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No sticks.  Just a smile.  McLemore's arm is apparently ready to go and looked good.  He seems to be very optimistic about 2006.  Towles hit the crap out of the ball.  Apparently things went pretty smoothly overall.  If I get more that's not going to be in the top 10 list, I'll post it.
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« Reply #255 on: February 10, 2006, 12:19:28 pm »
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« Reply #256 on: February 10, 2006, 04:12:21 pm »
Just finished reading the comments.  Some of them just floor me.  Very funny.
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« Reply #257 on: February 10, 2006, 06:57:38 pm »
I guess 1 World Series title turns White Sox fans into Red Sox fans.

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« Reply #258 on: February 13, 2006, 09:08:28 am »
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I was surprised Sutil wasn't on the list.  Anyone else?
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« Reply #259 on: February 15, 2006, 08:33:51 pm »
Don;t know if anyone else cares, but I notice the 'Stros signed one of their former farmhands -- Derek Nicholson -- to a minor league contract.  He's knocked around the Tigers organization for a while.  I suppose he will be roster filler at CC or maybe RR.  Does anyone think he still has potential?
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« Reply #260 on: February 15, 2006, 11:14:54 pm »
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Don;t know if anyone else cares, but I notice the 'Stros signed one of their former farmhands -- Derek Nicholson -- to a minor league contract.  He's knocked around the Tigers organization for a while.  I suppose he will be roster filler at CC or maybe RR.  Does anyone think he still has potential?




A guy who'll turn 30 in a few months and who last year played in A-ball? Strictly filler with zero upside.
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« Reply #261 on: February 16, 2006, 11:08:34 am »
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Don;t know if anyone else cares, but I notice the 'Stros signed one of their former farmhands -- Derek Nicholson -- to a minor league contract.  He's knocked around the Tigers organization for a while.  I suppose he will be roster filler at CC or maybe RR.  Does anyone think he still has potential?




A guy who'll turn 30 in a few months and who last year played in A-ball? Strictly filler with zero upside.





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« Reply #262 on: February 16, 2006, 05:18:10 pm »
By my count the Astros have at most 8 DFE candidates.  Thought I'd pass along some early season info on them.

33 round Reid Kelly at Chandler-Gilbert Community College
3 starts, 18IP, 14H, 3ER, 4BB, 12K, 1.50ERA, 6HBP

35 round Andrew Darnell at Chabot College
9G, 34AB, 10H, .294AVG, 2 doubles, 4BB, 9K, .368OBP, .353SLG

39 round Zachary Williams
drafted out of Seminole State Community College.  Not on their spring roster.  Don't know current location.

40 round Collin Fanning at Clarendon Junior College
On the team.  No stats available.

41 round Casey McCleskey at Temple Junior College
On the team.  No stats available.

43 round Jacob Hower at American River Junior College
4G, 1GS, 8IP, 7H, 4ER, 5BB, 5K, 4.50ERA

44 round Nicholas Cobler
Drafted out of Northeast Texas Community College.  Not on their spring roster.  Don't know current location.

45 round Craig Herrforth
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« Reply #263 on: February 20, 2006, 12:02:15 pm »
Not a very inspiring list, eh?

But then they were low draft picks for a reason.

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« Reply #264 on: February 27, 2006, 03:47:50 am »
Nick Cobler is at San Jac now.

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San Jac is loaded as always, abou 3/4 of their roster was drafted at one time or another.
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« Reply #265 on: March 01, 2006, 06:47:25 am »
Thanks for the list of prospects Greg.  The one that shocked me on the list is Allen Langdon.  The boy only appeared in 5 games last year in rookie ball.  What are you hearing that tells you he belongs on the list?

I never heard anything about him while he was here in Greeneville last year good or bad.I never saw him play a game.
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« Reply #266 on: March 01, 2006, 09:25:52 am »
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Thanks for the list of prospects Greg.  The one that shocked me on the list is Allen Langdon.  The boy only appeared in 5 games last year in rookie ball.  What are you hearing that tells you he belongs on the list?

I never heard anything about him while he was here in Greeneville last year good or bad.I never saw him play a game.





In the type of comparisons that always make me cringe a bit, back at the time of last year's draft Langdon was profiled in various quarters (including Astros player personnel honcho Paul Ricciarini) as a "Brian Giles" type. Langdon isn't even remotely the next coming of Giles (who, BTW, hit zippo homers and just 7 doubles in his first pro season which just happened to be in the Appy League, though he did hit .310) but he does bring some left-handed pop. Even though Allen did struggle mightily to make contact in his limited appearances last season, 3 of his 6 base hits were of the extra base variety. He did miss 3 weeks with a groin pull and certainly that hindered his development. Hopefully, 2006 is the year he starts to make good on some of his potential.
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« Reply #267 on: March 01, 2006, 09:53:00 am »
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Thanks for the list of prospects Greg.  The one that shocked me on the list is Allen Langdon.  The boy only appeared in 5 games last year in rookie ball.  What are you hearing that tells you he belongs on the list?

I never heard anything about him while he was here in Greeneville last year good or bad.I never saw him play a game.





In the type of comparisons that always make me cringe a bit, back at the time of last year's draft Langdon was profiled in various quarters (including Astros player personnel honcho Paul Ricciarini) as a "Brian Giles" type. Langdon isn't even remotely the next coming of Giles (who, BTW, hit zippo homers and just 7 doubles in his first pro season which just happened to be in the Appy League, though he did hit .310) but he does bring some left-handed pop. Even though Allen did struggle mightily to make contact in his limited appearances last season, 3 of his 6 base hits were of the extra base variety. He did miss 3 weeks with a groin pull and certainly that hindered his development. Hopefully, 2006 is the year he starts to make good on some of his potential.





Thanks for the info. I never heard about the groin pull here, I just knew he didn't play much.  I expect he will return to Greeneville this year and I will get to see much more of him if he stays healthy.
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« Reply #268 on: March 01, 2006, 11:42:51 am »
Also, those at the bottom of the prospect list were are unaccounted for, were likely not invited to the mini-camp and should be in the minor league camp on the 5th when all minor leaguers are required to report.
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« Reply #269 on: March 01, 2006, 11:22:04 pm »
Per BBA, Purpura has announced that Hirsh will not compete for a spot in the rotation this spring and will open the '06 season in AAA.  Management has a good idea of what they've got in Zeke, Wandy and to a certain extent Nieve.  I'm guessing this speaks volumes about what they think of Carlos and Taylor at present, no?

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« Reply #270 on: March 02, 2006, 11:00:59 am »
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Per BBA, Purpura has announced that Hirsh will not compete for a spot in the rotation this spring and will open the '06 season in AAA.  Management has a good idea of what they've got in Zeke, Wandy and to a certain extent Nieve.  I'm guessing this speaks volumes about what they think of Carlos and Taylor at present, no?




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If true this isn't really a surprise.  All of the other contenders have pitched at a higher level than Hirsh.  What this does is take the pressure off Jason and allow him to just focus on improving the quality of his pitches and pitching.

The Astros are looking for the 2 who will best pitch in the rotation come April.  A healthy Buchholz and improved Hernandez are probably as good as and maybe a little better than Zeke and Wandy.

Hirsh, Nieve, Buchholz, (apparently improved) Hernandez, Wandy, Zeke.  If at least 3 of those guys gets assigned to RR that rotation will be wicked.
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« Reply #271 on: March 02, 2006, 12:34:05 pm »
Listened to Astroline last night on my way home (it sure beat listening to basketball).  Anyway, they had Scrap Iron on with Milo.  In a few questions it became evident that the clear contenders are Wandy, Zeke, Carlos, Buchholz and Nieve...probably in that order.  

He later mentioned Hirsh and how good he's been twice now in front of brass (The Camp and now early ST).  It seemed he left the door open than if Hirsh is just dominant in ST that he could make the club, but that it was likely he would be in AAA.

There's no doubt the RR rotation will look nice.  Two of your list will be there, maybe 3 in addition to McLemore.  If McLemore can put together something similar to what he did last year...it could be one of the best AAA rotations in baseball.
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« Reply #272 on: March 02, 2006, 03:50:06 pm »
Kelly seems to be stepping it up.  I don't think Darnell is showing the power the Astros are looking for.  Hower is a closer but has just 2 saves.


33 round Reid Kelly at Chandler-Gilbert Community College
5 starts, 32IP, 22H, 3ER, 9BB, 27K, 0.84ERA, 7HBP

35 round Andrew Darnell at Chabot College
15G, 57AB, 20H, .351AVG, 7 doubles, 8BB, 13K, .431OBP, .474SLG

39 round Zachary Williams
drafted out of Seminole State Community College. Not on their spring roster. Don't know current location.

40 round Collin Fanning at Clarendon Junior College
On the team. No stats available.

41 round Casey McCleskey at Temple Junior College
On the team. No stats available.

43 round Jacob Hower at American River Junior College
8G, 2GS, 16.1IP, 13H, 6ER, 8BB, 15K, 3.31ERA, 2 saves

44 round Nicholas Cobler
Drafted out of Northeast Texas Community College. Now with San Jacinto Community College.  No stats available.

45 round Craig Herrforth
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« Reply #273 on: March 02, 2006, 03:59:46 pm »
Here is what ESPN The Link is reporting about Clemens pitching to the minors today.

The first batter Clemens faced on Thursday, infielder Ben Zobrist, smacked a sharp grounder past the pitcher's son, Koby, at third base. The Rocket then struck out infielder Brooks Conrad and outfielders Hunter Pence and Eli Iorg.

 In Clemens' second "inning," infielder Neil Sellers cracked a line drive up the middle and the pitcher snagged it with a quick move to his left.
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« Reply #274 on: March 02, 2006, 04:11:50 pm »
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Here is what ESPN The Link is reporting about Clemens pitching to the minors today.

The first batter Clemens faced on Thursday, infielder Ben Zobrist, smacked a sharp grounder past the pitcher's son, Koby, at third base. The Rocket then struck out infielder Brooks Conrad and outfielders Hunter Pence and Eli Iorg.

 In Clemens' second "inning," infielder Neil Sellers cracked a line drive up the middle and the pitcher snagged it with a quick move to his left.





Zobrist... He is quickly becomming my favorite position player in our minors.  I am pulling for him to over come the "utility" player projection.

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« Reply #275 on: March 03, 2006, 10:22:54 am »
In Lexington Paper today:
Koby, a third baseman in rookie ball last summer, worked out at catcher during the mini-camp, Pence said. Which should fuel more rumors. How about a Clemens-Clemens battery?

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« Reply #276 on: March 03, 2006, 05:27:11 pm »
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« Reply #277 on: March 05, 2006, 08:54:15 pm »
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There's no doubt the RR rotation will look nice.  Two of your list will be there, maybe 3 in addition to McLemore.  If McLemore can put together something similar to what he did last year...it could be one of the best AAA rotations in baseball.





And then there is Gothreaux, who appears to be recovered from elbow surgery.  Lights out at the Dell this summer!
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« Reply #278 on: March 05, 2006, 10:33:02 pm »
"Klassen who fielded so well for Canada at the Olympics, was injured last week at the Houston Astros training camp in Kissimmee, Fla." The Link

Does anyone have any more info on how serious this is?  Is it related to the injury he had a couple of years ago??  I figured Danny would see a lot of playing time in RR again this year.  Does this put that in jeopardy?
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« Reply #279 on: March 05, 2006, 11:11:01 pm »
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Does anyone have any more info on how serious this is?  Is it related to the injury he had a couple of years ago??  I figured Danny would see a lot of playing time in RR again this year.  Does this put that in jeopardy?





Not that serious: out 10-14 days with sprained ACL/bone bruise in his right knee.

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