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« Reply #400 on: November 23, 2019, 11:41:41 am »
Jim is absolutely right about one thing - the garbage can beating is totally immaterial to anything at all. If the league can find concrete evidence that the Astros used technology to steal signs after the directive came down in September of 2017 or whenever it was, fine. If not, they should be told, very politely, to go fuck themselves.
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« Reply #401 on: November 23, 2019, 11:47:22 am »
I doubt they will touch Beltran or Cora. If so, slap on the wrist.

To come down on Cora would open the door for folks to wonder about the 2018 champs too.

And we can't have that now can we?

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« Reply #402 on: November 23, 2019, 11:50:11 am »
Which is why it’s really unlikely any player faces serious consequences.  It’s gonna be front office, he org and maybe some coaches including Beltran and Cora.

Beltran was a player.
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« Reply #403 on: November 23, 2019, 12:00:33 pm »
I was referring to guys who are current players.
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« Reply #404 on: November 23, 2019, 12:11:02 pm »
so it fair for some but not fair for all?
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« Reply #405 on: November 23, 2019, 12:24:49 pm »
I was referring to guys who are current players.

Ok, I am officially fucking confused. Is this about 2017 or the whole history of MLB? In 2017, Beltran was a player, and Cora was a coach.
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« Reply #406 on: November 23, 2019, 12:28:49 pm »
so it fair for some but not fair for all?

Of course that's what it is.

This is a business,  not a court of law. 
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« Reply #407 on: November 23, 2019, 12:34:22 pm »
Ok, I am officially fucking confused. Is this about 2017 or the whole history of MLB? In 2017, Beltran was a player, and Cora was a coach.

Sorry.  It is about 2017.   But the punishment, if there is any, wont be to any current players, due to the CBA expiring and the commish not wanting to deal with the players union right now.   Since Beltran is no longer a player, he could be in the cross hairs.  Ultimately my money is on a FO banning, a penalty and fine on the org.  Hinch is next on the likely to be sanctioned, followed by Beltran and Cora.   
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« Reply #408 on: November 23, 2019, 12:35:02 pm »
Jomboy has made The Athletic. About the Astros, of course.
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« Reply #409 on: November 23, 2019, 12:36:06 pm »
I doubt they will touch Beltran or Cora. If so, slap on the wrist.

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« Reply #410 on: November 23, 2019, 12:40:03 pm »
Jomboy has made The Athletic. About the Astros, of course.

I'm really hoping The Athletic is done with the hatchet jobs and they expose other clubs.

Otherwise I'll have a hard time justifying paying them to throw piles of shit at my favorite team.

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« Reply #411 on: November 23, 2019, 12:42:45 pm »
I'm really hoping The Athletic is done with the hatchet jobs and they expose other clubs.

Otherwise I'll have a hard time justifying paying them to throw piles of shit at my favorite team.

All they are waiting for is another Fiers..  Heard that they have sources, for other teams electronic sign stealing, but none are willing to put their names to it like Mike did. 
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« Reply #412 on: November 23, 2019, 12:43:48 pm »
I'm really hoping The Athletic is done with the hatchet jobs and they expose other clubs.

Otherwise I'll have a hard time justifying paying them to throw piles of shit at my favorite team.

I wouldn’t read Evan Drellich’s drivel if it got me a free handjob from Scarlett Johansson. I sure as shit wouldn’t pay to read it.
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« Reply #413 on: November 23, 2019, 12:45:37 pm »
People have been talking about the Astros and other teams using tech to steal signs for years.   They never ran anything because they didnt want to use “anonymous” sources and hearsay.   Fiers opened the flood gates.
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« Reply #414 on: November 23, 2019, 12:46:41 pm »
All they are waiting for is another Fiers..  Heard that they have sources, for other teams electronic sign stealing, but none are willing to put their names to it like Mike did.

Please don't call him that.

Mike plays left field for this team and is a goddamn professional hitter.

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« Reply #415 on: November 23, 2019, 12:47:58 pm »
I wouldn’t read Evan Drellich’s drivel if it got me a free handjob from Scarlett Johansson. I sure as shit wouldn’t pay to read it.

Well you wouldn't be able to see straight to read it anyway.

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« Reply #416 on: November 23, 2019, 12:48:09 pm »
Ha!  Point taken.
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« Reply #417 on: November 23, 2019, 12:50:51 pm »
I’m genuinely  curious as to what lead Fiers to come forward,   There are plenty of former Astros out there and none said shit.  I’d also love to have an off the record talk with someone like Altuve or Bregman or George or McCann or AJ as to their thoughts on Fiers.   
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« Reply #418 on: November 23, 2019, 01:01:33 pm »
Apropos of nothing, I was wearing my Astros polo last week and another guy struck up a conversation with me.  He said he was a huge Astros fan, bitched a little bit about Hinch in the WS, and then asked me what I thought of the scandal.  I said there was so much conflicting info out there, hard to believe what is true, waiting for the full report, etc.  Dude launches into a tirade about the people running the team, Hinch and Luhnow should be permabanned from baseball, and that Mike Fiers is a hero for speaking out about it.

Except that when he mentioned Fiers he said, "Who's that guy---Mike 'Fears'?"

Yeah, you know how I know you're not as big a fan of the team?

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« Reply #419 on: November 23, 2019, 01:20:23 pm »
Apropos of nothing, I was wearing my Astros polo last week and another guy struck up a conversation with me.  He said he was a huge Astros fan, bitched a little bit about Hinch in the WS, and then asked me what I thought of the scandal.  I said there was so much conflicting info out there, hard to believe what is true, waiting for the full report, etc.  Dude launches into a tirade about the people running the team, Hinch and Luhnow should be permabanned from baseball, and that Mike Fiers is a hero for speaking out about it.

Except that when he mentioned Fiers he said, "Who's that guy---Mike 'Fears'?"

Yeah, you know how I know you're not as big a fan of the team?

Probably a Johnny-come-lately post-Fiers fan. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.