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« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2019, 04:07:33 pm »
All of this is so much BS. There’s so much talent on this team. I’m not even going to read anymore about it. Take a draft pick... whatever....

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« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2019, 05:02:49 pm »
True. If the Astros did anything wrong in this area in 2017, Beltran and Cora were in the big middle of it.

I was out of pocket yesterday when the but this above was my first thought.  Beltran was the hero in the dugout who is the expert at picking up pitchers tipping their pitches.  Who was doing the same thing in NY.  Cora was the coach credited with all the improvement in the batter's approach at the plate.  There is no way they were not aware of this happening. 


This morning, the Athletic's 'the lead' podcast had Rosenthal on it to talk about it and he was did a good job of pointing out that this was bigger than an Astros issue and that the investigation will likely have the effect of pointing out other teams.  He pointed out that when the Red Sox were punished the yankees also received a fine for improper use of a dugout phone the prior season. 
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« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2019, 05:11:22 pm »
You know Blummer was sitting in the outfield.  He could have been the one stealing signs.

I saw one article blaming Bobby Dynamite. 

It's almost worth losing a draft pick to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth by Dodger and Yankee fans. 
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« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2019, 05:23:50 pm »
I saw one article blaming Bobby Dynamite. 

That's hilarious.

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« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2019, 05:38:00 pm »
I saw one article blaming Bobby Dynamite. 

It's almost worth losing a draft pick to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth by Dodger and Yankee fans.

Some ex-Red Sox reliever today blamed the bullpen catcher. The conspiracy widens.
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« Reply #105 on: November 13, 2019, 05:56:20 pm »
Some ex-Red Sox reliever today blamed the bullpen catcher. The conspiracy widens.

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« Reply #106 on: November 13, 2019, 05:58:53 pm »
Some ex-Red Sox reliever today blamed the bullpen catcher. The conspiracy widens.

Some yahoo yesterday was expounding on how the Astros could easily have some anonymous looking guy sitting in Torchy's, watching the catcher's sign and signaling by a gesture...touching his cap, sipping his beer, etc.  I explained that it was hard enough to pick up the catcher's sign from the mound, 60 feet away, and it's pretty much impossible to see it from the centerfield bleachers 475 feet away...and not to get me started on the hitter picking out one guy in a sea of thousands.  He didn't buy it.  He's convinced that if you sit in the outfield stands, you have pretty much the same detailed view as you have sitting on your couch. 
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #107 on: November 13, 2019, 06:00:23 pm »
Some yahoo yesterday was expounding on how the Astros could easily have some anonymous looking guy sitting in Torchy's, watching the catcher's sign and signaling by a gesture...touching his cap, sipping his beer, etc.  I explained that it was hard enough to pick up the catcher's sign from the mound, 60 feet away, and it's pretty much impossible to see it from the centerfield bleachers 475 feet away...and not to get me started on the hitter picking out one guy in a sea of thousands.  He didn't buy it.  He's convinced that if you sit in the outfield stands, you have pretty much the same detailed view as you have sitting on your couch.

Well that dude is an idiot.
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« Reply #108 on: November 13, 2019, 06:11:58 pm »
Some yahoo yesterday was expounding on how the Astros could easily have some anonymous looking guy sitting in Torchy's, watching the catcher's sign and signaling by a gesture...touching his cap, sipping his beer, etc.  I explained that it was hard enough to pick up the catcher's sign from the mound, 60 feet away, and it's pretty much impossible to see it from the centerfield bleachers 475 feet away...and not to get me started on the hitter picking out one guy in a sea of thousands.  He didn't buy it.  He's convinced that if you sit in the outfield stands, you have pretty much the same detailed view as you have sitting on your couch.

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« Reply #109 on: November 13, 2019, 06:13:46 pm »
Wait. What if there are two guys in Torchy's stealing signs... and they're doppelgangers???
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« Reply #110 on: November 13, 2019, 06:32:51 pm »


  I explained that it was hard enough to pick up the catcher's sign from the mound, 60 feet away, and it's pretty much impossible to see it from the centerfield bleachers 475 feet away...

As someone who has been yelled at by plenty of catchers over the years. I challenge anyone to go stand on a mound, have your friend crouch down and nearly close his legs together and give you 2, 3, 4 signs and keep it straight. Then run to the foul poll and back, get you a good sweat going and try again. It's not nearly as easy as it looks.

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« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2019, 07:03:54 pm »
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/was-mike-fiers-cheating-during-his-no-hitter/

This may have been mentioned or posted earlier.  If so, my apologies.

 It’s not like this guy hasn’t been accused of things in his baseball life.

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« Reply #112 on: November 14, 2019, 08:08:10 am »
Beltran speaks. Good. Waiting for others. Cora? You’re up.
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« Reply #113 on: November 14, 2019, 08:21:56 am »
Beltran speaks. Good. Waiting for others. Cora? You’re up.
According to reports that I read this morning, Cora declined to comment.
https://sports.yahoo.com/report-red-sox-manager-alex-cora-mets-carlos-beltran-implicated-in-astros-signstealing-scheme-055319318.html

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« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2019, 08:51:33 am »
Rosenthal has hinted at how widespread this is.

Wonder if they have the goods on other teams.

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« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2019, 08:54:16 am »
Rosenthal has hinted at how widespread this is.

Wonder if they have the goods on other teams.

Maybe Fiers knows.
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« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2019, 08:59:07 am »
Rosenthal has hinted at how widespread this is.

Wonder if they have the goods on other teams.

There are the latest tech cameras in every ballpark.
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« Reply #117 on: November 14, 2019, 09:02:51 am »
Maybe Fiers knows.

I'm sure he's too busy running his orphanage for young pitchers to comment.
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« Reply #118 on: November 14, 2019, 09:25:13 am »
Maybe Fiers knows.

His contract expires after next season.  I wonder if any team will be willing to sign him?
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« Reply #119 on: November 14, 2019, 09:32:23 am »
Now the media is offering video “proof” the Astros cheated in 4/19 v. NYY with bangs from the dugout for a changeup.
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