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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #80 on: October 31, 2019, 05:16:52 pm »
 It was the hitter's inability to knock in runs early that lost the game. 

Harris made a good pitch.  Kendrick put a good swing on it.  Tip your cap and move on. 

People can say Cole would have done this but they are guessing.

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« Reply #81 on: October 31, 2019, 05:38:28 pm »
I was in a horrible mood after the game. I still am. I can't imagine how much worse a mood the players were in. So I can understand that Cole might have said and done some things that were out of character, even if it's part of his job to talk to the media after his team loses Game 7 of the World Series.

That being said, I recall that Cole rebuffed earlier efforts by the Astros to discuss an extension. Keuchel did the same. I never got the impression that Cole was interested in staying with the Astros. I wish he'd have acquitted himself better last night, but I suspect the Astros and Cole probably made their peace with him moving on some time ago.

I would've loved to have him back, but I'm confident that Luhnow has been planning contingencies for replacing Cole for several months now. The Morton reclamation project worked out. The Miley one, not so much. But I imagine they'll combine some form of mid-market signing with what's already in the organization. McCullers will be back too. If he's able to return to form, that's three pretty good arms in the rotation already.

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« Reply #82 on: October 31, 2019, 06:28:03 pm »
I would've loved to have him back, but I'm confident that Luhnow has been planning contingencies for replacing Cole for several months now. The Morton reclamation project worked out. The Miley one, not so much. But I imagine they'll combine some form of mid-market signing with what's already in the organization. McCullers will be back too. If he's able to return to form, that's three pretty good arms in the rotation already.

It seems like it's usually not until their 2nd year back that TJ cases really return to their previous effectiveness, so I don't think I'd count on McCullers being an ace next year. I think he'll be ok, but it's going to take a while for him to regain feel and confidence.

I saw one opinion today refer to one of the Mets pitchers (Wheeler?) as a possible Morton 2.0 project. I expect them to do something like that. They're going to need to pay Springer soon.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #83 on: October 31, 2019, 06:28:50 pm »

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« Reply #84 on: October 31, 2019, 06:28:54 pm »
McCullers will be back too. If he's able to return to form, that's three pretty good arms in the rotation already.

I was saving it for whatever offseason thread appeared but I’m excited about a healthy McCullers.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2019, 06:31:35 pm »
Here's the video.

https://twitter.com/dtexanz/status/1190015985912340480?s=09

This is the first I’ve seen the video. He’s pissed. It makes more sense now. Shitty, but not the ‘fuck you to the Astros’ I thought it was.
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« Reply #86 on: October 31, 2019, 07:23:13 pm »
I was saving it for whatever offseason thread appeared but I’m excited about a healthy McCullers.

Same... healthy, a little old and more mature.
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« Reply #87 on: October 31, 2019, 07:35:00 pm »
Same... healthy, a little old and more mature.

Does McCullers's rehab year count toward his service time for arbitration and free agency? I assume it does, but I don't know for certain.
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« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2019, 07:41:19 pm »
Does McCullers's rehab year count toward his service time for arbitration and free agency? I assume it does, but I don't know for certain.

Yes.  A player accrues service time if he is on the Major League Injured List.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2019, 07:44:08 pm »
Here's Cole's message to Houston fans:

https://twitter.com/GerritCole45/status/1189976888233615361?s=19

(if you aren't on Twitter,  he says nice things about the team,  fans, and city; nice farewell statement)

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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #90 on: October 31, 2019, 07:53:32 pm »
Here's Cole's message to Houston fans:

https://twitter.com/GerritCole45/status/1189976888233615361?s=19

(if you aren't on Twitter,  he says nice things about the team,  fans, and city; nice farewell statement)

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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2019, 07:59:10 pm »
Wearing the Boras cap instead of the Astros cap in the clubhouse did it for me with him.

Yep. That was completely unnecessary. I suppose it's possible that he forgot that he even had it on, but why even bring it to the ballpark?
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« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2019, 08:02:34 pm »
Yep. That was completely unnecessary. I suppose it's possible that he forgot that he even had it on, but why even bring it to the ballpark?

Not possible. As Dobro said, orchestrated.
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« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2019, 08:17:30 pm »
It seems like it's usually not until their 2nd year back that TJ cases really return to their previous effectiveness, so I don't think I'd count on McCullers being an ace next year. I think he'll be ok, but it's going to take a while for him to regain feel and confidence.

I saw one opinion today refer to one of the Mets pitchers (Wheeler?) as a possible Morton 2.0 project. I expect them to do something like that. They're going to need to pay Springer soon.

In the past week or two he tweeted video of himself pitching off a mound claiming he was hitting 90.  I also read somewhere he's finishing rehab soon.
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« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2019, 08:33:53 pm »
If Strasburg opts out, wonder if we contact him.
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« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2019, 08:36:10 pm »
If Strasburg opts out, wonder if we contact him.

He has to cost a fortune, too, doesn't he?
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2019, 08:47:21 pm »
He has to cost a fortune, too, doesn't he?

Heck, I don’t know. We need another ace though. We’ll see how JV bounces back, but he looked out of gas from the beginning in Game 6. FB 93-95, occasionally touched 95.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #98 on: October 31, 2019, 10:36:38 pm »
He has to cost a fortune, too, doesn't he?

 Cole $$ I would think.

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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2019, 07:39:32 am »
Wearing the Boras cap instead of the Astros cap in the clubhouse did it for me with him.

From the chron article:

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Cole also explained that the Boras Corp. hat, which had the insignia of his agent, Scott Boras, he wore after Game 7 did not have anything to do with his relationship with the Astros. Cole had been wearing the hat for three months, mostly on days that he started, as “a good luck charm.”

Not saying it an excuse or wasn't orchestrated but it sort of explains why he had the cap on there and then.
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