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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2019, 07:58:36 am »
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texas-sports-nation/astros/article/Astros-Gerrit-Cole-I-don-t-have-a-crystal-ball-14701325.php

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That is exactly what my hope was from my 1st reply to hearing his interview...that he was mostly upset with the loss.

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« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2019, 09:06:18 am »
That is exactly what my hope was from my 1st reply to hearing his interview...that he was mostly upset with the loss.

Yep, that certainly is much better. My guess is Amy Cole kicked his butt and said “Gerrit, you were an ass.”

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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2019, 09:11:53 am »
We’ll see how JV bounces back, but he looked out of gas from the beginning in Game 6. FB 93-95, occasionally touched 95.

Totally agree that Verlander was gassed.  I saw some stat that Verlander has pitched 1,000 more pitches than any other pitcher in baseball over the past 3 seasons.  It seems like the Astros need to find a way to limit Verlander's pitches next season if they want him to be effective in the post-season.
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« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2019, 09:20:32 am »
Totally agree that Verlander was gassed.  I saw some stat that Verlander has pitched 1,000 more pitches than any other pitcher in baseball over the past 3 seasons.  It seems like the Astros need to find a way to limit Verlander's pitches next season if they want him to be effective in the post-season.

I do not know how that is possible. Pulling him too soon is not the answer, and the man thinks 200 innings is important. Foul balls, walks, and Ks run the pitch count up. He would have to be a willing participant in any arbitrary limit.

As an aside.my scout friend told me after Game 2 he was concerned about JV because “his arm speed is down.”He blamed the innings pitched, which I think reached 258. I do not know about that technical point, but I do know he was not throwing 96-97 in Game 6.
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« Reply #104 on: November 01, 2019, 11:05:47 am »
I do not know how that is possible. Pulling him too soon is not the answer, and the man thinks 200 innings is important. Foul balls, walks, and Ks run the pitch count up. He would have to be a willing participant in any arbitrary limit.

As an aside.my scout friend told me after Game 2 he was concerned about JV because “his arm speed is down.”He blamed the innings pitched, which I think reached 258. I do not know about that technical point, but I do know he was not throwing 96-97 in Game 6.

I was wondering the same thing.  257.1 IP is more than he's thrown since 2012, so it's feasible that his longevity within the season as he gets older isn't what it once was.  If that is indeed the issue, it may well become that he can't both be a 200IP guy and also pitch effectively deep into the postseason without changing his repertoire.

It's too early to sound the alarm, but it's definitely something that he and the Astros (or whoever else he plays for) should keep in the back of their minds as he approaches and passes 40.

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« Reply #105 on: November 01, 2019, 11:07:22 am »
Maybe the LDS start on short rest took a toll.

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« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2019, 11:08:21 am »
Maybe the LDS start on short rest took a toll.

I doubt it. My guess is accumulation of innings and age.
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« Reply #107 on: November 01, 2019, 11:17:43 am »
I doubt it. My guess is accumulation of innings and age.

Maybe next season some built in substitute starts.

AJ and Luhnow are meeting with the media now.

Of course AJ is hitting all the right notes.


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« Reply #108 on: November 01, 2019, 11:27:44 am »
Maybe next season some built in substitute starts.

AJ and Luhnow are meeting with the media now.

Of course AJ is hitting all the right notes.

Where are you seeing/hearing this?

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« Reply #109 on: November 01, 2019, 11:28:30 am »
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« Reply #110 on: November 01, 2019, 11:42:03 am »
Those interviews also are on At Bat.
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« Reply #111 on: November 01, 2019, 11:48:47 am »
I just watched the clip on At Bat. Hinch clarifies he and Cole agreed he would not appear in the middle of an inning (for the reasons you all know) and would pitch only to protect a win. That will not shut up the idiots, but it is clear Cole understood and was on board with the pitching plan.
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« Reply #112 on: November 01, 2019, 11:49:56 am »
I just watched the clip on At Bat. Hinch clarifies he and Cole agreed he would not appear in the middle of an inning (for the reasons you all know) and would pitch only to protect a win. That will not shut up the idiots, but it is clear Cole understood and was on board with the pitching plan.

He also aid Cole got up on his own.

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« Reply #113 on: November 01, 2019, 11:56:45 am »
He also aid Cole got up on his own.

He also said he wished they could have won a game at home.
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« Reply #114 on: November 01, 2019, 12:09:00 pm »
He also said he wished they could have won a game at home.

Would have been nice.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #115 on: November 01, 2019, 12:48:19 pm »
From the chron article:

Not saying it an excuse or wasn't orchestrated but it sort of explains why he had the cap on there and then.

You don't wear a "good luck charm" after the event in which you need the good luck is over.  BS.

For example, eating frito pie right now will do nothing for Game 7 two days ago.
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Re: Cole and Game 5
« Reply #116 on: November 01, 2019, 01:47:13 pm »
ETA: Let me hasten to add, Crane needs to fucking get over his luxury tax phobia. To build/continue a dynasty, he must resign Cole.

Agreed.  The Astros need a long-term anchor for their rotation like Cole.  My hope is Crane is willing to sign Cole and take the luxury tax hit for the next two seasons until Greinke and Verlander’s contracts expire. 
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