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« Reply #120 on: October 23, 2019, 11:18:28 am »
Also, "those that know me know I am a progressive" sure sounds a lot like "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

Doubt there will be any more statements though.

I am not a Progressive and I would not have considered doing what he allegedly did. This is not about politics.

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« Reply #121 on: October 23, 2019, 11:20:56 am »
Also, "those that know me know I am a progressive" sure sounds a lot like "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

Doubt there will be any more statements though.

He's probably related to a woman.
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« Reply #122 on: October 23, 2019, 11:31:28 am »

Luhnow's comments @4:06 with Sean Salisbury.

Not a ton to be taken from it, tried to piggy back on AJ a bit.  Will wait for the MLB process to play out and "hope we can put it behind us".  Still kinda sounds a bit like "sorry you were offended".  Writers have circled the wagons, have multiple witnesses supporting original article and all the Astros have given us is Taubman's statement.

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« Reply #123 on: October 23, 2019, 11:38:57 am »
Luhnow's comments @4:06 with Sean Salisbury.

Not a ton to be taken from it, tried to piggy back on AJ a bit.  Will wait for the MLB process to play out and "hope we can put it behind us".  Still kinda sounds a bit like "sorry you were offended".  Writers have circled the wagons, have multiple witnesses supporting original article and all the Astros have given us is Taubman's statement.

Just a sincere sounding apology would be a huge step in the right direction.

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« Reply #124 on: October 23, 2019, 11:44:32 am »
Just a sincere sounding apology would be a huge step in the right direction.

Fucking embarrassing.

At least he said "I apologize" without adding the "if" statements.  MLB investigating gives him a complete out on any further comment.

The more I think about Taubman's reported behaviors the more he seems like a stereotypical immature frat boy.
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« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2019, 11:45:14 am »
Luhnow's turn to step on a rake: “What we really don’t know is the intent behind the inappropriate comments he made. We may never know that because the person who said them and the people who heard them, at least up to this point, have different perspectives.”

What the fuck is wrong with them?
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« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2019, 11:47:56 am »
Luhnow's turn to step on a rake: “What we really don’t know is the intent behind the inappropriate comments he made. We may never know that because the person who said them and the people who heard them, at least up to this point, have different perspectives.”

What the fuck is wrong with them?

Seems quite clear he has a serious hard-on for Taubman.
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« Reply #127 on: October 23, 2019, 12:00:48 pm »
Seems quite clear he has a serious hard-on for Taubman.

I guess it's time to face the fact that Taubman and the PR folks will keep their jobs.

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« Reply #128 on: October 23, 2019, 12:19:46 pm »
I guess it's time to face the fact that Taubman and the PR folks will keep their jobs.

The PR folks aren't on the frontline in this.  Taubman certainly is.  I think he'll end up gone.

The more I think about what Luhnow said in the interview the more it seems clear to me he's too close to see what's happening.  Worrying about intent of the statement is well past its expiration date.  The narrative has now been written.  As there really is no absolute way to know what anyone is thinking there's no way he can alter the narrative without the accusers first retracting.  That's not happening.  For now and likely a long time into the future Taubman is a misogynist douche bag whether that's really true or not.  I can't see any other baseball org hiring or recruiting him.  As long as he's employed "the media" as well as a lot of other public figures (I'm a bit surprised some of the local politicians haven't come out on this yet) will caveat all things Astros as the domestic violence enabling organization.  At some point MLB I would imagine will lay that kind of reality at Crane's feet.
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« Reply #129 on: October 23, 2019, 12:28:05 pm »
Well aren't you all a woke bunch.  So. Stinkin'. Cute.

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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2019, 12:36:36 pm »
The press release and now Luhnow’s comments are the reason why I counsel my clients to buy the crisis management add-on to insurance packages.  Allowing senior executives to rake-step their way through interview after interview does nothing but generate clicks for the media and bad press for the individuals and organization. 
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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2019, 12:49:50 pm »
The press release and now Luhnow’s comments are the reason why I counsel my clients to buy the crisis management add-on to insurance packages.  Allowing senior executives to rake-step their way through interview after interview does nothing but generate clicks for the media and bad press for the individuals and organization.

This is nowhere near complicated. It's not that someone's offshore rig is spewing 400,000 barrels of oil into the ocean every half hour. Some baseball dweeb got liquored up and went a-bullyin'. Several of you knuckleheads have offered sample apologies that would have put this whole thing to bed immediately. It is absolutely mind bending that the people running the team couldn't (or wouldn't) do that right away. Don't they know that the entire global sports media is staring squarely at them right now?
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« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2019, 01:06:39 pm »
This is nowhere near complicated. It's not that someone's offshore rig is spewing 400,000 barrels of oil into the ocean every half hour. Some baseball dweeb got liquored up and went a-bullyin'. Several of you knuckleheads have offered sample apologies that would have put this whole thing to bed immediately. It is absolutely mind bending that the people running the team couldn't (or wouldn't) do that right away. Don't they know that the entire global sports media is staring squarely at them right now?

Agreed.  All they had to do was say they take these allegations seriously and will launch an internal investigation into the matter, along with cooperating with MLB’s investigation. Their arrogance in response is not helping matters now or in the future.
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« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2019, 01:33:42 pm »
The PR folks aren't on the frontline in this.  Taubman certainly is.  I think he'll end up gone.

The more I think about what Luhnow said in the interview the more it seems clear to me he's too close to see what's happening.  Worrying about intent of the statement is well past its expiration date.  The narrative has now been written.  As there really is no absolute way to know what anyone is thinking there's no way he can alter the narrative without the accusers first retracting.  That's not happening.  For now and likely a long time into the future Taubman is a misogynist douche bag whether that's really true or not.  I can't see any other baseball org hiring or recruiting him.  As long as he's employed "the media" as well as a lot of other public figures (I'm a bit surprised some of the local politicians haven't come out on this yet) will caveat all things Astros as the domestic violence enabling organization.  At some point MLB I would imagine will lay that kind of reality at Crane's feet.

It's insane that Luhnow thinks intent is at all relevant while at the same times acknowledging that the comments were inappropriate.
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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2019, 01:39:09 pm »
op-ed from USA Today:

"The Houston Astros are Major League Baseball's worst nightmare"

This may be the stupidest comment ever printed in a newspaper.
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« Reply #135 on: October 23, 2019, 02:24:38 pm »
The press release and now Luhnow’s comments are the reason why I counsel my clients to buy the crisis management add-on to insurance packages.  Allowing senior executives to rake-step their way through interview after interview does nothing but generate clicks for the media and bad press for the individuals and organization.

Indeed, going into an interview not being better prepared for entirely expected questions suggests a lack of understanding of the gravity of the situation.

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« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2019, 02:32:02 pm »
op-ed from USA Today:

"The Houston Astros are Major League Baseball's worst nightmare"

This may be the stupidest comment ever printed in a newspaper.
While you can certainly argue that, the Astros themselves paved the road for reporters to drive down with stories like this, due to their tepid, insufficient response to this whole ordeal.

If I was Crane and I read that headline, Luhnow would be walking out of my office within the next 10 minutes with a few instructions, the first of which would be to inform Mr Taubman he is now unemployed.


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« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2019, 02:58:51 pm »
This is nowhere near complicated. It's not that someone's offshore rig is spewing 400,000 barrels of oil into the ocean every half hour. Some baseball dweeb got liquored up and went a-bullyin'. Several of you knuckleheads have offered sample apologies that would have put this whole thing to bed immediately. It is absolutely mind bending that the people running the team couldn't (or wouldn't) do that right away. Don't they know that the entire global sports media is staring squarely at them right now?

The point of hiring a crisis manager is that they save these people from themselves.  Unfortunately such people are typically too arrogant to get help and do they try to walk the tightrope on their own.  They always fail (because they don’t think they owe an answer) and make matters worse. 
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« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2019, 03:01:48 pm »
Agreed.  All they had to do was say they take these allegations seriously and will launch an internal investigation into the matter, along with cooperating with MLB’s investigation.

This is exactly what a crisis manager would tell you to do.  Likely adding a promise of a date/time by which he’d address the media again on the subject and then pivoting to “meanwhile we have game 2 coming up...”

Simples. 
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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2019, 03:41:37 pm »
Indeed, going into an interview not being better prepared for entirely expected questions suggests a lack of understanding of the gravity of the situation.

Or it suggests that he (Luhnow) and/or Crane simply don't care.  I'm unfortunately beginning to think that, given that they are still pretending that their bullshit statement about SI never happened.