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« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2019, 10:35:28 am »
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« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2019, 10:39:34 am »
Luhnow and Crane are the management face of the franchise. They need to do whatever it takes to make this go away and they need to do it immediately and publicly so that the entire focus shifts back to the field.

Reid Ryan is President of the Astros on the operations side including PR and media. He must be involved also.
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« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2019, 10:48:10 am »
Reid Ryan is President of the Astros on the operations side including PR and media. He must be involved also.

I think he's just saying that Crane and Luhnow are more recognizable faces of the organization.  Also, Taubman reports to Luhnow and everyone reports to Crane.  Reid Ryan should absolutely be involved from here on out, but any attempts to walk this back will ring a bit hollow without Crane and Luhnow out there also.

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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2019, 10:51:53 am »
I think he's just saying that Crane and Luhnow are more recognizable faces of the organization.  Also, Taubman reports to Luhnow and everyone reports to Crane.  Reid Ryan should absolutely be involved from here on out, but any attempts to walk this back will ring a bit hollow without Crane and Luhnow out there also.

What the fucking fuck, Waldo. Reading comprehension much? I said Reid Ryan ALSO, not instead. The press release is in Ryan’s umbrella, and he needs to be involved ALSO. along with Luhnow and Crane. Having Ryan involved is hardly “walking it back.”
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« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2019, 10:55:46 am »
What the fucking fuck, Waldo. Reading comprehension much? I said Reid Ryan ALSO, not instead. The press release is in Ryan’s umbrella, and he needs to be involved ALSO. along with Luhnow and Crane. Having Ryan involved is hardly “walking it back.”

Relax, Jim, I wasn't trying to correct or challenge what you said.  I know you said "also".  I was just trying to reinforce the point that anything the org does from here on out must involve all three of Crane, Luhnow, and Ryan.

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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2019, 11:00:28 am »
I'm really hoping that some additional info is forthcoming. From the media or Astros org. Some more details or context (video w sound). Just something for context.

The response, starting with declining to comment to the actual statement that was released seems so out of character for the Astros org.





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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2019, 11:05:16 am »
Crane needs to have Ryan answer for the press release and Crane needs to have Luhnow fire his idiot assistant. Ryan may not have any prior knowledge of or had anything to do with the press release but someone that reports to him did. 
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Re: Latest Controversy
« Reply #67 on: October 22, 2019, 11:33:03 am »
Twitter's own @actioncoobook says it about as well as I could hope to:

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The logo doesn’t stand for some front-office toad who proudly traded for a bad man who then played well; someday they’ll be gone and you’ll still be here. It stands for memories shared over lazy summer afternoons and tense fall evenings. It stands for a father teaching his daughter to hold a bat just like Bagwell or Altuve, for a mother bonding with her son over the team she grew up loving, for women who love sports or work in sports standing in their place and not having to apologize for it, explain it, or justify it to anyone.

The wins and losses will pass; the shared history will not. The Brandon Taubmans and Roberto Osunas don’t own the game; you do.

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« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2019, 11:38:37 am »
I have to think that the Astros response (and possibly the idiotic incident from the beginning) means that they believe that this reporter has an axe to grind, or that there is some sort of ongoing history here about this.

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« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2019, 11:59:25 am »
Twitter's own @actioncoobook says it about as well as I could hope to:

“some front office toad who traded for a bad man who played well”

That says what you would say’? Bullshit.
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« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2019, 12:34:31 pm »
I have to think that the Astros response (and possibly the idiotic incident from the beginning) means that they believe that this reporter has an axe to grind, or that there is some sort of ongoing history here about this.

I don’t know if the reporter has an axe to grind, but the Astros’ response grabbed the axe and planted it firmly in their own foot.


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« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2019, 12:46:52 pm »
I don’t know if the reporter has an axe to grind, but the Astros’ response grabbed the axe and planted it firmly in their own foot.


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Re: Latest Controversy
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2019, 01:56:07 pm »

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« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2019, 01:57:24 pm »
Doesn't address the shitburger of a statement last night, but it's probably enough to put the issue to bed.

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« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2019, 01:58:10 pm »
 op-ed from USA Today:

"The Houston Astros are Major League Baseball's worst nightmare"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/opinion-mlb-needs-to-address-houston-astros-troubling-history-of-toxic-behavior/ar-AAJaSPp

This reporter also wrote this earlier this year…

https://thehayride.com/2018/04/usa-today-runs-dumbest-op-ed-time-sports-section/


Much to do about nothing but an Astro Executive losing his cool about the relentless questioning of Osuna who has paid his dues for his mistake. He is paid not to lose his cool...granted. But should Osuna not get a chance to make up for his mistake and pitch in the MLB. Other athletes have done far worse. Should this be an indictment of the Astros as an organization.

Reprimand Taubman and let's play ball... Go 'Stros !
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« Reply #75 on: October 22, 2019, 01:59:32 pm »
"I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my actions."

What a fucking bullshit ending.

How about just an "I'm sorry." instead of adding a tag to make it sound like people shouldn't be offended by your drunken idiocy.

Fucking ridiculous.
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« Reply #76 on: October 22, 2019, 02:01:09 pm »
Luhnow needs to get out in front of this tomorrow, immediately. But he'll probably end up saying that Taubman's transgressions are really ultimately a net positive since they'll help to raise awareness.

Crane has that one covered. Called it.
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« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2019, 02:02:06 pm »
"I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my actions."

What a fucking bullshit ending.

How about just an "I'm sorry." instead of adding a tag to make it sound like people shouldn't be offended by your drunken idiocy.

Fucking ridiculous.

'I'm sorry you are upset' is not an apology.

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« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2019, 02:02:20 pm »
Crane has that one covered. Called it.

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« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2019, 02:02:58 pm »
'I'm sorry you are upset' is not an apology.

Thank you. That was what I was trying to convey but everything was so red and blurry from the rage bubbles I was having a hard time articulating.
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