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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2019, 08:37:33 am »
It looks like (1) the Astros got the facts wrong in the press release; (2) Traubman was being an ass at work and embarrassed the organization; and (3) the Stros could have diffused the situation with a simple you-misunderstood-the-motives-but-we-are-so-sorry-our-behavior-was-inexcusable, which was really the only thing appropriate. If Traubman and the Astros intended to defend Osuna they've accomplished exactly the opposite. Osuna and the Astros will never be able to walk away from the domestic violence storyline now.

So much this.  It is amazing that people who are clearly brilliant, can be so fucking stupid.  I dont know if this is a case of someone being really smart in one area and really dumb in another.  Or just an issue of pettiness and spite.
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 08:41:57 am »
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 08:42:34 am »
At the end of the day, im not letting this sour my enjoyment of the World Series.  The WS is about the players.  I can separate the 2.   I can be disappointed in a buffoon in the front office and still root for and enjoy the team. 
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 08:43:37 am »
It looks like (1) the Astros got the facts wrong in the press release; (2) Traubman was being an ass at work and embarrassed the organization; and (3) the Stros could have diffused the situation with a simple you-misunderstood-the-motives-but-we-are-so-sorry-our-behavior-was-inexcusable, which was really the only thing appropriate. If Traubman and the Astros intended to defend Osuna they've accomplished exactly the opposite. Osuna and the Astros will never be able to walk away from the domestic violence storyline now.

Exactly.  The press reports say that no one was being interviewed at the time and Osuna and/or domestic violence was not being discussed.  Maybe there had been questions earlier and Taubman had been stewing on it, but that's still no excuse.  He's got to be a professional there, and he wasn't.
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2019, 08:46:31 am »
At the end of the day, im not letting this sour my enjoyment of the World Series.  The WS is about the players.  I can separate the 2.   I can be disappointed in a buffoon in the front office and still root for and enjoy the team.

Same here, but it was unnecessary.
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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2019, 08:51:02 am »
I want to know if the SI reporter went to Astros top brass about it before posting the report.  We train our staff to report abuse of any kind right away before doing anything else.  Don't let a perpetrator have any more time to continue bad behavior than can be helped.
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« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2019, 08:51:09 am »
It looks like (1) the Astros got the facts wrong in the press release; (2) Traubman was being an ass at work and embarrassed the organization; and (3) the Stros could have diffused the situation with a simple you-misunderstood-the-motives-but-we-are-so-sorry-our-behavior-was-inexcusable, which was really the only thing appropriate. If Traubman and the Astros intended to defend Osuna they've accomplished exactly the opposite. Osuna and the Astros will never be able to walk away from the domestic violence storyline now.

The part I can't get over is that Stephanie Apstein approached the Astros for comment before posting the article and they declined comment.  Not "We'll look into it", not "We're already looking into it", not your completely palatable #3 comment, not even some meaningless PR bullshit that wouldn't have stirred the pot - just a straight up "No comment".  And then they release that statement after the article goes live?  What the fuck are they thinking?

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« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2019, 08:52:34 am »
I want to know if the SI reporter went to Astros top brass about it before posting the report.  We train our staff to report abuse of any kind right away before doing anything else.  Don't let a perpetrator have any more time to continue bad behavior than can be helped.

The reporter asked the team for a comment on the story prior to running it.  The Astros said "No Comment"   Then released that ridiculous press release calling it fake news.....
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2019, 08:55:37 am »
The reporter asked the team for a comment on the story prior to running it.  The Astros said "No Comment"   Then released that ridiculous press release calling it fake news.....

That's not the same as going straight to Luhnow or Crane that night and reporting the event.  Then writing the story.  If she wrote first then asked for comment that's not the same.
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« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2019, 08:56:53 am »
It looks like (1) the Astros got the facts wrong in the press release; (2) Traubman was being an ass at work and embarrassed the organization; and (3) the Stros could have diffused the situation with a simple you-misunderstood-the-motives-but-we-are-so-sorry-our-behavior-was-inexcusable, which was really the only thing appropriate. If Traubman and the Astros intended to defend Osuna they've accomplished exactly the opposite. Osuna and the Astros will never be able to walk away from the domestic violence storyline now.

It would have been so easy to say “in the celebration, our employee made comments that could have been misconstrued. We reiterate our commitment to combating domestic violence and look forward to a great World Series.”

Instead, they took a brush fire and napalmed it.


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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2019, 08:57:59 am »
That's not the same as going straight to Luhnow or Crane that night and reporting the event.  Then writing the story.  If she wrote first then asked for comment that's not the same.

A distinction without a difference, IMO.  And even if it did matter, that in no way excuses the Astros' statement.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2019, 08:58:29 am »
I want to know if the SI reporter went to Astros top brass about it before posting the report.  We train our staff to report abuse of any kind right away before doing anything else.  Don't let a perpetrator have any more time to continue bad behavior than can be helped.

If it wasn’t to top brass, it was to PR. And any halfway competent PR staffer sees that story and picks up the bat phone to Crane.


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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2019, 09:01:02 am »
A distinction without a difference, IMO.

Massive difference.  Do not let a perpetrator have any more head start on abusing the next person than you possibly can.  We teach immediate reporting for that very real issue.
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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2019, 09:06:15 am »
If it wasn’t to top brass, it was to PR. And any halfway competent PR staffer sees that story and picks up the bat phone to Crane.


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Every one of these people are women.  If they weren't involved in that press release I can imagine they're in Crane's office this morning.

Vice President, Media Relations:  His office released the statement.  This guy's head could be on the chopping block this morning.
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2019, 09:08:01 am »
Massive difference.  Do not let a perpetrator have any more head start on abusing the next person than you possibly can.  We teach immediate reporting for that very real issue.

Fair enough, but that does nothing to hurt her credibility, nor does it validate the Astros' statement.

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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2019, 09:08:33 am »
The NY angle is a nothing burger. None of the reporters who have corroborated the story were on the Yankees beat, and many national writers are based in NY. Looking too hard for an anti-Astros bias.

Not saying the reporter is NY, but much of the media was very pro-NYY. That was discussed here loudly and often.
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« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2019, 09:10:07 am »
Not saying the reporter is NY, but much of the media was very pro-NYY. That was discussed here loudly and often.

Reporters from the Chron have corroborated the story.

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Every one of these people are women.  If they weren't involved in that press release I can imagine they're in Crane's office this morning.

Vice President, Media Relations:  His office released the statement.  This guy's head could be on the chopping block this morning.
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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2019, 09:19:33 am »
Is boorish behavior by an employee really this much of a crisis, that will consume the series?  I maintain there’s a lot of ground between evil apathy and righteous outrage.

No, no, no.  This is the 21st Century.  It's time for Twitter mob mentality.  The Astros should have to forfeit this Series, Luhnow and Taubman fired, the Astros fined $1 billion, and Hinch deported back to whatever shithole place he's from.  Oklahoma, I think.  Let's make it go viral!!
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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2019, 09:20:26 am »
The Athletic jumped on it too.
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Of course it did. It was all over the Verlander thing too.
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