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« Reply #180 on: October 25, 2019, 01:30:39 pm »
The values that Footer is expressing is that she wants Osuna off the team. She only tweets it when he pitches and she is smart enough to know it associates the Astros with DV. The number of women who follow her who don't know about DV hotlines and are victims of violence are beyond microscopic; however, her twitter audience is mostly male baseball fans and she wants them to find Osuna unacceptable without her losing her job. Footer has also been around long enough to have a huge number of back channels and favors in the bank to organize a smear campaign against Taubman without having to do it herself.

I'm not saying that she did anything wrong, but she wasn't an innocent person minding her own business either as that person seems to want to portray her.

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The ASTROS traded for a wife beater.  Some people have a problem with that.  If you don't that is your choice.  But there is absolutely nothing wrong with others pointing out what Osuna did, despite the fact that it triggers a certain group of snowflakes. 

If Taubman and the Astros can't handle criticism of bringing in a wife beater, then maybe they should have not traded for him. 
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« Reply #181 on: October 25, 2019, 01:40:01 pm »
GTFO

The ASTROS traded for a wife beater.  Some people have a problem with that.  If you don't that is your choice.  But there is absolutely nothing wrong with others pointing out what Osuna did, despite the fact that it triggers a certain group of snowflakes. 

If Taubman and the Astros can't handle criticism of bringing in a wife beater, then maybe they should have not traded for him.

Worse: the Astros only got him because of his domestic violence.  They took advantage of the situation to pick up a player for cheap because he was, at that moment, toxic.
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« Reply #182 on: October 25, 2019, 01:55:16 pm »
organize a smear campaign against Taubman

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« Reply #183 on: October 25, 2019, 02:07:12 pm »
More from the Athletic, with quotes from current and former (anonymous) Astros employees.

Taubman saga exposes longstanding questions about the Astros’ culture under Jim Crane and Jeff Luhnow

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One ex-Astros baseball operations employee said this week that when they left for another team, they did so specifically because of the culture of the front office. They’re not alone, though an exact number is unclear. The Osuna acquisition was eye-opening for many.

Makes you wonder if people like Sig Mejdal left for Baltimore for this reason.

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« Reply #184 on: October 25, 2019, 02:10:00 pm »
My take on this debacle, via Twitter.
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« Reply #185 on: October 25, 2019, 02:24:13 pm »
My take on this debacle, via Twitter.

Similar to what I've been thinking.  Since the trade, they've had to take the heat for the trade with no outlet to defend externally.  Internally, defense of it becomes identity.  Explains why it would be so easy to readily accept Taubman's account.

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« Reply #186 on: October 25, 2019, 02:33:45 pm »
GTFO

The ASTROS traded for a wife beater.  Some people have a problem with that.  If you don't that is your choice.  But there is absolutely nothing wrong with others pointing out what Osuna did, despite the fact that it triggers a certain group of snowflakes. 

If Taubman and the Astros can't handle criticism of bringing in a wife beater, then maybe they should have not traded for him.

Not saying she is wrong and she is entitled to her opinion either way.

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« Reply #187 on: October 25, 2019, 02:44:27 pm »
Like some are want to do, I’m not gonna make this about the Osuna trade. This is about the reprehensible behavior by the assistant to the GM. Taubman fucked up and crossed the line. The Astros as an organization initially responded badly and then walked back their initial response and responded correctly. I’m moving on.
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« Reply #188 on: October 25, 2019, 02:52:31 pm »
So I guess I’ll ask the question.

Do the Astros dump Osuna, either via trade or outright release, in the off-season in an effort to try and right this ship in the face of all that has gone on?


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« Reply #189 on: October 25, 2019, 02:57:33 pm »
So I guess I’ll ask the question.

Do the Astros dump Osuna, either via trade or outright release, in the off-season in an effort to try and right this ship in the face of all that has gone on?


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I expect they'll go back to touting his clean record since joining the Astros and all the work the org has done in the community the past year and a half.
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« Reply #190 on: October 25, 2019, 02:58:05 pm »
So I guess I’ll ask the question.

Do the Astros dump Osuna, either via trade or outright release, in the off-season in an effort to try and right this ship in the face of all that has gone on?


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Personally, IMO, no.  That is my answer to this date.  They decided to give him a second chance.  If he screws up his second chance, then let him go.  I say, trying to make him a better man is better for society, than not.  But, giving chances are always limited.
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« Reply #191 on: October 25, 2019, 03:59:04 pm »
Let’s not ignore the fact that media possess a herd mentality with a preferred narrative of good vs evil. We ‘re playing a team whose last championship was during the flapper era, and whose fan theme song is a pre-K ditty about baby sharks. Until and unless we start winning, the stories will continue unabated. Taubman lays bare the downside of the analytics approach, as opposed to the classic “eyetest”.

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« Reply #192 on: October 25, 2019, 04:31:38 pm »
More from the Athletic, with quotes from current and former (anonymous) Astros employees.

Taubman saga exposes longstanding questions about the Astros’ culture under Jim Crane and Jeff Luhnow

Makes you wonder if people like Sig Mejdal left for Baltimore for this reason.

I have no doubt there are parts of the article that are factually accurate.  It was also written by Evan Drellich.
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« Reply #193 on: October 25, 2019, 05:06:21 pm »
I have no doubt there are parts of the article that are factually accurate.  It was also written by Evan Drellich.
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« Reply #194 on: October 25, 2019, 05:57:31 pm »
I'll say it again.  I have no doubt that parts of the article are factually accurate. 

I also have no problem saying I struggle to take Evan Drellich seriously as a journalist.

ETA: Those two sentiments are not mutually exclusive.
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« Reply #195 on: October 27, 2019, 11:33:23 am »
Possibly his career?  He was in line to be a big league general manager in the next 5-10 years....millions of dollars per year in a high profile gig.  He's now relegated to promotions director at some Independent League team in Bumfuck, Nebraska.
I think the desire to hire a baseball executive with taubman's experience in the elite baseball organization outwieghs the minimal reputational costs. Taubman was unknkown to the general public before his outburst. Another mlb team will pick him up this winter.
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« Reply #196 on: October 27, 2019, 12:28:05 pm »
Yesterday Crane sent a letter to Apstein apologizing to her and officially retracting the original bullshit statement.

“On behalf of the entire Astros organization, I want to personally apologize for the statement we issued on Monday October 21st,” Crane wrote. “We were wrong and I am sorry that we initially questioned your professionalism. We retract that statement, and I assure you that the Houston Astros will learn from this experience.”
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« Reply #197 on: October 27, 2019, 12:31:24 pm »
Yesterday Crane sent a letter to Apstein apologizing to her and officially retracting the original bullshit statement.

“On behalf of the entire Astros organization, I want to personally apologize for the statement we issued on Monday October 21st,” Crane wrote. “We were wrong and I am sorry that we initially questioned your professionalism. We retract that statement, and I assure you that the Houston Astros will learn from this experience.”

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« Reply #198 on: October 27, 2019, 11:08:04 pm »
I don't know what the problem with all of this is. It's not like Osuna took a knee during the national anthem.
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« Reply #199 on: October 28, 2019, 07:33:50 am »
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