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Re: Tipping pitches
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2019, 05:10:00 pm »
You'd think if they were stealing signs in Game 1 it would have done them more good.

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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2019, 05:10:21 pm »
Also, props to Altuve for stealing Sanchez’s passed ball sign.


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Re: Tipping pitches
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2019, 07:22:05 am »
This whole “controversy” is hilarios, and the implication the Astros are cheating is infuriating. Picking up tells on certain pitches is as old as baseball, and getting angry about a whistled signal is so Yankee. The universal way to tell the hitter what is coming after the tip is figured out is “first name fastball, last name curve.” Perhaps a whistle was easier to hear, but there absoluteMy is nothing wrong with this as long as technology is not used in real time. Also nothing wrong with studying video.
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Re: Tipping pitches
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2019, 09:22:36 am »
Eduardo Perez did a great job dismissing this accusation on XM MLB radio this morning.  Spoke about how common it was but really made a point to talk about all of the different ways that a sloppy catcher could be giving away the pitch (leading with the left foot, butt up on a breaking ball, legs too wide on the sign, fingers too low and showing under the leg).  He never mentioned Sanchez by name but wondered if that might have been his insinuation.

His last point was that usually the team that complains the loudest about it is usually paranoid because they are doing it too (maybe less successfully).

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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2019, 09:42:39 am »
Eduardo Perez did a great job dismissing this accusation on XM MLB radio this morning.  Spoke about how common it was but really made a point to talk about all of the different ways that a sloppy catcher could be giving away the pitch (leading with the left foot, butt up on a breaking ball, legs too wide on the sign, fingers too low and showing under the leg).  He never mentioned Sanchez by name but wondered if that might have been his insinuation.

His last point was that usually the team that complains the loudest about it is usually paranoid because they are doing it too (maybe less successfully).

This is the elephant in the room.  Catchers tip pitches far more often than pitchers do. 
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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2019, 10:45:34 am »
Yeah, Perez broke it down nicely on XM this morning. He also pointed out that the Yankees will probably hear a lot of whistling from Astros fans come Game 6...
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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2019, 09:37:24 pm »
Yeah, Perez broke it down nicely on XM this morning. He also pointed out that the Yankees will probably hear a lot of whistling from Astros fans come Game 6...

That is what I thought after I read the article.  There will be people whistling constantly the next time the Yanks come to Houston.
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« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2019, 09:41:14 pm »
That is what I thought after I read the article.  There will be people whistling constantly the next time the Yanks come to Houston.

I see what you did there.
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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2019, 11:20:05 am »
That is what I thought after I read the article.  There will be people whistling constantly the next time the Yanks come to Houston.

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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2019, 03:59:13 pm »
That is what I thought after I read the article.  There will be people whistling constantly the next time the Yanks come to Houston.

That won’t work. The Astros would have to find a new way to signal signs.
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« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2019, 04:13:33 pm »
That won’t work. The Astros would have to find a new way to signal signs.

We'll be at home by then, and can use the super-secret signaling system...or SSSS...so the whistles won't be an issue.
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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2019, 04:38:33 pm »
We'll be at home by then, and can use the super-secret signaling system...or SSSS...so the whistles won't be an issue.

That’s the one with the semaphore flags and hunting horns? Ok then. I guess fans can whistle.
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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2019, 04:54:55 pm »
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2019, 05:08:54 pm »
We've got a giant screen out in RF. Let's just use that.

Too obvious.
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« Reply #54 on: October 20, 2019, 10:43:27 am »
That’s the one with the semaphore flags and hunting horns? Ok then. I guess fans can whistle.

No.  They abandoned that after the Great Shane Reynolds Squeeze Bunt debacle. 
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« Reply #55 on: October 20, 2019, 12:58:56 pm »
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« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2019, 04:01:08 pm »
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« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2019, 04:38:20 pm »
I am guessing that is what Strom was talking to him about between innings.
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« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2019, 04:39:57 pm »
This is the elephant in the room.  Catchers tip pitches far more often than pitchers do.

Saw something on this on MLB network a year or two ago.

Can't remember the catcher,  but they had several clips and showed how for sliders he would widen to prepare to cover ground,  for other pitches his butt was up in the air, etc.

I couldn't believe how obvious it was.  Much less subtle than how high a pitcher's glove is or how many times he wiggles the ball.

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Re: Tipping pitches
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2019, 08:17:21 am »
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Love the rapt attention James is paying to Strom as well as the fatherly oat on the knee at the end. Everything about that is great.
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