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« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2019, 06:22:56 pm »
Saw an article today comparing the Astros alleged whistling  to the Black Sox Scandal. 

Astros hate is strong these days.
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« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2019, 06:35:03 pm »
Saw an article today comparing the Astros alleged whistling  to the Black Sox Scandal. 

Astros hate is strong these days.

Any excellence is hated these days.    That which is good, true, and beautiful is having a hard time in this present age.

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« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2019, 06:49:55 pm »
Any excellence is hated these days.    That which is good, true, and beautiful is having a hard time in this present age.

I agree 100%.  When the Astros were a young, upstart, plucky underdog, they were beloved.  But after a few years it's "alright...enough of this".  I want the Astros to be the team that everyone is tired of seeing in the World Series.
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« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2019, 07:11:55 pm »
I agree 100%.  When the Astros were a young, upstart, plucky underdog, they were beloved.  But after a few years it's "alright...enough of this".  I want the Astros to be the team that everyone is tired of seeing in the World Series.

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« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2019, 07:20:05 pm »
Saw an article today comparing the Astros alleged whistling  to the Black Sox Scandal. 

Astros hate is strong these days.

Good fucking grief.

People are stupid.

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« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2019, 07:30:58 pm »
People are stupid.

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« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2019, 07:54:04 pm »
I trust that you're not just now noticing.

More like a daily affirmation.

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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2019, 09:10:51 pm »
Saw an article today comparing the Astros alleged whistling  to the Black Sox Scandal. 

Astros hate is strong these days.
Where was this article?  Haven't seen this one yet.
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« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2019, 11:31:43 pm »
I agree 100%.  When the Astros were a young, upstart, plucky underdog, they were beloved.  But after a few years it's "alright...enough of this".  I want the Astros to be the team that everyone is tired of seeing in the World Series.

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« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2019, 01:47:45 pm »
I agree 100%.  When the Astros were a young, upstart, plucky underdog, they were beloved.  But after a few years it's "alright...enough of this".  I want the Astros to be the team that everyone is tired of seeing in the World Series.

Total agreement. The article in The Athletic yesterday was vicious.
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« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2019, 09:22:19 am »
Verducci on how Strasburg was tipping his pitches in the first two innings last night, but the Nationals caught and fixed it:

“Stephen, you’re doing it again.”

Menhart didn’t have to show video to Strasburg. The pitcher knew instantly what he was doing to telegraph his pitches. The pitching coach and his pitcher came up with a fix. Strasburg would reach into his glove for his grip, then briefly start flapping his glove at the waist before raising his hands at the set position.

The game flipped right there.

“He told me it was—what is the right word here—just so re-assuring to him,” Menhart said. “It gave him such relief and confidence. He said, ‘I got takes on balls they were hitting before, and they were swinging and missing at balls they were spitting on in the first inning.’ It freed him up.”

Strasburg gave up two runs in the first inning and none thereafter. The Astros went 3-for-22 after Strasburg stopped tipping his pitches. They didn’t know what hit them.
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« Reply #72 on: October 30, 2019, 09:27:44 am »
Verducci on how Strasburg was tipping his pitches in the first two innings last night, but the Nationals caught and fixed it:

“Stephen, you’re doing it again.”

Menhart didn’t have to show video to Strasburg. The pitcher knew instantly what he was doing to telegraph his pitches. The pitching coach and his pitcher came up with a fix. Strasburg would reach into his glove for his grip, then briefly start flapping his glove at the waist before raising his hands at the set position.

The game flipped right there.

Yep, heard that from a buddy at the water cooler this morning.  Too damn bad Altuve's sac fly didn't go out or for a double...or same with Yuli's shot to the wall.  There were more runs to be had that first inning for sure.

“He told me it was—what is the right word here—just so re-assuring to him,” Menhart said. “It gave him such relief and confidence. He said, ‘I got takes on balls they were hitting before, and they were swinging and missing at balls they were spitting on in the first inning.’ It freed him up.”

Strasburg gave up two runs in the first inning and none thereafter. The Astros went 3-for-22 after Strasburg stopped tipping his pitches. They didn’t know what hit them.


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« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2019, 10:22:58 am »
Verducci on how Strasburg was tipping his pitches in the first two innings last night, but the Nationals caught and fixed it:

“Stephen, you’re doing it again.”

Menhart didn’t have to show video to Strasburg. The pitcher knew instantly what he was doing to telegraph his pitches. The pitching coach and his pitcher came up with a fix. Strasburg would reach into his glove for his grip, then briefly start flapping his glove at the waist before raising his hands at the set position.

The game flipped right there.

“He told me it was—what is the right word here—just so re-assuring to him,” Menhart said. “It gave him such relief and confidence. He said, ‘I got takes on balls they were hitting before, and they were swinging and missing at balls they were spitting on in the first inning.’ It freed him up.”

Strasburg gave up two runs in the first inning and none thereafter. The Astros went 3-for-22 after Strasburg stopped tipping his pitches. They didn’t know what hit them.


Interesting perspective on the information gamesmanship.  Clearly, the Astros are talented hitters.  But, if they get skunked when their information is cut off and then fail at the classic "see the ball, hit the ball", it appears that might be a weakness on the team construct or players ability to adapt to any circumstance that presents itself. 
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« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2019, 11:33:04 am »
Interesting perspective on the information gamesmanship.  Clearly, the Astros are talented hitters.  But, if they get skunked when their information is cut off and then fail at the classic "see the ball, hit the ball", it appears that might be a weakness on the team construct or players ability to adapt to any circumstance that presents itself.

There are several players who, IMO, lack emotional self-control in important situations.  All players fall victim to it on occasion.  However the Astros have a few who regularly fall victim to it.  Altuve and Correa appear to me to be the biggest culprits.  Springer seems to have slowly made progress in that area.  That weakness is the separator.
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« Reply #75 on: October 30, 2019, 11:56:29 am »
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« Reply #76 on: October 30, 2019, 12:10:58 pm »
There are several players who, IMO, lack emotional self-control in important situations.  All players fall victim to it on occasion.  However the Astros have a few who regularly fall victim to it.  Altuve and Correa appear to me to be the biggest culprits.  Springer seems to have slowly made progress in that area.  That weakness is the separator.

So true. Contact Altuve’s patient approach against Chapman in Game 6 with his abysmal AB in the 5th last night. What changes in him?
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« Reply #77 on: October 30, 2019, 06:20:28 pm »
So true. Contact Altuve’s patient approach against Chapman in Game 6 with his abysmal AB in the 5th last night. What changes in him?

It's so confusing. For most of this postseason he's really been quite patient, especially for him. But last night was a terrible regression.
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« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2019, 05:35:11 am »
Insightful commentary.

In fairness, it makes more sense than some posts that we see.
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« Reply #79 on: October 31, 2019, 01:50:29 pm »
Verducci on how Strasburg was tipping his pitches in the first two innings last night, but the Nationals caught and fixed it:

“Stephen, you’re doing it again.”

Menhart didn’t have to show video to Strasburg. The pitcher knew instantly what he was doing to telegraph his pitches. The pitching coach and his pitcher came up with a fix. Strasburg would reach into his glove for his grip, then briefly start flapping his glove at the waist before raising his hands at the set position.

The game flipped right there.

“He told me it was—what is the right word here—just so re-assuring to him,” Menhart said. “It gave him such relief and confidence. He said, ‘I got takes on balls they were hitting before, and they were swinging and missing at balls they were spitting on in the first inning.’ It freed him up.”

Strasburg gave up two runs in the first inning and none thereafter. The Astros went 3-for-22 after Strasburg stopped tipping his pitches. They didn’t know what hit them.


This is a load of crap. It really pisses me off when the dumbass fails to mention that Strasburg happens to be a very good pitcher. It's often said that if you ever get to a star starter, you better get to him early. The Astros got a little, but not enough. The 3-22 was pure Strasburg.
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