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JV on short rest
« on: October 08, 2019, 04:35:23 am »
One of my best TZ friends is worried about Hinch’s decision. There is a great article on At Bat which should convince even the most anxious the decision to pitch him is correct, win or lose. One thing I learned while coaching playoff games is to do everything possible to win today and to not hold anything back for an uncertain tomorrow.
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Re: JV on short rest
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2019, 05:38:11 am »
Agreed JV brings a confidence to this team that the others don't, including Cole. 

I think JV wouldn't jeopardize advancing if he wasn't going to be ready.

And finally, I trust Hinch. He's gotten them this far.
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2019, 05:42:07 am »
Agreed JV brings a confidence to this team that the others don't, including Cole. 

I think JV wouldn't jeopardize advancing if he wasn't going to be ready.

And finally, I trust Hinch. He's gotten them this far.

Your second sentence was my response to my friend. JV would speak up if he thought he was not up to a start on short rest.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2019, 07:11:13 am »
I'd rather get whatever we get from JV today and Cole on Thursday then to leave one of those bullets in the chamber.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2019, 07:41:03 am »
I'd rather get whatever we get from JV today and Cole on Thursday then to leave one of those bullets in the chamber.

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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2019, 07:44:31 am »
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2019, 07:47:26 am »
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 07:47:33 am »
Don't play it safe, don't hope that the rookie can get the job done. Go for the jugular.

I love the move, win or lose, it's the winning decision

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2019, 07:57:48 am »
Don't play it safe, don't hope that the rookie can get the job done. Go for the jugular.

I love the move, win or lose, it's the winning decision

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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 08:12:19 am »
I'd rather get whatever we get from JV today and Cole on Thursday then to leave one of those bullets in the chamber.

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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2019, 08:28:11 am »
If the original plan was to have Verlander waiting in relief in case Urquidy exits with a lead, it makes imminent sense to simply start with Verlander anyway when you know you have Cole ready to go on full rest if there has to be a game 5.
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 08:36:03 am »
If the original plan was to have Verlander waiting in relief in case Urquidy exits with a lead, it makes imminent sense to simply start with Verlander anyway when you know you have Cole ready to go on full rest if there has to be a game 5.

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Re: JV on short rest
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 10:42:01 am »
There really is no downside to the move.  Verlander would still be available for either game 1 (on short rest) or game 2 (on normal rest) of a potential ALCS, and it gives you the best chance to avoid an ALDS game 5 that would cause you to lose Cole for ALCS games 1-2 anyway.

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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2019, 10:51:16 am »
What bothers me more than JV going today is the talk about the rotation for the ALCS.  Win today. 

As for me, I'm wearing my orange today, which I do not care for as much as the navy, but this is the shirt I wore on Opening Day when JV beat the Rays.  Frito Pie and Love Street. 
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2019, 10:52:26 am »
What bothers me more than JV going today is the talk about the rotation for the ALCS.  Win today. 

As for me, I'm wearing my orange today, which I do not care for as much as the navy, but this is the shirt I wore on Opening Day when JV beat the Rays.  Frito Pie and Love Street.

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2019, 10:52:33 am »
What bothers me more than JV going today is the talk about the rotation for the ALCS.  Win today. 

As for me, I'm wearing my orange today, which I do not care for as much as the navy, but this is the shirt I wore on Opening Day when JV beat the Rays.  Frito Pie and Love Street. 

I have the Springer jersey and am meeting Neil for frito pie for lunch.
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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2019, 10:53:45 am »
I have the Springer jersey and am meeting Neil for frito pie for lunch.

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2019, 11:13:43 am »
Which location?  I may try to join.

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Re: JV on short rest
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2019, 11:24:35 am »
What bothers me more than JV going today is the talk about the rotation for the ALCS.  Win today. 

I get it.  My only point is that the JV move gives the Astros the luxury of satisfying the immediate need - "win today" - with no strings attached, e.g. the Nationals only getting to start Scherzer once in the NLDS.

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2019, 11:36:56 am »
Yeah, I'm much more concerned about the bullpen moves (bringing in Pressley for no reason in Game 1, bringing in Osuna instead of Harris in the 8th in Game 2) than what they will get out of JV. He's about as solid as they come.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2019, 11:39:14 am »
One of my best TZ friends is worried about Hinch’s decision. There is a great article on At Bat which should convince even the most anxious the decision to pitch him is correct, win or lose. One thing I learned while coaching playoff games is to do everything possible to win today and to not hold anything back for an uncertain tomorrow.

I like the move.  Make the Rays beat Greinke, Verlander and Cole in three consecutive games to win the series. If they do that, tip your cap to them.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2019, 11:40:24 am »
What bothers me more than JV going today is the talk about the rotation for the ALCS.  Win today. 

Completely agree.  Take care of today first, worry about tomorrow later.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2019, 11:41:37 am »
I like the move.  Make the Rays beat Greinke, Verlander and Cole in three consecutive games to win the series. If they do that, tip your cap to them.
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2019, 11:51:41 am »
Avalon on Westheimer at noon.

Not gonna make it.  Noon is too late.  Enjoy.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2019, 11:54:24 am »
Yeah, I'm much more concerned about the bullpen moves (bringing in Pressley for no reason in Game 1, bringing in Osuna instead of Harris in the 8th in Game 2) than what they will get out of JV. He's about as solid as they come.

They didn't bring Pressly in for no reason in Game 1.  He hadn't pitched in week.  He needed the work.
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2019, 01:29:00 pm »
So, I'm seeing all the day after managers saying how JV was "over confident" or too tired and should not have pitched yesterday.  I still stand by the decision.   

Partly, I'm just sick of people who rarely watch the games start commenting on them now.  It's getting on my nerves today.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2019, 01:31:38 pm »
So, I'm seeing all the day after managers saying how JV was "over confident" or too tired and should not have pitched yesterday.  I still stand by the decision.   

Partly, I'm just sick of people who rarely watch the games start commenting on them now.  It's getting on my nerves today.

Verlander wasn't the problem yesterday. The offense needs to score runs.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2019, 01:40:06 pm »
So, I'm seeing all the day after managers saying how JV was "over confident" or too tired and should not have pitched yesterday.  I still stand by the decision.   

Partly, I'm just sick of people who rarely watch the games start commenting on them now.  It's getting on my nerves today.

Like 25,000 of the fans in the stadium yesterday?
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2019, 02:03:27 pm »
So, I'm seeing all the day after managers saying how JV was "over confident" or too tired and should not have pitched yesterday.  I still stand by the decision.   

Partly, I'm just sick of people who rarely watch the games start commenting on them now.  It's getting on my nerves today.
I also stand by the decision. Just because something didn't work, doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. Just because something works doesn't mean it was the right decision. Make them beat Verlander and Cole in back to back games. They beat Verlander, now they have to face a rested Gerrit Cole at home, I feel good with that.

Unless Verlander was going to throw a complete game shut out, it wouldn't have mattered anyway because the bats couldn't get the job done.

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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2019, 02:07:00 pm »
If you would have told me ahead of time how JV would do last night and given me two choices; a) Verlander on short rest knowing you would give up the four runs, or b) take your chances with Urquidy and the pen, I take option A.  Every.  Single Time.
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« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2019, 02:10:53 pm »
If you would have told me ahead of time how JV would do last night and given me two choices; a) Verlander on short rest knowing you would give up the four runs, or b) take your chances with Urquidy and the pen, I take option A.  Every.  Single Time.

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« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2019, 02:37:48 pm »
Exactly!!!!  On all points.

Thanks for verifying that I am acquainted with people that know not what they are speaking.
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« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2019, 03:25:09 pm »
If you would have told me ahead of time how JV would do last night and given me two choices; a) Verlander on short rest knowing you would give up the four runs, or b) take your chances with Urquidy and the pen, I take option A.  Every.  Single Time.

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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2019, 04:52:31 pm »
If you would have told me ahead of time how JV would do last night and given me two choices; a) Verlander on short rest knowing you would give up the four runs, or b) take your chances with Urquidy and the pen, I take option A.  Every.  Single Time.

This right here.

In fact, if you told anyone before the series began that we'd start Verlander in Game 1, Cole in Game 2, and Grienke in Game 3, then cobble together enough pitching to allow four runs in Game 4, they'd take that.

And, as noted, short of JV giving up zero runs, they can't win when the offense shuts down.

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« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2019, 05:44:29 pm »
This right here.

In fact, if you told anyone before the series began that we'd start Verlander in Game 1, Cole in Game 2, and Grienke in Game 3, then cobble together enough pitching to allow four runs in Game 4, they'd take that.

And, as noted, short of JV giving up zero runs, they can't win when the offense shuts down.

Anyone pinning the loss on JV/the pitching decisions is borderline brain dead.

The offense was an absolute no-show again until the 8th inning. You can't expect to win every game 1-0.
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