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Miley's Last Chance
« on: September 26, 2019, 10:07:31 am »
Wade's last start of the regular season might be his last start of the year. Can he and Strom fix whatever it is that has made him so ineffectual over his last four starts? If not, he probably won't be on the 25 man roster next week.

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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2019, 11:12:17 am »
if that happens who replaces him.  this is almost shocking  from where he was earlier this year
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2019, 11:23:08 am »
if that happens who replaces him.  this is almost shocking  from where he was earlier this year
Possibly Urquidy, but I'm hoping that Miley pitches well for this last regular season start.

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2019, 01:33:40 pm »
Urquidy seems to be the only choice.

But it would likely be a heavy bullpen day.

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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2019, 01:46:48 pm »
Personally, I'm betting Miley makes the ALDS roster regardless of what happens tonight.  You have to figure that even with his recent struggles his upside is much better than Urquidy's, and both of their downsides are probably roughly equivalent.

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2019, 01:50:01 pm »
They'll carry 11 pitchers for the ALDS

I assume the following are locks (barring the unforeseen or unimaginable, with all humble deference to the BBGs):

1. Verlander
2. Cole
3. Grienke
4. Osuna
5. Pressley
6. Smith
7. Peacock

Likely additions:
8. Urquidy (either as a game 4 starter or Miley insurance)
9. Smith
9. Miley

Fighting for the last two spots:

10. Rondon
11. James
12. Devo
13. Abreu
14. Framber/Cionel (seems unlikely, but Miley's the only other southpaw). 

As Waldo says, Miley probably makes it regardless and I'd like to see Abreu, but I happily recognize that I don't know shit.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2019, 01:50:30 pm »
Personally, I'm betting Miley makes the ALDS roster regardless of what happens tonight.  You have to figure that even with his recent struggles his upside is much better than Urquidy's, and both of their downsides are probably roughly equivalent.

It's entirely possible that Miley makes the roster, but will be used in the pen, not as a starter.  I have a hard time trusting him to start a game.
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2019, 01:51:28 pm »
They'll carry 11 pitchers for the ALDS

I assume the following are locks (barring the unforeseen or unimaginable, with all humble deference to the BBGs):

1. Verlander
2. Cole
3. Grienke
4. Osuna
5. Pressley
6. Smith
7. Peacock

Likely additions:
8. Urquidy (either as a game 4 starter or Miley insurance)
9. Smith

Fighting for the last two spots:
10. Miley
11. Rondon
12. James
13. Devo
14. Abreu
15. Framber/Cionel (seems unlikely, but Miley's the only other southpaw). 

As Waldo says, Miley probably makes it regardless and I'd like to see Abreu, but I happily recognize that I don't know shit.

You have Smith in there twice.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2019, 02:06:27 pm »
You have Smith in there twice.

That certainly opens up an opportunity for someone.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2019, 02:51:25 pm »
You have Smith in there twice.
He meant Harris the first time.
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2019, 02:56:22 pm »
He meant Harris the first time.

You're right.  I'll try this again:


I assume the following are locks (barring the unforeseen or unimaginable, with all humble deference to the BBGs):

1. Verlander
2. Cole
3. Grienke
4. Osuna
5. Pressley
6. Harris
7. Peacock

Likely additions:

8. Urquidy (either as a game 4 starter or Miley insurance)
9. Smith

Fighting for the last two spots:

10. Miley
11. Rondon
12. James
13. Devo
14. Abreu
15. Framber/Cionel (seems unlikely, but Miley's the only other southpaw). 

My baseless prediction is that Miley and Abreu get the last two slots.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2019, 03:00:58 pm »
I think James is damn close to a lock.  Don't ask me why I think that, I just do.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2019, 03:22:46 pm »
I think James is damn close to a lock.  Don't ask me why I think that, I just do.

I'd take James and Devo.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2019, 03:33:39 pm »
You're right.  I'll try this again:


I assume the following are locks (barring the unforeseen or unimaginable, with all humble deference to the BBGs):

1. Verlander
2. Cole
3. Grienke
4. Osuna
5. Pressley
6. Harris
7. Peacock

Likely additions:

8. Urquidy (either as a game 4 starter or Miley insurance)
9. Smith

Fighting for the last two spots:

10. Miley
11. Rondon
12. James
13. Devo
14. Abreu
15. Framber/Cionel (seems unlikely, but Miley's the only other southpaw). 

My baseless prediction is that Miley and Abreu get the last two slots.
Is Peacock a lock? He's only pitched once since coming back

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2019, 03:38:19 pm »
Is Peacock a lock? He's only pitched once since coming back

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From what I've read, if he's healthy, he's in.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2019, 04:48:10 pm »
I have a hard time imagining James not being in that group. Sometimes you need a power arm.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2019, 05:26:51 pm »
I have a hard time imagining James not being in that group. Sometimes you need a power arm.

Agree here.  Especially since he's looked good in his last 4 games (4.0 IP, 8K's, 3H, 2BB's 0ER) since the blowup inning against Oakland on the 11th.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2019, 06:32:32 pm »
I'd take James and Devo.

I'd take James before Devo. The Astros seem to like James velocity out of the pen.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2019, 06:34:08 pm »
It's entirely possible that Miley makes the roster, but will be used in the pen, not as a starter.  I have a hard time trusting him to start a game.

Why would you trust him in a tight game out of the pen which he is not accustomed to?
My 2 cents is that he starts or he sits at home.

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2019, 06:55:18 pm »
Working with a split squad lineup behind him tonight.
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2019, 09:48:18 pm »
Why would you trust him in a tight game out of the pen which he is not accustomed to?
My 2 cents is that he starts or he sits at home.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2019, 08:50:21 am »
Why would you trust him in a tight game out of the pen which he is not accustomed to?
My 2 cents is that he starts or he sits at home.

I wouldn't.  I wouldn't have him in the postseason roster.  But the Astro don't always listen to me.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2019, 09:11:37 am »
I wouldn't.  I wouldn't have him in the postseason roster.  But the Astro don't always listen to me.

Yesterday's outing was especially bothersome and maddening when it comes to the postseason roster decision.  He pitched tentatively and go hit hard then buckled down the 2nd two innings but still looked mediocre with long counts and not really fooling anyone.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2019, 11:54:13 pm »
Urquidy’s excellent start tonight certainly doesn’t make Hinch’s choice any easier. Or maybe it does.

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2019, 10:11:22 am »
Urquidy’s excellent start tonight certainly doesn’t make Hinch’s choice any easier. Or maybe it does.

I believe it does.

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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2019, 10:23:13 am »
Urquidy’s excellent start tonight certainly doesn’t make Hinch’s choice any easier. Or maybe it does.

I think it became much easier. If Miley showed any sign of getting outs, it would be different.

It really sucks because Miley was such a pleasant surprise all season.


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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2019, 10:25:52 am »
I think it became much easier. If Miley showed any sign of getting outs, it would be different.

It really sucks because Miley was such a pleasant surprise all season.


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I feel bad for Miley. Most of the season he looked like a solid #3 and then when Greinke came he really looked solid in the #4. But,
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2019, 11:04:07 am »
It must have been hard for Miley to watch last night's game and see his chances for a playoff roster spot evaporate. Urquidy's performance last night slammed the door on Miley. It is sad to see his season end. Also, he was cruising toward a juicy contract next year and that looks unlikely now. 
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2019, 11:38:23 am »
any definitive answer why the change?
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2019, 12:27:25 pm »
any definitive answer why the change?
I think at this point, his confidence is shot and once the confidence is gone, you're done

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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2019, 12:52:06 pm »
I think at this point, his confidence is shot and once the confidence is gone, you're done

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This seems most likely.

Before the collapse Sparks commented that for guys like Miley it can be tough to put guys away with 2 strikes.   "Hard to get them living on the edges" or something like that.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2019, 01:01:56 pm »
This seems most likely.

Before the collapse Sparks commented that for guys like Miley it can be tough to put guys away with 2 strikes.   "Hard to get them living on the edges" or something line- that.

Miley is one of those guys that, when he's good, he lets guys get themselves out.

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2019, 01:39:59 pm »
This seems most likely.

Before the collapse Sparks commented that for guys like Miley it can be tough to put guys away with 2 strikes.   "Hard to get them living on the edges" or something like that.

Dallas Keuchel is perilously close to being like Miley. I noticed that Keuchel is 8-8 3.75 going into his next start. I don't know how big of a contract Keuchel & Co. will be expecting for this year's effort.
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2019, 02:52:03 pm »
About ten times what he will eventually get.
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2019, 04:33:42 pm »
I think at this point, his confidence is shot and once the confidence is gone, you're done

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I don’t think it’s just trusting his stuff. These guys have been teeing off like they know what’s coming.


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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2019, 05:04:42 pm »
I don’t think it’s just trusting his stuff. These guys have been teeing off like they know what’s coming.

I know. He said he reviewed film and did not think he was tipping pitches. Sure seems like it though.
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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2019, 05:30:18 pm »
I know. He said he reviewed film and did not think he was tipping pitches. Sure seems like it though.

There's tipping and there's also recognizing it out of the hand.

Thursday the 2 rbi hit  came after the batter fouled off several 2 strike pitches and Wade let one leak over the plate.

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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2019, 05:50:51 pm »
I don’t think it’s just trusting his stuff. These guys have been teeing off like they know what’s coming.


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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2019, 06:39:24 pm »
If Strom can't fix it, it can't be fixed.
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