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Re: Choose Wisely
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2019, 07:41:53 pm »
An extra $20-30 million...every little bit helps feed the family.
We certainly don't want anyone to go hungry.
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2019, 05:28:59 am »
The Astros are going to offer Cole a shorter term deal, something like 3 years at $100MM. They're pretty sure he's going to take a longer deal, though, but they will make a not unreasonable offer.

He might take it to stay and keep the JV/Cole/Greinke staff together.
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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2019, 10:29:59 am »
Great to hear that the Astros are going to make a reasonable offer. He can make $100MM over the next three years and earn it with the best teammates he will ever have and be backed by the best combination of offense and defense in baseball. No doubt he will get much better offers. As a practical matter, how much difference would an extra $100MM make in his day to day life or does the notoriety of breaking the bank overwhelm all other considerations?

An extra $20-30mil feeds quite a few future generations of Cole’s 

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Re: Choose Wisely
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2019, 11:40:45 am »
An extra $20-30mil feeds quite a few future generations of Cole’s

Room to compromise at four if he tells Boras he wants to stay.
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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2019, 12:19:46 pm »
He might take it to stay and keep the JV/Cole/Greinke staff together.

I've been watching Cole a lot during the games. The way he interacts with his teammates and coaches. In addition to becoming a better pitcher I have to think he's having the time of his life. And the fan reaction, compared to the atmosphere in Pittsburg, has to be very uplifting. And, as far as I know, Houston has wine and the Hill Country vinyards aren't that far away.

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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2019, 01:43:21 pm »
It appears that Verlander and Cole are very close at least professionally. Verlander uses every opportunity to tell anybody who will listen how great the Houston organization is. I am guessing that he is doing some heavy duty lobbying with Cole to convince him to stay.
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« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2019, 02:27:43 pm »
The Astros are going to offer Cole a shorter term deal, something like 3 years at $100MM. They're pretty sure he's going to take a longer deal, though, but they will make a not unreasonable offer.

I don't think it's much of stretch to believe the Angels will offer 6 years and $200 mil.
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« Reply #47 on: October 01, 2019, 02:35:06 pm »
I don't think it's much of stretch to believe the Angels will offer 6 years and $200 mil.

I expect them to offer more and I would consider it insane for him to turn it down. I mean, a hundred million dollars or whatever the difference works out to be? That is a tremendous amount of money.
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« Reply #48 on: October 01, 2019, 02:38:31 pm »
I expect them to offer more and I would consider it insane for him to turn it down. I mean, a hundred million dollars or whatever the difference works out to be? That is a tremendous amount of money.

No doubt.  I was thinking as much as anything about the insanity of offering such a deal.  They need multiple pitchers. Not just one. That contract would put them on the hook for so much money over just 4 players I can't imagine how they'd put together much more a team.
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« Reply #49 on: October 01, 2019, 02:50:43 pm »
No doubt.  I was thinking as much as anything about the insanity of offering such a deal.  They need multiple pitchers. Not just one. That contract would put them on the hook for so much money over just 4 players I can't imagine how they'd put together much more a team.

That would break my heart.
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« Reply #50 on: October 01, 2019, 03:12:45 pm »
I don't think it's much of stretch to believe the Angels will offer 6 years and $200 mil.

They're going to back the money truck up to Joe Maddon's driveway too.

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« Reply #51 on: October 01, 2019, 03:14:57 pm »
That would break my heart.

If that happened, next year over just Pujols, Upton, Trout, and Cole their payroll would be nearly $120mil.

Simmons, Cozart, and Calhoun are about another $38mil.  And they'd still have to pay another 18 players.

If the Astros sign Cole for similar numbers they might be in the same boat though.
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« Reply #52 on: October 01, 2019, 03:15:28 pm »
They're going to back the money truck up to Joe Maddon's driveway too.

But that money isn't attached to the luxury tax, right?
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« Reply #53 on: October 01, 2019, 03:18:21 pm »
Everyone laughs at the Orioles and rightly so, but the Angels are an absolute mess. They're going to come out of this with the best player in baseball and one of the top five starting pitchers in baseball and they're going to do well to get to .500.
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« Reply #54 on: October 01, 2019, 03:26:57 pm »
But that money isn't attached to the luxury tax, right?

I believe that's right.   They're gonna try to money-whip themselves into contention.
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« Reply #55 on: October 01, 2019, 03:58:17 pm »
How much is Otani going to cost them? I guess, relatively, it will be small potatoes.
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« Reply #56 on: October 01, 2019, 04:17:07 pm »
How much is Otani going to cost them? I guess, relatively, it will be small potatoes.


Currently he's making $650K.
They paid a $2.3M signing bonus and a $20M fee to his Japanese team.

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« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2019, 04:52:37 pm »

Currently he's making $650K.
They paid a $2.3M signing bonus and a $20M fee to his Japanese team.
I could be wrong but I don't think his Japanese team got anything because he was out of contract

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« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2019, 06:38:54 pm »
I could be wrong but I don't think his Japanese team got anything because he was out of contract

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« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2019, 07:14:30 pm »
I'm pretty sure the Angels had to pay the $20MM "posting fee".
Looked it up and you are right, I misremembered the situation. I thought that the only reason he was able to come over so young was that he let his contract run out and avoid the posting but that is simply wrong.

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