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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2019, 06:01:17 pm »
The Astros will never give a pitcher than many years...I think.

I agree as a general principle but think Cole might be the exception given his age and track record. But I would still be pleasantly shocked if they worked out a deal along those lines.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2019, 06:33:51 pm »
I agree as a general principle but think Cole might be the exception given his age and track record. But I would still be pleasantly shocked if they worked out a deal along those lines.

I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2019, 11:48:45 pm »
I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.

One has to think that 15 dollar beers and real cheese on nachos can pay for that luxury tax hit if the team keeps on rolling.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2019, 08:25:08 am »
One has to think that 15 dollar beers and real cheese on nachos can pay for that luxury tax hit if the team keeps on rolling.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2019, 08:36:28 am »
I could see the Astros doing 4 years guaranteed with 3 years of options... but I would still question how they are going to fit another $30MM+ into the payroll and not pay luxury tax.

Maybe the luxury tax is unavoidable if they want to keep enough guys around while this window is open.  Remember that their 2020 payroll is already halfway there with only four players (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman).

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #65 on: September 11, 2019, 09:46:18 am »
Maybe the luxury tax is unavoidable if they want to keep enough guys around while this window is open.  Remember that their 2020 payroll is already halfway there with only four players (Verlander, Greinke, Altuve, Bregman).

I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #66 on: September 11, 2019, 09:49:15 am »
I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.

Also this.  Red Sox, Cubs, and Yankees are well over the threshold, Dodgers are just under it.  Even if you spend money wisely it will be hard to keep pace without going into the luxury tax.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #67 on: September 11, 2019, 09:51:44 am »
I'd venture to say being subject to the luxury tax is a requirement, because the other teams are doing it.

The Astros under Lunhow represent the antithesis of a team that follows any trend. They are trendsetters.

There are draft penalties included in the competitive balance agreement that would probably outweigh any money concerns.

Plus, Lunhow is on record multiple times saying they would not exceed the limit that creates a penalty.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #68 on: September 11, 2019, 10:08:24 am »
The Astros under Lunhow represent the antithesis of a team that follows any trend. They are trendsetters.

There are draft penalties included in the competitive balance agreement that would probably outweigh any money concerns.

Plus, Lunhow is on record multiple times saying they would not exceed the limit that creates a penalty.

Circumstances change, as the acquisitions of JV and Greinke and the extensions for JV, Altuve, and Bregman prove without a doubt.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #69 on: September 11, 2019, 10:18:21 am »
Circumstances change, as the acquisitions of JV and Greinke and the extensions for JV, Altuve, and Bregman prove without a doubt.

Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #70 on: September 11, 2019, 10:27:03 am »
Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.

Th owner seems hellbent on contuining to win, and is putting his pocketbook where his mouth is. I'm with him.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #71 on: September 11, 2019, 10:28:21 am »
Of course Springer will probably be addressed this off-season as well.

Yep, and Luhnow wants to win as much as possible while the window is open. Cole keeps it open, but 6-7 years are too many.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #72 on: September 11, 2019, 10:30:34 am »
Th owner seems hellbent on contuining to win, and is putting his pocketbook where his mouth is. I'm with him.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #73 on: September 11, 2019, 10:47:30 am »
I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

Right, but as Jim said, circumstances can indeed change.  We also know this front office rarely tips their hand.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #74 on: September 11, 2019, 10:49:14 am »
I'm pretty sure I've heard Crane say the Luxury Tax thing is a priority. Staying under it, of course.

He wasn’t going to take on Greinke money either until he did. Nothing said earlier matters now.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2019, 11:21:11 am »
He wasn’t going to take on Greinke money either until he did. Nothing said earlier matters now.

Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2019, 11:44:54 am »
Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

The point is that nothing they say is binding on their future decisions. I think it’s unlikely they go over the salary cap, but the statements themselves don’t mean much.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2019, 11:51:16 am »
Except that I've heard him say it since Greinke was acquired.

Did not realize y’all talked. I have not read anything like that, but it does not matter. Nothing said before the next decision matters.
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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2019, 01:26:12 pm »
When it comes to the Luxury Tax, the new CBA coming down the pike might change things. Who knows what the tax might be or what the penalties for going over are, or if the players manage to get rid of it. I feel like baseball will be pretty different after the next CBA goes into effect, for better or worse.

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Re: Shocker: RS @ 76-67 after loss to Yanks, Dombrowski is gone!
« Reply #79 on: September 11, 2019, 02:56:18 pm »
Did not realize y’all talked. I have not read anything like that, but it does not matter. Nothing said before the next decision matters.
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