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Interesting headline from last night's post game interview.

What's up with that?  It appears to have made the reporter the "victim".

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Interesting headline from last night's post game interview.

What's up with that?  It appears to have made the reporter the "victim".

In terms of what happened last night, the reporter WAS the victim.  The question is whether the snub was justified.  I'm guessing it was.
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The question is whether the snub was justified.  I'm guessing it was.

Right, Verlander probably has a very good reason for not wanting to be around the guy. But that doesn't mean the Astros can violate the contract between MLB and the BBWAA to exclude a credentialed reporter from the clubhouse.

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In terms of what happened last night, the reporter WAS the victim.  The question is whether the snub was justified.  I'm guessing it was.

It by rule cannot be.
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It by rule cannot be.

Yep.  The CBA specifically says that credentialed media members and members of the BBWAA cannot be denied access to the clubhouse.  The Astros will get disciplined for this.  Perhaps it's worth it to them though.
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Yep.  The CBA specifically says that credentialed media members and members of the BBWAA cannot be denied access to the clubhouse.  The Astros will get disciplined for this.  Perhaps it's worth it to them though.

They had to know, before they did this that they would face a fine or something and did it anyway

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They had to know, before they did this that they would face a fine or something and did it anyway

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Yep.  Better to keep JV gruntled and deal with some fallout.

Hopefully this goes away quickly.   Dog day slideshows aren't needed.

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I love that it appears that the team took one for their player. Also, completely bush league for the paper to not return the repeated calls by the Astros front office leading up.
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Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2019, 06:07:48 pm »
Bush league is as bush league does. Great to see the front office backing Verlander.
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Bush league is as bush league does. Great to see the front office backing Verlander.

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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2019, 06:36:22 pm »
The Detroit reporter is obviously a cocksucker.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2019, 06:38:53 pm »
The Detroit reporter is obviously a cocksucker.

Speaking of cork soakers, you caught any more fish?
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2019, 06:42:00 pm »
Speaking of cork soakers, you caught any more fish?

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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2019, 07:12:47 pm »
I had a maiden voyage of surf fishing at the new crib the other day and it was a resounding failure. Perfect time, perfect tide, nothing.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2019, 07:14:01 pm »
I had a maiden voyage of surf fishing at the new crib the other day and it was a resounding failure. Perfect time, perfect tide, nothing.

Did you hire Neil as your guide?
The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2019, 07:15:24 pm »
Did you hire Neil as your guide?

Good idea, I should invite him, he'd be right at home.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2019, 07:28:40 pm »
Speaking of cork soakers, you caught any more fish?
Because the Astros lost yesterday, I did not fish today.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2019, 07:37:25 pm »
I had a maiden voyage of surf fishing at the new crib the other day and it was a resounding failure. Perfect time, perfect tide, nothing.
Do people catch fish there or nearby ordinarily? I've never had any luck surf fishing. Well, except once when I was about 14 and surfing near the old Flagship Hotel with my brother and a couple of my cousins and I saw a hunk of Styrofoam floating attached to a stringer of 5 or 6 speckled trout that I was able to snag.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2019, 07:41:11 pm »
Do people catch fish there or nearby ordinarily? I've never had any luck surf fishing. Well, except once when I was about 14 and surfing near the old Flagship Hotel with my brother and a couple of my cousins and I saw a hunk of Styrofoam floating attached to a stringer of 5 or 6 speckled trout that I was able to snag.

I grew up surf fishing all the time.  Some days you got skunked, but generally had good luck. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2019, 07:45:18 pm »
Do people catch fish there or nearby ordinarily? I've never had any luck surf fishing. Well, except once when I was about 14 and surfing near the old Flagship Hotel with my brother and a couple of my cousins and I saw a hunk of Styrofoam floating attached to a stringer of 5 or 6 speckled trout that I was able to snag.

The best surf (not bay) wade fishing is during the June/July/etc doldrums when the surf waves suck ass and you get some green water.  The converse is true as well.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2019, 08:17:58 pm »
I had a maiden voyage of surf fishing at the new crib the other day and it was a resounding failure. Perfect time, perfect tide, nothing.

That's all very well, but someone needs to tell the fish that the time and tides are perfect...
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2019, 08:44:56 pm »
I have no idea if people catch fish in the surf here. I rarely see people fishing in the surf. A few people have told me that they do and have success, but I've never seen it.

I have had very minor success on other beaches around here, but I've never really paid any attention to the time and tides. The place where we are is directly in front of a large rock formation that you can walk on during low tide and gets covered up more or less at high tide. The beach to the left has fewer waves, smaller, less frequent waves, and I decided to fish there. There's quite a current sweeping from the rocks to the left, I could feel it in the rods, and I have noticed it swimming out there, and it could be that there just simply aren't any bait fish in that current so close to the rocks.

I'll try the other side of the rock formation later. I'll also walk farther down the beach; there's a small river that empties into the ocean maybe a third of a mile down the beach, and I imagine the fishing is better down there. I'll also experiment with different rigs.
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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2019, 06:07:42 am »
Do people catch fish there or nearby ordinarily? I've never had any luck surf fishing. Well, except once when I was about 14 and surfing near the old Flagship Hotel with my brother and a couple of my cousins and I saw a hunk of Styrofoam floating attached to a stringer of 5 or 6 speckled trout that I was able to snag.

We used to catch specks and the occasional red from the beach out on the west end, around 13-mile road. Was a day-long kind of thing and typically mid-summer like Lefty mentioned.
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2019, 07:30:07 am »
I have no idea if people catch fish in the surf here. I rarely see people fishing in the surf. A few people have told me that they do and have success, but I've never seen it.

I have had very minor success on other beaches around here, but I've never really paid any attention to the time and tides. The place where we are is directly in front of a large rock formation that you can walk on during low tide and gets covered up more or less at high tide. The beach to the left has fewer waves, smaller, less frequent waves, and I decided to fish there. There's quite a current sweeping from the rocks to the left, I could feel it in the rods, and I have noticed it swimming out there, and it could be that there just simply aren't any bait fish in that current so close to the rocks.

I'll try the other side of the rock formation later. I'll also walk farther down the beach; there's a small river that empties into the ocean maybe a third of a mile down the beach, and I imagine the fishing is better down there. I'll also experiment with different rigs.

It isn’t a very good sign if there are few fishermen, you tend to see fishermen if there is any prospect of catching something.  In fact, you often see fishermen trying their luck when there are fuck all fish around.

A few years ago, I started using an app with forecasts for optimum bite times based on tides, solar and lunar data.  It isn’t perfect but it is a reasonable predictor when you factor in local conditions.  After using the app for a few months, I was so impressed I lashed out and spent 5 bucks on the ad free version.

Shore based fishing is generally less productive than boat fishing but at least you don’t have to worry about having too many beers and falling overboard.
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2019, 07:36:18 am »
...but at least you don’t have to worry about having too many beers and falling overboard.

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2019, 09:30:48 am »
I've seen a lot of reporters sharing this story and their thoughts on it. Still waiting to see one dig to find out what the actual beef was.
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2019, 09:46:59 am »
I've seen a lot of reporters sharing this story and their thoughts on it. Still waiting to see one dig to find out what the actual beef was.

The AstrosCounty dude is wondering if Verlander just lost the CY the other night.

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« Reply #27 on: August 23, 2019, 09:49:46 am »
The AstrosCounty dude is wondering if Verlander just lost the CY the other night.

Possible.

The dinger issue,  splitting votes with Cole, now this.

But if his last 2 starts are any indication he's poised to make a strong case.

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« Reply #28 on: August 23, 2019, 09:56:41 am »
The AstrosCounty dude is wondering if Verlander just lost the CY the other night.

Shit, I bet that's right.

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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2019, 12:52:34 pm »
I've seen a lot of reporters sharing this story and their thoughts on it. Still waiting to see one dig to find out what the actual beef was.

Vague description from this Athletic story: "Verlander tweeted that his issue with Fenech stemmed from “his unethical behavior in the past,” which is believed to be an innocuous conversation the veteran righty was having that Fenech used as Twitter fodder. Verlander felt it was eavesdropping, not reporting. Fenech, who has been the Tigers beat writer since 2015, clearly felt otherwise. Several smaller incidents over the years kept the relationship strained, and it’s unclear if that incident — from several years ago — or something else was what ultimately set things off."

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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2019, 01:25:20 pm »
Fenech also reported that the Astros had offered Bregman for Michael Fulmer at the 2017 deadline, something that no one else seems to have known of or can make any sense of.
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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2019, 01:44:27 pm »
Between calling out MLB about baseball and now this.  Verlander has decided he isn't going to just go along with the norm and he is willing to pay the price.  I think he probably cost himself some Cy Young votes and maybe some 1st ballot HOF votes with this event but that just confirms the immaturity of the BBWA .  They want him to treat them well regardless of treatment but they won't return the favor. 
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2019, 01:53:23 pm »
Fenech also reported that the Astros had offered Bregman for Michael Fulmer at the 2017 deadline, something that no one else seems to have known of or can make any sense of.

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« Reply #33 on: August 23, 2019, 01:54:57 pm »
Fenech also reported that the Astros had offered Bregman for Michael Fulmer at the 2017 deadline, something that no one else seems to have known of or can make any sense of.

I did a double take here because I thought he must have said 2016 deadline. Nope! Batshit.

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« Reply #34 on: August 23, 2019, 01:56:43 pm »
Fenech also reported that the Astros had offered Bregman for Michael Fulmer at the 2017 deadline, something that no one else seems to have known of or can make any sense of.
I didn't, and don't believe this for a second. Astros wouldn't trade Bregman for Sale, wouldn't trade Tucker for Verlander but offered Bregman for Fulmer? No chance.

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« Reply #35 on: August 23, 2019, 02:02:07 pm »
Vague description from this Athletic story: "Verlander tweeted that his issue with Fenech stemmed from “his unethical behavior in the past,” which is believed to be an innocuous conversation the veteran righty was having that Fenech used as Twitter fodder. Verlander felt it was eavesdropping, not reporting. Fenech, who has been the Tigers beat writer since 2015, clearly felt otherwise. Several smaller incidents over the years kept the relationship strained, and it’s unclear if that incident — from several years ago — or something else was what ultimately set things off."

That article is annoying.

She did a nice job of laying out the background,  then stated that none of that mattered because of the CBA. Ok, the CBA was violated.  Got it.  She then proceeds to include anonymous derogatory comments from players about Verlander.  What purpose did that serve?  Why do we get specific insults directed at JV when a bland reassurance that the conversation in question was innocuous is all we got to set the scene?


For the record I didn't like the way the Astros handled it.   I also don't buy the tired lines about writers not being able to do their jobs if they can't get quotes after a particular game. Nor do I buy her definition of an MLB team's PR staff.   That job description is set by, oh I don't know,  the MLB team in question.



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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2019, 08:22:22 pm »
Former Astros beatwriter Evan Drellich chimes in:

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• Barred coaches from speaking w/o permission
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• Kept Gurriel from interview
• Now, Fenech

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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2019, 08:25:49 pm »
Former Astros beatwriter Evan Drellich chimes in:

https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1164909426903527424

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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2019, 08:29:35 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2019, 10:55:51 am »
The Detroit Free Press (sort of) reported on the backstory between Verlander and the reporter:
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2019/08/24/houston-astros-justin-verlander-anthony-fenech-detroit-free-press/2099291001/
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2019, 12:57:55 pm »
Lo! now the direful Verlander, whose skin clings   
To his strong bones, strides o’er the umpire gnomes and cockroach sports writers
He withers all in silence, and in his hand   
Unclothes the earth, and freezes up frail life.

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Re: Verlander addresses refusal to take ??? from Det reporter Anthony French
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2019, 03:02:39 pm »
Between calling out MLB about baseball and now this.  Verlander has decided he isn't going to just go along with the norm and he is willing to pay the price.  I think he probably cost himself some Cy Young votes and maybe some 1st ballot HOF votes with this event but that just confirms the immaturity of the BBWA .  They want him to treat them well regardless of treatment but they won't return the favor.
I bet JV got a few of those bets back today. What a great fucking day for JV and the rest of the team. So happy for Toro too. A bit gobsmacked the Astros have two no hitters this season.
Where the fuck is Toro?