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Off day question
« on: August 08, 2019, 03:00:39 pm »
Yesterday, Mark, HH, Drew Corleone,, and I discussed this question I posed:

Which Astros lineup was the best-1998, 2004, or 2019?

We all agreed. What say you?
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2019, 03:01:52 pm »
2019

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Re: Off day question
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2019, 03:13:42 pm »
2019 and it's not close.

Although once Beltrán showed up that 2004 lineup was pretty salty.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2019, 03:17:35 pm »
2019. Top to bottom, just a nightmare for opposing pitchers.
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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2019, 03:19:54 pm »
2019. 2004 lineup is close.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2019, 04:00:35 pm »
If Yuli and Yordan hit like this, 2019 is light years beyond anything else


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Re: Off day question
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2019, 04:22:31 pm »
Assuming that there's still some sort of social order, 50 years from now a random Houston 12 year old today will be able to say I can name the 2019 Astros lineup top to bottom. This is a historic team.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2019, 04:42:53 pm »
1998 is in the Astrosdome so there is that contextual difference. I still like 2019 better. But I would like to have seen what 1998 could put up in MMP.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2019, 05:37:06 pm »
1998 is in the Astrosdome so there is that contextual difference. I still like 2019 better. But I would like to have seen what 1998 could put up in MMP.

But that was the late years Dome, that wasn’t nearly as hard to hit in as the early days.


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Re: Off day question
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2019, 05:41:02 pm »
But that was the late years Dome, that wasn’t nearly as hard to hit in as the early days.


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Re: Off day question
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2019, 05:57:24 pm »
But that was the late years Dome, that wasn’t nearly as hard to hit in as the early days.


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Re: Off day question
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2019, 06:06:46 pm »
Mo Alou could hit them out of Yellowstone.

True dat. He still may be the best pure fastball right-handed hitter I've ever seen. However, Yuli of late is looking like a competitor at 35.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2019, 06:17:26 pm »
1998 is in the Astrosdome so there is that contextual difference. I still like 2019 better. But I would like to have seen what 1998 could put up in MMP.

I would have liked to have seen that as well. But, agree, 2019 is better.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2019, 06:26:53 pm »
True dat. He still may be the best pure fastball right-handed hitter I've ever seen. However, Yuli of late is looking like a competitor at 35.

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Re: Off day question
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2019, 09:16:20 pm »
Ball is about to hit him in the chin. Pull those hands in. Boom! Upper deck!

I think that I vaguely remember seeing that one. Who was the best pure hitter you've ever seen? I'm too young to have seen Teddy Ballgame, and by the time I got interested in baseball, Mickey Mantle was trying to hit with one knee. For me, Barry Bonds was the best overall hitter.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2019, 10:07:52 pm »
I think that I vaguely remember seeing that one. Who was the best pure hitter you've ever seen? I'm too young to have seen Teddy Ballgame, and by the time I got interested in baseball, Mickey Mantle was trying to hit with one knee. For me, Barry Bonds was the best overall hitter.

Two best hitters I have seen:

Ted Williams
Barry Bonds
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2019, 10:37:56 pm »
Two best hitters I have seen:

Ted Williams
Barry Bonds

As much as I hate to say it, Pujols was right there with them.


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Re: Off day question
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2019, 10:50:04 pm »
As much as I hate to say it, Pujols was right there with them.


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The stats say otherwise. Pujols only drew more than 100 walks three times in his career to date. Conversely, Barry Bonds garnered 14 seasons of more than 100 walks, leading the league 11 times. He led the league in walks during his age 42 season. He hit .362 in his age 39 year. Pujols is great and a first ballot HOFer, but Barry Bonds was a far superior hitter. Pitchers intenionally walked Bonds with no one on base. I saw it happen in SFO. I never saw Pujols given that level of respect.
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Re: Off day question
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2019, 11:01:37 pm »
The stats say otherwise. Pujols only drew more than 100 walks three times in his career to date. Conversely, Barry Bonds garnered 14 seasons of more than 100 walks, leading the league 11 times. He led the league in walks during his age 42 season. He hit .362 in his age 39 year. Pujols is great and a first ballot HOFer, but Barry Bonds was a far superior hitter. Pitchers intenionally walked Bonds with no one on base. I saw it happen in SFO. I never saw Pujols given that level of respect.

He was walked with the bases loaded, too.

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Re: Off day question
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2019, 02:32:11 am »
I think that I vaguely remember seeing that one. Who was the best pure hitter you've ever seen? I'm too young to have seen Teddy Ballgame, and by the time I got interested in baseball, Mickey Mantle was trying to hit with one knee. For me, Barry Bonds was the best overall hitter.

I agree.  I have never seen a hitter so locked in as Bonds was in 2001. Pitchers couldn't make a mistake. Ever.