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Likely a dumb question. Asking cause I don't know - wondering who might know...
Depending on the nature of the malady and with as extensive precautions as possible, are players on the IL ever traded?
Would a team allow a physical by another team on a player on the IL as a possible prelude to a trade?
Don't want another Aiken, but his price may be cheaper.

(Changed link to OWA thread.)

doyce7 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 16, 2019, 08:09:29 am »

Quote from: Snuffy on July 16, 2019, 07:21:55 am

Likely a dumb question. Asking cause I don't know - wondering who might know...
Depending on the nature of the malady and with as extensive precautions as possible, are players on the IL ever traded?
Would a team allow a physical by another team on a player on the IL as a possible prelude to a trade?
Don't want another Aiken, but his price may be cheaper.

(Changed link to OWA thread.)

This type of thing came up last year with the Josh Donaldson trade https://sports.yahoo.com/report-mlb-clubs-unhappy-josh-donaldson-trade-191250879.html

Players on the IL are not allowed to be traded, I think.

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Snuffy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 16, 2019, 08:28:43 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 16, 2019, 08:09:29 am

This type of thing came up last year with the Josh Donaldson trade https://sports.yahoo.com/report-mlb-clubs-unhappy-josh-donaldson-trade-191250879.html

Players on the IL are not allowed to be traded, I think.

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TY
Did not realize or did not remember that Aiken was drafted #1 the next year by the Indians, #17, and signed for $2.5 mil while still healing from TJS.
Understand that would be different from a trade acquisition, since he was not "owned" by another team, but he became a part of the team despite his injury...

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2019, 09:18:45 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 16, 2019, 08:09:29 am

This type of thing came up last year with the Josh Donaldson trade https://sports.yahoo.com/report-mlb-clubs-unhappy-josh-donaldson-trade-191250879.html

Players on the IL are not allowed to be traded, I think.

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Correct. Player on the IL cannot be traded.

homer · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2019, 05:34:56 pm »

Syndergaard is latest from my insider.

JimR · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:06:29 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 18, 2019, 05:34:56 pm

Syndergaard is latest from my insider.

That works.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:37:25 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 18, 2019, 05:34:56 pm

Syndergaard is latest from my insider.

Yes, please!

MusicMan · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:43:31 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 18, 2019, 05:34:56 pm

Syndergaard is latest from my insider.

Make it so

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 18, 2019, 06:44:07 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 18, 2019, 05:34:56 pm

Syndergaard is latest from my insider.

He is the only one available (within reason) that I would give up Tucker for. Casey Stern on MLB radio has been pimping a trade involving Syndargaard and Dominic Smith to Houston for Tucker, James and other prospects for about 2 weeks now. Mentions it almost daily. Stern is a Mets guy at heart. Don’t know if he has inside info or just saying what he wants to happen, but he’s been begging for this deal to go down. Discussed it with Duquette again today.

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geezerdonk · « **Reply #20 on:** July 18, 2019, 07:27:40 pm »

Noah S. Sounds good. Two more years of control and relatively cheap. What accounts for this year's inflated (by about 50% over career average) era?

hostros7 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:27:08 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 18, 2019, 07:27:40 pm

Noah S. Sounds good. Two more years of control and relatively cheap. What accounts for this year's inflated (by about 50% over career average) era?

I don’t know, but, if the Astros target him, I’ll assume they have a plan.

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doyce7 · « **Reply #22 on:** July 18, 2019, 08:32:42 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 18, 2019, 07:27:40 pm

Noah S. Sounds good. Two more years of control and relatively cheap. What accounts for this year's inflated (by about 50% over career average) era?

Walks and hits are roughly his career average, strikes are down slighly(9.7-8.8K/9). Homer rate is double what he's had yhe last few years at 1.1 HR/9, in 16 and 18(only 7 starts in 17) his HR/9 was 0.5

Seems like the homerun has been the biggest factor but pitching for the Mets and how toxic things seem up there probably doesn't help.

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DVauthrin · « **Reply #23 on:** July 18, 2019, 09:46:31 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 18, 2019, 08:27:08 pm

I don’t know, but, if the Astros target him, I’ll assume they have a plan.

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The plan would likely be very similar to the one they put Gerrit Cole on.

doyce7 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 19, 2019, 05:06:11 pm »

For what it's worth, Syndergaard went 7 innings of 1 run ball with 8 K's and 1 walk last night

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doyce7 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 19, 2019, 05:06:48 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 19, 2019, 05:06:11 pm

For what it's worth, Syndergaard went 7 innings of 1 run ball with 8 K's and 1 walk last night

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Bumgarner went 9 innings giving up 1 in the same game

Edit: Bumgarner actually has 1.55 ERA in his last 5 starts
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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 19, 2019, 06:57:47 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 19, 2019, 05:06:48 pm

Bumgarner went 9 innings giving up 1 in the same game

Edit: Bumgarner actually has 1.55 ERA in his last 5 starts
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Bumgarner has been by far the better pitcher than any of the other pitchers we are rumored to be looking at. The problem with that is he is pitching so well, and the Giants are on such a roll, that they are less likely to trade him now. Morsi said on radio this afternoon that the talk out of SF now is they are much more likely to trade Watson or Smith than Bumgarner and that they feel like they owe it to the fans and Bochy to keep him and play this out. Things may have to really go south for the Giants over the next 10 days to trade him.

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hostros7 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 20, 2019, 12:36:15 pm »

But Thor is more likely to have a ranch nearby.

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homer · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2019, 12:46:43 pm »

There are ongoing conversations at the highest level about Minor.

MusicMan · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2019, 12:53:31 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 20, 2019, 12:46:43 pm

There are ongoing conversations at the highest level about Minor.

Yes please.

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JimR · « **Reply #30 on:** July 20, 2019, 01:19:18 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 20, 2019, 12:46:43 pm

There are ongoing conversations at the highest level about Minor.

Would be great. Astros tried to sign him as a reliever when he was a FA, but he wanted to be a starter. Hope this happens.

JimR · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:12:47 pm »

No news?

chuck · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:17:23 pm »

My guy's implemented Operation Shutdown.

JimR · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:21:19 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 20, 2019, 04:17:23 pm

My guy's implemented Operation Shutdown.

Must be something up.

MusicMan · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:24:13 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 20, 2019, 04:17:23 pm

My guy's implemented Operation Shutdown.

I didn’t know Derek Bell was so connected.

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chuck · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:53:30 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 20, 2019, 04:24:13 pm

I didn’t know Derek Bell was so connected.

I guess you've never been to a party on his boat.

chuck · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2019, 04:57:03 pm »

I really don't know how to read the silence. I should say that he walked back the big contract comment saying later that it was an impression rather than a fact.

I mean, hell, I can make shit up too. Let's go ahead and stick to what you know, Slappy, not what you think.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2019, 05:43:16 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 20, 2019, 12:46:43 pm

There are ongoing conversations at the highest level about Minor.

I think I’d be happy with Minor. He’s looked good against us this year except for the long balls last night. Overall, his numbers look good.

I keep waffling though. I like that Stroman has a ground ball rate of almost 60%. If we are fortunate enough to make the playoffs, that could play big against the teams you would likely face who all hit homers at an alarmingly high rate.

I would love Bumgarner’s toughness in our rotation.

Decisions, decisions......

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2019, 07:16:57 am »

Quote from: chuck on July 20, 2019, 04:53:30 pm

I guess you've never been to a party on his boat.

I went to a party at his house once. Once.

Fredia · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2019, 09:21:18 am »

I had his card before it disappeared.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:39:53 am »

FWIW Cubs are playing the Giants today

Kevin Goldstein
@Kevin_Goldstein
30m
At Wrigley today for work, and walked by my first apartment in Chicago. In the 1980s, this two bedroom a couple of blocks from the ballpark rented for $725. #KgTour (link: https://www.instagram.com/p/B0OThN-goiX/?igshid=1pn5ezu4sxoio) instagram.com/p/B0OThN-goiX/…

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:56:14 am »

Just realized the Cubs are playing at the Giants. So not sure what KG is doing at Wrigley.

jbm · « **Reply #42 on:** July 22, 2019, 10:59:21 am »

Is he head of major league scouting? Anyways, the Giants are hot and probably not sellers and fuck the cubs.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #43 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:11:31 am »

Quote from: jbm on July 22, 2019, 10:59:21 am

Is he head of major league scouting? Anyways, the Giants are hot and probably not sellers and fuck the cubs.

from the astros website

Kevin Goldstein joined the Astros on Aug. 31, 2012, and was named Director of Pro Scouting in January 2014.

In addition to consulting with the General Manager on trades, free agent signings and other baseball transactions, Kevin oversees the Astros pro scouting efforts, which includes comprehensive scouting of both minor league and Major League players across the 30 MLB clubs as well as independent leagues and foreign professional leagues.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #44 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:21:08 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 22, 2019, 11:11:31 am

from the astros website

Kevin Goldstein joined the Astros on Aug. 31, 2012, and was named Director of Pro Scouting in January 2014.

In addition to consulting with the General Manager on trades, free agent signings and other baseball transactions, Kevin oversees the Astros pro scouting efforts, which includes comprehensive scouting of both minor league and Major League players across the 30 MLB clubs as well as independent leagues and foreign professional leagues.

Front office to front office type conversations if I had to guess.

das · « **Reply #45 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:27:05 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 22, 2019, 11:11:31 am

In addition to consulting with the General Manager on trades, free agent signings and other baseball transactions, Kevin oversees the Astros pro scouting efforts, which includes comprehensive scouting of both minor league and Major League players across the 30 MLB clubs as well as independent leagues and foreign professional leagues.

Cubs are awful hitting left handed pitching and are looking for help. Reddick?

JimR · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:42:53 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 22, 2019, 11:11:31 am

from the astros website

Kevin Goldstein joined the Astros on Aug. 31, 2012, and was named Director of Pro Scouting in January 2014.

In addition to consulting with the General Manager on trades, free agent signings and other baseball transactions, Kevin oversees the Astros pro scouting efforts, which includes comprehensive scouting of both minor league and Major League players across the 30 MLB clubs as well as independent leagues and foreign professional leagues.

This is what Gordon Lakey was for the Phillies, except he only scouted MLB players after ST. He is retired this year.

chuck · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2019, 11:58:08 am »

The site also says, "Kevin resides in DeKalb, Ill."

JimR · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2019, 12:12:53 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 20, 2019, 04:57:03 pm

I really don't know how to read the silence. I should say that he walked back the big contract comment saying later that it was an impression rather than a fact.

I mean, hell, I can make shit up too. Let's go ahead and stick to what you know, Slappy, not what you think.

Very good rule for life.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2019, 01:02:14 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 22, 2019, 10:56:14 am

... not sure what KG is doing at Wrigley.

Maybe to attend the Under Armour All-America at Wrigley today to observe the top high school prospects?

JimR · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2019, 01:16:45 pm »

Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on July 22, 2019, 01:02:14 pm

Maybe to attend the Under Armour All-America at Wrigley today to observe the top high school prospects?

I doubt he would be scouting HS kids in that job.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #51 on:** July 22, 2019, 01:51:55 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 22, 2019, 01:16:45 pm

I doubt he would be scouting HS kids in that job.

Who says he's scouting? He is at Wrigley according to his ~~Tweet~~ Instagram, maybe he is there for the food and ambiance, and it is a coincidence that there is a high school All-American baseball game there today. Too bad for him all the seats face the field and he'll have to avert his gaze so as not to observe any of the action on the field.

JimR · « **Reply #52 on:** July 22, 2019, 01:53:18 pm »

Quote from: Col. Sphinx Drummond on July 22, 2019, 01:51:55 pm

Who says he's scouting? He is at Wrigley according to his Tweet, maybe he is there for the food and ambiance, and it is a coincidence that there is a high school All-American baseball game there today. Too bad for him all the seats face the field and he'll have to avert his gaze so as not to observe any of the action on the field.

Whatever.

Lefty · « **Reply #53 on:** July 22, 2019, 07:07:53 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 20, 2019, 04:12:47 pm

No news?

Gary Gnu?

JimR · « **Reply #54 on:** July 22, 2019, 08:41:10 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on July 22, 2019, 07:07:53 pm

Gary Gnu?

Seriously? You actually typed this?

Jacksonian · « **Reply #55 on:** July 22, 2019, 09:10:36 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on July 22, 2019, 07:07:53 pm

Gary Gnu?

Just when I thought I'd seen it all here.

MusicMan · « **Reply #56 on:** July 22, 2019, 09:46:46 pm »

Quote from: Lefty on July 22, 2019, 07:07:53 pm

Gary Gnu?

I’m always up for a Great Space Coaster reference.

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WVastro · « **Reply #57 on:** July 23, 2019, 01:13:52 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 22, 2019, 07:16:57 am

I went to a party at his house once. Once.

I replied to this post once. Once.

Lefty · « **Reply #58 on:** July 23, 2019, 03:56:07 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 22, 2019, 09:46:46 pm

I’m always up for a Great Space Coaster reference.

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Glad somebody else remembers that show.

homer · « **Reply #59 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:15:10 am »

My insider says Minor is going to happen. No other details.

JimR · « **Reply #60 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:23:52 am »

Quote from: homer on July 28, 2019, 11:15:10 am

My insider says Minor is going to happen. No other details.

That would be good. Wonder if that will be all.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #61 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:36:52 am »

Quote from: homer on July 28, 2019, 11:15:10 am

My insider says Minor is going to happen. No other details.

I would love to have him, but I can’t believe this happens. Why? There are at least 7 teams, if you believe the reports, who are in on Minor. If true, that ask from the Rangers can be somewhat significant. Significant enough that I can’t believe Luhnow gives anyone in the division, especially the Rangers, above average prospects. I’d pay a little more to get Stroman or Ray, but that’s me.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #62 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:37:31 am »

Quote from: homer on July 28, 2019, 11:15:10 am

My insider says Minor is going to happen. No other details.

Interesting in that they viewed him as a reliever, so maybe he starts in the season and slides to the pen for the postseason?

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JimR · « **Reply #63 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:38:54 am »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 28, 2019, 11:36:52 am

I would love to have him, but I can’t believe this happens. Why? There are at least 7 teams, if you believe the reports, who are in on Minor. If true, that ask from the Rangers can be somewhat significant. Significant enough that I can’t believe Luhnow gives anyone in the division, especially the Rangers, above average prospects. I’d pay a little more to get Stroman or Ray, but that’s me.

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“But that’s me”

No shit.

This guy just posted inside info, and you go in to tear it down with your opinion. If I were he, I would not tell you a thing. Maybe this happens, maybe it doesn’t, but tearing the info apart is not helpful.

JimR · « **Reply #64 on:** July 28, 2019, 11:42:27 am »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 28, 2019, 11:37:31 am

Interesting in that they viewed him as a reliever, so maybe he starts in the season and slides to the pen for the postseason?

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I had a similar thought.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #65 on:** July 28, 2019, 12:01:47 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 11:38:54 am

“But that’s me”

No shit.

This guy just posted inside info, and you go in to tear it down with your opinion. If I were he, I would not tell you a thing. Maybe this happens, maybe it doesn’t, but tearing the info apart is not helpful.

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The info, like anything else reported, I appreciate. We’ll see if it happens. And I didn’t rip the report Jim, that’s your style. Just said that I can’t believe Luhnow gives the Rangers top prospects. Again, we’ll see.
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homer · « **Reply #66 on:** July 28, 2019, 01:36:38 pm »

My insider is not Jeff Lunhow. We'll see how full of shit they are in a few days.

They did reiterate the continued 'buzz' around the Mets, but were more certain of Minor.

JimR · « **Reply #67 on:** July 28, 2019, 01:58:42 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 28, 2019, 12:01:47 pm

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The info, like anything else reported, I appreciate. We’ll see if it happens. And I didn’t rip the report Jim, that’s your style. Just said that I can’t believe Luhnow gives the Rangers top prospects. Again, we’ll see.
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You tried to show, as you always do, how smart you are. Homer is connected; when he posts something he has been told, STFU about what you think about his info.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #68 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:40:54 pm »

Several moves coming, with Syndergaard being the most likely, is what I was told Friday night over drinks.

JimR · « **Reply #69 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:42:13 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on July 28, 2019, 02:40:54 pm

Several moves coming, with Syndergaard being the most likely, is what I was told Friday night over drinks.

Music to my ears.

austro · « **Reply #70 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:44:11 pm »

If they pick up a pitcher, what moves do they have to make? I'm not even sure who's up right now. Is Armenteros on the 25-man? Who would get booted from the 40-man?

doyce7 · « **Reply #71 on:** July 28, 2019, 02:51:02 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 28, 2019, 02:44:11 pm

If they pick up a pitcher, what moves do they have to make? I'm not even sure who's up right now. Is Armenteros on the 25-man? Who would get booted from the 40-man?

Cy Sneed would be the first to go

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #72 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:11:44 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 01:58:42 pm

You tried to show, as you always do, how smart you are. Homer is connected; when he posts something he has been told, STFU about what you think about his info.

I’m not trying to show how smart I am. I have no inside info and don’t pretend to. But we can always count on you Jim. As usual, it is you, as the bully that you always are on this site, to anyone who dares to have an opinion you don’t agree with, who attacks someone. I appreciate what he, and everyone else but you, posts on this site. I used to appreciate you, but you are a worthless bully, and the sad thing is, I think you are proud of it. For someone who preaches tolerance about Osuna and other aspects you brought up when Osuna was being discussed, you have little of it. I almost feel sorry for you.

I hope his post is correct. I’d love to have Minor. I never said that I knew his post was wrong or bullshit. I just said I find it hard to believe Luhnow would give decent prospect talent to the Rangers. And that post deserved your vile? Oh well, perhaps Luhnow will. Perhaps he won’t. We’ll see.

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JimR · « **Reply #73 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:15:52 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 28, 2019, 03:11:44 pm

I’m not trying to show how smart I am. I have no inside info and don’t pretend to. But we can always count on you Jim. As usual, it is you, as the bully that you always are on this site, to anyone who dares to have an opinion you don’t agree with, who attacks someone. I appreciate what he, and everyone else but you, posts on this site. I used to appreciate you, but you are a worthless bully, and the sad thing is, I think you are proud of it. For someone who preaches tolerance about Osuna and other aspects you brought up when Osuna was being discussed, you have little of it. I almost feel sorry for you.

I hope his post is correct. I’d love to have Minor. I never said that I knew his post was wrong or bullshit. I just said I find it hard to believe Luhnow would give decent prospect talent to the Rangers. And that post deserved your vile? Oh well, perhaps Luhnow will. Perhaps he won’t. We’ll see.

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You feel sorry for me. So funny. Just read what is posted here and STFU, Pedantic One.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #74 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:23:38 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 03:15:52 pm

You feel sorry for me. So funny. Just read what is posted here and STFU, Pedantic One.

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I said almost. I’ll save my pity for folks who are deserving. You sir, are not.

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JimR · « **Reply #75 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:24:34 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 28, 2019, 03:23:38 pm

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I said almost. I’ll save my pity for folks who are deserving. You sir, are not.

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Fuck off.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #76 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:25:56 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 03:24:34 pm

Fuck off.

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Snuffy · « **Reply #77 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:52:40 pm »

Card's bats could not find Alvarez today. Check that - only once that I remember.
Cards announcers started "chirping" as Alvarez RAN the ball in after O'Neill's 1B in the 3rd, saying he must be "afraid" to throw.
Did he have to throw with the infielders since he was moving toward them and the runners (1st & 3rd) were not trying to advance?

austro · « **Reply #78 on:** July 28, 2019, 03:56:58 pm »

Quote from: Snuffy on July 28, 2019, 03:52:40 pm

Card's bats could not find Alvarez today. Check that - only once that I remember.
Cards announcers started "chirping" as Alvarez RAN the ball in after O'Neill's 1B in the 3rd, saying he must be "afraid" to throw.
Did he have to throw with the infielders since he was moving toward them and the runners (1st & 3rd) were not trying to advance?

Maybe not, but I would think SOP would be to get the ball into Correa's hands as quickly as possible.

JimR · « **Reply #79 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:01:03 pm »

Quote from: Snuffy on July 28, 2019, 03:52:40 pm

Card's bats could not find Alvarez today. Check that - only once that I remember.
Cards announcers started "chirping" as Alvarez RAN the ball in after O'Neill's 1B in the 3rd, saying he must be "afraid" to throw.
Did he have to throw with the infielders since he was moving toward them and the runners (1st & 3rd) were not trying to advance?

Much ado about nothing.

Snuffy · « **Reply #80 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:02:31 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 28, 2019, 03:56:58 pm

Maybe not, but I would think SOP would be to get the ball into Correa's hands as quickly as possible.

True!
Any idea about Alvarez's arm/accuracy?

jbm · « **Reply #81 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:02:43 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 04:01:03 pm

Much ado about nothing.

Yeah, pretty much textbook nitpicking.

austro · « **Reply #82 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:11:51 pm »

Quote from: Snuffy on July 28, 2019, 04:02:31 pm

Any idea about Alvarez's arm/accuracy?

I don't really know how accurate it is (I haven't seen any opportunities where he needed to put it on a spot), but watching him warm up in the outfield in RR, it certainly didn't look like a noodle.

JimR · « **Reply #83 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:12:43 pm »

Quote from: Snuffy on July 28, 2019, 04:02:31 pm

True!
Any idea about Alvarez's arm/accuracy?

WTF, man? There was nothing wrong with the play.

You are in the wrong thread, too.

Snuffy · « **Reply #84 on:** July 28, 2019, 04:23:41 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 28, 2019, 04:12:43 pm

WTF, man? There was nothing wrong with the play.

You are in the wrong thread, too.

Just figured that out....
Tks, JimR!

hostros7 · « **Reply #85 on:** July 28, 2019, 06:26:45 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 28, 2019, 03:25:56 pm

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We’ve been far too lax on non-ironic emoji usage. There’s weak ass shit, and then there’s weak ass shit that seems like a text from your tween.

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 28, 2019, 07:05:35 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 28, 2019, 06:26:45 pm

We’ve been far too lax on non-ironic emoji usage. There’s weak ass shit, and then there’s weak ass shit that seems like a text from your tween.

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Then I’ll rephrase. It was funny.

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JimR · « **Reply #87 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:09:37 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 28, 2019, 06:26:45 pm

We’ve been far too lax on non-ironic emoji usage. There’s weak ass shit, and then there’s weak ass shit that seems like a text from your tween.

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Weak ass shit describes it.

chuck · « **Reply #88 on:** July 28, 2019, 09:33:15 pm »

WASFWAS

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #89 on:** July 29, 2019, 07:07:31 am »

Quote from: chuck on July 28, 2019, 09:33:15 pm

WASFWAS

NO PEAK ENGHEE

JimR · « **Reply #90 on:** July 29, 2019, 08:36:51 am »

Quote from: chuck on July 28, 2019, 09:33:15 pm

WASFWAS

The arbiter

homer · « **Reply #91 on:** July 30, 2019, 11:38:03 am »

Looking at Wheeler. Not currently looking at any catchers.

chuck · « **Reply #92 on:** July 30, 2019, 11:52:48 am »

Minor?

homer · « **Reply #93 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:03:03 pm »

No comment on Minor today. Source said that the Astros don't want to "spend any money." Threw in that after this year "Cole is gone."

JimR · « **Reply #94 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:15:28 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 12:03:03 pm

No comment on Minor today. Source said that the Astros don't want to "spend any money." Threw in that after this year "Cole is gone."

Ugh.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #95 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:17:44 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 12:03:03 pm

No comment on Minor today. Source said that the Astros don't want to "spend any money." Threw in that after this year "Cole is gone."

Boras had already said Cole will go free agent.

homer · « **Reply #96 on:** July 30, 2019, 01:14:47 pm »

Now hearing Bumgarner

MusicMan · « **Reply #97 on:** July 30, 2019, 01:21:51 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 01:14:47 pm

Now hearing Bumgarner

This echoes a Yahoo report

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #98 on:** July 30, 2019, 01:46:07 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2019, 01:21:51 pm

This echoes a Yahoo report

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Amazing. Rosenthal and others have reported the Astros linked to just about every good starting pitcher. The job Luhnow is doing of putting everyone off is incredible. Certainly all of the other post-season contenders are wondering what the Astros are going to do. If this keeps them occupied at all then fantastic.

Bench · « **Reply #99 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:03:23 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 01:46:07 pm

Amazing. Rosenthal and others have reported the Astros linked to just about every good starting pitcher. The job Luhnow is doing of putting everyone off is incredible. Certainly all of the other post-season contenders are wondering what the Astros are going to do. If this keeps them occupied at all then fantastic.

Lots of fun and razzle dazzle to enter August with Tony Watson added to the team.

JimR · « **Reply #100 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:07:40 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 01:14:47 pm

Now hearing Bumgarner

Hoping this is more than “they are talking.”

MusicMan · « **Reply #101 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:41:07 pm »

Quote from: Bench on July 30, 2019, 02:03:23 pm

Lots of fun and razzle dazzle to enter August with Tony Watson added to the team.

That would be better than nothing. I want a lefty out there.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #102 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:46:23 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 01:46:07 pm

Amazing. Rosenthal and others have reported the Astros linked to just about every good starting pitcher. The job Luhnow is doing of putting everyone off is incredible. Certainly all of the other post-season contenders are wondering what the Astros are going to do. If this keeps them occupied at all then fantastic.

To that point:

@TBrownYahoo
Wide net for Astros also includes Ray, among all the others you've heard. The stunner would be if 'Stros don't end up with one of the top-end available SPs.

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JimR · « **Reply #103 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:11:04 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2019, 02:46:23 pm

To that point:

@TBrownYahoo
Wide net for Astros also includes Ray, among all the others you've heard. The stunner would be if 'Stros don't end up with one of the top-end available SPs.

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That is exactly what I fear. Playing games, holding Tucker, feigning disinterest, then it is too late.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #104 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:14:01 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2019, 02:46:23 pm

To that point:

@TBrownYahoo
Wide net for Astros also includes Ray, among all the others you've heard. The stunner would be if 'Stros don't end up with one of the top-end available SPs.

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I'm beginning to wonder if there's just a plan A, whatever that is? If they don't get it, they don't get it and move on. Could the plan be to fuck the market up enough that none of the contenders make a significant deal?

JimR · « **Reply #105 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:16:21 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 03:14:01 pm

I'm beginning to wonder if there's just a plan A, whatever that is? If they don't get it, they don't get it and move on. Could the plan be to fuck the market up enough that none of the contenders make a significant deal?

Man, I hope not. The roster needs some help.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #106 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:23:16 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2019, 03:16:21 pm

Man, I hope not. The roster needs some help.

Personally I think adding a quality starting pitcher is all they need. However I believe the other "best" teams in the league are in need of more help than Houston is.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #107 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:25:01 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 03:14:01 pm

I'm beginning to wonder if there's just a plan A, whatever that is? If they don't get it, they don't get it and move on. Could the plan be to fuck the market up enough that none of the contenders make a significant deal?

I think it's just chicken. The sellers are so few and their assets so valuable they have little incentive to budge from their high asking prices before the last minute.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #108 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:25:57 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 03:23:16 pm

Personally I think adding a quality starting pitcher is all they need. However I believe the other "best" teams in the league are in need of more help than Houston is.

Ditto.

JimR · « **Reply #109 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:35:43 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 30, 2019, 03:23:16 pm

Personally I think adding a quality starting pitcher is all they need. However I believe the other "best" teams in the league are in need of more help than Houston is.

That is the #1 need for sure. I think a quality LHP in the pen also is a need. A backup catcher is icing on the cake but not a necessity.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #110 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:37:42 pm »

I think Luhnow has decided who and how much he will give up in a trade. If that doesn't get him what he wants, then he is willing to stand pat. With a three man rotation, a shaky bull pen and losing 100+ man games from all star/mvp ball players, the Astros still have more wins than any AL team and only trail the Dodgers by one game for having the most wins in MLB.

JimR · « **Reply #111 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:39:04 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 30, 2019, 03:36:33 pm

I think Luhnow has decided who and how much he will give up in a trade. If that doesn't get him what he wants, then he is willing to stand pat. With a three man rotation, a shaky bull pen and losing 100+ man games from all star/mvp ball players, the Astros still have more wins than any AL team and only trail the Dodgers by one game for having the most wins in MLB.

You are probably correct. I hope he has an answer for the back of the rotation if he stands pat.

doyce7 · « **Reply #112 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:39:42 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 30, 2019, 03:37:42 pm

I think Luhnow has decided who and how much he will give up in a trade. If that doesn't get him what he wants, then he is willing to stand pat. With a three man rotation, a shaky bull pen and losing 100+ man games from all star/mvp ball players, the Astros still have more wins than any AL team and only trail the Dodgers by one game for having the most wins in MLB.

You can be a great team and still have a few roster holes. This is a great team, for my money, the best in baseball but you can always add more. The Dodgers will, the Yankees will and the Astros probably will too

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doyce7 · « **Reply #113 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:41:02 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2019, 03:39:04 pm

You are probably correct. I hope he has an answer for the back of the rotation if he stands pat.

If they stand pat then I think the answer for the back of the rotation will be "in October you don't need a back of the rotation, those guys are in the bullpen or not on the roster at all"

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JimR · « **Reply #114 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:41:08 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 30, 2019, 03:39:42 pm

You can be a great team and still have a few roster holes. This is a great team, for my money, the best in baseball but you can always add more. The Dodgers will, the Yankees will and the Astros probably will too

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Roster holes, yes, but not substandard pitching.

geezerdonk · « **Reply #115 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:44:21 pm »

Relying on in-house resources looks very risky from here. Who knows when or if Peacock will be healthy. Urquidy looks good now but so did Valdez for a few games. Armenteros got crushed in his last AAA outing. Bielak has looked good for the last month or so. He could be an option.

JimR · « **Reply #116 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:46:18 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 30, 2019, 03:44:21 pm

Relying on in-house resources looks very risky from here. Who knows when or if Peacock will be healthy. Urquidy looks good now but so did Valdez for a few games. Armenteros got crushed in his last AAA outing. Bielak has looked good for the last month or so. He could be an option.

I saw Bielak pitch during his hot streak. He was not good. McCurry has been good out of the pen every time I saw him. RHP, though.

homer · « **Reply #117 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:48:29 pm »

Zach Wheeler will not cost Kyle Tucker.

doyce7 · « **Reply #118 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:51:33 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on July 30, 2019, 03:44:21 pm

Relying on in-house resources looks very risky from here. Who knows when or if Peacock will be healthy. Urquidy looks good now but so did Valdez for a few games. Armenteros got crushed in his last AAA outing. Bielak has looked good for the last month or so. He could be an option.

I think the difference between Valdez and Urquidy is who they had the good games against. Framber had good games against the Orioles and Blue Jays, 2 of the worst teams/offenses in the league. Urquidy on the other hand was against the Rangers and Cardinals, one is an average team with a good lineup and the other is a good team with a good lineup.

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JimR · « **Reply #119 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:51:40 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 03:48:29 pm

Zach Wheeler will not cost Kyle Tucker.

Nope. Are they serious about Madbum?

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #120 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:54:06 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 30, 2019, 03:48:29 pm

Zach Wheeler will not cost Kyle Tucker.

No, he won’t. And for all the talk about how good they have been with a 3-man rotation and the amount of games lost to injuries, the playoffs, if they get there, are an entirely different animal.

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BlownRanger · « **Reply #121 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:56:06 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2019, 03:51:40 pm

Nope. Are they serious about Madbum?

The Yahoo report that triggered this closed by stressing that the source still did not expect Bumgarner to be dealt.

MusicMan · « **Reply #122 on:** July 30, 2019, 04:03:55 pm »

For backup catcher, I wonder if Kemp could fetch Maldonado

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JimR · « **Reply #123 on:** July 30, 2019, 04:11:21 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 30, 2019, 04:03:55 pm

For backup catcher, I wonder if Kemp could fetch Maldonado

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Good thought. Kemp deserves better than the Cubs, but i’d Like to have Maldonado back.

JimR · « **Reply #124 on:** July 30, 2019, 04:12:45 pm »

Quote from: BlownRanger on July 30, 2019, 03:56:06 pm

The Yahoo report that triggered this closed by stressing that the source still did not expect Bumgarner to be dealt.

Well, I hope the Yahoo guy got his clicksbait worth posting the teams were “engaged.”

JimR · « **Reply #125 on:** July 30, 2019, 04:48:55 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 30, 2019, 03:41:02 pm

If they stand pat then I think the answer for the back of the rotation will be "in October you don't need a back of the rotation, those guys are in the bullpen or not on the roster at all"

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All well and good, but in 2017 Morton and McCullers won the WS by pitching relief. Urquidy and Armenteros?

juliogotay · « **Reply #126 on:** July 30, 2019, 05:08:17 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2019, 04:48:55 pm

All well and good, but in 2017 Morton and McCullers won the WS by pitching relief. Urquidy and Armenteros?

Huh, good point.

doyce7 · « **Reply #127 on:** July 30, 2019, 05:14:53 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 30, 2019, 04:48:55 pm

All well and good, but in 2017 Morton and McCullers won the WS by pitching relief. Urquidy and Armenteros?

100%. That's just what I think the spin will be if they don't make a move for a starter

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homer · « **Reply #128 on:** July 31, 2019, 08:34:00 am »

Robbie Ray

geezerdonk · « **Reply #129 on:** July 31, 2019, 08:50:14 am »

Will help some. One more year of control. Lots of strikeouts; lots of walks; lots of home runs. Strom can probably turn him into Sandy Koufax.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #130 on:** July 31, 2019, 08:53:44 am »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 08:34:00 am

Robbie Ray

He’s been the guy I’ve wanted all along so I hope this deal goes through. I’m greedy though. I’d like Wheeler too!

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BudGirl · « **Reply #131 on:** July 31, 2019, 08:58:35 am »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 31, 2019, 08:53:44 am

He’s been the guy I’ve wanted all along so I hope this deal goes through. I’m greedy though. I’d like Wheeler too!

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Hell. I want them all.

doyce7 · « **Reply #132 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:08:39 am »

Quote from: BudGirl on July 31, 2019, 08:58:35 am

Hell. I want them all.

I think I'm at the point where I'm fine with most anyone they are looking at and just ready for them to pick one!

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BudGirl · « **Reply #133 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:18:25 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on July 31, 2019, 09:08:39 am

I think I'm at the point where I'm fine with most anyone they are looking at and just ready for them to pick one!

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I want all the good ones. Or at least all the ones Luhnow and all want.

JimR · « **Reply #134 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:24:06 am »

Apparently Madbum may still be an option. They like Rojas at RR. Do it.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #135 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:27:36 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 09:24:06 am

Apparently Madbum may still be an option. They like Rojas at RR. Do it.

I like your thinking Jim. Rojas wouldn’t stop me from doing that deal.

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geezerdonk · « **Reply #136 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:36:27 am »

Rojas looks like he is going to be a good MLB player. Hard to give him up for a rental but if Luhnow does it I am all for it.

TeeJoe · « **Reply #137 on:** July 31, 2019, 09:37:38 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 09:24:06 am

Apparently Madbum may still be an option. They like Rojas at RR. Do it.

Wow! Really hoping for this.

jaklewein · « **Reply #138 on:** July 31, 2019, 10:05:47 am »

Quote from: TeeJoe on July 31, 2019, 09:37:38 am

Wow! Really hoping for this.

He is potentially a "help now" player so that makes this at least a possibilty. I have read they probably are going to stand pat unless the haul is ridiculous or if the haul can at least be spun that players received can help this year.

homer · « **Reply #139 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:09:38 am »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 08:34:00 am

Robbie Ray

Calling it a "done deal." Also saying in talks for Lucroy.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #140 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:11:56 am »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 11:09:38 am

Calling it a "done deal." Also saying in talks for Lucroy.

Sounds good to me!!!

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JimR · « **Reply #141 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:14:14 am »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 11:09:38 am

Calling it a "done deal." Also saying in talks for Lucroy.

I know nothing about Ray except he walks too many. He is under club control?

Lucroy is on the IL. No interest in Maldonado?

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #142 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:18:32 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 11:14:14 am

I know nothing about Ray except he walks too many. He is under club control?

Lucroy is on the IL. No interest in Maldonado?

Yes, Ray under control thru next season.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #143 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:21:35 am »

I'd like Ray and Andrew Chaffin from Arizona.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #144 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:21:58 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 11:14:14 am

I know nothing about Ray except he walks too many. He is under club control?

Lucroy is on the IL. No interest in Maldonado?

Lucroy should be coming off the IL today.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #145 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:33:26 am »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 11:09:38 am

Calling it a "done deal."

DBacks and Yankees start at noon. If nothing is announced before then can anyone watch the game to see if Ray is in the dugout?

JimR · « **Reply #146 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:34:21 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 11:21:58 am

Lucroy should be coming off the IL today.

A reunion with Marisnick. Wow.

We have tried to get Lucroy more than once in years past. Someone must like him.

Lefty · « **Reply #147 on:** July 31, 2019, 11:38:37 am »

Quote from: Jacksonian on July 31, 2019, 11:33:26 am

DBacks and Yankees start at noon. If nothing is announced before then can anyone watch the game to see if Ray is in the dugout?

I'm on it, will watch the AZ feed and see what they say.

Lefty · « **Reply #148 on:** July 31, 2019, 01:10:08 pm »

Ray in the dugout, said he was sitting by himself before the game talking to his family on facetime.

JimR · « **Reply #149 on:** July 31, 2019, 02:48:01 pm »

Homer, your friend apparently misled you.

jaklewein · « **Reply #150 on:** July 31, 2019, 02:54:20 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 02:48:01 pm

Homer, your friend apparently misled you.

Would a GM (in this case Luhnow) agree on a trade (say, Ray) and then ask them to wait until the last minute to announce it so other teams like Yankees wouldn't have time to counter with another trade? Probably dumb question, but asking anyhow.

homer · « **Reply #151 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:03:10 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 31, 2019, 02:48:01 pm

Homer, your friend apparently misled you.

They passed on the things they heard. The information was attributed to specific people. I think it demonstrates how tight the circle of trust is.

MRaup · « **Reply #152 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:04:42 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 04:03:10 pm

They passed on the things they heard. The information was attributed to specific people. I think it demonstrates how tight the circle of trust is.

Are you suggesting that your source isn't the Astros GM himself?!

JimR · « **Reply #153 on:** July 31, 2019, 04:07:55 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 31, 2019, 04:03:10 pm

They passed on the things they heard. The information was attributed to specific people. I think it demonstrates how tight the circle of trust is.

Of course, you are correct. I see evidence of that in RR.