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Verlander -- Sleep Guru
« on: July 09, 2019, 08:26:11 am »
I don't remember the last time I got more than 6 hours of sleep.  I guess that's why I'm not a professional athlete.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/sports/baseball/justin-verlander-all-star-sleep.html?action=click&module=Editors%20Picks&pgtype=Homepage
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Re: Verlander -- Sleep Guru
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2019, 08:55:36 am »
There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.


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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 10:45:09 am »
Verlander and Josh James: Both proof of the power of a good night's sleep.
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Re: Verlander -- Sleep Guru
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 12:30:15 pm »
He had some choice words for MLB about the baseballs too:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27149029/verlander-mlb-juicing-balls-more-offense

"It's a f---ing joke," said Verlander, an eight-time All-Star who is starting his second All-Star Game on Tuesday. "Major League Baseball's turning this game into a joke. They own Rawlings, and you've got Manfred up here saying it might be the way they center the pill. They own the f---ing company. If any other $40 billion company bought out a $400 million company and the product changed dramatically, it's not a guess as to what happened. We all know what happened. Manfred the first time he came in, what'd he say? He said we want more offense. All of a sudden he comes in, the balls are juiced? It's not coincidence. We're not idiots."

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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 02:33:08 pm »
I think he should keep it up until MLB at least admits it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 03:17:14 pm »
He had some choice words for MLB about the baseballs too:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27149029/verlander-mlb-juicing-balls-more-offense

"It's a f---ing joke," said Verlander, an eight-time All-Star who is starting his second All-Star Game on Tuesday. "Major League Baseball's turning this game into a joke. They own Rawlings, and you've got Manfred up here saying it might be the way they center the pill. They own the f---ing company. If any other $40 billion company bought out a $400 million company and the product changed dramatically, it's not a guess as to what happened. We all know what happened. Manfred the first time he came in, what'd he say? He said we want more offense. All of a sudden he comes in, the balls are juiced? It's not coincidence. We're not idiots."

I can't find any video of the interview. Was it just in person with Passan?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 04:02:31 pm »
Manfred responds:

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"I'm not going to respond specifically. I'm going to stand by what I said. What we need to be on the baseball issue is transparent and forward-looking," Manfred said. "There has been no intentional alteration in the manufacturing process."

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Earlier Tuesday, in consecutive news briefings with the Baseball Writers' Assn. of America, Clark and Manfred addressed the ball issue, with Manfred denying any intentional manipulation, but did note this: The league is considering changes to the ball's specifications.

"Topic under discussion," Manfred said. "Can go no further."

He was more effusive in rebuffing Verlander.

"If we make a decision to change the baseball," he insisted, "you’re going to know about it before we change the baseball."
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 04:08:18 pm »
This guy is a worthy successor to Selig.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 04:43:31 pm »
I guess they kind of admit it here.

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In June and again during a Monday radio interview, Manfred acknowledged the baseballs this season had less drag due to the pill in the center.

EDIT: I guess Manfred is saying it wasn't intentional, but they believe the report they commissioned (which didn't say why the ball was smoother).
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Re: Verlander -- Sleep Guru
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 05:21:33 pm »
I guess they kind of admit it here.

 That defies logic (and physics). That is like saying a car has less drag as it moves through the air if you change the floormats.
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 05:28:10 pm »
That defies logic (and physics). That is like saying a car has less drag as it moves through the air if you change the floormats.

I once installed a foot gas pedal and fuzzy dice in my 75 Nova...and damn, it sure *felt* like it was faster. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 08:19:39 pm »
The origins of this tweak to the baseball probably involve MLB execs sitting around a conference room table with a bunch of McKinsey pud-pullers staring at charts. Manfred stares at a chart with a peak in some convoluted metric of fan interest and enthusiasm that peaks in the late 90s and early aughts.

Manfred says, “I see this spike in enthusiasm about 2 decades ago; have you run any regression analyses to try to explain the rise?”

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Re: Verlander -- Sleep Guru
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 08:32:17 pm »
Here's a great recent interview Ben Lindbergh did on Effectively Wild of an astrophysicist, knitting enthusiast and baseball fan who unraveled (intended) the whole business with the ball. Enjoy! (Starts at 49:12)

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1395-trade-dreams-and-low-seams/


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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2019, 08:42:15 pm »
That defies logic (and physics). That is like saying a car has less drag as it moves through the air if you change the floormats.

Been reading a bit further and he thinks the pill can be made off-center which causes the ball to wobble and they haven't come up with a way to test this.

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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2019, 06:15:14 am »
Been reading a bit further and he thinks the pill can be made off-center which causes the ball to wobble and they haven't come up with a way to test this.

Can't test whether or not the pill is off center, or they can't test whether or not it makes a difference?   Seems like the former would be fairly doable, locate the center of mass of a sphere.  Surely the egg heads can do this, no?
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2019, 09:10:10 am »
Can't test whether or not the pill is off center, or they can't test whether or not it makes a difference?   Seems like the former would be fairly doable, locate the center of mass of a sphere.  Surely the egg heads can do this, no?

I listened to that FanGraphs podcast that Knoxbanedoodle linked and she points out that Manfred statement included a whole list of things besides the wobbly ball but the news media chose just to report about the off-center pill. 

The lady in the podcast (Meredith Wills) agrees with you that centering the pill shouldn't be a problem and would be very easy to correct in the manufacturing process and to measure with an x-ray. 

She seems to be up-to-date on all the theories and she did her own work taking apart balls from 2014 and comparing them to ones from last season. She found the threads were thicker and the balls were rounder in 2018 and thinks the balls are rounder because the threads are thicker. She notes that blistering injuries on pitchers have been more frequent as well. However, she took some spring training balls and balls from this year and the 2019 balls are still rounder than 2014 but the threads are thinner.

She didn't really convince me any which way, but I think there are so many explosive hitters in the league now that small changes that people didn't care about before really get exaggerated now.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2019, 10:54:29 am »


She didn't really convince me any which way, but I think there are so many explosive hitters in the league now that small changes that people didn't care about before really get exaggerated now.

I think that we're getting to a peak point between the tweaking of the ball the last few years an the science of hitting catching up as well.

Hate on it all you want, but launch angle and exit velo tweaks are made to hit balls hard in the air.

Make the ball travel farther + hitters better understanding the physics behind hitting the ball harder/and being stronger/properly trained for that specific activity = more home runs.

That being said, fuck Rob Manfred. He's just the next fucking sleazebag commissioner for baseball, and clearly he learned everything he knows from the previous sniveling fuckwagon.
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