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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2019, 09:15:43 pm »
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OK, it's the World series. If Hinch deems it an issue, then it must be. There is a trend in the above stats


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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #61 on: November 04, 2019, 09:53:37 pm »
Three in Houston, three in Detroit, I guess.

2017 v LA: no decision (Game 2 win, gave up 3, team scored 1 while he was in), loss in Game 6 (pitched very well, 1 run in support)

2019 v. Washington: loss (gave up 4 after leaving one on when he left, team score 2 while he was in), loss (gave up 3, team scored 2).

 0-3 in WS for Astros.
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« Reply #62 on: November 04, 2019, 10:09:20 pm »
To me game 6 sticks out from that bunch like a sore thumb.

He labored like crazy just to get thru 5 and didn't protest when he was told he was done.   He's a hell of a competitor but he was spent.

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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2019, 06:33:21 am »
To me game 6 sticks out from that bunch like a sore thumb.

He labored like crazy just to get thru 5 and didn't protest when he was told he was done.   He's a hell of a competitor but he was spent.

Yep, and still only gave up 3. His FB never got much above 93-94.
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« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2019, 09:39:17 am »
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OK, it's the World series. If Hinch deems it an issue, then it must be. There is a trend in the above stats

You've got a sample size of 30 postseason starts total and seven starts in the World Series. I'd be wary of reading too much of a trend out of such a limited data set.

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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2019, 09:42:56 am »
Far, far worse. Unlucky is a fact. “Wanted it more” sounds like HS football. Completely silly applied to professional baseball players in the World Series.

You beat me to it and said it far better than I could.

They've been doing this since they were little boys, are incredibly well compensated, are among the best in the world at what they do, and were on the cusp of returning to their profession's highest pinnacle. The idea that they just didn't want it badly enough is ludicrous.

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« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2019, 09:55:45 am »
Correct.  The 1906-1910 FTC almost made it five in a row; won 100+ every season except 1908, when they won 99.

Which is even scarier given that that they didn't play 162 games. Even then, they lost two World Series and didn't win the pennant once.

1906 - 116-36 - Lost World Series (to the 93-58 White Sox)
1907 - 107-45 - Won World Series
1908 - 99-55 - Won World Series
1909 - 104-49 - Finished 2nd (by 6-1/2 games; the Pirates were 110-42)
1910 - 104-50 - Lost World Series (to the 102-48 A's)

Apply those winning percentages to 162 and you get:

1906 - 124-38
1907 - 114-48
1908 - 104-58
1909 - 110-52
1910 - 109-53

People talk about competitive imbalance today. Winning that many games in an eight-team league means that the bottom-feeders were unspeakably awful.

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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2019, 09:58:19 am »
AussieAstro I think the mandate is clear: you need to take that dude fishing, drop him in shark infested water and tell him to swim for shore.  He'll make it if he wants it bad enough.

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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2019, 10:10:07 am »
You've got a sample size of 30 postseason starts total and seven starts in the World Series. I'd be wary of reading too much of a trend out of such a limited data set.

It’s his entire postseason, so you cannot increase statistical probability once you have the entire data set. How does that record compare to other “aces”, and is there diminution with age?

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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2019, 10:51:48 am »
It’s his entire postseason, so you cannot increase statistical probability once you have the entire data set. How does that record compare to other “aces”, and is there diminution with age?

Verlander has gotten better the last two years. It is in all the papers; maybe you have seen it.

He pitched well in the postseason with the Astros but did not have good stuff in G7.

What about Cole in G1? What cataclysmic conclusions did you draw from that?
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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2019, 11:58:36 am »
People talk about competitive imbalance today. Winning that many games in an eight-team league means that the bottom-feeders were unspeakably awful.

It was a time of haves and have nots.  There were generally only three or four teams that were above .500. 
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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2019, 01:14:05 pm »
AussieAstro I think the mandate is clear: you need to take that dude fishing, drop him in shark infested water and tell him to swim for shore.  He'll make it if he wants it bad enough.
Too be fair he didn't say the Astros didn't want it he just said the Nats wanted it more. The Nats maybe wanted it 110% and the Astros only wanted it 109.99%...
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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2019, 07:46:38 pm »
Too be fair he didn't say the Astros didn't want it he just said the Nats wanted it more. The Nats maybe wanted it 110% and the Astros only wanted it 109.99%...

To be fair, it's still a really meaningless cliche.

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« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2019, 07:53:50 pm »
Too be fair he didn't say the Astros didn't want it he just said the Nats wanted it more. The Nats maybe wanted it 110% and the Astros only wanted it 109.99%...

Fuck being fair. It was a stupid statement.
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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2019, 05:57:15 am »
To be fair of course it is stupid and meaningless. To be fair trying harder doesn't guarantee shit. To be fair it is a sports cliche. To be fair you shouldn't be triggered by stupid and meaningless sports cliches that don't guarantee shit.
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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2019, 06:27:21 am »
Too be fair he didn't say the Astros didn't want it he just said the Nats wanted it more. The Nats maybe wanted it 110% and the Astros only wanted it 109.99%...

Yeah, the guy was not bagging the good guys, it is funny (not sure that is the right word?) how a throwaway line has triggered so many people, make of that what you will.  I guess we will all make our conclusions about what happened eventually and come to terms with it.  I look back nearly a week after a really painful game 7 loss and I can give the gnats a half an ounce of credit for… oops, cliché free zone, right?  I don’t think that denigrates the Astros in any way.

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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2019, 07:17:01 am »

I’m in Kalgoorlie for the week so I can’t get to it for a few days, but when I dump this poor bastard at sea, do you want me to chum the water as well?

Chum?   We're not animals here.   Chum the water only if he doesn't bring beer for the trip.

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Re: Hinch’s decisions and thinking/G7
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2019, 04:44:12 am »
Far, far worse. Unlucky is a fact. “Wanted it more” sounds like HS football. Completely silly applied to professional baseball players in the World Series.

This whole wanted it more really pisses me off. These are PROFESSIONAL athletes. Their goal is to win a championship. Have you ever seen how much work it takes to perform at that level? If you ever do, you'll change your tune quickly. They all badly want it. Preiod.
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