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Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« on: July 13, 2018, 06:58:10 pm »
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Mike Fiers (R)

1. Niko Goodrum (S) 2B
2. John Hicks (R) 1B
3. Nicholas Castellanos (R) RF
4. James McCann (R) C
5. Mikie Mahtook (R) LF
6. Victor Martinez (S) DH
7. Ronny Rodriguez (R) SS
8. Jeimer Candelario (S) 3B
9. JaCoby Jones (R) CF

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Dallas Keuchel (L)

1. George Springer (R) DH
2. Alex Bregman (R) 3B
3. Jose Altuve (R) 2B
4. Yuli Gurriel (R) 1B
5. Josh Reddick (L) RF
6. Marwin Gonzalez (S) SS
7. Kyle Tucker (L) LF
8. Max Stassi (R) C
9. Tony Kemp (L) CF
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 07:03:36 pm »
Really, Fiers? I didn't realize he was with the Tigers.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2018, 07:05:05 pm »
Really, Fiers? I didn't realize he was with the Tigers.

With McCann behind the plate.  Like old times.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2018, 07:11:29 pm »
Is this Jacoby Jones the same one the Astros tried to draft?
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2018, 07:11:42 pm »
With McCann behind the plate.  Like old times.

And Jacoby Jones is back in town to drive us all mad once again.


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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2018, 07:12:05 pm »
Friday night. I've got 3 Axis IPAs to finish, then I might switch to a good rum.
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2018, 07:13:29 pm »
Is this Jacoby Jones the same one the Astros tried to draft?
Yup.

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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2018, 07:13:32 pm »
Really, Fiers? I didn't realize he was with the Tigers.

He's having a pretty good year too.  Happy for him, did he and Liriano get their rings before the game?
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2018, 07:18:34 pm »
Friday night. I've got 3 Axis IPAs to finish, then I might switch to a good rum.

I'm drinking coffee.  The first game I've been able to watch in a week.  Tonight is "gin night", however, so I have that to look forward to.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2018, 07:20:10 pm »
I'm drinking coffee.  The first game I've been able to watch in a week.  Tonight is "gin night", however, so I have that to look forward to.

What brand?  Hendricks has been my go-to for a bit, but always looking for suggestions as I am not a connoisseur of that spirit.
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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2018, 07:21:45 pm »
What brand?  Hendricks has been my go-to for a bit, but always looking for suggestions as I am not a connoisseur of that spirit.

There's about 15 different brands.  There are a lot of Brits here, and they drink the shit out of gin.  I brung some Makers Mark this trip, had that last night.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2018, 07:23:16 pm »
Bregman!! Crushed


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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2018, 07:23:47 pm »
Alex Bregman:  All Star
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« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2018, 07:25:19 pm »
Bregman would seem to be the league leader in HR/lb. Although I suppose Betts might be there too.
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Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2018, 07:30:16 pm »
What brand?  Hendricks has been my go-to for a bit, but always looking for suggestions as I am not a connoisseur of that spirit.

my enjoyment of a gin drink and frequency of consumption are highly correlated with the increasing temps. My choice at spec’s is hendrick’s as well, but I strongly prefer gin drinks made by a proper barkeep who shakes or stirs the gin to frosty temps. I can slosh together a decent negroni at home, but anything more seems a bit of a daunting task, or at least one that never seems to yield the same level of satisfaction as one made by a capable third-party.


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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 07:30:34 pm »
Is there any question Bregs is the best hitter on the team right now?

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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2018, 07:33:13 pm »
Is there any question Bregs is the best hitter on the team right now?

Where are you again HH? Thailand?

Sumatra.  Or "Sumatera" as the locals say.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2018, 07:44:17 pm »
I sure hope that's not yboddeus behind the plate.
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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2018, 07:46:50 pm »
He's having a pretty good year too.  Happy for him, did he and Liriano get their rings before the game?

There's your answer.  With Fiers starting tonight and Liriano on Sunday, they'll get them tomorrow night.  Good for them.  Fiers kept the staff's collective head above water when they needed it the most, and Liriano got some crucial outs in the postseason.  Hopefully, they'll get  warm ovation for their contributions.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2018, 07:48:32 pm »
Sumatra.  Or "Sumatera" as the locals say.

Just got back from London/Paris. 

Saw several fellow Astros fans in both cities.  Most fitting encounter was atop the Arc de Triomphe.

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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2018, 07:49:07 pm »
Just got back from London/Paris. 

Saw several fellow Astros fans in both cities.  Most fitting encounter was atop the Arc de Triomphe.

Was there a big "H" star on top?
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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2018, 07:54:13 pm »
Was there a big "H" star on top?

I did take pictures of my Astros cap 'hanging' from the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre.  And selfie (my only one of the trip) of me wearing it on the Arc.

On a related note in the past 2 weeks I saw about 10,000 guys who looked exactly like Marwin Gonzalez. 

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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2018, 07:54:40 pm »
I am not liking this development...
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2018, 07:58:43 pm »
I just realized that tonight is a glove arm tat battle. Where's Dr. Seuss?
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2018, 07:59:21 pm »
Keuchel worked out of that nicely.

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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2018, 08:00:16 pm »
Keuchel worked out of that nicely.

Threw some really good change ups to right handed hitters. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2018, 08:02:03 pm »
Threw some really good change ups to right handed hitters. 

Yes, indeed.
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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2018, 08:05:44 pm »
2 consecutive ABs that Altuve got ahead in the count.  Second one paid off (and he just missed hitting one well in the 1st).

And Yuli!

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« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2018, 08:06:28 pm »
Yuli with an RBI-knock...still two on, still nobody out.
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« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2018, 08:07:36 pm »
I likely am wrong, but it looked to me like Altuve moved a little closer to the plate. I would love to read he thought he was standing a bit too far away.
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« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2018, 08:14:02 pm »
Would really like to see Tucker with a good at bat here...
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« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2018, 08:14:46 pm »
Well shoot...a big inning that never materialized.
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« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2018, 08:14:57 pm »
One positive thing about Tucker is he is not striking out. Patience while he adjusts.
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2018, 08:17:54 pm »
One positive thing about Tucker is he is not striking out. Patience while he adjusts.

He's put good swings on the ball, just not a ton to show for it.  It's tough at this level.  Hopefully he keeps it up and they start to fall. 
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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2018, 08:20:17 pm »
Any complaints about the positioning on that one?
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2018, 08:21:23 pm »
Any complaints about the positioning on that one?

Not on that one.  And I don't object to the shift in certain situations or against certain hitters.  I, like Jim, object to being a slave to it.
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« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2018, 08:22:11 pm »
Any complaints about the positioning on that one?

Nope. Not a shift, but Altuve shading him up the middle more than dp alignment.
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2018, 08:34:50 pm »
I don't understand what's going on with Altuve defensively over the last week.
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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2018, 08:39:16 pm »
I don't understand what's going on with Altuve defensively over the last week.

Errors happen. Part of the game.
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« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2018, 08:40:40 pm »
Nicely done again by Keuchel.  K/DP gets him out of 2 on 0 outs.

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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2018, 08:41:16 pm »
Best things about the As were they do not chase, and they foul off a million pitches.
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2018, 08:48:01 pm »
Best things about the As were they do not chase, and they foul off a million pitches.

That was KC three years ago, and to an extent. the Astros last year.
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2018, 08:51:18 pm »
The sixth inning has been a real chamber of horrors lately.
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2018, 08:55:12 pm »
That was KC three years ago, and to an extent. the Astros last year.

Exactly. KC is who I was thinking of.
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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2018, 08:56:42 pm »
That was awfully close at 2B...surprised there is no challenge.
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« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2018, 08:57:00 pm »
Whew.

This time bases loaded and he gets out of it.

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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2018, 08:57:10 pm »
The sixth inning has been a real chamber of horrors lately.

Try the 8th
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2018, 08:59:17 pm »
Tigers have had 8 baserunners in the last two innings, but haven't scored. 
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2018, 09:01:10 pm »
That was awfully close at 2B...surprised there is no challenge.

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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2018, 09:02:47 pm »
I remember all the good times me 'n Miller enjoyed
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But the future has to change - and to change I've got to destroy
Oh look out Lennon here I come - land ahoy-hoy-hoy

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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2018, 09:14:51 pm »
I likely am wrong, but it looked to me like Altuve moved a little closer to the plate. I would love to read he thought he was standing a bit too far away.

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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2018, 09:16:09 pm »
Nice job by Sipp.
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Re: Tiger at Houston 7/13/2018
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2018, 09:20:01 pm »
That was awfully close at 2B...surprised there is no challenge.

Thought so too real time, but replay showed the tag.
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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2018, 09:46:37 pm »
Damn.  Another promising inning with nothing in the end.

Gotta close it out here now.
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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2018, 09:55:07 pm »
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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2018, 10:15:06 pm »
my enjoyment of a gin drink and frequency of consumption are highly correlated with the increasing temps. My choice at spec’s is hendrick’s as well, but I strongly prefer gin drinks made by a proper barkeep who shakes or stirs the gin to frosty temps. I can slosh together a decent negroni at home, but anything more seems a bit of a daunting task, or at least one that never seems to yield the same level of satisfaction as one made by a capable third-party.

This is all very true.  At home I usually do Hendricks with a bit of tonic & lime on ice.

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2018, 10:19:15 pm »
I likely am wrong, but it looked to me like Altuve moved a little closer to the plate. I would love to read he thought he was standing a bit too far away.

That would be great because then he could probably get to balls on the outer half of the left handed batter's box. He misses a lot of those now, you know.
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« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2018, 07:26:25 am »
That would be great because then he could probably get to balls on the outer half of the left handed batter's box. He misses a lot of those now, you know.

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« Reply #59 on: July 14, 2018, 10:43:58 am »
Excellent point
I wonder if you approached Jose about being more selective at the plate, would you disrupt what is special about him? Jim, I believe it was you that said Jose would hit .400 if he would just swing at strikes. I believe that and wish he would be a little more selective. Still, he’s one of the best hitters I’ve seen in my lifetime. Gwynn, Molitor, Puckett and Altuve.


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« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2018, 01:15:56 pm »
I wonder if you approached Jose about being more selective at the plate, would you disrupt what is special about him? Jim, I believe it was you that said Jose would hit .400 if he would just swing at strikes. I believe that and wish he would be a little more selective. Still, he’s one of the best hitters I’ve seen in my lifetime. Gwynn, Molitor, Puckett and Altuve.


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Style-wise, he's much more Vlad Guerrero than Gwynn to me.  But your point stands, you can't make a player be what they aren't, and that's ok.
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« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2018, 01:38:33 pm »
I wonder if you approached Jose about being more selective at the plate, would you disrupt what is special about him? Jim, I believe it was you that said Jose would hit .400 if he would just swing at strikes. I believe that and wish he would be a little more selective. Still, he’s one of the best hitters I’ve seen in my lifetime. Gwynn, Molitor, Puckett and Altuve.


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There is nothing special about his lack of plate discipline, and he will never achieve the greatness which is within his reach unless he becomes more disciplined. He should watch Bregman and learn.

Ted Williams and Barry Bonds are the two best hitters I have seen in my lifetime. Tony Gwynn is a notch below but close. The attribute they share is a refusal to swing at bad pitches.
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« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2018, 01:53:17 pm »
Style-wise, he's much more Vlad Guerrero than Gwynn to me.  But your point stands, you can't make a player be what they aren't, and that's ok.

Of course you can. That is called coaching, but the player has to be receptive and willing. As I have said before on here, Ensberg told me at RR: “You can’t tell most of these guys anything. They know it all.”

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« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2018, 03:10:48 pm »
Of course you can. That is called coaching, but the player has to be receptive and willing. As I have said before on here, Ensberg told me at RR: “You can’t tell most of these guys anything. They know it all.”

I could not make a bad player a good one, but I could make any player better than they were. They were kids 8-18, though, not pros.

Astroball discusses that one of the biggest attributes the Astros look for is a willingness to learn.


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Astroball discusses that one of the biggest attributes the Astros look for is a willingness to learn.


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Verlander and Cole are great examples of that.
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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2018, 05:25:30 pm »
Of course you can. That is called coaching, but the player has to be receptive and willing. As I have said before on here, Ensberg told me at RR: “You can’t tell most of these guys anything. They know it all.”

I could not make a bad player a good one, but I could make any player better than they were. They were kids 8-18, though, not pros.

I was thinking about fast twitch responses, instincts if you want, like hitters have being hard to re-train after a certain amount of time.  Are there any notable cases of guys re-learning their strike zone after several years in the bigs?  How many years did Biggio flail at the low and away slider?

I was not devaluing coaching at all, not by a long shot.  I would also think that pitchers have an advantage in this regard, because they know what they want to do beforehand, while hitters have to react.
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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2018, 05:29:15 pm »
I was thinking about fast twitch responses, instincts if you want, like hitters have being hard to re-train after a certain amount of time.  Are there any notable cases of guys re-learning their strike zone after several years in the bigs?  How many years did Biggio flail at the low and away slider?

I was not devaluing coaching at all, not by a long shot.  I would also think that pitchers have an advantage in this regard, because they know what they want to do beforehand, while hitters have to react.

Ensberg’s message was professional baseball players do not listen as a general rule. I hope the Astros players are different.
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