Author Topic: Oakland A's at Houston Astros July 10, 2018 (Read 15558 times)

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **on:** July 10, 2018, 07:03:42 pm »

Athletics (S. Manaea - L) @ Astros (J. Verlander - R)
Gametime Forecast: 89°F • Humid and Partly Cloudy

1. Dustin Fowler (L) CF
2. Mark Canha (R) LF
3. Jed Lowrie (S) 2B
4. Khris Davis (R) DH
5. Matt Olson (L) 1B
6. Stephen Piscotty (R) RF
7. Matt Chapman (R) 3B
8. Marcus Semien (R) SS
9. Jonathan Lucroy (R) C

1. George Springer (R) RF
2. Alex Bregman (R) 3B
3. Jose Altuve (R) 2B
4. Yuli Gurriel (R) 1B
5. Evan Gattis (R) DH
6. Marwin Gonzalez (S) SS
7. Max Stassi (R) C
8. Kyle Tucker (L) LF
9. Jake Marisnick (R) CF

austro · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2018, 07:23:26 pm »

Man, Marwin got super-fucked there. What a horrible slide.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2018, 07:25:09 pm »

The knuckle head came in late with cleats up.

Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2018, 07:30:01 pm »

Bregman home run.

JimR · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:04:31 pm »

Altuve bails Manea out of a bases loaded jam.

austro · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:08:06 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 10, 2018, 08:04:31 pm

Altuve bails Manea out of a bases loaded jam.

He might as well go up there with an 0-1 count. By now everybody knows he's hacking at the first pitch, so they're all throwing it in the dirt. It's as predictable as the sun coming up.

JimR · « **Reply #6 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:20:06 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 10, 2018, 08:08:06 pm

He might as well go up there with an 0-1 count. By now everybody knows he's hacking at the first pitch, so they're all throwing it in the dirt. It's as predictable as the sun coming up.

Then slapped at an outside pitch for a lazy fly. With Bregman, that likely would have been 2-0.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #7 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:27:45 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 10, 2018, 08:20:06 pm

Then slapped at an outside pitch for a lazy fly. With Bregman, that likely would have been 2-0.

GameCast showed the pitch a strike, but it's not something he can do much with. Protecting with two strikes is one thing, but just because you can make contact doesn't mean you should swing at the pitch. It's like he goes up there every time thinking he's down 0-2.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #8 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:36:36 pm »

Why did BoMel get tossed?

jbm · « **Reply #9 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:38:05 pm »

I didn’t realize he had, but it was arguing why the home plate ump called a check swing strike without asking fist base ump.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #10 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:40:04 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 10, 2018, 08:38:05 pm

I didn’t realize he had, but it was arguing why the home plate ump called a check swing strike without asking fist base ump.

Ah...ok. Just showed up in the bottom half of the inning on Game Cast...like he'd been tossed during the Stassi's at bat.

jbm · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:40:44 pm »

Great to see Springer contributing again.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:42:10 pm »

Hate to keep bugging y'all, but..."Springer singles on a ground ball to CF, Kyle Tucker scores..." from first base? There has to be more to it than that. Tucker isn't *that* fast.

jbm · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:43:11 pm »

Tucker swiped second

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:44:16 pm »

Quote from: jbm on July 10, 2018, 08:43:11 pm

Tucker swiped second

Thanks. Game Cast should have mentioned that.

Aussie Astro · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:45:54 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 08:44:16 pm

Thanks. Game Cast should have mentioned that.

It was during Marisnick's AB.

Texifornia · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:47:09 pm »

Quote from: Aussie Astro on July 10, 2018, 08:45:54 pm

It was during Marisnick's AB.

BTW: when did Marisnick come back up? Who got knocked from the 25 man to make room?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:47:36 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 08:47:09 pm

BTW: when did Marisnick come back up? Who got knocked from the 25 man to make room?

Cole went on the Bereavement List.

Texifornia · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:52:59 pm »

Did Tucker knock that ball away from Jake?

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:54:28 pm »

No.

It’s tough to figure out that left field.

jbm · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:55:15 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 08:52:59 pm

Did Tucker knock that ball away from Jake?

Nope, almost made a superb catch, but never quite gloved it high up against the wall

NeilT · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2018, 08:55:25 pm »

Tucker seems to have misjudged that play, but it probably looked worse than it was.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:02:38 pm »

Everybody smiling because Altuve didn’t try and take third on the wild pitch.

Hits is everybody’s mascot.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:08:26 pm »

Dull by the way is one of the few MLers to’ve attended my alma mater, which is also I think the only school in the UNC
system not to have its own specialty license plate—which I will not lie I found particularly galling after looking recently and seeing countless plates dedicated to individual NASCAR drivers. UNCA 4eva!

Texifornia · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:10:16 pm »

Dull sharp in relief of Manaea.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:12:51 pm »

White—also from my adopted neck of the woods—has really sucked in limited exposure this year. It’s weird how spectacular he was that first week of 2016 vs. ever since.

austro · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:20:15 pm »

Come on, Lowrie, die already.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:22:01 pm »

Good luck spending less than 7 pitches on Lowrie.

austro · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:38:57 pm »

Bregman es en fuego!

hostros7 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:39:54 pm »

Tip o’ the cap to whomever had Bregman as the team leader in home runs after the midpoint of the season.

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Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:41:58 pm »

Nice to see Devenski 3-up 3-down, which is what just happened in the top of the 7th.

I guess it’s probably just circumstantial, but it really seems to me like the Astros have the luxury right now (and did last year, too) of preparing everyone all season for the playoffs, and it rules.

hostros7 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:47:04 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 09:41:58 pm

I guess it’s probably just circumstantial, but it really seems to me like the Astros have the luxury right now (and did last year, too) of preparing everyone all season for the playoffs, and it rules.

Nah. Hell nah. This team is only three games up on the M’s, and, if they don’t win the division, they will have a one game play-in game against the Sawks or the Yanks, which isn’t an outcome this team, or any other, would want: 162 game regular season for essentially a coin flip game to advance.

The rest of the regular season matters a great deal.

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Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2018, 09:49:33 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 10, 2018, 09:47:04 pm

Nah. Hell nah. This team is only three games up on the M’s, and, if they don’t win the division, they will have a one game play-in game against the Sawks or the Yanks, which isn’t an outcome this team, or any other, would want: 162 game regular season for essentially a coin flip game to advance.

The rest of the regular season matters a great deal.

I meant that they are planning, preparing and pacing to be at peak effectiveness for game 163.

ETA: and that their extraordinary talent is what makes that kind of long view possible, and that that’s what’s awesome.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:05:08 pm »

This would be the third consecutive shutout the A.’s were involved in if we hold on to it.

But here’s Giles in a non-save situation (which is probably preparing for the postseason), so that probably won’t happen.

Still, it’s problematic that we’re making the game more boring at the direst moment to date for its national prospects.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:06:28 pm »

At least it's not Giles' fault, as it's not a save situation.

jbm · « **Reply #35 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:09:27 pm »

Not the relaxing ninth I’d hoped for.

austro · « **Reply #36 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:11:54 pm »

This is getting ridiculous.

astrojo · « **Reply #37 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:12:42 pm »

Geez please don’t blow Verlander’s 10 W

NeilT · « **Reply #38 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:13:33 pm »

Giles. Who didn’t see that coming.

austro · « **Reply #39 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:15:38 pm »

So, if I understand things right, Giles can't get a blown save and can't get a loss if this game goes south. Doesn't seem quite fair, since he's definitely the match that lit the fire.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #40 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:16:04 pm »

Hey Stephen, just go ahead and swing big guy! Ha ha!

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #41 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:17:39 pm »

Horrible time for a WP...

astrojo · « **Reply #42 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:18:58 pm »

I’m speechless.

austro · « **Reply #43 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:19:03 pm »

Tying run doesn't score from 1st on that double. Wild pitch really hurt.

Texifornia · « **Reply #44 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:19:30 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on July 10, 2018, 10:06:28 pm

At least it's not Giles' fault, as it's not a save situation.

It's ridiculous to expect him to get outs under these conditions.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #45 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:20:28 pm »

JV is jinxed.

austro · « **Reply #46 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:20:43 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 10, 2018, 10:18:58 pm

I’m speechless.

You can have few of my words. I'm sure my wife would appreciate it.

NeilT · « **Reply #47 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:22:02 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:19:30 pm

It's ridiculous to expect him to get outs under these conditions.

Maybe we could trade him for Abreu.

astrojo · « **Reply #48 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:22:14 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:20:28 pm

JV is jinxed.

Dude can’t BUY his 10th win. I hope he gets it Sunday.

hostros7 · « **Reply #49 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:22:24 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 10, 2018, 10:20:43 pm

You can have few of my words. I'm sure my wife would appreciate it.

My plan is to sit silently and stew.

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Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #50 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:22:48 pm »

Last year featured a surreal sweep by Oakland in Oakland. Maybe we’re getting it in Houston this go round.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #51 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:22:50 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:05:08 pm

This would be the third consecutive shutout the A.’s were involved in if we hold on to it....

Nice work.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #52 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:23:38 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 10:22:50 pm

Nice work.

I believe the record will show that my post appeared after the first run was scored, sir.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #53 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:34:58 pm »

Is it accurate to say that all this McHugh-for-the-ASG business is a lobbying effort aimed at Hinch? Does the ASG manager still select the guys that fill out the roster?

Texifornia · « **Reply #54 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:36:56 pm »

McHugh should be used as a closer.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #55 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:37:22 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 09:22:01 pm

Good luck spending less than 7 pitches on Lowrie.

McHugh for the All Star Game!

drew corleone · « **Reply #56 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:37:52 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:19:30 pm

It's ridiculous to expect him to get outs under these conditions.

I know y'all are being tongue-in-cheek, but the ridiculous thing there was Giles' behavior walking off of the mound.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #57 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:38:14 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:36:56 pm

McHugh should be used as a closer.

He totally should. He’s like Eric Gagne less a few MPH.

NeilT · « **Reply #58 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:40:13 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:36:56 pm

McHugh should be used as a closer.

Giles should be used to eat innings in blow out losses.

Texifornia · « **Reply #59 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:47:54 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on July 10, 2018, 10:37:52 pm

I know y'all are being tongue-in-cheek, but the ridiculous thing there was Giles' behavior walking off of the mound.

What did he do?

JimR · « **Reply #60 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:48:47 pm »

Quote from: drew corleone on July 10, 2018, 10:37:52 pm

I know y'all are being tongue-in-cheek, but the ridiculous thing there was Giles' behavior walking off of the mound.

Yep. I think his days are numbered.

Rondon’s wild pitch was a killer.

NeilT · « **Reply #61 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:49:01 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:47:54 pm

What did he do?

He didn’t grovel begging forgiveness.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #62 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:49:06 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 10:40:13 pm

Giles should be use to eat innings in blow out losses.

Or to save games, of course—a situation he’s not failed at once this year in 12 tries.

MusicMan · « **Reply #63 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:51:01 pm »

Quote from: Texifornia on July 10, 2018, 10:47:54 pm

What did he do?

He told AJ “fuck you” coming off the mound.

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chuck · « **Reply #64 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:51:22 pm »

Giles is a fucking pussy. He is a fucking useless waste of a roster space. Cursing at Hinch like that is a great way to show the world what a punk you are.

austro · « **Reply #65 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:53:53 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 10:51:01 pm

He told AJ “fuck you” coming off the mound.

Seriously? I wasn't watching the pitching change, so you missed it. If that's what he did, I can't see him hanging around much longer.

NeilT · « **Reply #66 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:54:04 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 10:51:01 pm

He told AJ “fuck you” coming off the mound.

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It’s good to announce your presence with authority.

astrojo · « **Reply #67 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:54:33 pm »

Piscotty again.

The Third Man · « **Reply #68 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:55:16 pm »

Damn. Bullpen blues.

austro · « **Reply #69 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:55:36 pm »

And the meltdown is nearly complete.

Aussie Astro · « **Reply #70 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:56:02 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 10:54:04 pm

It’s good to announce your presence with authority.

Piscotty agrees.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #71 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:56:20 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 10, 2018, 10:54:33 pm

Piscotty again.

Yep, he swung the bat.

hostros7 · « **Reply #72 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:56:42 pm »

You know what’s not a great game zone conversation topic? Bringing up the all-star candidacy of a pitcher who is on the mound in a tie game in extra innings.

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MusicMan · « **Reply #73 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:56:46 pm »

Quote from: austro on July 10, 2018, 10:53:53 pm

Seriously? I wasn't watching the pitching change, so you missed it. If that's what he did, I can't see him hanging around much longer.

I’m 99.9% sure I read his lips correctly.

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Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #74 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:58:26 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 10, 2018, 10:51:22 pm

Giles is a fucking pussy. He is a fucking useless waste of a roster space. Cursing at Hinch like that is a great way to show the world what a punk you are.

I don’t exactly disagree, but if I were Giles I’d want to sue the brain trust over misuse this year.

hostros7 · « **Reply #75 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:58:48 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 10:51:01 pm

He told AJ “fuck you” coming off the mound.

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Apparently, he should have stuck with his initial efforts to cope with failure and frustration: punching himself in the face.

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NeilT · « **Reply #76 on:** July 10, 2018, 10:59:13 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:58:26 pm

I don’t exactly disagree, but if I were Giles I’d want to sue the brain trust over misuse this year.

They should have put him at first base?

austro · « **Reply #77 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:00:18 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 10:56:46 pm

I’m 99.9% sure I read his lips correctly.

Sorry, I can't type. I meant "I missed it", not "you missed it".

hostros7 · « **Reply #78 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:00:21 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:58:26 pm

I don’t exactly disagree, but if I were Giles I’d want to sue the brain trust over misuse this year.

His job is to pitch well in whatever situation Hinch decides to use him in.

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astrojo · « **Reply #79 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:00:31 pm »

Tucker walk off?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #80 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:00:56 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:58:26 pm

I don’t exactly disagree, but if I were Giles I’d want to sue the brain trust over misuse this year.

I don't agree with his usage at times, but he has to get outs, no matter the situation. If he can't he's pointless.

astrojo · « **Reply #81 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:02:49 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 10, 2018, 11:00:31 pm

Tucker walk off?

That’ll do. Gets tying run to 3rd, no out.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #82 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:03:06 pm »

Kemp gotta put a ball in play here...

astrojo · « **Reply #83 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:06:12 pm »

He touched the plate the first time

astrojo · « **Reply #84 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:06:49 pm »

Tie game, get the win!

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #85 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:07:02 pm »

If I'm Springer, I'm laying one down.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #86 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:10:12 pm »

GOD DAMN! That was weirder than shit

DVauthrin · « **Reply #87 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:10:20 pm »

Padres part 2. Wow!

astrojo · « **Reply #88 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:10:34 pm »

Another crazy play wins the game w bregman at the plate

hostros7 · « **Reply #89 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:10:40 pm »

What the heck just happened?

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #90 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:10:58 pm »

Why does this situation look familiar?

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #91 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:11:00 pm »

No fucking way!

DVauthrin · « **Reply #92 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:11:34 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 10, 2018, 11:10:40 pm

What the heck just happened?

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Something weirder than the infield popup that won the April game vs the Padres.

NeilT · « **Reply #93 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:12:10 pm »

Another Bregman walk-off. Did that stay fair?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #94 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:12:10 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on July 10, 2018, 11:11:34 pm

Something weirder than the infield popup that won the April game vs the Padres.

Can anyone fucking describe it? Other than it being "weird"?

hostros7 · « **Reply #95 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:13:24 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:12:10 pm

Can anyone fucking describe it? Other than it being "weird"?

The radio guys have struggled to explain what transpired.

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #96 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:13:46 pm »

Quote from: hostros7 on July 10, 2018, 11:13:24 pm

The radio guys have struggled to explain what transpired.

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I had higher hopes for you guys. Alas.

Nate in IA · « **Reply #97 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:14:32 pm »

Bregman hit a weird top that went into fair territory.. the catcher picked it up and tried to tag him with his bare hand. At that point the ball escaped his grip and Alex took off to first. The catcher tried to throw to first for the force out and the first baseman whiffed the catch. Kyle trots home.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #98 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:14:34 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:12:10 pm

Can anyone fucking describe it? Other than it being "weird"?

Bregman it one that was initially foul, but came back fair a couple feet in front of the plate, 1st base side. Lurcroy then grabbed the ball and tried to tag Bregman, but dropped the ball. Bregman ran down to 1st and Lucroy thew it away, scoring Tucker. Under review

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #99 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:14:41 pm »

I'll have to settle for "Alex Bregman reaches on a soft ground ball to catcher Jonathan Lucroy, Kyle Tucker scores." I'll use my imagination.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #100 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:14:56 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on July 10, 2018, 11:14:34 pm

Bregman it one that was initially foul, but came back fair a couple feet in front of the plate, 1st base side. Lurcroy then grabbed the ball and tried to tag Bregman, but dropped the ball. Bregman ran down to 1st and Lucroy thew it away, scoring Tucker. Under review

Safe! Astros win!

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #101 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:15:37 pm »

Bregman dinked a nubber that started foul and came back into play just barely. Lucroy picked it up and tried to tag him but tossed it away toward the home plate Jon. Bregman advances to first and Lucroy throws it away and Tucker scores. Ballgame.

AtascAstro · « **Reply #102 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:15:46 pm »

Alex hits a tapper foul 4 feet away from the box but it starts rolling fair. Lucroy picks it up fair and tries to tag Alex behind him, Alex jumps back, Lucroy drops the ball. Alex runs to first, Lucroy throws it away on an attempt to throw him out at first. Tucker scores from second.

homer · « **Reply #103 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:15:55 pm »

The throw to first also appeared to have hit Bregman in the head.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #104 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:16:23 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:13:46 pm

I had higher hopes for you guys. Alas.

Bregman hit a dribbler in front of home, Lucroy picked it up in fair territory, tried to tag Bregman, loses control of the ball as he goes for the tag, Alex starts running to first again, Lucroy’s throw to first hits Alex’s helmet as he’s running inside the baseline, ricochets into right field, Tucker scores, Astros win.

astrojo · « **Reply #105 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:16:34 pm »

Bregman taps ball down at plate. It rolls on chalk line. Lucroy picks up ball to tag Bregman who thinks it a possible foul ball, misses bregman and drops the ball. Runners advance and bregman safe/tucker scores when Lucroy throws wide to 1st.

Edited to add that apparently the throw hit bregman. I didn’t see it clearly, just thought the catcher threw it wide.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #106 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:16:42 pm »

Quote from: homer on July 10, 2018, 11:15:55 pm

The throw to first also appeared to have hit Bregman in the head.

Fortunately, he was clearly in the baseline.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #107 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:16:48 pm »

It’s proof of something that Bregman leads MLB in both hard-hit outs and absurd game winners.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #108 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:17:46 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 11:16:48 pm

It’s proof of something that Bregman leads MLB in both hard-hit outs and absurd game winners.

You create your own luck sometimes?

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #109 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:17:54 pm »

All's well that ends well, I suppose.

A few Astros need a swift kick in the ass though.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #110 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:18:32 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on July 10, 2018, 11:16:42 pm

Fortunately, he was clearly in the baseline.

In the base line is where you're not supposed to be.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #111 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:20:02 pm »

Look at this page—who said eyewitness testimony’s unreliable?

MusicMan · « **Reply #112 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:20:28 pm »

Props to Bregman for escaping a rundown between home and first.

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Col. Sphinx Drummond · « **Reply #113 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:20:38 pm »

That was just crazy

chuck · « **Reply #114 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:21:46 pm »

We need the clubhouse leaders around here to get the dugout organized to give Hudson the silent treatment in situations like this.

Tom Servo · « **Reply #115 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:23:16 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:17:54 pm

All's well that ends well, I suppose.

A few Astros need a swift kick in the ass though.

I misstated then. He was where he was supposed to be though.

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NeilT · « **Reply #116 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:23:44 pm »

Bregman swung the bat at the ball. An angel from heaven came down with a heavenly choir sing “Hosanna! Alleluia!” The catcher Lucroy crossed himself but noticed that the ball through divine providence was dribbling down the first base line He reached for the ball but a raven landed on it. “Nevermore!” quoth the raven. Lucroy, startled, nonetheless picked up the ball to tag out Bregman, but the brilliant light emitted by Bregman startled him and Lucroy bobbled the ball. Bregman, hoisted by the heavenly chorus, was carried down the line toward first. Lucroy tried to make the play to first but the Bregman force field diverted the ball towards the Romulun cruiser. Safe. Astros win.

You really should have seen it.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #117 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:27:03 pm »

Quote from: chuck on July 10, 2018, 11:21:46 pm

We need the clubhouse leaders around here to get the dugout organized to give Hudson the silent treatment in situations like this.

That's fucking cold, man.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #118 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:28:41 pm »

Quote from: Tom Servo on July 10, 2018, 11:23:16 pm

I misstated then. He was where he was supposed to be though.

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Alex was running on the outside of first base, where the runner’s lane is. So yes, he was where he needed to be.

astrojo · « **Reply #119 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:29:03 pm »

Also not lost in all the excitement is that they got to Treinen, pushing McHugh ahead of him for best relief era.

MusicMan · « **Reply #120 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:30:05 pm »

Quote from: astrojo on July 10, 2018, 11:29:03 pm

Also not lost in all the excitement is that they got to Treinen, pushing McHugh ahead of him for best relief era.

Nope. The second run was unearned.

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Aussie Astro · « **Reply #121 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:30:57 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 11:23:44 pm

Bregman swung the bat at the ball. An angel from heaven came down with a heavenly choir sing “Hosanna! Alleluia!” The catcher Lucroy crossed himself but noticed that the ball through divine providence was dribbling down the first base line He reached for the ball but a raven landed on it. “Nevermore!” quoth the raven. Lucroy, startled, nonetheless picked up the ball to tag out Bregman, but the brilliant light emitted by Bregman startled him and Lucroy bobbled the ball. Bregman, hoisted by the heavenly chorus, was carried down the line toward first. Lucroy tried to make the play to first but the Bregman force field diverted the ball towards the Romulun cruiser. Safe. Astros win.

You really should have seen it.

When Lucroy lost the ball trying to make the tag, did it hit the ump in the chest or was I seeing things?

astrojo · « **Reply #122 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:30:59 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 11:23:44 pm

Bregman swung the bat at the ball. An angel from heaven came down with a heavenly choir sing “Hosanna! Alleluia!” The catcher Lucroy crossed himself but noticed that the ball through divine providence was dribbling down the first base line He reached for the ball but a raven landed on it. “Nevermore!” quoth the raven. Lucroy, startled, nonetheless picked up the ball to tag out Bregman, but the brilliant light emitted by Bregman startled him and Lucroy bobbled the ball. Bregman, hoisted by the heavenly chorus, was carried down the line toward first. Lucroy tried to make the play to first but the Bregman force field diverted the ball towards the Romulun cruiser. Safe. Astros win.

You really should have seen it.

It happened exactly like this.

NeilT · « **Reply #123 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:31:16 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 11:30:05 pm

Nope. The second run was unearned.

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Wait . . . That was an error!?!?!

NeilT · « **Reply #124 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:32:44 pm »

Quote from: Aussie Astro on July 10, 2018, 11:30:57 pm

When Lucroy lost the ball trying to make the tag, did it hit the ump in the chest or was I seeing things?

If it didn’t it should have.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #125 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:33:01 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 11:23:44 pm

Bregman swung the bat at the ball. An angel from heaven came down with a heavenly choir sing “Hosanna! Alleluia!” The catcher Lucroy crossed himself but noticed that the ball through divine providence was dribbling down the first base line He reached for the ball but a raven landed on it. “Nevermore!” quoth the raven. Lucroy, startled, nonetheless picked up the ball to tag out Bregman, but the brilliant light emitted by Bregman startled him and Lucroy bobbled the ball. Bregman, hoisted by the heavenly chorus, was carried down the line toward first. Lucroy tried to make the play to first but the Bregman force field diverted the ball towards the Romulun cruiser. Safe. Astros win.

You really should have seen it.

It was a Warbird, technically, not a “cruiser”, but otherwise I vouch for this version completely. Oh, except that now that I think about it you missed the part where Bregman and Lucroy wrestled for like three days on the first base line and then at the end Bregman touched Lucroy’s knee or something and Lucroy changed his name.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #126 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:33:10 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 10, 2018, 11:31:16 pm

Wait . . . That was an error!?!?!

The throw into RF was.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #127 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:33:31 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:27:03 pm

That's fucking cold, man.

I’ll help you out. Click this link to see the play: https://mobile.twitter.com/dtexanz/status/1016900763010945024/video/1

astrojo · « **Reply #128 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:34:20 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 11:30:05 pm

Nope. The second run was unearned.

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But the tying run was earned. He only pitched .1 inning and mcHugh pitched 2 allowing 1 earned run. Wouldn’t that be enough?

Totals finally updated. Not enough.

Treinen WHIP 0.96 ERA 0.98
McHugh WHIP 0.73 ERA 1.02

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #129 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:38:26 pm »

Quote from: MusicMan on July 10, 2018, 10:51:01 pm

He told AJ “fuck you” coming off the mound.

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If he really did this then I’d trade his ass for a dozen baseballs.

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NeilT · « **Reply #130 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:39:35 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 11:33:01 pm

It was a Warbird, technically, not a “cruiser”, but otherwise I vouch for this version completely. Oh, except that now that I think about it you missed the part where Bregman and Lucroy wrestled for like three days on the first base line and then at the end Bregman touched Lucroy’s knee or something and Lucroy changed his name.

Sometimes I miss the details.

Lefty · « **Reply #131 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:40:06 pm »

Quote from: Aussie Astro on July 10, 2018, 11:30:57 pm

When Lucroy lost the ball trying to make the tag, did it hit the ump in the chest or was I seeing things?

Yes. Ball popped out of Lucroy's hand, hits the ump in the chest and drops between his legs. Lucroy did a little dance looking for it.

chuck · « **Reply #132 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:49:47 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:27:03 pm

That's fucking cold, man.

I just want to see you prancing down the dugout Altuve style high-fiving imaginary teammates.

chuck · « **Reply #133 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:50:41 pm »

AAHH FUCK YOU, MAN!, I believe is what the transcript will read.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #134 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:53:13 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 10, 2018, 11:38:26 pm

If he really did this then I’d trade his ass for a dozen baseballs.

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It's the heat of battle...tempers flare. Don't do anything knee jerk.

chuck · « **Reply #135 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:53:34 pm »

https://twitter.com/ScottEMarvin/status/1016883189560823808

Charming fellow, and acknowledges his scant shortcomings with grace, and poise.

JimR · « **Reply #136 on:** July 10, 2018, 11:54:58 pm »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 10, 2018, 10:58:26 pm

I don’t exactly disagree, but if I were Giles I’d want to sue the brain trust over misuse this year.

Oh, please. A pitcher pitches when he is put in the game, and he must get outs no matter what the score is. You played too much baseball to say something like this.

That is prima dona shit.

JimR · « **Reply #137 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:00:05 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 10, 2018, 11:53:13 pm

It's the heat of battle...tempers flare. Don't do anything knee jerk.

Yep, shit like this happens in clubhouses. My problem is his sulking and pouting when he pitches.

Reddick, Tucker, and Kemp had great ABs, and Reddick’s baserunning was the key.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #138 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:06:43 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 10, 2018, 11:54:58 pm

Oh, please. A pitcher pitches when he is put in the game, and he must gets out no matter what the score is. You played too much baseball to say something like this.

That is prima dona shit.

Say something like what? That he’s been misused?

I’ve just been flummoxed by his use all year and feel like, if anybody has, he’s been set up to fail. My heart goes out to the dude. That he’s now aggressively digging his own hole doesn’t help but it doesn’t mean I run away from him either calling him an asshole. And I didn’t see him tell his manager to fuck off.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #139 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:11:09 am »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 11, 2018, 12:06:43 am

Say something like what? That he’s been misused?

I’ve just been flummoxed by his use all year and feel like, if anybody has, he’s been set up to fail. My heart goes out to the dude. That he’s now aggressively digging his own hole doesn’t help but it doesn’t mean I run away from him either calling him an asshole. And I didn’t see him tell his manager to fuck off.

Putting him in with a 4-run lead is not setting him up for failure. It may not be the best use of him in the pen or situationally, but that's not his concern. His job is to get outs. He has to get them whether he's starting a game, closing it out, or mopping it up.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #140 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:13:29 am »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 11, 2018, 12:06:43 am

Say something like what? That he’s been misused?

I’ve just been flummoxed by his use all year and feel like, if anybody has, he’s been set up to fail. My heart goes out to the dude. That he’s now aggressively digging his own hole doesn’t help but it doesn’t mean I run away from him either calling him an asshole. And I didn’t see him tell his manager to fuck off.

Ken Giles needs to learn how to pitch effectively no matter when he comes into a game, save situation or not. It’s not AJ’s fault he crapped the bed tonight with what should have been a comfortable 4 run lead.

JimR · « **Reply #141 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:13:39 am »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 11, 2018, 12:06:43 am

Say something like what? That he’s been misused?

I’ve just been flummoxed by his use all year and feel like, if anybody has, he’s been set up to fail. My heart goes out to the dude. That he’s now aggressively digging his own hole doesn’t help but it doesn’t mean I run away from him either calling him an asshole. And I didn’t see him tell his manager to fuck off.

Set up to fail? By being put into a major league game to pitch with a 100 mph fastball and a killer slider? Oh, please.
Cry me a river. Shut up and pitch. Did you see McHugh sulking and pouting when he was relegated to the bullpen? He did mopup work without complaint and got outs.

WFW, Giles.

homer · « **Reply #142 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:19:54 am »

AJ was asked in the postgame about Giles comment coming off the mound. He said he didn't hear it, or didn't think it was directed at him. He said he would review it and address it if necessary.

Knoxbanedoodle · « **Reply #143 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:20:14 am »

Yes yes yes, as I originally said I don’t disagree with any of the Giles flaming, and as I originally said he’s been misused this year. Jesus Christ. Bunch of tough guys in here.

The Third Man · « **Reply #144 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:38:13 am »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 11, 2018, 12:06:43 am

Say something like what? That he’s been misused?

I’ve just been flummoxed by his use all year and feel like, if anybody has, he’s been set up to fail. My heart goes out to the dude. That he’s now aggressively digging his own hole doesn’t help but it doesn’t mean I run away from him either calling him an asshole. And I didn’t see him tell his manager to fuck off.

I think Hinch has been trying to protect Giles after his playoff meltdown and the face-punch incident against the Yankees.

Lefty · « **Reply #145 on:** July 11, 2018, 12:41:32 am »

Quote from: Knoxbanedoodle on July 11, 2018, 12:20:14 am

Yes yes yes, as I originally said I don’t disagree with any of the Giles flaming, and as I originally said he’s been misused this year. Jesus Christ. Bunch of tough guys in here.

Misused how?

chuck · « **Reply #146 on:** July 11, 2018, 01:23:50 am »

Quote from: Lefty on July 11, 2018, 12:41:32 am

Misused how?

Put in a game and asked to pitch.

Someone else referenced this but the difference this year between Giles and McHugh in terms of attitude and performance is stark.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #147 on:** July 11, 2018, 06:49:57 am »

Quote from: The Third Man on July 11, 2018, 12:38:13 am

I think Hinch has been trying to protect Giles after his playoff meltdown and the face-punch incident against the Yankees.

I agree, and the fact that Hinch has to do this in my opinion is a real problem. A quality closer should not have to be coddled. There are some things about Giles that I really like. He doesn’t shy away from the cameras after a bad outing, and he’s got really good stuff. But in my opinion, he is just too emotional at this point in his career for this role. Again, this is just my opinion, but if I were Jeff Luhnow he would be the central part of a package going to the Padres for Brad Hand. I think a change of scenery would do Giles well and I would thank him for his service as I put him on a plane to San Diego. Sooner rather than later.....but that’s just me.

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VirtualBob · « **Reply #148 on:** July 11, 2018, 06:53:42 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 11, 2018, 12:11:09 am

Putting him in with a 4-run lead is not setting him up for failure. It may not be the best use of him in the pen or situationally, but that's not his concern. His job is to get outs. He has to get them whether he's starting a game, closing it out, or mopping it up.

Exactly.

JimR · « **Reply #149 on:** July 11, 2018, 07:07:24 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on July 11, 2018, 12:11:09 am

Putting him in with a 4-run lead is not setting him up for failure. It may not be the best use of him in the pen or situationally, but that's not his concern. His job is to get outs. He has to get them whether he's starting a game, closing it out, or mopping it up.

This, this, this

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 11, 2018, 07:12:18 am »

Quote from: chuck on July 11, 2018, 01:23:50 am

Put in a game and asked to pitch.

Someone else referenced this but the difference this year between Giles and McHugh in terms of attitude and performance is stark.

This is a really great point. Colin McHugh does not want to be a reliever. Do you think he’s complaining about being misused? No! He’s going out there and doing what he is supposed to do, which is pitch. Giles should do the same thing and go out there and strive to be the best pitcher in the league in whatever role he is put in. If you can’t handle that, then ask for a trade.

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jbm · « **Reply #151 on:** July 11, 2018, 07:47:50 am »

Regardless of what he said, don't you think they need to address his presence on the roster at some point this season. Remember, they lost confidence in him in the postseason and he was a useless roster spot. Given his performance this year, even if he pulls out of it a bit, do you think they will trust him if they make the postseason? It's hard for me to imagine they will. So, for a team with resources, why keep someone on the roster you don't trust.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #152 on:** July 11, 2018, 08:11:31 am »

Quote from: jbm on July 11, 2018, 07:47:50 am

Regardless of what he said, don't you think they need to address his presence on the roster at some point this season. Remember, they lost confidence in him in the postseason and he was a useless roster spot. Given his performance this year, even if he pulls out of it a bit, do you think they will trust him if they make the postseason? It's hard for me to imagine they will. So, for a team with resources, why keep someone on the roster you don't trust.

Agree completely, which is why I say, if it was me, he would part of the deal to get Brad Hand.

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JimR · « **Reply #153 on:** July 11, 2018, 08:56:23 am »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on July 11, 2018, 08:11:31 am

Agree completely, which is why I say, if it was me, he would part of the deal to get Brad Hand.

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You assume SD wants him. Big assumption.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 11, 2018, 09:27:49 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 11, 2018, 08:56:23 am

You assume SD wants him. Big assumption.

True, very true. And very possible they don’t.

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LonghornCDR · « **Reply #155 on:** July 11, 2018, 09:28:18 am »

McHugh saw what happened in the postseason last year with Verlander, McCullers, and Morton all getting high leverage multi-inning relief appearances and earning playoff wins. He’s auditioning to be one of those guys in October and he’s killing it. Giles has been sulky since October because he’s not “the closer.” His attitude seems to be a huge outlier on this team, and if not dealt with could lead to chemistry damaging drama. I’m ready for Luhnow to cut bait.

Fynn · « **Reply #156 on:** July 11, 2018, 09:35:38 am »

Quote from: JimR on July 11, 2018, 08:56:23 am

You assume SD wants him. Big assumption.

Of course I don't know Giles, but he really seems to have a major case of mental issues. No matter how much talent is present, he can never be trusted. Don't need someone with anger issues on the team. I just hope he gets some help.

JimR · « **Reply #157 on:** July 11, 2018, 09:41:51 am »

Quote from: Fynn on July 11, 2018, 09:35:38 am

Of course I don't know Giles, but he really seems to have a major case of mental issues. No matter how much talent is present, he can never be trusted. Don't need someone with anger issues on the team. I just hope he gets some help.

His meltdowns have been very public and are a bigger issue than his pitching.

JJxvi · « **Reply #158 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:10:14 am »

I don't see any real indications of like insubordination or relationship problems with Giles words and body language, like some elsewhere are making it out to be. It's stupid and kinda disrespectful, but it seemed like it was an angry (at himself) sarcastic response to whatever Hinch said when he took the ball from him. It's more disturbing that he continues to have random meltdowns and act like a lunatic afterword, than any concerns that "oooh he said Fuck You to the manager!"

JimR · « **Reply #159 on:** July 11, 2018, 10:51:42 am »

Quote from: JJxvi on July 11, 2018, 10:10:14 am

I don't see any real indications of like insubordination or relationship problems with Giles words and body language, like some elsewhere are making it out to be. It's stupid and kinda disrespectful, but it seemed like it was an angry (at himself) sarcastic response to whatever Hinch said when he took the ball from him. It's more disturbing that he continues to have random meltdowns and act like a lunatic afterword, than any concerns that "oooh he said Fuck You to the manager!"

That is an issue Hinch must address, but if you do not see sulking and pouting during his outings, you do not remember the engaged intensity he brought to save situations.

NeilT · « **Reply #160 on:** July 11, 2018, 02:01:35 pm »

Quote from: JimR on July 11, 2018, 09:41:51 am

His meltdowns have been very public and are a bigger issue than his pitching.

Why? His pitching's been erratic and cost games, and that sure seems like the bigger problem to me. Public tantrums after the damage is done is a sideshow.

JimR · « **Reply #161 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:09:01 pm »

Quote from: NeilT on July 11, 2018, 02:01:35 pm

Why? His pitching's been erratic and cost games, and that sure seems like the bigger problem to me. Public tantrums after the damage is done is a sideshow.

Clubhouse and division within the team. Pitching (or hitting) bad is part of the game. Players are supportive of bad performance but not of bad character.