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The stadium the White Sox didn't build
« on: April 12, 2018, 10:51:56 pm »
This article is long but has some interesting insights on stadium architecture.

I sent it to a buddy of mine who is a Sox fan.  Triggered a 20 text message tirade from him.  He was familiar with this proposal even while the issue was up in the air.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-white-sox-ballpark-in-chicago-that-never-was-and-could-have-changed-history/

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2018, 08:15:14 pm »
Thanks, that was an interesting read.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 12:19:43 pm »
That is amazing.
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 02:53:49 pm »
Interesting read, but I thought the most interesting point of the whole thing was the preference for upper deck columns (and, therefore, obstructed-view seats in the lower deck) in Armour Field.  I think that may be the first time I've ever heard of someone trying to bring that back in a modern stadium design.

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 03:35:34 pm »
Interesting read, but I thought the most interesting point of the whole thing was the preference for upper deck columns (and, therefore, obstructed-view seats in the lower deck) in Armour Field.  I think that may be the first time I've ever heard of someone trying to bring that back in a modern stadium design.

The closest upper deck seat in the new stadium was further from the field than the last seat in the old stadium.

I would love to be able to see a big league game in a venue like that.

Now I might not enjoy seeing a large steel column in my face. . .

Maybe an engineer or architect will figure out a solution.  Cantilevered decks with huge supports outlining the structure?

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 04:01:55 pm »
The closest upper deck seat in the new stadium was further from the field than the last seat in the old stadium.

I would love to be able to see a big league game in a venue like that.

Now I might not enjoy seeing a large steel column in my face. . .

Maybe an engineer or architect will figure out a solution.  Cantilevered decks with huge supports outlining the structure?

Took in a number of games at Old Comiskey.  I had an obstructed view for Game 3 of the 83 ALCS.  It's kind of a pain especially if home plate is blocked but you can lean a bit to see.  It's who's next to you that matters.
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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2018, 05:48:48 pm »
I have the Rays new stadium designed in my head, complete with the red brick streets surrounding it.  Not sure my design will get much of a look though.
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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2018, 06:00:11 pm »
Thinking about new stadiums has me wondering when the funding, design, and construction of MMP's successor will start. They're on a 30-year lease at MMP, right? Is 2030 when we should expect them to want a new stadium?

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« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2018, 06:12:27 pm »
Thinking about new stadiums has me wondering when the funding, design, and construction of MMP's successor will start. They're on a 30-year lease at MMP, right? Is 2030 when we should expect them to want a new stadium?

I'm sure a lot of people say that MMP is closer to the end of its life than it is to the beginning.  But I also think the newer, baseball-only parks that are in good locations will fair longer than the multi-purpose monstrosities they replaced.  When the Dome was as old as MMP is now, it was ancient and out of date.  MMP is still a great place, and aside from the big ugly roof (a necessity I know, but there's no prettying it up) architecturally pleasing.  I don't think you'll see teams clamoring for new digs quite as fast as they did in the 90s/00s. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2018, 06:49:43 pm »
I have the Rays new stadium designed in my head, complete with the red brick streets surrounding it.  Not sure my design will get much of a look though.

I'm sure there's a straight path from the cigar store lady you guys talk about in the gz to an entrance.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 06:54:21 pm »
Most ranger fans were surprised,  but pleased,  that they'll be getting a new retractable roof stadium. The current stadium is perfectly fine.  Other than being an oven.

 Here It can be couched as adding a needed indoor option, but I'm suspecting most teams will try to get new digs if/when they think the public will pay for it, not whether a new park is actually needed.

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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2018, 07:57:48 pm »
I'm pretty sure I read/heard that Crane is working on a lease extension.  And it makes sense.  The ballpark is still great and the ownership group and city have invested a lot of $$ in the real estate around it.  My opinion at this time is that Minute Maid should last forever.

I would love to see a new ballpark with upper decks that are on top of the field in one section of the stadium just for the sake of novelty.  MMP and the Rangers stadium kind of have it, but nothing like the Old Comiskey or Tiger Stadium.

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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2018, 09:09:46 pm »
I'm sure there's a straight path from the cigar store lady you guys talk about in the gz to an entrance.

The new yard will be right down the street.  If course, you’ll pass a dozen other cigar shops along the way.  Cigar City.
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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2018, 09:25:44 pm »
Nice inning by Keuchel.
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2018, 09:52:02 pm »
I have the Rays new stadium designed in my head, complete with the red brick streets surrounding it.  Not sure my design will get much of a look though.

Indoor or convertible?

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2018, 10:25:04 pm »
Indoor or convertible?

A humidor is invariably indoors.
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2018, 11:43:57 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2018, 10:49:17 am »
I've actually seen this discussion in a couple other different place/articles recently regarding upper decks and also stadium footprint, and neighborhood, recently.

The common denominator in all three of them, is that for some reason not a single one mentioned a single word about Minute Maid Park (and I think all three I've seen mention the Astrodome).

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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2018, 11:47:08 am »
I've actually seen this discussion in a couple other different place/articles recently regarding upper decks and also stadium footprint, and neighborhood, recently.

The common denominator in all three of them, is that for some reason not a single one mentioned a single word about Minute Maid Park (and I think all three I've seen mention the Astrodome).

I saw a game at old Comiskey and sat in the upper level. I was lower to the field than modern stadiums for people sitting in the upper deck but because I wasn't in a lower row of the upper deck there was a limited sight line due to the overhand of the roof.  Could not see fly balls and there was a bit of a tunnel-effect. At least I didn't have a post in front of me like many. The concourses were so narrow that it was shoulder-to-shoulder getting to the seat pre-game. While I like the old parks they have many disadvantages if you don't have a primo seat.

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2018, 11:53:20 am »
I saw a game at old Comiskey and sat in the upper level. I was lower to the field than modern stadiums for people sitting in the upper deck but because I wasn't in a lower row of the upper deck there was a limited sight line due to the overhand of the roof.  Could not see fly balls and there was a bit of a tunnel-effect. At least I didn't have a post in front of me like many. The concourses were so narrow that it was shoulder-to-shoulder getting to the seat pre-game. While I like the old parks they have many disadvantages if you don't have a primo seat.

Beyond the outfield wall, down the lines, or behind the plate?
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