ALCS Game 4: Astros @ Yankees, Oct 17, 2017

[MRaup]

(Not) strike one


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Gucione is ready to go home.

[NeilT]

Bregman, Spell Check.


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You know, the most difficult movie I ever watched was an Ingmar Bregman film.  I still remember scenes from it, 40 years later, but I have no idea which one it was. 

[doyce7]

I really hate this mother fucker behind the plate

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[Limey]

I am so looking forward to the post game show. 

I mean, turning off the post game show. 


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[drew corleone]

Base runner, please.

[David in Jackson]

Giles has given up a run in all four postseason appearances. And he’s the best we’ve got.


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[Waldo]

Giles has given up a run in all four postseason appearances. And he’s the best we’ve got.


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Regardless of how the season ends, Luhnow has some work to do this offseason.

[HudsonHawk]

T9:

Bregman fouls off the first pitch...foul...ball...foul...half swings at a pitch in the dirt for a punchout

[David in Jackson]

That was a 35 min half inning.


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[NeilT]

It had a Volvo D240 in one scene.  I thought that was the greatest car ever.  It also had Liv Ullman in it.  I thought she was pretty great too.  2 outs.  3 outs.  Fuck.   

[HudsonHawk]

T9:

Gattis flies out F7 on the first pitch

Dick stomping complete, momentum gone, series tied.

[Limey]

Fuck the Yankees.  Keuchel tomorrow.  I’m pounding (Budweiser). 


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[HudsonHawk]

That was the biggest gut punch I've ever had watching baseball.

[David in Jackson]

Other than 2015 ALDS Game 4, the most painful game since the 2005 WS.


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[Waldo]

Well, this was a near complete team fail with the exception of McCullers.

[The Third Man]

Now they are really going to have to earn. This is a bad, bad loss.

[HudsonHawk]

Fuck the Yankees.  Keuchel tomorrow.  I’m pounding (Budweiser). 


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They have to win tomorrow.  Absolutely have to. 

[BudGirl]

Thanks for the pbp HH. That was not easy to do.

[doyce7]

I feel like I've been hit in the nuts with a sledge hammer

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[Limey]

Thanks for the pbp HH. That was not easy to do.

Ditto


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[David in Jackson]

8 earned runs in four games.


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[Limey]

I feel like I've been hit in the nuts with a sledge hammer

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Ditto


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[David in Jackson]

Time to start drinking.


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[NeilT]

Ditto


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Yep. 

[Aussie Astro]

Lame

[Waldo]

They have to win tomorrow.  Absolutely have to.

They can win one of Keuchel and Verlander's starts, then give McHugh the damn ball for Game 7. That's the only way I'll feel confident.

[HudsonHawk]

They can win one of Keuchel and Verlander's starts, then give McHugh the damn ball for Game 7. That's the only way I'll feel confident.

No.  They have to win the next two.  Period. 

[DVauthrin]

They can win one of Keuchel and Verlander's starts, then give McHugh the damn ball for Game 7. That's the only way I'll feel confident.

The bats need to get their heads out of their ass and stop making every Yankee look like Sandy Koufax.  And Hinch needs to realize his bullpen is not good, and manage accordingly. 

[Limey]

No.  They have to win the next two.  Period.

Keuchal to Verlander.   That’s not bad. 


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[Aussie Astro]

Keuchal to Verlander.   That’s not bad. 


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And go 9 each, that would help.

[HudsonHawk]

Keuchal to Verlander.   That’s not bad. 


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No, it's not.  But now the pressure is on.  They have to get it done. 

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Well I managed to not throw up at the Cub Scout meeting.

But not by much.

[juliogotay]

Devenski needs to sit on the bench for awhile.  He has no clue where the ball is going right now, and hasn't since the All Star Break.  He's not the same guy he was in the first half of the year.

Overworked ? 

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Overworked ?

He's seemed shaky much of the second half.  Don't know if its physical,  mental,  or both.

Butt at times he's allergic to throwing strikes.

[The Spleen]

I don't think the bullpen ever fully recovered from that mid-season siege of injuries with pretty much the whole starting rotation on the DL...

[Bench]

Now it's 2 out of 3 with home field advantage and Keuchel and Verlander pitching the first two.  If you gave me those odds in April I would have gladly taken them, and still do. 

[Aussie Astro]

He's seemed shaky much of the second half.  Don't know if its physical,  mental,  or both.

Butt at times he's allergic to throwing strikes.

The real question is who do you turn to now?

[NeilT]

The real question is who do you turn to now?

Same guys.  Them's the guys that brung us.

[Astros Fan in Big D]

Same guys.  Them's the guys that brung us.

Yep.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

They have to win tomorrow.  Absolutely have to.

It would be in their best interests and also my heart and mind's. But we're talking about the Astros who have not always acted in their best interests. Luckily there is a precedent. Three in fact where the home team won every game in a 2-3-2 format: 1987, 1991, and 2001. I think it may be that time again. That is why home field advantage is a home field advantage.

[Limey]

It would be in their best interests and also my heart and mind's. But we're talking about the Astros who have not always acted in their best interests. Luckily there is a precedent. Three in fact where the home team won every game in a 2-3-2 format: 1987, 1991, and 2001. I think it may be that time again. That is why home field advantage is a home field advantage.

We took three - amazing - games at home in the middle of the 2004 NLCS.  Then we went to St Louis and shit the bed.

Not that I want to have to win a Game #7, but the Yankees won 51 of 82 (.622) at home this year, which means the won only 42 of 82 (.512) on the road.  We are dealing with a team that knows how to win in Yankee Stadium - built to do so, in fact - but such a skill set hasn't translated so well to other ballparks.  Of their 6 post-season wins, only 1 has come on the road.

[juliogotay]

Yesterday was the 12th anniversary of the Pujols HR game.

[juliogotay]

After four ALCS games the Astros are hitting .153/.254/.220.  18 Hits in 4 games. Lucky to be tied at 2.

[Limey]

After four ALCS games the Astros are hitting .153/.254/.220.  18 Hits in 4 games. Lucky to be tied at 2.

In the first two games, we erased a couple of important baserunners - including one at the plate.  In some ways, we're fortunate still to be playing,

[Jacksonian]

In the first two games, we erased a couple of important baserunners - including one at the plate.  In some ways, we're fortunate still to be playing,

The botched rundown and a poorly located slider are the difference in being down in the 8th and going to the 9th with a 4-3 lead.

[doyce7]

The botched rundown and a poorly located slider are the difference in being down in the 8th and going to the 9th with a 4-3 lead.

Altuve not standing over the bag to catch the ball and apply the easy tag is one of the many small things that cost this game.

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[juliogotay]

Altuve not standing over the bag to catch the ball and apply the easy tag is one of the many small things that cost this game.

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Altuve, on his positioning:
He made a really good throw, but I'm 5'5" and Headley is like 6' something. He kind of blocked me, so I decided to take a step back to make sure I catch that ball, because if I don't do it I don't think I would have caught that ball.

[doyce7]

Altuve, on his positioning:
He made a really good throw, but I'm 5'5" and Headley is like 6' something. He kind of blocked me, so I decided to take a step back to make sure I catch that ball, because if I don't do it I don't think I would have caught that ball.

Fair enough. I turned off the tv after the game and didn't watch any interviews and haven't bothered to look any up this morning

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[MRaup]

Altuve, on his positioning:
He made a really good throw, but I'm 5'5" and Headley is like 6' something. He kind of blocked me, so I decided to take a step back to make sure I catch that ball, because if I don't do it I don't think I would have caught that ball.

So he's got an excuse for his bad fundamental play? Awesome.

[Jacksonian]

Altuve not standing over the bag to catch the ball and apply the easy tag is one of the many small things that cost this game.

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IMO, the problem started with Correa.  He should not have thrown the ball that quickly.  He didn't get Headley moving back to first before throwing.  If he runs at him for just a few steps he gets the ball to Yuli much closer to Headley and Headley much further from second.

[TerryPuhl21]

There are plenty of places where blame can be placed for last night, from lack of hitting, to fielding mistakes, to poor pitching to poor managing. It was a complete failure all around. My biggest issue however was with Hinch and the decisions around LMJ. Once we got up 4-0 that game became MUST WIN. I too feel he yanked LMJ too soon but my bigger issue was going to Devo. It may have been mentioned by someone in a prior post and I missed it, but was I the only Astros fan screaming at the tv for Peacock? We have already seen in the ALDS that the pen isn't reliable. Peacock has been shut down good all year for 2-3 innings. Why did we not bring him in to perhaps finish the whole game off??  I guess Hinch is saving him for game 7 if it is necessary?? It just didn't make sense to me to have one of the most consistent arms in the league all year sitting on a bench in a game that huge. I have a lot more faith in Peacock right now than perhaps anyone else in that pen. Devo looks completely lost and based on his control issues, the pressure seems to have gotten to him. Many mistakes last night but for me, this was the biggest. I would have let Peacock finish off that entire game once LMJ was pulled.

I will say this, if Keuchel departs with a lead today, regardless of what inning, sixth, seventh, eighth or ninth, Peacock should be the call.


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[mrpink]

Because I can't get yesterday's game out of my mind I just went to BrooksBaseball and counted all the missed calls by the home plate umpire last night.

The Yankees were fortunate while batting and had a net of gain of 2 pitches called in their favor.  Guccione only missed 8 calls for New York.  5 pitches were called balls that should have been strikes and 3 pitches were strikes that should have been called balls.  Frazier turned out to be the biggest benefactor with 3 missed calls going in his favor.

He missed 11 calls while the Astros were batting.  He called 10 pitches strikes that were out of the zone and only called 1 pitch a ball that was in the zone.  Gurriel and McCann were the biggest victims of the night for Houston.

That is frustrating.

[HudsonHawk]

So he's got an excuse for his bad fundamental play? Awesome.

I guess taking a step *inside* the line would have been out of the question.

[JimR]

IMO, the problem started with Correa.  He should not have thrown the ball that quickly.  He didn't get Headley moving back to first before throwing.  If he runs at him for just a few steps he gets the ball to Yuli much closer to Headley and Headley much further from second.

Watch Altuve. He directed him to throw to first. Also, Correa was in the OF, and there was a runner at third.

[JimR]

There are plenty of places where blame can be placed for last night, from lack of hitting, to fielding mistakes, to poor pitching to poor managing. It was a complete failure all around. My biggest issue however was with Hinch and the decisions around LMJ. Once we got up 4-0 that game became MUST WIN. I too feel he yanked LMJ too soon but my bigger issue was going to Devo. It may have been mentioned by someone in a prior post and I missed it, but was I the only Astros fan screaming at the tv for Peacock? We have already seen in the ALDS that the pen isn't reliable. Peacock has been shut down good all year for 2-3 innings. Why did we not bring him in to perhaps finish the whole game off??  I guess Hinch is saving him for game 7 if it is necessary?? It just didn't make sense to me to have one of the most consistent arms in the league all year sitting on a bench in a game that huge. I have a lot more faith in Peacock right now than perhaps anyone else in that pen. Devo looks completely lost and based on his control issues, the pressure seems to have gotten to him. Many mistakes last night but for me, this was the biggest. I would have let Peacock finish off that entire game once LMJ was pulled.

I will say this, if Keuchel departs with a lead today, regardless of what inning, sixth, seventh, eighth or ninth, Peacock should be the call.


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Hinch answered you because he was asked that direct question. He wanted the matchup of Devo v. their LH hitters.

[JimR]

Altuve, on his positioning:
He made a really good throw, but I'm 5'5" and Headley is like 6' something. He kind of blocked me, so I decided to take a step back to make sure I catch that ball, because if I don't do it I don't think I would have caught that ball.

I did wonder if his vision was blocked, and he definitely took a step back.