Author Topic: August 31 (Read 12637 times)

JimR · « **on:** August 31, 2017, 06:46:06 am »

I wish I had a way to scream at Luhnow to get Verlander.

I have seen enough of Fisher and Davis. 3B is resolved with Correa's return, but I do not know what the do about LF unless they put Marwin there most of the time and Reddick there when Jake plays. I assume days off do not mean much from here on.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2017, 08:30:14 am »

I too wish I had a way to scream at Luhnow. I think they need to make a move just to change the atmosphere and dynamic around this team. I did not realize until I heard it on the radio coming to work this morning, but the Astros have not won 2 games in a row SINCE THE ALL STAR BREAK!! I know we have had injuries but so have other teams. I'm really concerned and think Verlander could help, not only this year but going forward. Not holding my breath though. I know Jeff loves his toys in the minors even though most all of them have no where to play next year but the minors.

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juliogotay · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2017, 08:44:21 am »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:14 am

I too wish I had a way to scream at Luhnow. I think they need to make a move just to change the atmosphere and dynamic around this team. I did not realize until I heard it on the radio coming to work this morning, but the Astros have not won 2 games in a row SINCE THE ALL STAR BREAK!! I know we have had injuries but so have other teams. I'm really concerned and think Verlander could help, not only this year but going forward. Not holding my breath though. I know Jeff loves his toys in the minors even though most all of them have no where to play next year but the minors.

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I agree with your second sentence very much. This team has not been the same since the trade deadline. I don't see any evidence, though, that Verlander is available.

JimR · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2017, 09:06:52 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on August 31, 2017, 08:44:21 am

I agree with your second sentence very much. This team has not been the same since the trade deadline. I don't see any evidence, though, that Verlander is available.

He definitely is available. They cannot agree on a price.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2017, 09:10:23 am »

Verlander aside...I'm ready to get the fuck out of August.

MusicMan · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2017, 09:58:57 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2017, 09:10:23 am

Verlander aside...I'm ready to get the fuck out of August.

Amen

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juliogotay · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:09:25 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 09:06:52 am

He definitely is available. They cannot agree on a price.

I was watching a little of the Detroit game yesterday. Verlander on the mound in Colorado. He was very good. 6IP, 3H, only run was a Blackmon HR. He was seen in the dugout after his removal showing a trainer a shoulder. It was not the rotator part of the shoulder but the back/neck part of the shoulder. I don't know if that is why he was removed.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:23:00 am »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 08:30:14 am

I did not realize until I heard it on the radio coming to work this morning, but the Astros have not won 2 games in a row SINCE THE ALL STAR BREAK!!

This is not true. They won back to back games on July 21 and 22, 24 and 25 and August 15 and 16, 18 and 19.

They haven't won MORE than 2 in a row since the all-star break.

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:25:02 am »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 31, 2017, 09:10:23 am

Verlander aside...I'm ready to get the fuck out of August.

Its September 0, 2017 as far as I'm concerned.

JimR · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:31:52 am »

and Davis is playing again today. Yuli must be hurting.

MusicMan · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:12:51 am »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 10:31:52 am

and Davis is playing again today. Yuli must be hurting.

Hinch says he is, and that he hopes Yuli can play one of the Saturday games.

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doyce7 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:43:44 am »

Come on luhnow, go get verlander!

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Andyzipp · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2017, 12:01:57 pm »

Verlander is not happening.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2017, 12:03:35 pm »

I think Martes, Tucker, Whitley and Fisher could make Verlander happen.

doyce7 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2017, 12:06:15 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on August 31, 2017, 12:03:35 pm

I think Martes, Tucker, Whitley and Fisher could make Verlander happen.

Martes and Fisher can't be traded

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HudsonHawk · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2017, 12:26:44 pm »

BTW, Gattis back to the DL. Centeno back up.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:20:28 pm »

Well, the Tigers are working the phone because it looks like the Angels are about to land Upton.

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Jose Cruz III · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:22:59 pm »

Verlander feels like a pipe dream but i would love to have him. Then wait until midnight and sign Aoki stick him in LF and the 9 hole and watch this team take off.

All predicated on if the BBGs allow it of course.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:37:42 pm »

According to Rosenthal, Astros are acquiring Cameron Maybin, so that answers your left field question...

doyce7 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:48:04 pm »

Morosi says tigers are again looking to deal verlander.

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Andyzipp · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:51:28 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 01:48:04 pm

Morosi says tigers are again looking to deal verlander.

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I can be superhopeful that Maybin is being acquired because Fisher is being dealt as part of a package for Verlander.

doyce7 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:53:19 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on August 31, 2017, 01:51:28 pm

I can be superhopeful that Maybin is being acquired because Fisher is being dealt as part of a package for Verlander.

Fisher would have to pass through waivers, would he not?

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Andyzipp · « **Reply #22 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:57:34 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 01:53:19 pm

Fisher would have to pass through waivers, would he not?

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Maybe he did. Do we know he didn't?

doyce7 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 31, 2017, 01:59:29 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on August 31, 2017, 01:57:34 pm

Maybe he did. Do we know he didn't?

We don't know that he didn't, you are right. I haven't read either way

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BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #24 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:00:43 pm »

Is it even remotely possible that he did? I would be shocked.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #25 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:00:46 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 01:59:29 pm

We don't know that he didn't, you are right. I haven't read either way

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Me neither. I know a million years ago, Hunsicker used to put everyone who wasn't named Bagwell or Biggio through waivers, just because.

doyce7 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:00:47 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on August 31, 2017, 01:37:42 pm

According to Rosenthal, Astros are acquiring Cameron Maybin, so that answers your left field question...

Like it

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doyce7 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:04:55 pm »

Kaplan saying, Astros won a waiver claim on maybin and no other player is going the other way

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TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:19:50 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 02:04:55 pm

Kaplan saying, Astros won a waiver claim on maybin and no other player is going the other way

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Sweet!

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hostros7 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:30:31 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 02:04:55 pm

Kaplan saying, Astros won a waiver claim on maybin and no other player is going the other way

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Good. The ownerships' money is my favorite trade chip.

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geezerdonk · « **Reply #30 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:51:00 pm »

I'm wondering why the Angels jettisoned Maybin. He played a lot for them this year and reasonably well. Looks like a good move if it means no more Fisher.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #31 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:57:37 pm »

Dayan Diaz DFA'd

hostros7 · « **Reply #32 on:** August 31, 2017, 02:59:07 pm »

Quote from: geezerdonk on August 31, 2017, 02:51:00 pm

I'm wondering why the Angels jettisoned Maybin. He played a lot for them this year and reasonably well. Looks like a good move if it means no more Fisher.

I think it's because they upgraded to Justin Upton.

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JimR · « **Reply #33 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:24:59 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on August 31, 2017, 12:03:35 pm

I think Martes, Tucker, Whitley and Fisher could make Verlander happen.

Whoa! No. He's not going to trade Martes, Tucker, AND Whitley. I hope. Fisher? Sure. some combination, maybe. Not all.

Bench · « **Reply #34 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:26:24 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 04:24:59 pm

Whoa! No. He's not going to trade Martes, Tucker, AND Whitley. I hope. Fisher? Sure. some combination, maybe. Not all.

I think Navin was being facetious.

chuck · « **Reply #35 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:30:59 pm »

Quote from: Bench on August 31, 2017, 04:26:24 pm

I think Navin was being facetious.

What does that mean?

homer · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:34:08 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 04:24:59 pm

Whoa! No. He's not going to trade Martes, Tucker, AND Whitley. I hope. Fisher? Sure. some combination, maybe. Not all.

What is a main purpose of a deep and talented minor league system? Are we going to win the WS with Kuechel, McCullers and pick two of Morton, McHugh, and Fiers plus the bullpen we have after roster adjustments?

Bench · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:42:27 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 04:30:59 pm

What does that mean?

He hates these cans!

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:51:42 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 04:24:59 pm

Whoa! No. He's not going to trade Martes, Tucker, AND Whitley. I hope. Fisher? Sure. some combination, maybe. Not all.

So if that is the Tigers final offer, would you say yes or no? I lean no, would hate to lose both Whitely and Tucker, but I get the arguments about striking while the iron is hot.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:53:40 pm »

Pretty sure Martes and Fisher can't be included in a trade

JimR · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:55:17 pm »

Quote from: Bench on August 31, 2017, 04:26:24 pm

I think Navin was being facetious.

Hope so. One never knows.

Foghorn · « **Reply #41 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:55:43 pm »

I like the Maybin pick up. Costs us a spot on the 40-man roster and $1.5M, but thats it. I gotta believe the Astros are among the worst base running teams in the league and this gives the team a legit PR option. If its a 7th reliever or a PR on the playoff roster, give me the PR who can create havoc on the bases.

Now lets pull off a Daz Cameron /Rogelio Armenteros for Verlander and 25% of his salary deal and call it a day.

JimR · « **Reply #42 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:56:56 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on August 31, 2017, 04:53:40 pm

Pretty sure Martes and Fisher can't be included in a trade

Right, if they have not been through waivers.

chuck · « **Reply #43 on:** August 31, 2017, 04:59:54 pm »

Quote from: Foghorn on August 31, 2017, 04:55:43 pm

I like the Maybin pick up. Costs us a spot on the 40-man roster and $1.5M, but thats it. I gotta believe the Astros are among the worst base running teams in the league and this gives the team a legit PR option. If its a 7th reliever or a PR on the playoff roster, give me the PR who can create havoc on the bases.

Another obvious positive is less playing time for Beltran.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #44 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:01:32 pm »

Quote from: JimR on August 31, 2017, 04:56:56 pm

Right, if they have not been through waivers.

And impossible to believe they could go through waivers

JimR · « **Reply #45 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:05:21 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 04:59:54 pm

Another obvious positive is less playing time for Beltran.

He won't affect Beltran's ABs.

homer · « **Reply #46 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:06:15 pm »

The Angels got Upton for Grayson Long and a player to be named later or cash. Upton has an opt out after the season that he told the Tigers he would exercise due to the rebuilding effort. If GC was interested in upgrading LF, they could have had Upton for what appears to be very little in return, and likely very little long term risk.

What would be Grayson Long's comp in the Astros organization?

JimR · « **Reply #47 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:08:47 pm »

Quote from: homer on August 31, 2017, 05:06:15 pm

The Angels got Upton for Grayson Long and a player to be named later or cash. Upton has an opt out after the season that he told the Tigers he would exercise due to the rebuilding effort. If GC was interested in upgrading LF, they could have had Upton for what appears to be very little in return, and likely very little long term risk.

What would be Grayson Long's comp in the Astros organization?

How do you know "could have had?" Did someone say no to Upton?

doyce7 · « **Reply #48 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:13:58 pm »

Quote from: homer on August 31, 2017, 05:06:15 pm

The Angels got Upton for Grayson Long and a player to be named later or cash. Upton has an opt out after the season that he told the Tigers he would exercise due to the rebuilding effort. If GC was interested in upgrading LF, they could have had Upton for what appears to be very little in return, and likely very little long term risk.

What would be Grayson Long's comp in the Astros organization?

If he's on a good team, I'd say he's more likely to opt in. So if you're gonna trade for him, you need to be willing to take his money long term.

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Jacksonian · « **Reply #49 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:27:29 pm »

Quote from: doyce7 on August 31, 2017, 05:13:58 pm

If he's on a good team, I'd say he's more likely to opt in. So if you're gonna trade for him, you need to be willing to take his money long term.

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Fisher is the plan for next year. If Luhnow wanted Upton he would have dealt for him.

JimR · « **Reply #50 on:** August 31, 2017, 05:46:20 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 05:27:29 pm

Fisher is the plan for next year. If Luhnow wanted Upton he would have dealt for him.

He was the plan for the second half too. Not ready.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #51 on:** August 31, 2017, 06:03:23 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 05:27:29 pm

Fisher is the plan for next year. If Luhnow wanted Upton he would have dealt for him.

If Beltran is not brought back, Fisher should be in an open competition for the one open lineup spot heading into 2018. And the Astros have Kyle Tucker in the minors who will be pushing for a starting spot in the next few years.

If they acquired Verlander, the Astros would have control of him through 2019 unless they would rather give him an opt out now to not take on as much future salary.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #52 on:** August 31, 2017, 06:54:46 pm »

Detroit Free Press‏Verified account @freep 17m17 minutes ago
Facing midnight deadline, Detroit Tigers likely to wait to trade Justin Verlander http://on.freep.com/2vvxmQ7

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Makes sense, unless someone just blows them away with an offer, aka 2 top line prospects, plus others.

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #53 on:** August 31, 2017, 07:19:25 pm »

From Bob Nightengale

The #Astros have the top prospects, but aren't offering them for #Tigers Verlander. The #Cubs willing to pay the money, but thin farm system

JimR · « **Reply #54 on:** August 31, 2017, 07:42:07 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on August 31, 2017, 07:19:25 pm

From Bob Nightengale

The #Astros have the top prospects, but aren't offering them for #Tigers Verlander. The #Cubs willing to pay the money, but thin farm system

I wish we knew the parties' positions.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #55 on:** August 31, 2017, 08:17:21 pm »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on August 31, 2017, 07:19:25 pm

From Bob Nightengale

The #Astros have the top prospects, but aren't offering them for #Tigers Verlander. The #Cubs willing to pay the money, but thin farm system

Luhnow has been clear. He's not going to mortgage the future for the present.

doyce7 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 31, 2017, 08:27:07 pm »

Crasnick saying a source tells him trade talks for verlander are "dead"

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Foghorn · « **Reply #57 on:** August 31, 2017, 09:04:37 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 08:17:21 pm

Luhnow has been clear. He's not going to mortgage the future for the present.

Luhnow could add a Britton, or a Gray, or a JD Martinez or even a Verlander without mortgaging the future.

Now if they want Whitley and Tucker.....fuck em.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 31, 2017, 09:47:19 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 08:17:21 pm

Luhnow has been clear. He's not going to mortgage the future for the present.

I'm so glad we have a GM looking to position us for the WS in 2019. We obviously have no shot this year.

Sheesh.....

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The Spleen · « **Reply #59 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:05:33 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 09:47:19 pm

I'm so glad we have a GM looking to position us for the WS in 2019. We obviously have no shot this year.

Sheesh.....

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Luhnow's probably influenced by two things:

His experience with the Cardinals, which taught him that if you just stay in contention every year, good things will eventually happen. Of course most teams in that situation won't have the same luck in the postseason as his Cardinals.

His boss, who's been crying poor like he's auditioning for the lead in Oliver Twist. Luhnow may be hoarding prospects to hedge against a possible teardown in a few years. This is especially true after Harvey. Nobody knows yet what that will do to attendance and other revenue.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #60 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:14:35 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 31, 2017, 10:05:33 pm

His boss, who's been crying poor like he's auditioning for the lead in Oliver Twist. Luhnow may be hoarding prospects to hedge against a possible teardown in a few years. This is especially true after Harvey. Nobody knows yet what that will do to attendance and other revenue.

This is horseshit.

jbm · « **Reply #61 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:17:02 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 09:47:19 pm

I'm so glad we have a GM looking to position us for the WS in 2019. We obviously have no shot this year.

Sheesh.....

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Sure is a lot of panic around here, and ingratitude towards a GM who has far surpassed almost everyone's expectations. Verlander or not, they are capable of winning it all this year, thanks to an apparently clueless GM.

Anit · « **Reply #62 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:24:27 pm »

Mark Berman on Twitter:

Mark Berman‏ @MarkBermanFox26 2m2 minutes ago
According to MLB sources the #Astros are on the verge of landing pitcher Justin Verlander in a trade with the Tigers.

Added note says: According to MLB sources, the Astros are on the verge of landing pitcher Justin Verlander. Sources say the teams have agreed on players and money and are now working through the medicals and getting MLB approval.

austro · « **Reply #63 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:24:52 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 31, 2017, 10:05:33 pm

His boss, who's been crying poor like he's auditioning for the lead in Oliver Twist.

I'll need to see some bona fide documentation before I buy into this. As far as I can tell, this is still just speculation.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #64 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:28:43 pm »

Deal done, Verlander didnt waive no-trade

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #65 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:30:04 pm »

what a kick in the nuts.

austro · « **Reply #66 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:32:05 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on August 31, 2017, 10:28:43 pm

Deal done, Verlander didnt waive no-trade

Cite?

ETA: Or by "done" do you mean "dead"?

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #67 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:32:23 pm »

All over Twitter, reputable sources

Anit · « **Reply #68 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:34:47 pm »

Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosky 8m8 minutes ago
The Tigers get-back for Verlander was believed to include, Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron and possibly Jake Rodgers. Again, deal is off.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #69 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:35:29 pm »

We'll see who gets the last laugh when I steal Kate Upton

The Spleen · « **Reply #70 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:40:45 pm »

They didn't ask Verlander about his willingness to waive no-trade rights for the teams involved while negotiations were underway? It's not like they had a whole month or anything...
Or did Harvey change his mind?

homer · « **Reply #71 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:41:28 pm »

Quote from: The Spleen on August 31, 2017, 10:40:45 pm

Or did Harvey change his mind?

Why would Harvey change his mind?

DVauthrin · « **Reply #72 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:41:54 pm »

Damn. What is it with pitchers and not waiving no trade clauses to play for the Astros? First Hamels, now Verlander. Lunhow did what we all wanted to see, kudos to him for getting the deal done.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #73 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:43:35 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 31, 2017, 10:41:54 pm

Damn. What is it with pitchers and not waiving no trade clauses to play for the Astros? First Hamels, now Verlander. Lunhow did what we all wanted to see, kudos to him for getting the deal done.

If only Crane wasn't so fkn cheap

DVauthrin · « **Reply #74 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:45:19 pm »

Quote from: BizidyDizidy on August 31, 2017, 10:35:29 pm

We'll see who gets the last laugh when I steal Kate Upton

It's likely her fault he rejected the trade. Apparently, he's narrowed his desired teams to Chicago or LA. She probably didn't want to live in Houston.

juliogotay · « **Reply #75 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:53:04 pm »

Quote from: Anit on August 31, 2017, 10:34:47 pm

Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosky 8m8 minutes ago
The Tigers get-back for Verlander was believed to include, Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron and possibly Jake Rodgers. Again, deal is off.

If true this would have been a sweet deal for Astros.

homer · « **Reply #76 on:** August 31, 2017, 10:57:58 pm »

Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosk

The Verlander deal was nixed either because he vetoed it, or because the Astros got cold feet and pulled back part of their offer. Not clear

DVauthrin · « **Reply #77 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:08:12 pm »

Quote from: homer on August 31, 2017, 10:57:58 pm

Chris McCosky‏ @cmccosk

The Verlander deal was nixed either because he vetoed it, or because the Astros got cold feet and pulled back part of their offer. Not clear

Both narratives suck, but I hope it was nixed by Verlander and not Lunhow having 2nd thoughts.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #78 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:11:52 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 31, 2017, 11:08:12 pm

Both narratives suck, but I hope it was nixed by Verlander and not Lunhow having 2nd thoughts.

The latest report was Verlander said no. Luhnow had a deal with the Tigers.

chuck · « **Reply #79 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:16:26 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 11:11:52 pm

The latest report was Verlander said no. Luhnow had a deal with the Tigers.

The apparent alternatives would be that Luhnow got cold feet given the prospects going the other way or that Crane nixed it due to salary. I don't see either of those being the case. Why would Luhnow push for something and then back out at the last moment? And why would this get to the last possible minute (almost literally) without Crane's approval?

It has to be that Verlander said no.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #80 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:19:31 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:16:26 pm

The apparent alternatives would be that Luhnow got cold feet given the prospects going the other way or that Crane nixed it due to salary. I don't see either of those being the case. Why would Luhnow push for something and then back out at the last moment? And why would this get to the last possible minute (almost literally) without Crane's approval?

It has to be that Verlander said no.

The first report from Detroit was either Luhnow got cold feet or Verlander said no. The follow up was clarification that it was Verlander saying no.

astrojo · « **Reply #81 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:21:43 pm »

Deal done! He's an astro

chuck · « **Reply #82 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:22:08 pm »

Now he's saying it's happening.

homer · « **Reply #83 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:22:13 pm »

Verlander an Astro

astrojo · « **Reply #84 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:22:40 pm »

Per nightengale

homer · « **Reply #85 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:23:04 pm »

anthony fenech Verified account
@anthonyfenech

The Tigers have traded Justin Verlander to the Astros, I'm told.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #86 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:23:54 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on August 31, 2017, 11:11:52 pm

The latest report was Verlander said no. Luhnow had a deal with the Tigers.

Edited since Verlander agreed to waive his no trade to come to Houston. Way to go Lunhow. Let's go get the World Series.

chuck · « **Reply #87 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:25:01 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 31, 2017, 11:23:54 pm

The Detroit beat writer's previous tweet said Verlander was responsible for nixing the deal. His latest tweet now claims it isn't clear whether Verlander nixed the deal or the Astros got cold feet.

My guess is that he put the second tweet out there to cover Verlander, whom he has a good relationship with. Or Verlander asked for concessions to waive his no trade clause that the Astros weren't willing to grant.

You're living in MDT.

chuck · « **Reply #88 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:25:33 pm »

Poor Jim's not going to know about this until he wakes up at 4:30.

DVauthrin · « **Reply #89 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:27:09 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:25:01 pm

You're living in MDT.

Yep, things can change rapidly in a minute these days.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #90 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:29:05 pm »

Did Luhnow do this without giving up Tucker or Whitley???

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astrojo · « **Reply #91 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:29:08 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:25:33 pm

Poor Jim's not going to know about this until he wakes up at 4:30.

I can't believe he's not up checking now!

DVauthrin · « **Reply #92 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:29:47 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 11:29:05 pm

Did Luhnow do this without giving up Tucker or Whitley???

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Perez, Cameron and Jake Rodgers, so yes.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #93 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:30:26 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 11:29:05 pm

Did Luhnow do this without giving up Tucker or Whitley???

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Any news on who is a former Astro bus rider?

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #94 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:30:32 pm »

Luhnow is a fucking genius!!!!!

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juliogotay · « **Reply #95 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:31:27 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 11:29:05 pm

Did Luhnow do this without giving up Tucker or Whitley???

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AS per reports the deal has Detroit receiving Cameron, Rogers and Franklin Perez. Perez the 4th highest Houston prospect per the rating services being the highest prospect leaving.

VirtualBob · « **Reply #96 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:31:49 pm »

Quote from: DVauthrin on August 31, 2017, 11:29:47 pm

Perez, Cameron and Jake Rodgers, so yes.

Perez may hurt but he won't win us the ring in 2018. We'll done.

chuck · « **Reply #97 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:36:34 pm »

Perez is 19. Yes, he's in AA now. But someone be sure to let me know when he starts getting Cy Young votes.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #98 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:36:52 pm »

I figured that if this was done it would AT LEAST cost us Tucker or Whitley. To pull this off without sending either one of them is incredible.

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doyce7 · « **Reply #99 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:37:08 pm »

Holy fucking shit! I'm not going to be able to sleep now and that's completely fine!

Luhnow is a fucking madman.

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Ebby Calvin · « **Reply #100 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:38:46 pm »

Praise Jeebus

chuck · « **Reply #101 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:40:27 pm »

I think the only remaining question we have is does Biz still go after Kate or what the dilly-o?

homer · « **Reply #102 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:44:04 pm »

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#Cubs had been Verlander's first choice. He wanted to let that play out as long as possible. He agreed to #Astros deal at final minute. @MLB

chuck · « **Reply #103 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:50:03 pm »

Just playing with the pieces, the bullpen starts to look pretty formidable. Imagine how ludicrous it would be had they managed to land Wilson or Britton.

TerryPuhl21 · « **Reply #104 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:54:04 pm »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:50:03 pm

Just playing with the pieces, the bullpen starts to look pretty formidable. Imagine how ludicrous it would be had they managed to land Wilson or Britton.

Agree. I'm assuming that Peacock goes back to the pen and that makes a really big addition back there. If LMJ is totally healthy, I'm guessing Morton stays in the rotation and Fiers is the odd man out.

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chuck · « **Reply #105 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:59:32 pm »

Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 31, 2017, 11:54:04 pm

Agree. I'm assuming that Peacock goes back to the pen and that makes a really big addition back there. If LMJ is totally healthy, I'm guessing Morton stays in the rotation and Fiers is the odd man out.

I'm with Navin on the Peacock question. I'm with you on Fiers.

homer · « **Reply #106 on:** August 31, 2017, 11:59:56 pm »

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Sources: Tigers are sending significant money to Houston as part of the Verlander deal. Believed to be at least $10 million.

astrojo · « **Reply #107 on:** September 01, 2017, 12:02:07 am »

Quote from: homer on August 31, 2017, 11:59:56 pm

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Sources: Tigers are sending significant money to Houston as part of the Verlander deal. Believed to be at least $10 million.

I read we pay2/3 so sounds right

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #108 on:** September 01, 2017, 12:08:40 am »

Quote from: homer on August 31, 2017, 11:59:56 pm

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Sources: Tigers are sending significant money to Houston as part of the Verlander deal. Believed to be at least $10 million.

Cheap ass Crane!

/sarcasm

doyce7 · « **Reply #109 on:** September 01, 2017, 12:13:06 am »

Astros also getting a ptbnl or cash also

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doyce7 · « **Reply #110 on:** September 01, 2017, 12:37:15 am »

Just saw tigers are paying 8 million per year of his salary

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LonghornCDR · « **Reply #111 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:14:34 am »

Do we know if Verlander added the opt-out clause to his contract when he waived the no trade? Or is that pretty much automatic? Per the latest CBA he had that right.

doyce7 · « **Reply #112 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:21:21 am »

Quote from: LonghornCDR on September 01, 2017, 01:14:34 am

Do we know if Verlander added the opt-out clause to his contract when he waived the no trade? Or is that pretty much automatic? Per the latest CBA he had that right.

Morosi said on Twitter that there is no indication that it was part of the deal. Also not much point in tigers paying part of his contract if the opt out was negotiated

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LonghornCDR · « **Reply #113 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:30:50 am »

Quote from: doyce7 on September 01, 2017, 01:21:21 am

Morosi said on Twitter that there is no indication that it was part of the deal. Also not much point in tigers paying part of his contract if the opt out was negotiated

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That's what I was hoping and thinking based on the terms of the deal that we know. Just wondering if there has been confirmation anywhere.

JimR · « **Reply #114 on:** September 01, 2017, 03:56:24 am »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:25:33 pm

Poor Jim's not going to know about this until he wakes up at 4:30.

3:30. I woke up to pee and foolishly looked at my phone. I saw the At Bat notification about the trade. I tried to go back to sleep, but here I am, a little after 4, drinking coffee and reading the TZ thread from after I gave up and returned to my book then sleep. 4 am and reading about a baseball trade. I told you I am addicted.

ETA: I have a mild case of whiplash reading folks change the narrative from "Crane is cheap and crying poor, and Luhnow is a gutless incompetent" to "OUR OWNER AND GM ROCK!"

This has to be a tremendous shot in the arm for our players, and let's hope Correa comes back strong, and we surge in September. Maybin will help too, and I hope Fisher is the PR/5th OFer, not him. I also hope Verlander did not add the opt out and he apologizes to someone for saying no to the trade even temporarily.

Jose Cruz III · « **Reply #115 on:** September 01, 2017, 04:24:08 am »

Quote from: JimR on September 01, 2017, 03:56:24 am

3:30. I woke up to pee and foolishly looked at my phone. I saw the At Bat notification about the trade. I tried to go back to sleep, but here I am, a little after 4, drinking coffee and reading the TZ thread from after I gave up and returned to my book then sleep. 4 am and reading about a baseball trade. I told you I am addicted.

Basically the same story. I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

JimR · « **Reply #116 on:** September 01, 2017, 04:27:28 am »

Quote from: Jose Cruz III on September 01, 2017, 04:24:08 am

Basically the same story. I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

Exactly the feeling

Astros Fan in Big D · « **Reply #117 on:** September 01, 2017, 05:37:17 am »

Happy September 1!!

And fuck you, August.

BizidyDizidy · « **Reply #118 on:** September 01, 2017, 07:18:06 am »

Quote from: chuck on August 31, 2017, 11:40:27 pm

I think the only remaining question we have is does Biz still go after Kate or what the dilly-o?

How am I supposed to deal with this kind of whiplash? Now I have to see if I can reconcile things with my wife..

juliogotay · « **Reply #119 on:** September 01, 2017, 07:40:47 am »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on September 01, 2017, 05:37:17 am

Happy September 1!!

And fuck you, August.

Maybe Verlander never happens if August doesn't happen?

Navin R Johnson · « **Reply #120 on:** September 01, 2017, 08:03:38 am »

Outside of the obvious talent upgrade, I can only imagine the shot in the arm this is to the clubhouse. The guys absolutely have to be ecstatic.

juliogotay · « **Reply #121 on:** September 01, 2017, 08:10:20 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 01, 2017, 08:03:38 am

Outside of the obvious talent upgrade, I can only imagine the shot in the arm this is to the clubhouse. The guys absolutely have to be ecstatic.

Go ask Keuchel. He seems to speak for them. Which with his status should be expected.

JimR · « **Reply #122 on:** September 01, 2017, 08:23:52 am »

Quote from: juliogotay on September 01, 2017, 08:10:20 am

Go ask Keuchel. He seems to speak for them. Which with his status should be expected.

Not sure I think he does.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #123 on:** September 01, 2017, 08:38:17 am »

Quote from: JimR on September 01, 2017, 08:23:52 am

Not sure I think he does.

But he thinks he does, so he's got that going for him...

Bench · « **Reply #124 on:** September 01, 2017, 09:39:40 am »

Quote from: Navin R Johnson on September 01, 2017, 08:03:38 am

Outside of the obvious talent upgrade, I can only imagine the shot in the arm this is to the clubhouse. The guys absolutely have to be ecstatic.

Except James Hoyt. Everybody's celebration basically is a message to him that they can't win with him.

das · « **Reply #125 on:** September 01, 2017, 09:45:39 am »

Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on September 01, 2017, 05:37:17 am

Happy September 1!!

And fuck you, August.

+1

Jose Cruz III · « **Reply #126 on:** September 01, 2017, 11:25:25 am »

Quote from: Bench on September 01, 2017, 09:39:40 am

Except James Hoyt. Everybody's celebration basically is a message to him that they can't win with him.

Sometimes the numbers are what they are. Hoyt has done some good work out of the pen this year. He had struggled lately and had options but he'll be back and help this team win some games down the stretch.

Bench · « **Reply #127 on:** September 01, 2017, 11:27:15 am »

Quote from: Jose Cruz III on September 01, 2017, 11:25:25 am

Sometimes the numbers are what they are. Hoyt has done some good work out of the pen this year. He had struggled lately and had options but he'll be back and help this team win some games down the stretch.

Right, but on August 1 everyone seemed really concerned about Hoyt's feelings with regard to Keuchel and Reddick's disappointment that a trade wasn't made. Nobody gives a shit now and rightfully so.

JimR · « **Reply #128 on:** September 01, 2017, 11:50:48 am »

Quote from: Bench on September 01, 2017, 11:27:15 am

Right, but on August 1 everyone seemed really concerned about Hoyt's feelings with regard to Keuchel and Reddick's disappointment that a trade wasn't made. Nobody gives a shit now and rightfully so.

Hoyt's feelings? Who ever cared about them other than his near miss making the team after a very good spring? I agree he was very good out of the pen early and will be back.

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #129 on:** September 01, 2017, 12:36:18 pm »

Quote from: Bench on September 01, 2017, 09:39:40 am

Except James Hoyt. Everybody's celebration basically is a message to him that they can't win with him.

I don't think that's the message at all. If Hoyt thought he was a difference maker, he's less self aware than I ever thought.

Andyzipp · « **Reply #130 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:09:49 pm »

Quote from: JimR on September 01, 2017, 11:50:48 am

Hoyt's feelings? Who ever cared about them other than his near miss making the team after a very good spring? I agree he was very good out of the pen early and will be back.

I don't think it was necessarily Hoyt's feelings as much as the disagreement about Keuchel and Reddick(?) going public with their disappointment. Which led to a discussion of teammates interpreting Keuchel's bitching as saying the guys in the clubhouse weren't good enough.

Jacksonian · « **Reply #131 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:28:51 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on September 01, 2017, 01:09:49 pm

I don't think it was necessarily Hoyt's feelings as much as the disagreement about Keuchel and Reddick(?) going public with their disappointment. Which led to a discussion of teammates interpreting Keuchel's bitching as saying the guys in the clubhouse weren't good enough.

That was me. I was betting he didn't say to the players' faces that they should be replaced by better players.

Bench · « **Reply #132 on:** September 01, 2017, 01:57:18 pm »

Quote from: Jacksonian on September 01, 2017, 01:28:51 pm

That was me. I was betting he didn't say to the players' faces that they should be replaced by better players.

Yeah, I don't think any of the players were implicated individually, just like being happy about the trade shouldn't implicate anyone individually. I assume the expanded September roster will prevent any player being moved off the 25 man (though the fineries of roster play often escape me).

HudsonHawk · « **Reply #133 on:** September 01, 2017, 02:05:18 pm »

Quote from: Bench on September 01, 2017, 01:57:18 pm

Yeah, I don't think any of the players were implicated individually, just like being happy about the trade shouldn't implicate anyone individually. I assume the expanded September roster will prevent any player being moved off the 25 man (though the fineries of roster play often escape me).

There is no more 25-man roster. Everyone on the 40-man is eligible to play in any game.

Fredia · « **Reply #134 on:** September 01, 2017, 02:20:17 pm »

so who is moving on up?

Bench · « **Reply #135 on:** September 01, 2017, 02:21:14 pm »

Quote from: HudsonHawk on September 01, 2017, 02:05:18 pm

There is no more 25-man roster. Everyone on the 40-man is eligible to play in any game.

Sign Aoki!

JimR · « **Reply #136 on:** September 01, 2017, 05:07:00 pm »

Quote from: Andyzipp on September 01, 2017, 01:09:49 pm

I don't think it was necessarily Hoyt's feelings as much as the disagreement about Keuchel and Reddick(?) going public with their disappointment. Which led to a discussion of teammates interpreting Keuchel's bitching as saying the guys in the clubhouse weren't good enough.

This

astrojo · « **Reply #137 on:** October 14, 2017, 12:52:08 am »

Via Tigers Twitter: To complete the Justin Verlander trade, OF Juan Ramirez has been acquired by the Astros as the player to be named later.

mrpink · « **Reply #138 on:** October 14, 2017, 07:05:52 am »

Good thing Avila didn't get the memo about walking away when Luhnow asks for a guy in the low minors.
I had forgotten about the PTBNL so this is a nice surprise.