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Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« on: August 20, 2017, 12:03:31 pm »
Your lineups for today's home matinee:

Athletics

CFBoog Powell (L)
SSMarcus Semien (R)
LFMatt Joyce (L)
2BJed Lowrie (S)
DHRyon Healy (R)
1BMatt Olson (L)
RFChad Pinder (R)
3BMatt Chapman (R)
CDustin Garneau (R)

OAK: Jharel Cotton (R)  (5-10, 5.83)

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DH George Springer (R)
SS Alex Bregman (R)
2B Jose Altuve (R)
RF Josh Reddick (L)
1B Marwin Gonzalez (S)
3B J.D. Davis (R)
LF Derek Fisher (L)
C Juan Centeno (L)
CF Jake Marisnick (R)

HOU: Brad Peacock (R)  (10-1, 3.30)
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 01:15:14 pm »
Well that was ugly...would be double play ball turns into infield Little League home run on two throwing errors...2-0 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2017, 01:20:18 pm »
T1:

Powell singles to RF
Semien grounds to SS...Bregman throws it past Altuve at 2B into RF...Powell comes around to score, Semien to 2B...trying for 3B, Marwin throws it into LF, Semien scores
Joyce grounds out 4-3
Lowrie strikes out swinging
Healy grounds to SS...shift on, no one there...single to LF
Olson strikes out swinging

2-0 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2017, 01:23:50 pm »
The Astros official scorer is an idiot.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 01:25:13 pm »
I haven't officially kept score in a long time and am not sure why Semian was given a single as that ruling also implies that Powell reaches second on a single.  A routine throw by Bregman nails Powell at second.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2017, 01:29:25 pm »
Quote from: jbm on August 20, 2017, 01:25:13 pm
I haven't officially kept score in a long time and am not sure why Semian was given a single as that ruling also implies that Powell reaches second on a single.  A routine throw by Bregman nails Powell at second.

Because the scorer is an idiot.  He has been all year. 
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2017, 01:35:19 pm »
B1:

Springer...full count...draws a leadoff walk
Bregman flies out F8 on the first pitch
Altuve...0-2...1-2...2-2...pops out F3
Reddick...3-1...walks, Springer to 2B
Marwin...3-1...pops out F5

2-0 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2017, 01:42:54 pm »
T2:

Pinder singles to LF on the first pitch
Chapman pops out F4
Garneau...0-2...1-2...strikes out swinging
Powell at the plate...PInder thrown out 2-6 trying to steal 2B

2-0 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 01:46:46 pm »
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 01:48:12 pm »
B2:

Davis...0-2...grounds out 6-3
Fisher grounds back to the mount...Cotton reaches out and knocks it down with his bare hand, throws him out 1-3
Centeno pops out to shallow LF

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 01:58:11 pm »
T3:

Powell, who was at the plate with two strikes when the previous inning ended...singles to CF on the first pitch
Semien...0-2...1-2...pops out F4
Joyce...0-2...strikes out swinging
Lowrie strikes out swinging

2-0 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 02:00:19 pm »
Really?  The Astros have already declared themselves division champs?
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2017, 02:00:55 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 20, 2017, 01:23:50 pm
The Astros official scorer is an idiot.

Maybe that's why today's broadcast is dedicated to teaching people to keep score.


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2017, 02:01:02 pm »
Let's hope the BBGs don't pay close attention to the Astros trivia questions on Sunday afternoon.


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 02:02:53 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 20, 2017, 02:00:19 pm
Really?  The Astros have already declared themselves division champs?
That talk is so fucking annoying.

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2017, 02:05:51 pm »
Marisnick with a leadoff double, Springer moves him over and a sac fly from Bregman cuts the lead in half
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2017, 02:08:06 pm »
B3:

Marisnick doubles to LCF for the Astros first knock
Springer grounds out 4-3, Marisnick to 3B
Bregman...infield back...sac fly to RF, Marisnick scores
Altuve...3-1...3-2 on a slider in the dirt...grounds out 6-3

2-1 As
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2017, 02:16:07 pm »
T4:

Healy...0-2...strikes out swinging
Olson...0-2...1-2...2-2...3-2...flies out F7
Pinder strikes out swinging

2-1 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2017, 02:21:08 pm »
Cotton has been a fucking train wreck all year, but the Astros are making him look like Greg Maddux.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2017, 02:22:52 pm »
B4:

Reddick grounds out 3U on a very close play
Marwin...0-2...1-2...grounds out 4-3
Davis strikes out swinging

2-1 As
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2017, 02:34:43 pm »
T5:

Chapman...0-2...strikes out looking
Garneau...3-1...3-2...walks
Powell...3-0...walks on four pitches, Garneau to 2B
Semien...0-2...soft liner to SS, Bregman flips to 2B to try to double off Garneau, but just an instant too late...Hinch challenging...very close...looks too close to overturn to me...but they do...6-4 double play

2-1 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2017, 02:40:06 pm »
B5:

Fisher flies out F8
Centeno flies out F8
Marisnick strikes out swinging

2-1 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2017, 02:42:19 pm »
JV squad with only one hit against this scrub
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2017, 02:45:41 pm »
Good grief.

Wake up,  bats.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2017, 02:49:14 pm »
Davis has to make that play.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2017, 02:49:59 pm »
Peacock out with one out and two on the 6th...after the defense has stepped on his dick for him.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2017, 02:50:33 pm »
Quote from: austro on August 20, 2017, 02:49:14 pm
Davis has to make that play.

Overall, Davis has pretty much been awful on defense.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2017, 02:52:46 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 20, 2017, 02:50:33 pm
Overall, Davis has pretty much been awful on defense.

Exactly! Offense, too.  I just do not understand why he is here, period.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2017, 02:53:10 pm »
A;s with the bases drunk...one out...
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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2017, 02:54:04 pm »
Quote from: astrojo on August 20, 2017, 02:52:46 pm
Exactly! Offense, too.  I just do not understand why he is here, period.

Well, it's him or Tyler White.  As Jim keep alluding too, they must be trying to showcase Davis.  Only they're showcasing how woefully unready he is.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2017, 02:56:21 pm »
Giving runs away.  Again.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2017, 02:56:29 pm »
Passed ball plates another run...runners at the corners...two out...
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2017, 02:57:19 pm »
Nice play by Centeno to hang on to that throw. Needed that since he F'ed up with the passed ball.


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2017, 02:57:33 pm »
T6:

Joyce flies out F9
Lowrie singles to RF
Healy...3-0...3-1...chops to 3B...Davis with alligator arms and it eats him up...Lowrie to 2B...naturally the idiot scorekeeper scores it a single, but it's another should be double play ball that the Astros botched today

That's all for Peacock, Martes in

Olson...0-2...singles to CF, Lowrie to 3B, Healy to 2B
Passed ball...Lowrie scores, Healy to 3B, Olson to 2B
Pinder grounds into FC, Healy out 3-2 at the plate, Olson to 3B
Chapman strikes out looking

Another unearned run...3-1 A's

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2017, 02:58:28 pm »
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 20, 2017, 02:57:19 pm
Nice play by Centeno to hang on to that throw. Needed that since he F'ed up with the passed ball.


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Well, he got crossed up.  Not sure whose fuckup that was.
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2017, 02:59:46 pm »
Quote from: HudsonHawk on August 20, 2017, 02:56:29 pm
Passed ball plates another run...runners at the corners...two out...
I don't know if it is unfamiliarity with the pitchers or if he is like that normally, but Centeno seems to be a little iffy defensively behind the plate. I love his arm, but he's not as good a receiver as Stassi.


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2017, 03:00:50 pm »
 Gameday boxscore says 3 runs to Peacock,  2 earned.

Seems wrong based on how they were plated.  But what do I know?
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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2017, 03:02:29 pm »
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on August 20, 2017, 03:00:50 pm
Gameday boxscore says 3 runs to Peacock,  2 earned.

Seems wrong based on how they were plated.  But what do I know?

TV is saying two unearned, which seems correct to me.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2017, 03:04:20 pm »
It is time to knock Cotton around guys!!!


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2017, 03:05:08 pm »
Astros put a couple on in the 6th...one out...
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2017, 03:05:24 pm »
I would sure love for Josh to WHOO one to right field bleachers here.....


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2017, 03:05:38 pm »
Quote from: Astros Fan in Big D on August 20, 2017, 03:00:50 pm
Gameday boxscore says 3 runs to Peacock,  2 earned.

Seems wrong based on how they were plated.  But what do I know?

Two are officially unearned.  All three should have been.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2017, 03:08:30 pm »
Well that STINKS!!!


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2017, 03:08:36 pm »
B6:

Springer grounds out 5-3
Bregman singles to CF on the first pitch...only the second hit of the game for the Astros
Altuve...3-1...walks, Bregman to 2B
Reddick pops out F3...infield fly in effect...but, Bregman doubled off of 2B anyway

More dickstepping

3-1 A's
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2017, 03:09:57 pm »
Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2017, 03:19:54 pm »
Couple of "the shift fucked me" hits, and an intentionally walk...A's have the bases juiced, two out...
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« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2017, 03:21:51 pm »
T7:

Garneau lines out to RF
Powell...full count...grounds to SS...shift on, no one there
Sermien...0-2...takes strike three for ball one...strikes out swinging
Joyce...check swing soft liner to 3B...shift on, so no one is there...double...Powell to 3B
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2017, 03:26:20 pm »
Marwin!!!

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« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2017, 03:26:27 pm »
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2017, 03:31:17 pm »
Fisher pretty much an automatic out as well.  Frustrating we gave up Aoki for his wasted opportunity.
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« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2017, 03:32:39 pm »
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2017, 03:34:28 pm »
Astros on the corners...two out...
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2017, 03:35:38 pm »
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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2017, 03:37:13 pm »
Marisnick has to try to take 2B here 0-2...
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2017, 03:37:43 pm »
B7:

Marwin homers to RCF
Davis grounds out 5-3
Fisher grounds out 67-3
Centeno singles to LF on the first pitch

That's it for Cotton...the greatest outing of his career...Hatcher in

Marisnick singles to RF, Centeno to 3B
Springer...quickly 0-2...strikes out swinging

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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2017, 03:38:09 pm »
Springer got fucking carved up there.
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« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2017, 03:43:56 pm »
This has been a pretty shitty display against a not very good team.
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« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2017, 03:46:49 pm »
This has not been a defensive clinic. 
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« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2017, 03:47:35 pm »
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This has not been a defensive clinic. 

Well, in a way, it has.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2017, 03:47:54 pm »
T8:

Musgrove in...

Olson hit by pitch
Wild pitch on 0-2, Olson to 2B
Pinder...0-2...1-2...flies out F8
Chapman...0-2...grounds out 5-3
Passed ball...Olson to 3B
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3-2 still
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2017, 04:04:23 pm »
B7:

Bregman singles to LF

Hatcher out...Treinen in...

Altuve...takes strike one in his eyes...takes strike two down the middle...bounces back to the mound...Treinin to 2B...Semien drops it...recovers to get Bregman, but no chance at Altuve who reaches on the FC
Reddick...0-2...strikes out swinging at a pitch that bounces in front of the plate
Altuve steals 2B
Marwin strikes out swinging at a pitch in the dirt

3-2
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« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2017, 04:18:08 pm »
T9:

Clippard in...

Powell strikes out swinging, 2-3 on the putout
Semien taps back to the mound, 1-3
Joyce...3-0...3-1...3-2...walks
Joyce steals 2B
Lowrie...3-1...full up...lines out to RF on a nice running grab by Reddick...

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2017, 04:24:48 pm »
Fisher has turned into a deer in the headlights at the plate.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2017, 04:25:39 pm »
Astros put the tying run on with two out...
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« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2017, 04:27:17 pm »
Down to the last strike...
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« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2017, 04:29:26 pm »
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2017, 04:29:27 pm »
B9:

Gurriel,pinch hitting for Davis...grounds out 6-3
Fisher taps back to the mound 1-3
Beltran, pinch hitting for Centeno...last chance...singles to LF on the first pitch
Marisnick...down 1-2...down to the last strike...strikes out looking at a meatball  belt high right down the middle of the plate.

Astros trip over their dicks to a 3-2 loss

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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2017, 04:30:04 pm »
Wow. What the fuck Jake?

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« Reply #69 on: August 20, 2017, 04:32:26 pm »
Two score on the Little League HR and the winning run on a passed ball.

Davis is an automatic out, and Fisher isnot much better.
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Two score on the Little League HR and the winning run on a passed ball.

Davis is an automatic out, and Fisher isnot much better.

Fisher has been a monumental disappointment.
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« Reply #71 on: August 20, 2017, 04:34:48 pm »
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Two score on the Little League HR and the winning run on a passed ball.

Davis is an automatic out, and Fisher isnot much better.

And a game where you start Davis, Fisher, Centeno and Marisnick...that's like having four pitchers in your lineup.  That's a game you just gave up on.  You just threw it away before it started.
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« Reply #72 on: August 20, 2017, 04:43:59 pm »
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And a game where you start Davis, Fisher, Centeno and Marisnick...that's like having four pitchers in your lineup.  That's a game you just gave up on.  You just threw it away before it started.

I couldn't believe it when I saw the lineup. I'm not nearly as in love with Beltran as some of you are but why the fuck are you dhing Springer with a rhp?

Any lineup that includes Davis is a game you're not all that interested in winning.
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« Reply #73 on: August 20, 2017, 05:04:10 pm »
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And a game where you start Davis, Fisher, Centeno and Marisnick...that's like having four pitchers in your lineup.  That's a game you just gave up on.  You just threw it away before it started.

Yes, we won the series, but there was absolutely no reason to sit Gurriel and Beltran and forfeit the sweep today, especially with Washington Nationals coming after the day off.  Lineup card conceded the game before it was even played and the sorry defense and pitiful offense were happy to oblige.
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« Reply #74 on: August 20, 2017, 05:05:44 pm »
Just when the team has weathered the worst of the pitching crisis... the offense is broken. They're back to the extreme stars and scrubs lineups from 2015 and 2016. And, like back then, the stars are starting to press and try to carry the team by themselves. Correa, Gattis and McCann coming back will fix a lot of the problem, but the guy who scares me is Marisnick. Regression to the mean can't be healed. Suddenly a totally average player like Aoki seems like impossibly precious commodity...
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Correa, Gattis and McCann coming back will fix a lot of the problem...

Who is this "Gattis" of which you speak?
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« Reply #76 on: August 20, 2017, 05:17:30 pm »
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Who is this "Gattis" of which you speak?

Has there been more bad news about him?
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Has there been more bad news about him?

Yes, he's almost ready to return.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2017, 06:39:31 pm »
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Just when the team has weathered the worst of the pitching crisis... the offense is broken. They're back to the extreme stars and scrubs lineups from 2015 and 2016. And, like back then, the stars are starting to press and try to carry the team by themselves. Correa, Gattis and McCann coming back will fix a lot of the problem, but the guy who scares me is Marisnick. Regression to the mean can't be healed. Suddenly a totally average player like Aoki seems like impossibly precious commodity...

Marisnick had two hits today and scored a run. Reddick was in Altuve hack mode.
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« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2017, 06:41:28 pm »
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Exactly! Offense, too.  I just do not understand why he is here, period.

Because Moran broke his face, and Tyler White makes Mike Lamb look like Mike Schmidt.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2017, 06:50:20 pm »
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Fisher has been a monumental disappointment.
Fisher gets on base at a better clip than:  McCann, Jake, Reddick, Aoki, Yuli, Gattis, Beltran

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2017, 07:17:02 pm »
Quote from: Lefty on August 20, 2017, 06:50:20 pm
Fisher gets on base at a better clip than:  McCann, Jake, Reddick, Aoki, Yuli, Gattis, Beltran

Defense is another discussion.

That doesn't mean he's been productive.  Since coming back up, he's slugging .377 and been a strikeout factory, 1/3rd of the time he fails to make contact.
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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2017, 07:23:24 pm »
Quote from: Lefty on August 20, 2017, 06:50:20 pm
Fisher gets on base at a better clip than:  McCann, Jake, Reddick, Aoki, Yuli, Gattis, Beltran

Defense is another discussion.

Of all Astros position players in the month of August, Fisher, in 16 games, sports the 4th lowest batting avg (.160) with only Davis, McCann, and Gattis worse, and they've played only 7, 7, and 3 games respectively. So, regardless of a handful of walks and his season numbers, he's been an automatic out lately
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« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2017, 08:51:42 pm »
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Of all Astros position players in the month of August, Fisher, in 16 games, sports the 4th lowest batting avg (.160) with only Davis, McCann, and Gattis worse, and they've played only 7, 7, and 3 games respectively. So, regardless of a handful of walks and his season numbers, he's been an automatic out lately
I still say we would be better off with Kemp in left. I think he would hit just as good if not better than Fisher, and he would play better defense out there than what I've seen from Fisher. I'm not giving up on Fisher, I just don't think he is ready just yet and I think Kemp is a better option. Obviously the FO doesn't agree though.


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« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2017, 08:57:15 pm »
Quote from: Lefty on August 20, 2017, 06:50:20 pm
Fisher gets on base at a better clip than:  McCann, Jake, Reddick, Aoki, Yuli, Gattis, Beltran

Defense is another discussion.
I get what you are saying, but some times it isn't about how you get on base, but how you are making your outs. Unfortunately, for Fisher, way too many of his are strikeouts and way too many of those are looking. You have to at least make them throw you out or catch a ball, especially when runners are on base.


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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2017, 08:58:30 pm »
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I still say we would be better off with Kemp in left. I think he would hit just as good if not better than Fisher, and he would play better defense out there than what I've seen from Fisher. I'm not giving up on Fisher, I just don't think he is ready just yet and I think Kemp is a better option. Obviously the FO doesn't agree though.


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« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2017, 10:16:02 pm »
Quote from: TerryPuhl21 on August 20, 2017, 08:57:15 pm
I get what you are saying, but some times it isn't about how you get on base, but how you are making your outs. Unfortunately, for Fisher, way too many of his are strikeouts and way too many of those are looking. You have to at least make them throw you out or catch a ball, especially when runners are on base.


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« Reply #87 on: August 21, 2017, 10:23:10 pm »
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Baseball is a game of situations, not just raw numbers. So many people simply don't get that.

I do and think a few others do also.
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« Reply #88 on: August 21, 2017, 10:56:36 pm »
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I do and think a few others do also.

I know you and some others do.  Which is why when you talk about times Altuve hurts the team, even though he's hitting .350, we understand.  It's not just the number.  Fisher may draw a 2-out walk in a 12-2 blowout, and that raises his OBP.  But what did he do with a runner on 3B and one out of a tie game?  If he strikes out, the numbers say his OBP is still .500.  But a fly ball out  or a groundout that plates a run is more productive than a walk, even if it means his OBP is .000.  Situations are what matter.  You score runs from taking advantage of situations far more often than you do stringing together six hits in a row. 
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The rules of distinction were thrown out with the baseball cap.  It does not lend itself to protocol.  It is found today on youth in homes, classrooms, even in fine restaurants.  Regardless of its other consequences, this is a breach against civility.  A civilized man should avoid this mania.

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Re: Athletics @ Astros August 20, 2017
« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2017, 11:48:23 pm »
shutdown /r /m groundcontrol
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