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Trade Deadline 2017
« on: May 13, 2017, 03:32:35 pm »
Yeah, premature as hell and highly speculative as these kinds of articles usually are, but Joel Sherman of the NY Post with his thesis as to why the trade deadline deals may occur earlier than usual this year given the number of starting pitchers likely to be available (and he's not the first national writer I've read that is making the case for a possible glut in the starting pitcher market at the deadline). The lack of high draft pick compensation for high revenue teams under the new labor deal may be a contributing factor to the surplus.

The list of names thrown out by Sherman includes a lot of the usual suspects but some others that haven't been mentioned as much as possible trade bait  (a number of these are dependent on whether their respective teams remain in or continue to be out of contention):

Alex Cobb
Chris Archer
Jake Odorizzi
Ervin Santana
Hector Santiago
Justin Verlander
Jason Vargas
Ian Kennedy*
Jose Quintana
Derek Holland
Miguel Gonzalez
Sonny Gray
Jeremy Hellickson
Gerrit Cole
Ivan Nova
Zack Greinke
Johnny Cueto
Matt Moore
Jeff Samardzija
Marco Estrada
J.A. Happ*
Yu Darvish
Martin Perez

*if healthy

Again, you can pick apart the likelihood of certain of these names to be traded but the point of the article (and others that I've seen) is that the trade deadline market seems to be trending in the favor of buyers with a surplus of starting pitchers available.


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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2017, 03:58:08 pm »
Lunhow was asked about earlier than normal trade activity on the radio earlier this week.  He seemed pretty skeptical.  Both buyers and sellers tend to want to get an idea of what the full market is before pulling the trigger.  He did add that everybody has a general feel for what is available and what it would cost.  He said something like "they always ask for the same guy" in terms of prospects.

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2017, 03:06:51 pm »
Say, I seem to recall another national columnist saying the same thing recently...

"The Astros are doing work on Gerrit Cole as a potential trade target, sources say, though of course the Pirates could easily hold onto him since he’s got two more years to go to free agency. The Astros have been the best team in baseball, and their starting pitching has been very good, but one more starter could really out them in good stead, and they seem to like Cole. Their pursuit of Jose Quintana has gotten the most attention, but they should have a few choices in this trading season, with Alex Cobb, Ervin Santana and possibly others expected to be on the block, as well."

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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2017, 03:15:30 pm »
At this point, I am as much a "national columnist" as Heyman.


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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2017, 03:24:15 pm »
At this point, I am as much a "national columnist" as Heyman.

Someone is paying him to write. These days, that qualifies.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 11:58:31 am »
An interesting article on the changes to the CBA and how that could affect FA strategy and trade deadline machinations.
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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 03:22:23 pm »
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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 11:08:34 pm »
Checking in on Quintana: popped for 8 runs in 4.1 IP in Arizona tonight. 4.82 ERA for the season.

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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 12:26:14 pm »
If the Royals decide to blow it up, MLB.com columnist Mark Feinsand thinks an Eric Hosmer deal to the Astros would be just swell.

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 12:42:20 pm »
If the Royals decide to blow it up, MLB.com columnist Mark Feinsand thinks an Eric Hosmer deal to the Astros would be just swell.

That reads like a columnist that hasn't really followed the Astros at all this season.

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 01:19:52 pm »
That reads like a columnist that hasn't really followed the Astros at all this season.
Exactly. If the Astros did decide to reduce Yuli's playing time, the obvious choice would be Marwin to get those ABs. As things stand right now, a bat is the absolute last thing they need.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 01:22:47 pm »
If the Royals decide to blow it up, MLB.com columnist Mark Feinsand thinks an Eric Hosmer deal to the Astros would be just swell.

I would think Vargas is the one of interest from that list. Luhnow will surprise sometimes though.

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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 01:28:29 pm »
That reads like a columnist that hasn't really followed the Astros at all this season.

I wouldn't describe a lineup that regularly features Reddick, McCann, Marwin, Beltran, and Aoki as "right hand-heavy."

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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 01:48:53 pm »
Hosmer would be nice, but that means you are dropping/trading 1 of Yuli or Marwin or Aoki.   I can't imagine getting rid of Marwin

Would something like Yuli or Aoki and some combo of the AAA guys do it, Reed or P Tucker or Kemp or Moran?


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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 01:56:23 pm »
Hosmer would be nice, but that means you are dropping/trading 1 of Yuli or Marwin or Aoki.   I can't imagine getting rid of Marwin

Would something like Yuli or Aoki and some combo of the AAA guys do it, Reed or P Tucker or Kemp or Moran?

If I'm KC I ask for Reed, Moran and Fisher because they will lose FAs at those positions. Of course I'd ask for Tucker and Martes first but after that doesn't work you need to fill 1B, 3B and CF. I would think they would want to go with youth since they aren't willing/able to keep veterans.

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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2017, 02:06:34 pm »
Hosmer would be nice, but that means you are dropping/trading 1 of Yuli or Marwin or Aoki.   I can't imagine getting rid of Marwin

Would something like Yuli or Aoki and some combo of the AAA guys do it, Reed or P Tucker or Kemp or Moran?

I think you're grossly overvaluing those Astros assets you mentioned.  Hosmer might not be quite as expensive as a front line starter, but the Royals would have no interest in Aoki, Preston Tucker, Kemp, or Moran.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 02:13:48 pm »
I'm not advocating anything, as this lineup is rolling, but I consider Hosmer to be a special player.  One very tough out in big situations.  You could always free up room by dealing someone for a starting pitcher.

ETA:  Just looked his postseason stats, and his production doesn't justify my admiration.
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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 03:24:40 pm »
Hosmer would be nice, but that means you are dropping/trading 1 of Yuli or Marwin or Aoki.   I can't imagine getting rid of Marwin

Would something like Yuli or Aoki and some combo of the AAA guys do it, Reed or P Tucker or Kemp or Moran?

NO. Do not break up this team. We need pitching, not Hosmer. 36-16. Something must be working.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 03:35:23 pm »
NO. Do not break up this team. We need pitching, not Hosmer. 36-16. Something must be working.

Agreed! Yuli and Aoki are a big part of the personality of this team. I just want to see Cole or Archer.

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Re: Trade Deadline 2017
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 03:42:45 pm »
Agree with the sentiment to not break up the team, or mess with chemistry.   Hosmer is interesting though, and would keep him away from other playoff teams.

It is crazy to think that every Astro positional player is under contract/club control through next year, with some guys knocking on the doors in the minors, specifically Derek Fisher who is tearing it up at AAA.
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