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Need Revised Lineup
« on: April 27, 2017, 11:32:56 am »
The middle guys aren't cutting it right now, so it's time for Hinch to do something different. Here's one idea against righties:

Springer 8
Reddoch 9
Altuve 4
McCann/Gattis 2
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Correa 6
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 11:36:40 am »
We are less than month in and we are in first place by 4 games. Relax, it will come around.


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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 11:42:23 am »
We are less than month in and we are in first place by 4 games. Relax, it will come around.


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We're in first place in part because the other clubs in the division got off to poor starts. 21 games isn't a bad sample size, and this lineup would only be temporary until the other guys get going. Moving them down in the order takes some of the pressure off of them.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 11:45:04 am »
Some of them got off to bad starts because we beat them...


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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 12:15:55 pm »
Some of them got off to bad starts because we beat them...


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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 12:29:06 pm »
I'm all for moving Correa down a couple of spots.  He's been the place where big innings go to die. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 12:31:33 pm »
I'm all for moving Correa down a couple of spots.  He's been the place where big innings go to die.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 12:33:28 pm »
I'm all for moving Correa down a couple of spots.  He's been the place where big innings go to die. 

I looked up MLB-wide production from the cleanup spot after the game, unsurprisingly we're in the bottom 4 or 5 pretty much across the board.  I was kinda surprised it wasn't worse.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 12:38:19 pm »
I looked up MLB-wide production from the cleanup spot after the game, unsurprisingly we're in the bottom 4 or 5 pretty much across the board.  I was kinda surprised it wasn't worse.

Correa is hitting a whopping .147 with runners on base.  A slightly less impressive .095 when said runners are in scoring position.  When aforementioned runners are in scoring position with two out, he's hitting .000...that's POINT ZERO, ZERO, ZERO.  I'm shocked it that it's even possible to be worse. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2017, 01:03:50 pm »
Correa is hitting a whopping .147 with runners on base.  A slightly less impressive .095 when said runners are in scoring position.  When aforementioned runners are in scoring position with two out, he's hitting .000...that's POINT ZERO, ZERO, ZERO.  I'm shocked it that it's even possible to be worse.

Dude is lost and may need a day off.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2017, 01:57:40 pm »
Correa is hitting a whopping .147 with runners on base.  A slightly less impressive .095 when said runners are in scoring position.  When aforementioned runners are in scoring position with two out, he's hitting .000...that's POINT ZERO, ZERO, ZERO.  I'm shocked it that it's even possible to be worse.

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2017, 02:29:49 pm »
I agree there have been some frustrating ABs but leave things as they are. He is coming out of it.  After 5 hitless games (0/17), he has hit in 3 straight (4/13) with a HR & 2B. 
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2017, 02:50:13 pm »
I agree there have been some frustrating ABs but leave things as they are. He is coming out of it.  After 5 hitless games (0/17), he has hit in 3 straight (4/13) with a HR & 2B.

Have you seen his numbers with runners on base and RISP?  The cleanup man has to drive in runs.  Last night was another example of him being a deer in headlights with the bases loaded and one out, game on the line.  This lineup has been covering for him up til now.  But it can't go on.  They have to get production from that spot in the order. 
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 02:53:10 pm »
Tonight features Fiers pitching in front of a Kemp-Reddick-Aoki outfield. God help us.


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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2017, 02:53:47 pm »
Dude is lost and may need a day off.

He just had several days off.  I'd try moving him out of the cleanup spot.  See if that doesn't either a) take some pressure off and/or b) light a fire under his ass. 
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2017, 02:55:12 pm »
Tonight features Fiers pitching in front of a Kemp-Reddick-Aoki outfield. God help us.


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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2017, 03:01:47 pm »
Is it too early to give someone else a look at leadoff, if only to break Springer out of his funk?  His OBP has been on a steady decline since the first week.

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2017, 03:59:36 pm »
Is it too early to give someone else a look at leadoff, if only to break Springer out of his funk?  His OBP has been on a steady decline since the first week.

You do realize that Springer hasn't led off the last four games, right?
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2017, 04:10:58 pm »
You do realize that Springer hasn't led off the last four games, right?

Since hitting leadoff Saturday, he's sat twice due to the hammy and came into Tuesday's game only out of necessity.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2017, 04:12:45 pm »
Since hitting leadoff Saturday, he's sat twice due to the hammy and came into Tuesday's game only out of necessity.

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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2017, 04:29:29 pm »
Exactly.

But that has more to do with his hamstring than it does his overall performance.

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2017, 04:52:27 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 05:03:20 pm »
But that has more to do with his hamstring than it does his overall performance.

But it still puts someone else in the leadoff spot, does it not?  That's what you asked for. 
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 05:07:28 pm »
Correa is hitting a whopping .147 with runners on base.  A slightly less impressive .095 when said runners are in scoring position.  When aforementioned runners are in scoring position with two out, he's hitting .000...that's POINT ZERO, ZERO, ZERO.  I'm shocked it that it's even possible to be worse.

Yet as a team, the Astros lead MLB with 2 outs and RISP, hitting .329.


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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 09:34:19 pm »
But it still puts someone else in the leadoff spot, does it not?  That's what you asked for.

You're being willfully obtuse again.

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Yet as a team, the Astros lead MLB with 2 outs and RISP, hitting .329.


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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2017, 09:37:03 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2017, 09:40:50 pm »
You're being willfully obtuse again.

You said you wanted to give someone else a look at leadoff because Springer's OBP has been declining.  Josh Reddick has hit leadoff the last four games.  Don't know what bug's up your ass, but he can't figure out what you want either. 
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2017, 09:47:03 pm »
You said you wanted to give someone else a look at leadoff because Springer's OBP has been declining.  Josh Reddick has hit leadoff the last four games.  Don't know what bug's up your ass, but he can't figure out what you want either.

I thought the intent of my post was clear.

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2017, 08:25:32 am »
You said you wanted to give someone else a look at leadoff because Springer's OBP has been declining.  Josh Reddick has hit leadoff the last four games.  Don't know what bug's up your ass, but he can't figure out what you want either. 

Even I know he was saying move Springer out of the leadoff spot.
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2017, 09:19:45 am »
Even I know he was saying move Springer out of the leadoff spot.

Yes.  I thought that was quite obvious.  I'm still not sure how he's missing that Reddick has been in the leadoff spot the last four games. 
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2017, 09:57:06 am »
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2017, 02:29:59 pm »
Yes.  I thought that was quite obvious.  I'm still not sure how he's missing that Reddick has been in the leadoff spot the last four games.
I'm quite sure you know this, but what the hell, just to bludgeon the fucking point further: what you're referring to is moving someone else into the leadoff spot. Waldo is talking about moving Springer OUT
OF the leadoff spot. As in, into another spot, as in, into an RBI spot.
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2017, 02:59:45 pm »
I'm quite sure you know this, but what the hell, just to bludgeon the fucking point further: what you're referring to is moving someone else into the leadoff spot. Waldo is talking about moving Springer OUT
OF the leadoff spot. As in, into another spot, as in, into an RBI spot.

I figured you knew this, but I guess not...Waldo mentioned moving someone else into the leadoff spot.  That was the clear point of his post as it was written as "Is it too early to give someone else a look at leadoff?".  If he wanted to simply move Springer to another spot, he should have said it that way. 

But continue to pile on.  It's one thing you do well. 
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2017, 03:32:47 pm »
I figured you knew this, but I guess not...Waldo mentioned moving someone else into the leadoff spot.  That was the clear point of his post as it was written as "Is it too early to give someone else a look at leadoff?".  If he wanted to simply move Springer to another spot, he should have said it that way. 

But continue to pile on.  It's one thing you do well.
No, the stated point was "if only to break Springer out of his funk." And I don't think having him sit out while recovering from injury was what he had in mind.
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2017, 03:36:46 pm »
No, the stated point was "if only to break Springer out of his funk." And I don't think having him sit out while recovering from injury was what he had in mind.

Breaking Springer from his funk is a side benefit of moving someone else into the leadoff spot, not the stated purpose of giving someone else a shot at leadoff.  The concern is the leadoff spot.  At least that's how I read it.  When I say you have to get Correa out of the cleanup spot, it's not because I'm searching to find the right spot for Correa's mental state, it's because they need more production in the heart of the order.  I don't think an injury is what anyone had in mind, but it certainly gives someone else a shot to put up a higher OBP in the leadoff spot. 
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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2017, 04:06:57 pm »
This has now crossed the line from weird to comical.

Meanwhile the Astros are 14-8 and that was a fun series against Cleveland regardless of the 1-2 result. As a baseball fan that hr by Lindor was pretty damn epic. Just enjoy the baseball folks.

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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2017, 04:21:49 pm »
This has now crossed the line from weird to comical.

Meanwhile the Astros are 14-8 and that was a fun series against Cleveland regardless of the 1-2 result. As a baseball fan that hr by Lindor was pretty damn epic. Just enjoy the baseball folks.

That was a brutal series.  The worst of the Astros came out in that series. 

And why would you think we're not enjoying baseball?
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2017, 04:46:14 pm »
Dropping back to back winnable games on account of blunders is misery.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2017, 04:57:11 pm »
Dropping back to back winnable games on account of blunders is misery.

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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2017, 04:59:39 pm »
Dropping back to back winnable games on account of blunders is misery.

Exactly.  Key injuries, bullpen meltdowns, terrible defense, horrible situational hitting, way too many strikeouts, leaving countless runners on base, the heart of the order shitting the bed.  All of the things that the Astros *can't* afford to do this year, they did in spades in Cleveland.  Better get that out of their systems. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2017, 11:47:07 am »
We're in first place in part because the other clubs in the division got off to poor starts. 21 games isn't a bad sample size, and this lineup would only be temporary until the other guys get going. Moving them down in the order takes some of the pressure off of them.

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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2017, 12:26:05 pm »
especially after a game like last night.
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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2017, 05:14:14 pm »
Exactly.  Key injuries, bullpen meltdowns, terrible defense, horrible situational hitting, way too many strikeouts, leaving countless runners on base, the heart of the order shitting the bed.  All of the things that the Astros *can't* afford to do this year, they did in spades in Cleveland.  Better get that out of their systems.

Key injuries? Yup. But the fact that they were still competitive in all three games against one of the best rotations in the AL without Altuve and Springer wouldn't have happened the last few years. The lineup is deep even if a few are struggling at the moment.

Bullpen meltdowns? You must be referring to more than one.. Yes on Sipp but Devo didn't melt down. Yes, he  issued a walk but that pitch to Lindor was good. That was just a great player beating a great pitcher. Not a meltdown.

Funny how in game one the Indians hit in to three double plays and left runners in scoring position but the story of the game to us is how well Kuechel pitched not the Indians shitty situational hitting. But when the Astros lose a game that Kluber starts against Mike Fiers the sky is falling. By the way.. in game three the Astros were 4-11 with RISP. The Indians were 0-11. Hat tip to Lindor. I thought it was an entertaining series. I also think the Astros are going to be damn good this year.

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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2017, 07:45:57 pm »
So you feel like 1st and 3rd and no outs is an acceptable time to not score any runs?
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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2017, 07:57:36 pm »

Funny how in game one the Indians hit in to three double plays and left runners in scoring position but the story of the game to us is how well Kuechel pitched not the Indians shitty situational hitting. But when the Astros lose a game that Kluber starts against Mike Fiers the sky is falling. By the way.. in game three the Astros were 4-11 with RISP. The Indians were 0-11. Hat tip to Lindor. I thought it was an entertaining series. I also think the Astros are going to be damn good this year.

I don't give a fuck how shitty the other team is at situational hitting. In fact, they can't be shitty enough as far as I'm concerned.

If you were entertained by the Astros' performance, then good for you. Made me want to puke.
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Re: Need Revised Lineup
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2017, 08:03:29 am »
I do not know about a new lineup, but somebody needs to be having a serious chat with our Wunderkind. His AB in the first inning last night web a ground ball to short or second would have scored a run was putrid.
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