Aches, Pains and Muscle Strains (2017 Version)

[Nate Colbert]

Evan Gattis has a sore throwing shoulder and already needs a cortisone shot for it (says twitter).

[das]

Evan Gattis has a sore throwing shoulder and already needs a cortisone shot for it (says twitter).

Playing it down, big time. 
http://m.astros.mlb.com/news/article/216092056/astros-evan-gattis-has-sore-right-shoulder/

[Nate Colbert]

It's "catching": another receiver with a sore throwing shoulder as Kaplan says Garrett Stubbs being held out of games "for now".

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris left with a groin injury after facing 2 batters in B5 today.

[jbm]

Good to hear that it's not arm related.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart @brianmctaggart  2 hours ago
James Hoyt will pitch for the 2nd time tomorrow. Astros have been conservative with him for arm/lat soreness.

[Nate Colbert]

Right hammy soreness for Fiers, will be skipped in next start which was scheduled for tomorrow against Mets. Martes gets the ball instead.

[Reuben]

Right hammy soreness for Fiers, will be skipped in next start which was scheduled for tomorrow against Mets. Martes gets the ball instead.

My first thought was "I hope we see a similar situation by June or July." But shit, for all I know, Fiers will be the staff ace this year and Martes will have only a handful of so-so years as a middle reliever before he's out of the majors.

[Nate Colbert]

Radio guys saying David Paulino being shut down with bone bruise in right shoulder.

[Nate Colbert]

Radio guys saying David Paulino being shut down with bone bruise in right shoulder.

In right elbow, the Chron clarifies. Paulino last pitched in a ST game on March 9. Will begin season on DL.

[MusicMan]

LMJ was pulled from his start today due to a toe issue that was bleeding through his shoe.


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[Nate Colbert]

It's "catching": another receiver with a sore throwing shoulder as Kaplan says Garrett Stubbs being held out of games "for now".

Seeing action today, first time behind the plate this spring.

[MusicMan]

In right elbow, the Chron clarifies. Paulino last pitched in a ST game on March 9. Will begin season on DL.

Further clarification - because he ended 2016 on the major league roster, Paulino will go to the major league DL. No real difference, except to his pocketbook.


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[Nate Colbert]

McHugh and P. Tucker with their Grapefruit League debuts in tonight's game vs the cheating-ass Cardinals.

[Uncle Charlie]

Further clarification - because he ended 2016 on the major league roster, Paulino will go to the major league DL. No real difference, except to his pocketbook.


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...and service time.

[Nate Colbert]

Making it official...

Mark Berman‏ @MarkBermanFox26  7 minutes ago
 AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh and David Paulino placed on the new 10-day MLB DL. Backdated to today, both could be available 7 days in.

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh to make a rehab start Thursday with Fresno.

[Nate Colbert]

Bryant-Jon Anteola‏ @Banteola_TheBee  2 minutes ago
McHugh had walked out to the mound to begin the second, threw a couple of warm up pitches, called out the trainer, then was removed.

Scheduled to throw 85 pitches, threw just 26.

[Nate Colbert]

Bryant-Jon Anteola‏ @Banteola_TheBee  2 minutes ago
McHugh had walked out to the mound to begin the second, threw a couple of warm up pitches, called out the trainer, then was removed.

Scheduled to throw 85 pitches, threw just 26.

Mark Berman ‏  2minutes ago
AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh "didn't feel very good" after pitching 1 inning. Said he had "tightness in elbow & biceps. In town to be examined

[juliogotay]

Mark Berman ‏  2minutes ago
AJ Hinch says Collin McHugh "didn't feel very good" after pitching 1 inning. Said he had "tightness in elbow & biceps. In town to be examined

"Jeff? This is Rick Hahn calling. You know I have this lefthander, Quintana. The price is only going up if I keep him until the trade deadline when contending clubs all inquire about him."

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh shut down for 6 weeks with posterior impingement in right elbow.

[das]

McHugh shut down for 6 weeks with posterior impingement in right elbow.

Wow, that's a July return.

[Reuben]

Wow, that's a July return.

While that's definitely a blow, and I like McHugh a lot, to me it doesn't change the season outlook much. This season was going to and still does hinge on how healthy and close to their peak Keuchel and McCullers can be, and to some extent Morton. The other starters figured to mostly be a mix of solid, but unspectacular arms - McHugh, Musgrove, Fiers. If someone else goes down (or Fiers pitches more like 2016 Fiers), they could consider stretching out Devenski or Feliz, or giving Rodgers a shot, or, maybe later in the year, seeing if Martes is ready. They've still got pretty good depth.

[MusicMan]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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[Mr. Happy]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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+1

[Reuben]

Disagree - there's a wide gap between McHugh every fifth day and Fiers every fifth day.


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From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

[austro]

From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

It would be interesting to see the variance in those numbers. I just have the feeling that McHugh is steadier: you're going to get just about the same thing every time out. Fiers could be really good, or he could be cover-your-eyes bad. But I haven't put those subjective feelings to any sort of objective test.

[juliogotay]

It would be interesting to see the variance in those numbers. I just have the feeling that McHugh is steadier: you're going to get just about the same thing every time out. Fiers could be really good, or he could be cover-your-eyes bad. But I haven't put those subjective feelings to any sort of objective test.

McHugh had some of those cover-your-eyes games on the road last year.

[JimR]

From 2014-16, one of those pitchers had a 3.71 ERA, 1.25 WHIP, 8.4 K/9 and allowed 0.9 HR/9.
The other had a 3.74 ERA, 1.23 WHIP, 8.3 K/9 and allowed 1.2 HR/9.

Don't get me wrong, I like McHugh better (I got very sick of Fiers blowing all the leads he was handed last year), but objectively speaking, there's not a wide gap between them.

Yes, there is. Objectively speaking.

[Nate Colbert]

Just a bruise for Correa.

[Reuben]

Just a bruise for Correa.

Whew.

[Nate Colbert]

Julia Morales  @JuliaMorales 24m ago
Correa tried to hit today for the first time since Saturday and said it didn't feel good. He'll try again tomorrow.

[Fredia]

time is the great healer

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

time is the great healer

Also a great avenger.

[MusicMan]

Gustave to the 10-day DL with forearm tightness. Hoyt up from AAA.

[Nate Colbert]

Left hammy discomfort for Springer, day to day.

[Fredia]

one list that definitely needs to get shorter. ouch

[Nate Colbert]

Left hammy discomfort for Springer, day to day.

Today's game "might" be only game he misses.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Jake Marisnick was pulled from the game as a precaution due to concussion-like symptoms, according to the Astros.

ETA:

Doesn't that mean a mandatory 7-day DL stint under concussion protocols?

[austro]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Jake Marisnick was pulled from the game as a precaution due to concussion-like symptoms, according to the Astros.

I think he had the bad luck to hit the fence right at one of the pillars rather than in between them.

[Reuben]

Marisnick cleared to fly with the team to Cleveland tonight. They're going to use the off-day to re-evaluate him.
per Kaplan

[MusicMan]

Breaking: Marisnick to 7 day concussion DL


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[MusicMan]

Breaking: Marisnick to 7 day concussion DL


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Teo up in his place.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Kinda surprised they didn't call up Tucker,he has been hitting really well.   Guess the call up was gonna be mostly a defensive one though.

[MusicMan]

Kinda surprised they didn't call up Tucker,he has been hitting really well.   Guess the call up was gonna be mostly a defensive one though.

Someone has to play CF



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[Navin R Johnson]

Well, Springer and Reddick are already on the roster. Aoki has played there and Tucker has started 3 games in CF in Fresno this year.  I think if Springer didnt have the hammy issue it might have been Tucker.   You are likely right that TH is mainly here in case they need him in CF.

[MusicMan]

Well, Springer and Reddick are already on the roster. Aoki has played there and Tucker has started 3 games in CF in Fresno this year.  I think if Springer didnt have the hammy issue it might have been Tucker.   You are likely right that TH is mainly here in case they need him in CF.

Springer is gimpy, and Aoki and Reddick combined have less than 80 games in CF.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Reddick looks fine in CF. Meanwhile Teoscar in the OF...

[Nate Colbert]

No concussion for Altuve and left knee contusion for Teo.

ETA:
They're now saying sore left shoulder for the former and the contusion for the latter is on the left lower leg, not knee.

[jbm]

Great news, given what it could've been

[austro]

No concussion for Altuve and left knee contusion for Teo.

We'll see how they feel tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they feel quite a bit worse then.

[Tonywatson]

I suspect Teoscar goes to DL and we see Tucker tomorrow night, or Kemp.


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[juliogotay]

I suspect Teoscar goes to DL and we see Tucker tomorrow night, or Kemp.


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Kemp can play OF and 2B  (not at the same time) so he would make alot of sense.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

We'll see how they feel tomorrow. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they feel quite a bit worse then.

They're gonna be sore as shit tomorrow but they are young and resilient so they heal quick. Considering the circumstances, it's the best outcome one could hope for.

[toddthebod]

If Teoscar goes on the DL and the Astros call someone up, I'd like it to be Tucker.  He's hitting well in AAA.  And he isn't getting any younger.  He needs a showcase if, for no other reason, so the Astros can trade him and get some value in exchange.  It seems pretty clear that there isn't a lot of room long-term for Tucker on this team. 

[Mr. Happy]

If Teoscar goes on the DL and the Astros call someone up, I'd like it to be Tucker.  He's hitting well in AAA.  And he isn't getting any younger.  He needs a showcase if, for no other reason, so the Astros can trade him and get some value in exchange.  It seems pretty clear that there isn't a lot of room long-term for Tucker on this team.

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

[Reuben]

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

Or Fisher - not that I imagine he'd be more than "adequate" in CF, but he has played there a lot. That might mean a 40-man move though.

[Jacksonian]

Or Fisher - not that I imagine he'd be more than "adequate" in CF, but he has played there a lot. That might mean a 40-man move though.

I believe they are at 39 on the 40-man.

[Duman]

Kemp gives the most flexibility.

[Reuben]

Nonsense. That's not a valid reason for calling a player up. If Teo goes on the DL, I'd bring up someone who can play CF, like Kemp. Tucker is a defensive liability even in LF.

Agreed. You're not going to get a significant piece back in a P-Tuck trade unless he comes up and plays the rest of the year, hitting really well. Scouts have never drooled over him, he has negative defensive value, and he had a poor, injury-marred 2016. That's the kind of player you pick up off the waiver wire, not in a trade where you give up anything of value.

[Navin R Johnson]

It would be fun if MLB would allow team to "loan" players like soccer teams do.   

[Nate Colbert]

Kemp is being called up and Teo goes to DL, says Kaplan.

[Nate Colbert]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

[das]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

Jake's 2-day line:

G   AB   R   H   TB   2B   3B   HR   RBI   BB   IBB   SO   SB   CS   AVG   OBP   SLG       OPS    GO/AO
2    7     2    3    7     1      0     1       2      0      0      2      0      0    .429    .429   1.000   1.429   0.00

[WVastro]

Marisnick returns from 2-game rehab outing at CC, Kemp sent back down to Fresno.

I'll be happy to see Jake back. He's a valuable part of this team.

[MusicMan]

Brady Rodgers underwent UCL reconstruction surgery and is done for the season.


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[juliogotay]

Brady Rodgers underwent UCL reconstruction surgery and is done for the season.


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Damn. There isn't much behind the current five starters.

[Reuben]

Damn. There isn't much behind the current five starters.

I wonder if they've thought about stretching Feliz back out. He doesn't have the most crucial role in the current bullpen, and he started up until he reached the majors.

[juliogotay]

I wonder if they've thought about stretching Feliz back out. He doesn't have the most crucial role in the current bullpen, and he started up until he reached the majors.

I suppose you could do the same with Peacock and even Devo. There isn't much at AAA.

[Jacksonian]

I suppose you could do the same with Peacock and even Devo. There isn't much at AAA.

Peacock or Feliz, yes.  Devo, no.  He affects too many games to put him in the rotation.

[MusicMan]

Peacock or Feliz, yes.  Devo, no.  He affects too many games to put him in the rotation.

Amazing but true: Devo has more strikeouts than Strasburg and is only 2 behind Keuchel for the team lead.


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[Mr. Happy]

Amazing but true: Devo has more strikeouts than Strasburg and is only 2 behind Keuchel for the team lead.


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That's outrageous! Unbelievable.

[MrKnuckleball]

Hamels to miss 8 weeks.

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[Bench]

Julia reports that McHugh will be traveling with the team to LA and expects to start playing catch soon.

[Fredia]

excellent

[Reuben]

Julia reports that McHugh will be traveling with the team to LA and expects to start playing catch soon.

Once he progresses to throwing batting practice he'll be at the same stage as Fiers.

[juliogotay]

Once he progresses to throwing batting practice he'll be at the same stage as Fiers.

ouch.

[Nate Colbert]

Springer not pulled for injury reasons tonight--just rest. Also will sit out the matinee tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 4m ago
Hinch said Jandel Gustave had recurring arm soreness throwing in bullpen in Fresno yesterday and was sent back to Houston to see team docs.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Astros reliever Jandel Gustave's injury is a flexor strain. No structural damage but he won't throw for 10 days to two weeks, per Luhnow.

[WVastro]

Apologies if I missed it, but has there been an update on Teoscar since the outfield collision?

[Jacksonian]

Apologies if I missed it, but has there been an update on Teoscar since the outfield collision?

Back and optioned to Fresno.  He's been in their lineup the last few days.

[AstroNut]

Any news on Jake's elbow...

[BizidyDizidy]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

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[MusicMan]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

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Tolliver up, which suggests Peacock will make that start.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Expected to only miss one start.  Fingers crossed.

[Fredia]

well shit

[austro]

Keuchel goes to DL with pinched nerve in neck

Our turn. So many other teams have been dealing with injuries this year, I was wondering when it would happen to us, and who it would be. Offense is going to have to pick things up now.

[MrKnuckleball]

McCann to the 7 day concussion DL, retro to yesterday. Damn it Bobby.

[geezerdonk]

Centeno up. He is having a good year at Fresno.

[BizidyDizidy]

What happened to McCann?

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[austro]

What happened to McCann?

Apparently it's lingering effects from a foul tip/cross-up on a fastball last Sunday. TV guys said he just hasn't been feeling right all week.

[juliogotay]

What happened to McCann?

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Took a foul  tip off the mask in NYY series. Then another one in Miami. Walked in and said he wasn't feeling well.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 8m ago
Dallas Keuchel says he plans to pitch Saturday.

[Duke]

Great frickin news.

[homer]

Great frickin news.

He also pitched hurt for most of last season.

[Bench]

He also pitched hurt for most of last season.

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

[Mr. Happy]

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

This is an excellent point.

[doyce7]

Yes, but his willingness to volunteer that he had a crick in his neck and skip a start shows that he learned his lesson.

Exactly. I doubt he would want to put himself or the team through what happened last year again

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[Fredia]

good good news.

[AstroNut]

Any story on Correa ?

[JimR]

Any story on Correa ?

He was ill.

[MusicMan]

He was ill.

Unless a head injury has caused you to believe Jon Heyman's ramblings, in which case he was benched for two games for not hustling.


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[juliogotay]

Unless a head injury has caused you to believe Jon Heyman's ramblings, in which case he was benched for two games for not hustling.


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I see guys loitering down to 1B all the time.

[Nate in IA]

The MLB daily email had an article that said he was suffering from a sinus infection.

[Lefty]

The MLB daily email had an article that said he was suffering from a sinus infection.

They were talking about it on the broadcast yesterday, he had a terrible headache and couldn't even sit in the dugout 2 games ago.

Heyman is a fucking idiot.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 33m ago
Astros reliever Jandel Gustave (flexor strain) has started his throwing program. He's at the team's facility in West Palm Beach.

[Andyzipp]

From http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/the-proper-gentlemen-of-sports-52356/astros-gm-jeff-luhnow-talks-amazing-15869936/

Charlie Morton?

We don't have a timeline. We'll develop one over the course of this week. He's no-throw for about a week. After that, we'll evaluate. These lat strain injuries end up in multiple months of missed time. I don't think this is one of those. Anytime a pitcher won't throw for a week, you're talking at least a 3-week hiatus. We'll have to do without him for a little while. This could be a blessing in disguise because the pace Charlie was on was probably unsustainable. Giving him a 3-week break could pay dividends in September & October.

[Nate Colbert]

Musgrove to DL w/shoulder discomfort.

Paulino gets tomorrow's start.

Another pitcher from Fresno will be called up tomorrow.

[Navin R Johnson]

Musgrove only expected to miss 1 start.

[Reuben]

Musgrove only expected to miss 1 start.

Whew. That's really good to hear.

[Nate Colbert]

Musgrove to DL w/shoulder discomfort.

Paulino gets tomorrow's start.

Another pitcher from Fresno will be called up tomorrow.

Lefty Reymin Guduan gets his first call to the bigs. Numbers overall for the season are rough, but in May has been better: 1.69 ERA and 1.06 WHIP in 16 IP. Against lefties for the first two months: 1.00 WHIP and .237 BAA  (10 IP).

[JimR]

I wonder if recent injury developments have Luhnow working the phones a little harder? My #1 wish is Cole and Watson, and Archer is next.

[Waldo]

I wonder if recent injury developments have Luhnow working the phones a little harder? My #1 wish is Cole and Watson, and Archer is next.

Is the idea that Watson would replace Gregerson?  Sipp has had an excellent month.

[JimR]

Is the idea that Watson would replace Gregerson?  Sipp has had an excellent month.

One more setup man who also can close to the mix. Hinch's use of the pen thus far has been masterful. Sipp is doing mopup work and has been better.

[MusicMan]

One more setup man who also can close to the mix. Hinch's use of the pen thus far has been masterful. Sipp is doing mopup work and has been better.

I don't think Hinch gets nearly enough credit for the way he has mixed and matched these players to give the right blend of playing time and rest for a lot of different pieces.

[JimR]

I don't think Hinch gets nearly enough credit for the way he has mixed and matched these players to give the right blend of playing time and rest for a lot of different pieces.

Agreed. The bullpen is deep, and different guys set up each night. He keeps them rested, and he has three guys who have closed.

[Waldo]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

[Jacksonian]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

I like that they are pulling up AAA arms to take some of the burden from the main guys.  Which points to more masterful work by Luhnow to keep Fresno's pitching staff deep.

[JimR]

I just hope the pen doesn't run out of steam down the stretch like it has the last couple of seasons.  What Luhnow does about the rotation will determine a lot of that, I suppose.

Please. The pen has never been this deep.

[AtascAstro]

It feels like the whole organization has a post-season mindset.  Pitchers who have previously tried to play through minor pains are reporting them and the organization is resting them.  Credit to Lunhow and Hinch, everybody is bought in to what they are trying to accomplish this season as a team.

[ValpoCory]

It feels like the whole organization has a post-season mindset.  Pitchers who have previously tried to play through minor pains are reporting them and the organization is resting them.  Credit to Lunhow and Hinch, everybody is bought in to what they are trying to accomplish this season as a team.

Hinch is channeling his inner-Gregg-Popovich when it comes to rest and pacing his players through a long regular season. 

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m ago
Marwin Gonzalez said he was diagnosed with just a contusion on his left hand. Could potentially be available off the bench tonight.

[Nate Colbert]

Luhnow on McHugh on pre-game radio show today: should be rehabbing in minor league games by early July, if not end of June.

[juliogotay]

Luhnow on McHugh on pre-game radio show today: should be rehabbing in minor league games by early July, if not end of June.

and Musgrove is going to start soon (tomorrow?).  Morton is starting to throw.

[Tonywatson]

Musgrove starting tonight, yes


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[MusicMan]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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[BizidyDizidy]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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This is getting ridiculous

[moriartp]

Mike Fiers got pissed about being bumped from the rotation, so he's been taking the rest of them out one by one.

[Bench]

Fiers is now the #1 pitcher.  And pitching like it!

[Jacksonian]

GOD. FUCKING. DAMMIT.

McCullers going on the DL with lower back discomfort.


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So we started the season with Keuchel and the MF'ers.  Now we're down to just the F'er.

[hostros7]

Let's hope this is all part of ground control's plan to ensure a fresh, healthy rotation late in the year.

[MusicMan]

Mike Fiers got pissed about being bumped from the rotation, so he's been taking the rest of them out one by one.

This will be released as a movie in the offseason: I Know Where You Pitched Last Summer


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[MusicMan]

Let's also remember that the guy who was the next option, Rodgers, is ALSO injured.


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[WVastro]

I'm eating a frito pie right now. Didn't even think twice just went and did it.

[MusicMan]

I'm eating a frito pie right now. Didn't even think twice just went and did it.

Y'all should listen to him. He's pre-med.


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[MusicMan]

Looks like Peacock gets bumped to Tuesday and Martes goes Wednesday.


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[Jacksonian]

This is why you build a big lead and have a vaunted offense.

[hostros7]

Looks like Peacock gets bumped to Tuesday and Martes goes Wednesday.


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Peacock will pitch on three days rest. He threw 76 pitches on Friday night in a short outing.

[JimR]

Peacock will pitch on three days rest. He threw 76 pitches on Friday night in a short outing.

Peacock was great. Correa was not.

[Duke]

Peacock was great. Correa was not.

You gotta get at least one out there Carlos.

[toddthebod]

It didn't make a whole lot of difference in the end because the offense did nothing outside of the two big hits and gregerson did what he's been doing all season.  It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

[JimR]

It didn't make a whole lot of difference in the end because the offense did nothing outside of the two big hits and gregerson did what he's been doing all season.  It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

BS it made no difference. It may have given Peacock another inning.

[BlownRanger]

BS it made no difference. It may have given Peacock another inning.

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

[Reuben]

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

It wasn't very close at 2B though. You'd like your SS to have a better internal clock for the batter, and use better judgement.

[JimR]

I'm willing to cut Carlos some slack on that one.  He was the recipient of a tailor-made double play grounder, only to have Altuve unable to get to the bag.  Yes, he should have just thrown the batter out, but he thought he could beat the runner to 2nd base.  In retrospect it was the wrong decision, but I wouldn't lump this play in with the slew of bonehead plays we've repeatedly seen from the entire team this season.

Bullshit. Altuve beat Odor. Carlos had zero awareness of Odor's secondary lead and his busting his ass to beat a force. Throw the ball to Altuve or to first. He cannot get nobody.

[das]

It doesn't help that the offense has decided to disappear at the time when we need it the most.  The consequence of which is hello Derek Fisher.

The microscopic sample size of the last two games notwithstanding, the Astros offense is still generating 4.25 runs per game since the streak ended, even with those last two stinker games included. The offense is not the problem here.

[JimR]

It wasn't very close at 2B though. You'd like your SS to have a better internal clock for the batter, and use better judgement.

He was completely unaware of Odor.

[Duke]

Yep.  Really poor judgment.  Check the runner,  if it's too close go to first.  You have to get at least one there.

[Andyzipp]

Haven't had a lot of time to research, but...

Keuchel...10-day DL, retroactive to June 5 - no timetable for return
McCullers...10-day DL, retroactive to June 9 - no timetable for return
Morton...10-day DL, retroactive to May 24 - throwing from mound; no timetable for return
McHugh...60-day DL, retroactive to April 3 - throwing bullpens, fastballs only; post All-star break return

Is that all still accurate?

[TenThirty]

Technically, for two days, June 10 and 11, (due to the retroactive DL designation for McCullers) all 5 members of the "when healthy" rotation were on the DL at the same time.  That feels like it could be unprecedented in baseball.  FTR, I settled the debate for myself, between Musgrove vs Fiers as the 5th starter, by noting that Musgrove started before Fiers in April.

[toddthebod]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

[WVastro]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

I listened to as much of the interview as I could stand. Olney hasn't "heard" squat. He "thinks" it might be more serious working off the same information that everyone else has. There is literally zero information of substance in the interview.

[Andyzipp]

FWIW, according to this link, Olney is hearing that Keuchel's injury is worse than initially thought.

http://www.espn975.com/olney-bregman-number-one-chip-everyones-asking/

That would really suck. 

Not to hijack the thread, but would the Astros really consider trading Bergman?  I can't see it

Olney doesn't know shit.  Having said that, I think there are 4 untouchables (Keuchel, Altuve, Correa and McCullers) and a couple of "ridiculously unlikely to be available" (Bregman, Springer) on the 25-man roster. 

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

[juliogotay]

Olney doesn't know shit.  Having said that, I think there are 4 untouchables (Keuchel, Altuve, Correa and McCullers) and a couple of "ridiculously unlikely to be available" (Bregman, Springer) on the 25-man roster. 

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

I would move Springer into the untouchable list....at least during this season. He is a team leader and brings a lot of energy to this team. Plus he's pretty good.

[Andyzipp]

I would move Springer into the untouchable list....at least during this season. He is a team leader and brings a lot of energy to this team. Plus he's pretty good.

"I" would as well.  Not sure Lunhow views him the same way.

[hostros7]

I think the Astros would listen on Bregman, but it would have to be a perfect deal, and we'd have to get "over" value for him.

If reports from the offseason that the Astros were unwilling to include Bregman in a package for Chris Sale are accurate, I would expect him to remain an Astro.

[BizidyDizidy]

McTaggart had an interview with Hinch on Twitter - sounds like Keuchel expected to start throwing again in the next day or two.

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[Andyzipp]

On KPRC, Hinch relayed that he expects Keuchel and McCullers to start throwing this weekend.

Keuchel said he doesn't plan on taking a rehab assignment.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 2m ago
Charlie Morton says he's tentatively scheduled to begin a rehab assignment Thursday in Triple-A Fresno.

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m ago
Lance McCullers threw today for the first time since going on the DL. He could return to the rotation during the Astros' upcoming road trip.

[TenThirty]

Interestingly, the starting pitching hasn't been all that bad during this stretch.  The last trip through the rotation (such as it is) saw Musgrove, Peacock, Martes, Fiers and Paulino combine to post a 1.97 ERA with 1 K/IP and a WHIP of 1.02.  The problem is that they only combined for 27.1 IP in 5 games.

In fact baseball-reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=HOU&year=2017#all_notes has handy splits that show the performance of SP in June has been better than it was in April and May with respect to outcomes.  But the problem is they are needing about 4 more outs per game from the bullpen this month than previously, which has done markedly worse in June.  A combination of heavier workload and some of the good bullpen arms moving into the rotation, I guess.   

Basically, what I am trying to say is that the Astros will welcome Keuchel and McCullers back to really shore up that bullpen.

[doyce7]

Interestingly, the starting pitching hasn't been all that bad during this stretch.  The last trip through the rotation (such as it is) saw Musgrove, Peacock, Martes, Fiers and Paulino combine to post a 1.97 ERA with 1 K/IP and a WHIP of 1.02.  The problem is that they only combined for 27.1 IP in 5 games.

In fact baseball-reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=p&team=HOU&year=2017#all_notes has handy splits that show the performance of SP in June has been better than it was in April and May with respect to outcomes.  But the problem is they are needing about 4 more outs per game from the bullpen this month than previously, which has done markedly worse in June.  A combination of heavier workload and some of the good bullpen arms moving into the rotation, I guess.   

Basically, what I am trying to say is that the Astros will welcome Keuchel and McCullers back to really shore up that bullpen.

There's more to pitching than ERA. 3 innings 1 run and 6 innings 2 runs are the same ERA but which would you rather get from your starter?

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[JimR]

There's more to pitching than ERA. 3 innings 1 run and 6 innings 2 runs are the same ERA but which would you rather get from your starter?

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He kinda said that. The downturn has been a combo of inconsistent offense an an overworked pen. Blessing in disguise to develop Paulino and Martes in the bigs?

[NeilT]

He kinda said that. The downturn has been a combo of inconsistent offense an an overworked pen. Blessing in disguise to develop Paulino and Martes in the bigs?

And to see Fiers turn it around.

[JimR]

And to see Fiers turn it around.

Absolutely

[Nate Colbert]

Reddick off the DL, Fisher on the next flight to Fresno.

[MrKnuckleball]

Reddick off the DL, Fisher on the next flight to Fresno.

Hell of a job by Fisher in the 5 games he played. Hate to see him go back down but it had to happen.

[Navin R Johnson]

Fisher surely lived up to the hype during his call up.   He looks like he belongs in the bigs.   

[juliogotay]

Fisher surely lived up to the hype during his call up.   He looks like he belongs in the bigs.

I'm sure he will be soon. Probably for a different club.

[jbm]

I'm sure he will be soon. Probably for a different club.

He might be, but I'm a bit skeptical that Luhnow is itching to acquire an arm.  As long as the rest of the division is mediocre and arms like Peacock, Paulino and Martes are serviceable, why rush?

[Fredia]

tend to agree unless a really good deal happens along

[juliogotay]

He might be, but I'm a bit skeptical that Luhnow is itching to acquire an arm.  As long as the rest of the division is mediocre and arms like Peacock, Paulino and Martes are serviceable, why rush?

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

[das]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

[jbm]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

Thanks, I didn't realize that was the ultimate goal.   

Anyways, getting into the playoffs is the first goal, winning the division is next, having the best record is third and winning it all is the ultimate.  As long as they feel one and two are secure, why rush into a deal?  I'm sure Luhnow will do his best to win a championship, but dealing a potential long-term piece in June doesn't strike me as necessary or likely.

[juliogotay]

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

I think it's certainly possible but look how many uncertainties are on that list.

[juliogotay]

Thanks, I didn't realize that was the ultimate goal.   

Anyways, getting into the playoffs is the first goal, winning the division is next, having the best record is third and winning it all is the ultimate.  As long as they feel one and two are secure, why rush into a deal?  I'm sure Luhnow will do his best to win a championship, but dealing a potential long-term piece in June doesn't strike me as necessary or likely.

Ultimately Luhnow may stand pat (I doubt it) but you know he would pull the trigger tomorrow on the right deal. He hasn't heard it yet.

[Reuben]

Obviously they were willing to part with Fisher at one point, having been part of the original Giles deal. But that was a year and a half ago, and Fisher seems to have A) improved a lot, and B) he's now clearly much closer to MLB-ready. The Astros have a serious shortage of LH bats and could easily find room for Fisher next season (when Beltran and Aoki will likely both be gone), if not this season. So I'm skeptical of Luhnow hurting the near-term outlook for the team by dealing him now. I'm guessing he'd much rather trade guys who are further away, like Whitley, Franklin Perez, etc.

[juliogotay]

Obviously they were willing to part with Fisher at one point, having been part of the original Giles deal. But that was a year and a half ago, and Fisher seems to have A) improved a lot, and B) he's now clearly much closer to MLB-ready. The Astros have a serious shortage of LH bats and could easily find room for Fisher next season (when Beltran and Aoki will likely both be gone), if not this season. So I'm skeptical of Luhnow hurting the near-term outlook for the team by dealing him now. I'm guessing he'd much rather trade guys who are further away, like Whitley, Franklin Perez, etc.

there is starting to be a logjam at the higher levels of the minors at certain positions. Example:  Linares is pushing for J.D. Davis, who is tearing up AA, to be promoted to Fresno. He is a corner infielder.  Fresno has Moran at 3rd, doing pretty well with his swing adjustments, and Reed at 1st. 

[austro]

there is starting to be a logjam at the higher levels of the minors at certain positions. Example:  Linares is pushing for J.D. Davis, who is tearing up AA, to be promoted to Fresno. He is a corner infielder.  Fresno has Moran at 3rd, doing pretty well with his swing adjustments, and Reed at 1st. 

I expect at least one of Moran, Reed, and White to be involved in any deal.

[toddthebod]

You don't think the Astros can win a championship with Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh and Morton (flip flop Morton with Fiers if he continues to pitch well and either for McHugh if he is delayed or continues his downward trend from the last two years)?

Actually no.  I think the Astros need a better third pitcher.  And does anyone even know what the Astros are going to get when McHugh comes back?

[austro]

Actually no.  I think the Astros need a better third pitcher.  And does anyone even know what the Astros are going to get when McHugh comes back?

Personally, I'm not counting on anything from McHugh this year.

[Nate Colbert]

Jandel Gustave underwent TJS today.

[JimR]

Jandel Gustave underwent TJS today.

Dammit. So sad for him. Made the team in ST beating out Hoyt, then promptly got hurt.

[WVastro]

Dammit. So sad for him. Made the team in ST beating out Hoyt, then promptly got hurt.

I can't imagine that swing of emotion in a two month period. He has a great arm. I'll be rooting for him.

[Nate Colbert]

Charlie Morton threw 36 pitches for Fresno in his rehab start tonight.

[JimR]

I can't imagine that swing of emotion in a two month period. He has a great arm. I'll be rooting for him.

I am too. I saw him in ST 2-3 years ago when he was on his Rule 5 odyssey with another team. He had electric stuff that day, and I was thrilled to get him back.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Charlie Morton will make his second rehab start Tuesday with Triple-A Fresno, A.J. Hinch said. He is scheduled for 3-4 innings.

[Nate Colbert]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

[das]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

Great news.  I wish I was there to see it.  would love to see what his yacker looks like.

[Fredia]

light at the end of the tunnel

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Charlie Morton will make his second rehab start Tuesday with Triple-A Fresno, A.J. Hinch said. He is scheduled for 3-4 innings.

47 pitches, 29 strikes, 4 scoreless innings.

[JimR]

47 pitches, 29 strikes, 4 scoreless innings.

Great news!

[Reuben]

Great news!

It sure is. According to this little blurb, he "will require at least one more rehab start before returning to the Astros' rotation. The Astros are targeting a return before the All-Star break".

[Nate Colbert]

It sure is. According to this little blurb, he "will require at least one more rehab start before returning to the Astros' rotation.

Not necessarily.

[Nate Colbert]

It was decided that Morton would make one more rehab start on Sunday for Corpus.

If all goes well, should rejoin Astros and pitch in the Toronto series next weekend.

[Nate Colbert]

Collin McHugh makes 1st rehab start Friday for CC.

After he struggled in the rain last night in Walmart Country...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 28m ago
Collin McHugh says 1st rehab start went well, no pain, normal soreness. Expects to go again Wed in Corpus. Needs at least 2 more then assess

[JimR]

After he struggled in the rain last night in Walmart Country...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 28m ago
Collin McHugh says 1st rehab start went well, no pain, normal soreness. Expects to go again Wed in Corpus. Needs at least 2 more then assess

Results don't matter much. It is all about how he feels.

[Lefty]

Because it is about winning a championship not a weak division.

The other 4 AL West teams are 5 games over .500 outside of the division, and 18 games under vs the Stros.

[Nate Colbert]

Charlie Morton's last rehab tuneup:

74 pitches, 50 strikes, 4.1 IP w/5 whiffs, 2 walks, 1 hit.

[Nate Colbert]

Morton to pitch Friday in Toronto.

Keuchel to get on mound this week/weekend. Will require at least one rehab outing before making return to rotation.

Musgrove being recalled and will start tomorrow's game (McCullers being pushed to Thursday's opener against BJs.)

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh tonight for CC: 53 pitches, 37 strikes, 5 whiffs over 3.2 IP with all 3 hits allowed (including 1 HR) all coming in the last inning.

[jbm]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

[doyce7]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

Assuming no setbacks I'd say 2 maybe 3. You'd probably want to see him go to 75-80 pitches twice before you can really feel good about it.

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

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[austro]

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

A trade might help with that problem.

[Nate Colbert]

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

No move needed--they're at 39.

[doyce7]

No move needed--they're at 39.

I must have missed it

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[das]

Assuming no setbacks I'd say 2 maybe 3. You'd probably want to see him go to 75-80 pitches twice before you can really feel good about it.

Plus you need to feel really good about it because for him to come off the DL, a 40man roster move will be needed.

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Maybe 3 or more. I'm assuming he'll get to the normal ST dead arm period. Should not come back until after that resolves.

[Nate Colbert]

No move needed--they're at 39.

I must have missed it.

Guys on the Restricted List don't count towards the 40-man roster, so when Paulino got busted for PEDs that opened up a spot.

[doyce7]

Guys on the Restricted List don't count towards the 40-man roster, so when Paulino got busted for PEDs that opened up a spot.

That's a rule I was not aware of, thank you.

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[Lefty]

Keuchel's got a bullpen session scheduled for today.

[Nate Colbert]

Good to hear.  I'm not sure what his schedule is. At least three more minor league starts?

Luhnow on the pre-game show today: McHugh will make the rehab start for CC tomorrow and then comes back to Houston where they'll evaluate things but suspects he'll need one more rehab start after that.

[Waldo]

McHugh's outing in Corpus tonight: 4.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K, 74 pitches (47 strikes)

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 5m ago
Collin McHugh tentatively scheduled for his final rehab start Sunday at Corpus Christi. He's set for roughly six innings and 90-95 pitches.

[WVastro]

I don't know what it is, but every time I see a new post in this thread I click on it with absolute dread...

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

[JimR]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

Announced on the post-game show too. We need pitching.

[Reuben]

I don't know what it is, but every time I see a new post in this thread I click on it with absolute dread...

Well...

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 now
#Astros put Will Harris on the 10-day DL with right shoulder inflammation. Move retroactive to Tuesday. Corresponding move coming tomorrow.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2m ago
Dallas Keuchel will pitch Monday night in Corpus Christi. AJ Hinch hopeful Dallas will get in at least 2 innings.

[Nate Colbert]

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 2m ago
Dallas Keuchel will pitch Monday night in Corpus Christi. AJ Hinch hopeful Dallas will get in at least 2 innings.

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 4m ago
Dallas Keuchel: "I feel like a normal person again."

[Navin R Johnson]

 Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs. Neck feels totally fine

[WVastro]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 4m ago
Dallas Keuchel: "I feel like a normal person again."

Speaking as someone with chronic disc issues. This is a familiar and very encouraging statement!

[Navin R Johnson]

Speaking as a not normal person, congrats Keuchel!

[JimR]

Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs. Neck feels totally fine

Please, please, please

[chuck]

Neck feels totally fine

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

[moriartp]

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

If only nominations were a thing.

[Nate Colbert]

Adam Wexler‏ @awexlerKPRC

Keuchel echoed the same as Hinch said, looking forward too Monday's rehab start, not sure how many he needs.

At least two, maybe three Luhnow said today.

[Lefty]

I realize he's from Oklahoma but could we show him a little more respect? He's a Cy Young winner ffs.

But other than rolling his joints all wrong, what's the problem?

[Nate Colbert]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

[Fredia]

hello 

[JimR]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

If McHugh returns to be an effective pitcher, it is like a trade.

[austro]

McHugh in his 4th (and final) rehab start tonight for CC: 69 pitches, 48 strikes, 6 IP 4 H 0 ER 1 W 2 K.

Boy, strong performances from McHugh would be a real godsend.

[Nate Colbert]

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

[Lefty]

Not that it's the be-all-end-all, but how hard was he throwing?

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

hello

was me your looking for

[Fredia]

 i did not mean hello as hi i meant it as HELLO

[Nate Colbert]

Not that it's the be-all-end-all, but how hard was he throwing?

90-92, says twitter today.

[jbm]

With him, it is always about that breaking ball.  Throwing it for strikes and having it difficult to square up.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

... HELLO

How are you? Have you been alright...

[Nate Colbert]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

[Bench]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

What a bummer of an injury. 

[Duke]

Jammed left thumb for Correa.

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

[WVastro]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

It's going to be re-evaluated today. I have a bad feeling about this one...

[MusicMan]

It's going to be re-evaluated today. I have a bad feeling about this one...

Just praying there's no surgery. If it's rest and recovery, we can handle that.


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[Reuben]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

Wasn't that the same digit he hurt sliding head-first into home a couple weeks ago? Possibly related?

[MusicMan]

Wasn't that the same digit he hurt sliding head-first into home a couple weeks ago? Possibly related?

Yes, same thumb, and he said it has hurt since, but yesterday was worse.

[Reuben]

Yes, same thumb, and he said it has hurt since, but yesterday was worse.

Which raises the question, why the fuck was he playing?

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Which raises the question, why the fuck was he playing?

It probably wasn't hurting too bad until he hyper-extended it on the swing. I've can attest to how an injury like that can linger and is easy to re-aggravate. You may feel fine and then the slightest twist or bump can be very painful and set back the recovery time.

[juliogotay]

It probably wasn't hurting too bad until he hyper-extended it on the swing. I've can attest to how an injury like that can linger and is easy to re-aggravate. You may feel fine and then the slightest twist or bump can be very painful and set back the recovery time.

I'll be surprised if a DL stint isn't in order. I'd rather see him sit and get this healed than for it to be in his mind the remainder.

[Duman]

Not sure I understand how you do this just swinging the bat.  Looked painful.

When that 34+ ounce bat is coming around at a high degree of force, the thumb is all that is holding it in your hand.  It takes all the strain. 

[MusicMan]

I'll be surprised if a DL stint isn't in order. I'd rather see him sit and get this healed than for it to be in his mind the remainder.

+1


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

As goofy as those oven-mitt looking hand protectors are, there is a good reason why a lot of guys are wearing them these days. I would suggest that anyone who slides head first should wear one when on base.

[Reuben]

As goofy as those oven-mitt looking hand protectors are, there is a good reason why a lot of guys are wearing them these days. I would suggest that anyone who slides head first should wear one when on base.

I was taking with this guy at a pickup softball game the other day who surprised us all by sliding head-first into second. He said he was never taught how to slide feet-first and has never done it. I think he's in his late 40's.

[Navin R Johnson]

Sounds like Moran is up....

[Navin R Johnson]

Correa out 6-8 weeks   FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

[hostros7]

This is sad news. He had really turned it on. Fuck.


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[WVastro]

That fucking sucks.

So I presume Bregman moves to short, Moran at third. Time to see what this team is made of.

[Navin R Johnson]

I'm for Bregman to SS, but I hope we see a lot more Marwin than we do Moran.

[MusicMan]

Just praying there's no surgery. If it's rest and recovery, we can handle that.


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Fuuuuuuuuuuck me.


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[WVastro]

I hate this thread.

[Reuben]

I'm for Bregman to SS, but I hope we see a lot more Marwin than we do Moran.

Same here, although he has really been lighting it up with Fresno. Marwin might continue to play a lot of LF.

It sucks though, no way around it. Have to hope Correa comes back in time to re-find his groove.

[Navin R Johnson]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

[doyce7]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

I expect this will be the norm

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[chuck]

First game post Correa, Bregman playing 3rd, Marwin SS.

Not surprising. They had the same alignment the other day. I would imagine Marwin will effectively become the everyday shortstop.

[hostros7]

My guess is that Marwin gets the most starts at SS and Bregman stays at 3B (but moves to SS when Moran occasionally starts at 3B), but it will be interesting to see what the team does because I think you can argue it both ways. Since Moran bats left, you don't get a match-up benefit of playing a LH/RH batter platoon with Marwin at 3B based on the opposing pitcher.


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[BlownRanger]

My guess is that Marwin gets the most starts at SS and Bregman stays at 3B (but moves to SS when Moran occasionally starts at 3B), but it will be interesting to see what the team does because I think you can argue it both ways. Since Moran bats left, you don't get a match-up benefit of playing a LH/RH batter platoon with Marwin at 3B based on the opposing pitcher.


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Moran will get the occasional start at 3B, but I suspect Marwin and Bregman are pretty much "everyday" players while Correa is out.

[jbm]

So, is it definitely Moran and not Kemp coming up?

[hostros7]

So, is it definitely Moran and not Kemp coming up?

Yes. Moran is already in Houston. He found out last night.


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[BudGirl]

My positive spin.

That which does not kill them makes them stronger.  Key players will be well-rested for a possible play off run.  Good game experience for Moran.

[JimR]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

[MusicMan]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

Aggravated that same injury


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[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 47m ago
Hinch says he'll continue to shift Marwin Gonzalez around as Correa's on the DL. Alex Bregman will, in fact, play some shortstop, eventually.

Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26 58m ago
AJ Hinch says Marwin Gonzalez and Alex Bregman will split time at short. Colin Moran and perhaps Yuli Gurriel could get time at 3rd.

[Nate Colbert]

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

Will start Saturday.

[moriartp]

My positive spin.

That which does not kill them makes them stronger.  Key players will be well-rested for a possible play off run.  Good game experience for Moran.

That's my best-case hope for Keuchel and McHugh. Two strong postseason* starters without a season's worth of fatigue on their arms.

*ITMI

[juliogotay]

Did he do this swinging the bat and missing? He had come back strong from the sliding jammed thumb.

yes, swing and miss.

[LonghornCDR]

I have confidence this team will still do well, but my initial reaction to the Correa news was "gloom, despair, and agony on me."

I feel terrible for him.   

[Nate Colbert]

Confirming what Luhnow said on Sunday...

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 53s ago
Also, Dallas Keuchel will require another rehab start. It's yet to be decided when and where.

[toddthebod]

I understand wanting to play Marwin and Bregman all the time, but Frankly, I'd like see what Moran can do.  He's crushed AAA this season. 

[Reuben]

I understand wanting to play Marwin and Bregman all the time, but Frankly, I'd like see what Moran can do.  He's crushed AAA this season.

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

[juliogotay]

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

Luhnow has always been a Moran fan.

[Reuben]

Luhnow has always been a Moran.

-Cardinals fan.

FIFY

[HudsonHawk]

I'm sure they didn't bring him up just to sit on the bench every day. He'll get his chances.

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year. 

[juliogotay]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year.

Lord, I hope that Moran fellow doesn't play.  Only got a 15 game lead.

[VirtualBob]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year.

This.

[BudGirl]

This is also not the season to "see what guys can do".  This is a win now year. 

Sparks and Ford said it best the other night.  These guys may never hit like this again in their career, you gotta go for it.   They also want Peacock back in the pen for long relief because they think that is a weakness of the pen now.  Which also means they need a starter.

Sparks and Ford are a must listen if you have the opportunity.  They are gems!

[Nate Colbert]

Correa had his surgery this morning.

[Jacksonian]

Sparks and Ford said it best the other night.  These guys may never hit like this again in their career, you gotta go for it.   They also want Peacock back in the pen for long relief because they think that is a weakness of the pen now.  Which also means they need a starter.

Sparks and Ford are a must listen if you have the opportunity.  They are gems!

I think first Musgrove goes down.  Then Peacock back to the pen.  That would put them back to Keuchel, McCullers, Morton, Fiers with McHugh.  When Harris returns Martes goes down.

[homer]

I think first Musgrove goes down.  Then Peacock back to the pen.  That would put them back to Keuchel, McCullers, Morton, Fiers with McHugh.  When Harris returns Martes goes down.

Hoyt over Martes?

[Jacksonian]

Hoyt over Martes?

As far as I can see there are three guys in the bullpen right now who are clearly at the bottom of the pecking order: Hoyt, Martes, and Guduan.  Harris replaces one and a trade or two for bullpen arms replaces the others.  That's my expectation.

[Nate Colbert]

"Astros reliever Will Harris will not come off the disabled list on Friday, when he is eligible to return from a bone bruise in his right shoulder, or pitch in the weekend series against the Baltimore Orioles."

"On Wednesday, Harris said he does not feel any discomfort in his shoulder and that the inflammation was gone, but the medical staff has prolonged his rest period to ensure he is fully healed."

Link

[AstroNut]

Did they not say Correa required surgery....I say the sooner the better...hopefully yesterday. ..any news ?

[WVastro]

Did they not say Correa required surgery....I say the sooner the better...hopefully yesterday. ..any news ?

Five posts up.

[Fredia]

does that mean he can come back  this season or was the earlier estimate of time on dl without the surgery

[doyce7]

does that mean he can come back  this season or was the earlier estimate of time on dl without the surgery

6-8 weeks is with surgery I believe. Not sure what the other options were

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[JimR]

6-8 weeks is with surgery I believe. Not sure what the other options were

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He is Trout. Same injury, same procedure.

[Nate Colbert]

Confirming what Luhnow said on Sunday...

Brian McTaggart  @brianmctaggart 53s ago
Also, Dallas Keuchel will require another rehab start. It's yet to be decided when and where.

 Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

[Bench]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Keuchel also said that if this one also goes well the next start will be for the Astros. 

[juliogotay]

Bregman to see some time at SS in Baltimore this weekend.

[Texifornia]

MLB.com schedule has McHugh as probable starter for Saturday. Hope I'm not Cabrerraing.

[Nate Colbert]

MLB.com schedule has McHugh as probable starter for Saturday. Hope I'm not Cabrerraing.

No, not at all...

Kaplan says McHugh will rejoin rotation next weekend in Baltimore.

Will start Saturday.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

[Bench]

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

I remember Orel Hershiser making a rehab start in San Antonio in 1990 or so.  They crowd and the players were absolutely electric.  After the game there were throngs of people waiting to get Orel's autograph and as the crowd started to overwhelm him he elbowed some guy in the face and ran back into the clubhouse.  Big time rehab assignments are a lot of fun.

[Jacksonian]

I remember Orel Hershiser making a rehab start in San Antonio in 1990 or so.  They crowd and the players were absolutely electric.  After the game there were throngs of people waiting to get Orel's autograph and as the crowd started to overwhelm him he elbowed some guy in the face and ran back into the clubhouse.  Big time rehab assignments are a lot of fun.

Corpus was packed for Kuechel's start on Monday.

[MusicMan]

Three years ago, could you have imagined that Collin McHugh's return would bolster a rotation that led the league in ERA?


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[HudsonHawk]

I bet the class A players love the challenge of facing major leaguers on rehab assignments.

The teammates of the rehabbing player love it too. Tradition dictates that a Major Leaguer on rehab pays for the post game spread, and it's usually quite the treat.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 13m ago
Dallas Keuchel will make his 2nd rehab start Sat. at a location TBD, A.J. Hinch said. Keuchel said he expects somewhere around 4-5 innings.

Location now determined: Lowell, Mass with the ValleyCats.

Keuchel whizzed thru the first 3 innings, tossing 30 pitches (26 for strikes) while allowing just a single and a HBP. 32 pitches to get thru the 4th and 5th innings. Overall, 62 pitches, 48 strikes 5 IP 3 H 1 R 0 W 5 K. 8 groundouts, 1 flyout, 1 popout.

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 7m ago
Keuchel will meet back up with the Astros tomorrow in Baltimore. If team determines he's ready, he could start Fri. or Sat. at Detroit.

[austro]

26 out of 30 pitches for strikes? I wonder if the minor-league umps start out a little star-struck, too.

[Nate Colbert]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

[JimR]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

Probably both

[Uncle Charlie]

Moran going to DL. Being evaluated for "everything from a concussion to a fracture".

Announcement tomorrow who will be called up from Fresno.

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

[Nate Colbert]

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

That would be my guess.

[Navin R Johnson]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

As for call ups,my money is on Kemp or Fisher.   

[HudsonHawk]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

As for call ups,my money is on Kemp or Fisher.

It'll have to be someone who can play 3B or SS.  Not sure Kemp or Fisher qualify. 

[austro]

I can't remember ever seeing someone foul a ball off their face.   What absolute shit luck, considering everything. 

The only comparable thing I can remember is a time when Steve Ontiveros fouled a ball straight down off the plate, and it bounced straight back up hit him in the jaw (I think) It may even have knocked him out briefly.

[MusicMan]

Likely Tyler White wouldn't you think?

Confirmed.


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[MusicMan]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

White will mainly play 1b so Gurriel may see a few reps at 3b.


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[austro]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

That's good news physically, but I worry about what the psychological effects might be. The first time somebody throws a breaking pitch in on his hands again is going to be scary.

[Jacksonian]

That's good news physically, but I worry about what the psychological effects might be. The first time somebody throws a breaking pitch in on his hands again is going to be scary.

He may go with one of those face guards from now on.

[JimR]

Hinch further reports that Moran has a concussion and a facial fracture and may require surgery, but his vision is unimpaired.

White will mainly play 1b so Gurriel may see a few reps at 3b.


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I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

[juliogotay]

I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

White can play 3rd. He was being groomed as a utility guy in AAA even playing SS. Don't understand him being limited.

[JimR]

White can play 3rd. He was being groomed as a utility guy in AAA even playing SS. Don't understand him being limited.

I know that. Read what Hinch said.

[gundy315]

He may go with one of those face guards from now on.

It hit him under the left eye. The face guards like those worn by Marwin and Correa wouldn't have prevented this injury.  But, yes, it's still probably a good idea. I don't see why all guys don't wear them. 

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[juliogotay]

I know that. Read what Hinch said.

I know what Hinch said.  I don't understand why they are thinking that.

[moriartp]

They'll all be wearing cricket-style guards before too long.

[BudGirl]

I don't like this. The point of Moran was to allow Marwin to continue to play all over. I do not like rearranging the infield by moving Yuli also. I wish Kemp could play third.

Injury bug is coming for the Astros with a vengenance.  If they can survive this this team is destined for greatness.  But they really need some pitching because the bullpen is showing wear.

[WVastro]

The Dodgers may be dealing with the injury bug now too. Kershaw exited after the second inning today with lower back stiffness. He missed 2 1/2 months last year due to a herniated disc in his lower back.

[austro]

The Dodgers may be dealing with the injury bug now too. Kershaw exited after the second inning today with lower back stiffness. He missed 2 1/2 months last year due to a herniated disc in his lower back.

Apparently Strasburg left after two innings today, too. I was watching the 2nd inning for a while, and his control was terrible and he was clearly uncomfortable. I don't know who the announcing crew was, but they were saying that people are getting fed with him, and that somebody has given him the nickname "The Orchid" because everything has to be perfect for him to flourish, while Scherzer would take the hill with bones sticking out of his arm.

[JimR]

The disturbing this about McCullers today is his total lack of control and command. "All over the place" is an apt description.

[BudGirl]

The disturbing this about McCullers today is his total lack of control and command. "All over the place" is an apt description.

I was thinking he needs counseling by a former pitcher (Ryan, Clemens, etc.) that could tell him how to get the "mother fuckers" out.  Just someone with good experience that he might listen.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 1h ago
Will Harris will pitch in a rehab game somewhere Wednesday, could be activated this weekend in Detroit.

[JimR]

I was thinking he needs counseling by a former pitcher (Ryan, Clemens, etc.) that could tell him how to get the "mother fuckers" out.  Just someone with good experience that he might listen.

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

[Nate Colbert]

Springer day to day w/the left quad discomfort.

Derek Fisher being called up and will be in the lineup Tuesday.

[BudGirl]

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

I do not disagree, but I am assuming  he is not.

[jbm]

Springer day to day w/the left quad discomfort.

Derek Fisher being called up and will be in the lineup Tuesday.

I don't understand.  Does this mean Springer is going to the DL and if not, who is Fisher replacing?

[jbm]

Nevermind.  I see that Hoyt was demoted.

[Fredia]

there has a been a lot of that called for on the net lately

[Mr. Happy]

He needs to listen to Brent Strom.

This. And the petulant twerp needs to grow the fuck up.

[Navin R Johnson]

Nevermind.  I see that Hoyt was demoted.

Also, AJ said they were making the move because he wants more options on the bench since they are playing a NL team...

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

This. And the petulant twerp needs to grow the fuck up.

He needs to pitch better. What ever it takes.

[Lefty]

He needs to pitch better. What ever it takes.

Get that ERA down to 2.20, 2.21

[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Get that ERA down to 2.20, 2.21

Maybe if McCullers spent less time focusing on that ridiculously cool carefully coiffed pate, and more time on focusing on keeping his cool on the mound, he could start getting that ERA down some.

[MusicMan]

Maybe if McCullers spent less time focusing on that ridiculously cool carefully coiffed pate, and more time on focusing on keeping his cool on the mound, he could start getting that ERA down some.

Shave his head. How do you think our catchers started hitting so well?


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[Nate Colbert]

Bregman day to day with that right hammy tightness.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 3m ago
More on Springer, Bregman's injuries from #Astros GM Jeff Luhnow: "I'm expecting both of them to be back for the Detroit series."

Full statement from Luhnow

[Andyzipp]

Keuchel will be activated and start Friday in Detroit.

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris retired all 3 batters he faced tonight in his rehab outing for Buies Creek (including two whiffs). He's also scheduled to be activated on Friday.

[Nate Colbert]

With Keuchel's activation, the MLB transactions page says Michael Feliz has been sent down to CC.

[HudsonHawk]

Will Harris retired all 3 batters he faced tonight in his rehab outing for Buies Creek (including two whiffs). He's also scheduled to be activated on Friday.

Sure would be nice to get the 2015 Will Harris back for the stretch run. He was balls.

[jwhudson]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

[Bench]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

Logistics, man.  It's kind of Crane's deal.

[JimR]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

did you see Hinch talking to him last game? he would have sent him to Low A if he could.

[hostros7]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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[JimR]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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yep. Hinch said he and Bregman would probably play tonight.

[Nate Colbert]

Will Harris also activated as expected.

[Jacksonian]

Springer to 10 day
DL to make room for Keuchel. Guess the prognostications that he'd only be out a game or two were optimistic.


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That will likely take Fisher off the trade table.

[BudGirl]

That will likely take Fisher off the trade table.

or makes him more valuable....

[Jacksonian]

or makes him more valuable....

I was thinking they'd have to keep him just in case Springer's injury lingers.

[JimR]

I was thinking they'd have to keep him just in case Springer's injury lingers.

No way

[Andyzipp]

I was thinking they'd have to keep him just in case Springer's injury lingers.

Never say never, but quad strains don’t typically last very long, and aren’t a lingering kind of injury like a hamstring or a high ankle sprain.

[JimR]

Never say never, but quad strains don’t typically last very long, and aren’t a lingering kind of injury like a hamstring or a high ankle sprain.

Showcasing Fisher

[geezerdonk]

Wasn't it a quad strain that caused Springer to miss a couple of months a few years back?

[BUWebguy]

Wasn't it a quad strain that caused Springer to miss a couple of months a few years back?

Yep: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139311-george-springer-injury-updates-on-astros-stars-quad-and-return

July 2014: "Astros manager Bo Porter told Brian McTaggart of MLB.com Tuesday he didn't think a DL stint was in the works..."
Aug 6: Had a setback during a rehab assignment
Sept 16: Astros confirm Springer is done for the year.

[Fynn]

Yep: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139311-george-springer-injury-updates-on-astros-stars-quad-and-return

July 2014: "Astros manager Bo Porter told Brian McTaggart of MLB.com Tuesday he didn't think a DL stint was in the works..."
Aug 6: Had a setback during a rehab assignment
Sept 16: Astros confirm Springer is done for the year.

If  this scenario plays out again, its possible we could be without Springer and Correa for the season.  Not something anyone wishes to contemplate. 

[Nate Colbert]

That will likely take Fisher off the trade table.

I agree.

[Ty in Tampa]

Yep: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2139311-george-springer-injury-updates-on-astros-stars-quad-and-return

July 2014: "Astros manager Bo Porter told Brian McTaggart of MLB.com Tuesday he didn't think a DL stint was in the works..."
Aug 6: Had a setback during a rehab assignment
Sept 16: Astros confirm Springer is done for the year.

Not necessarily minimizing this but 2014 and 2017 are very different seasons.

[toddthebod]

I am hoping that this is not particularly serious and it simply the Astros being a little cautious.  It also allows them to avoid having to send down another player with Harris and Keuchel coming off the DL today. 

But if he is hurt, lets get McCutchen and Cole from the Pirates. 

[Nate Colbert]

Strange, shouldn't he go back to Fresno?

Julia Morales  @JuliaMorales 1h ago
Feliz optioned to AA Corpus Christi bc it's closer to Houston & they have specific things he'll work on w/his breaking ball & elevated FB.

[moriartp]

But if he is hurt, lets get McCutchen and Cole from the Pirates.

And Watson for good measure.

[toddthebod]

Yes.  Pillage the Pirates.

[Fredia]

well said me  matey

[JimR]

Harris back to DL. Had not been used since his return.

[hostros7]

Harris back to DL. Had not been used since his return.

The bullpen could use some good news, perhaps a new teammate. The cryptic descriptions of Harris's injury are somewhat concerning now that it continues to linger.


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[JimR]

The bullpen could use some good news, perhaps a new teammate. The cryptic descriptions of Harris's injury are somewhat concerning now that it continues to linger.


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After a rehab inning also. This explains Hinch's forceful "I was not going to use Harris" in his discussion of Martes' outing.

[Nate Colbert]

Harris back to DL. Had not been used since his return.

Reymin Guduan recalled, for those that missed it.

[Nate Colbert]

McCullers to DL. Back issue.

[JimR]

McCullers to DL. Back issue.

Of course. Had to be an injury. BS.

[Nate Colbert]

In addition to the Feliz move, AJ Reed has been called up.

Reed in July for Fresno: .297/.400/.648 with 10 homers.

[JimR]

In addition to the Feliz move, AJ Reed has been called up.

Who will get the short straw when Liriano reports?

[austro]

Who will get the short straw when Liriano reports?

Maybe they'll be able to push Sipp through waivers for a bag of balls?

[Andyzipp]

McCullers to DL. Back issue.

I'm sure I'm just irritated by the events of the day, but...is McCullers ever going to be healthy?  I'm not speaking about just this year, either.

[austro]

I'm sure I'm just irritated by the events of the day, but...is McCullers ever going to be healthy?  I'm not speaking about just this year, either.

I wouldn't count on it. He doesn't seem like the sturdiest guy on the staff.

[austro]

When does Rodgers get to start throwing again? Is there any chance he's in the mix next year?

[MikeyBoy]

Still an opportunity to get Verlander in a waiver wire deal. Or at least that's what I'm hoping for although probably not likely.

[Nate Colbert]

When does Rodgers get to start throwing again? Is there any chance he's in the mix next year?

I think it would be optimistic to assume he'd be ready at the beginning of the year. Probably more like midseason.

[JimR]

I'm sure I'm just irritated by the events of the day, but...is McCullers ever going to be healthy?  I'm not speaking about just this year, either.

Will he ever grow up? Be mentally tough?

[Mr. Happy]

McCullers to DL. Back issue.

How much of this is genetic? I remember his dad spending lots of time on the DL and had his career cut short. I hope that son is sturdier than father.

[JimR]

I wouldn't count on it. He doesn't seem like the sturdiest guy on the staff.

His temper and demeanor bother me a lot.

[Nate Colbert]

In addition to the Feliz move, AJ Reed has been called up.

Reed in July for Fresno: .297/.400/.648 with 10 homers.

Hinch says Reed will be in tomorrow's lineup.

[hostros7]

Mark Berman‏ @MarkBermanFox26  33m33 minutes ago
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 AJ Hinch says he is "not sold" on George Springer coming off the DL when he's eligible on Friday. Said Correa "at least" a month away.

[JimR]

Crap

[Fredia]

equivalently said

[Bench]

FWIW "at least a month away" is consistent with the original prognosis of 6-8 weeks.  Surgery was on July 19.  6-8 weeks would be August 30 - September 13.

And Correa, of course, says  "I feel like I'll be back sooner than expected, so hopefully I can accomplish that. Everything is turning out really good."

[WVastro]

I hate this thread.

[drew corleone]

FWIW "at least a month away" is consistent with the original prognosis of 6-8 weeks.  Surgery was on July 19.  6-8 weeks would be August 30 - September 13.

And Correa, of course, says  "I feel like I'll be back sooner than expected, so hopefully I can accomplish that. Everything is turning out really good."

The first week of September would be a very good thing. I was afraid he wouldn't be back until late in the month, with just a week, maybe two, to get his rhythm back.

[The Spleen]

I hate this thread.

This would be a tough injury season for an NFL team...

[BlownRanger]

This would be a tough injury season for an NFL team...

At what point do we quit lamenting our rotten luck and start wondering about the organization's strength and conditioning program?  Especially for pitchers.

I'm just throwing this out there.  I don't know a damn thing about baseball training regimens.

[Andyzipp]

At what point do we quit lamenting our rotten luck and start wondering about the organization's strength and conditioning program?  Especially for pitchers.

I'm just throwing this out there.  I don't know a damn thing about baseball training regimens.

There is no strength and conditioning program that is going to prevent pinched nerves, torn thumb ligaments, or quad pulls caused by ricocheting line drives. 

[HudsonHawk]

There is no strength and conditioning program that is going to prevent pinched nerves, torn thumb ligaments, or quad pulls caused by ricocheting line drives.

Perhaps Colin Moran should have better conditioned himself for getting hit in the face.  I'm sure there are exercises for that.

[Mr. Happy]

There is no strength and conditioning program that is going to prevent pinched nerves, torn thumb ligaments, or quad pulls caused by ricocheting line drives.

+1

[NeilT]

I don't think any of us would disagree that the bullpen is well worn. I doubt that's a conditioning issue as much of a demand issue.   

[BlownRanger]

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there. 

You guys bring up a couple of obvious examples of bad luck.  I'm saying the ravaging of the pitching staff is almost as historic as the offensive production.  I guess they're just cursed.

[Mr. Happy]

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there. 

You guys bring up a couple of obvious examples of bad luck.  I'm saying the ravaging of the pitching staff is almost as historic as the offensive production.  I guess they're just cursed.

Sometimes, that happens. This isn't the first time for such a curse, e.g., the J.R. Richard stroke out of nowhere. And it won't be the last time either.

[Andyzipp]

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there. 

You guys bring up a couple of obvious examples of bad luck.  I'm saying the ravaging of the pitching staff is almost as historic as the offensive production.  I guess they're just cursed.

Keuchel had a pinched nerve as has been stated.
McCullers has not yet pitched a complete season due to injuries. Currently missing time with back issues.
Morton has missed most of 2 and parts of 5 of his MLB seasons on the DL.  Missed time this year due to a lat strain.
McHugh had a posterior impingement of his elbow. 
Musgrove had shoulder discomfort.
Harris has shoulder inflammation.
Gustave had to have Tommy John surgery.
Feliz is not hurt.
Sipp is not hurt.

Which of those injuries do you think is caused by lack of conditioning or strength?

[MusicMan]

Perhaps Colin Moran should have better conditioned himself for getting hit in the face.  I'm sure there are exercises for that.

Did you see how short his batting helmet was? He was practically asking for it.


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[Col. Sphinx Drummond]

Did you see how short his batting helmet was? He was practically asking for it.

Oh, he was asking for it. You could tell by the way he put his face in the path of the ball.

[austro]

Oh, he was asking for it. You could tell by the way he put his face in the path of the ball.

A real athlete could have gotten out of the way.

[drew corleone]

Like I said, I was just throwing it out there. 

You guys bring up a couple of obvious examples of bad luck.  I'm saying the ravaging of the pitching staff is almost as historic as the offensive production.  I guess they're just cursed.

Every likely playoff team has a number of good players on the DL right now. It's not just the Astros' S&C... it's what happens during a grueling 162-game season.

[Bench]

The first week of September would be a very good thing. I was afraid he wouldn't be back until late in the month, with just a week, maybe two, to get his rhythm back.

McTaggart is McReTweeting that Correa should "resume swinging a bat next week" which seems crazy to my non-medical brain.  That's just three weeks after surgery. 

[Andyzipp]

Sure I missed it, but isn't Springer eligible to come off the DL today?  Since he's not in the lineup, does that mean things are still bad for his quad?

[Nate Colbert]

Sure I missed it, but isn't Springer eligible to come off the DL today?  Since he's not in the lineup, does that mean things are still bad for his quad?

Jake Kaplan‏ @jakemkaplan  25 minutes ago
This was expected considering Astros off day Monday but A.J. Hinch said George Springer won't be activated during this weekend's series.

Started running 2 days ago.

[austro]

Sure I missed it, but isn't Springer eligible to come off the DL today?  Since he's not in the lineup, does that mean things are still bad for his quad?

Hinch sounded really skeptical the other day on the pre-game show. I'm not surprised that Springer won't play in this series.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m
The reason A.J. Hinch caught warmup pitches before an inning tonight: Evan Gattis has a concussion.

[MikeyBoy]

Can we lock this thread?

[JimR]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m
The reason A.J. Hinch caught warmup pitches before an inning tonight: Evan Gattis has a concussion.

I did not see it, but I read someone's backswing conked him. Marwin is the emergency catcher, of course.

[austro]

I did not see it, but I read someone's backswing conked him. Marwin is the emergency catcher, of course.

It was a pretty stiff blow, and to the side of the head, too (not the front of the mask). More info from ESPN: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/20253188/evan-gattis-houston-astros-says-concussion.

[Jacksonian]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m
The reason A.J. Hinch caught warmup pitches before an inning tonight: Evan Gattis has a concussion.

I guess we'll see Centeno up too?

[JimR]

I guess we'll see Centeno up too?

Yep. He'll hit a couple of homers then go back to AAA.

[HudsonHawk]

Yep. He'll hit a couple of homers then go back to AAA.

From what I've seen, Centeno is a quality backstop.  Expect he'll be up permanently for the stretch run  come the end of the month.

[JimR]

From what I've seen, Centeno is a quality backstop.  Expect he'll be up permanently for the stretch run  come the end of the month.

Agree completely. He looked good to me too.

[Nate Colbert]

I guess we'll see Centeno up too?

Confirmed.

[Nate Colbert]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 1h ago
Asked about George Springer's return, A.J. Hinch on @MLBNetworkRadio: "If not today, then tomorrow."

[hostros7]

Christian Boutwell @_CBoutwell 1h ago
Asked about George Springer's return, A.J. Hinch on @MLBNetworkRadio: "If not today, then tomorrow."

I listened to AJ's interview for a few minutes. He said Springer is "flying around" now when he runs, which was not the case when he was tested in Detriot. He said the focus for the club is ensuring that these injured players don't have a setback that would jeopardize their health towards the end of September.

[Nate Colbert]

McTaggart is McReTweeting that Correa should "resume swinging a bat next week" which seems crazy to my non-medical brain. 

Correa himself is now saying he won't start swinging the bat until the D-Back series (that series starts on Thurs. the 16th).

[Nate Colbert]

Both Will Harris and Lance McCullers have resumed throwing, says Kaplan.

[Nate Colbert]

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 6m
The reason A.J. Hinch caught warmup pitches before an inning tonight: Evan Gattis has a concussion.

Still feeling symptoms. May need more time than the 7 days.

[JimR]

Still feeling symptoms. May need more time than the 7 days.

Centeno says "ok."

[Nate Colbert]

Springer activated, Tyler White sent down.

[Uncle Charlie]

Springer activated, Tyler White sent down.

White did well for himself this go around.

[geezerdonk]

Harper injured; may be out for the rest of the year.

[austro]

Harper injured; may be out for the rest of the year.

WaPo is saying that it's not as bad as initially feared, and they expect to get him back. He's going to the DL and they'll take their time with him because of their large division lead.

[TerryPuhl21]

What is the latest word on McCullers??? Expectation on his return is when?


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[JimR]

What is the latest word on McCullers??? Expectation on his return is when?


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I have seen nothing.

[juliogotay]

What is the latest word on McCullers??? Expectation on his return is when?


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I think he has tossed the baseball in the pen a little. Still sore in the back as of a report the other day.

[GreatBagwellsBeard]

Those of you who understand pitching mechanics better than I do: does McCullers flying open on his delivery seem like bad habits, or compensating for the injury?

[MRaup]

Those of you who understand pitching mechanics better than I do: does McCullers flying open on his delivery seem like bad habits, or compensating for the injury?

Probably a little of both. Generally bad mechanics lead to injuries. Injuries lead to compensating for pain. Compensating for pain leads to other bad mechanics.

He never looked comfortable on his original DL return to me.

[Mr. Happy]

Those of you who understand pitching mechanics better than I do: does McCullers flying open on his delivery seem like bad habits, or compensating for the injury?

I believe that his flying open flaw is unrelated to his injury. Injuries often force a change in mechanics to alleviate or at least minimize the discomfort. They probably put him back there before he was truly healed.

[HudsonHawk]

So Evan Gattis?  He was put on the 7-day DL with what was diagnosed as a "mild concussion", and should have been eligible to come off last week.  I don't recall anyone mentioning his name in almost two weeks.  Is he really that bad off or has he been shipped off to the gulag and forgotten?

[JimR]

So Evan Gattis?  He was put on the 7-day DL with what was diagnosed as a "mild concussion", and should have been eligible to come off last week.  I don't recall anyone mentioning his name in almost two weeks.  Is he really that bad off or has he been shipped off to the gulag and forgotten?

I saw one post or somewhere else he still had symptoms and needed more than seven days.

[HudsonHawk]

I saw one post or somewhere else he still had symptoms and needed more than seven days.

I saw that when the they put him on the DL, but it happened 11 days ago.  They talk about McCullers, Correa, and Harris, but not a peep about Gattis.  Does that mean it's worse than what they thought?  I'm sincerely worried about the guy, as the silence on him is deafening. 

[homer]

Gattis (concussion) will not be activated from the 7-day disabled list when eligible Saturday, Jake Kaplan of the Houston Chronicle reports.
Gattis has been ruled out for the rest of the Astros' road trip, which ends Tuesday.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/astros-evan-gattis-ruled-out-for-rest-of-trip/

[Nate Colbert]

It continues...

Jake Kaplan  @jakemkaplan 8s ago
Brian McCann was placed on the DL because of what the Astros describe as right knee soreness. Max Stassi had his contract selected from AAA.

Jordan Jankowski DFA'd to make room on the 40-man for Stassi.

[astrojo]

Why are they going with three catchers?

They aren't. Gattis still unavailable and McCann to 10 day DL. Centeno and Stassi are it.

[Bench]

They aren't. Gattis still unavailable and McCann to 10 day DL. Centeno and Stassi are it.

Yes.  I removed the post after realizing I was mixing up McCann and Gattis.

[Nate Colbert]

Yes.  I removed the post after realizing I was mixing up McCann and Gattis.

Mix up those two? Impossible.

[Bench]

Mix up those two? Impossible.

I can never remember which one's beard extends further down his neck.

[das]

Wow, Moran is taking cuts at the ST facility and may play in September.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/astros-colin-moran-taking-cuts-in-florida/amp/

[TerryPuhl21]

That's really great news. Moran looked like a player and I was looking forward to getting an extended look at him. I don't know where he fits in with this team in the future though.


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[austro]

That's really great news. Moran looked like a player and I was looking forward to getting an extended look at him. I don't know where he fits in with this team in the future though.

I'm pretty sure his future is in a trade. I think they were showcasing him when that fluke happened, and I suspect that played a part in the surprising/disappointing lack of trade activity.

[MusicMan]

Harris, Sipp, Feliz, and Gattis all start their rehab assignments in Corpus today.

[das]

Harris, Sipp, Feliz, and Gattis all start their rehab assignments in Corpus today.

Excellent!  I am hopeful that McCullers recovered from his simulated innings well and will look good off the mound today.  If anyone is at the game super early and watches, please give us a report!

[toddthebod]

Correa gave a great interview where he said that he is weeks ahead of schedule.  The doctor says that he looks good.  He took fielding practice today.  And he's going to hit with the team today during batting practice. 

[MusicMan]

Correa gave a great interview where he said that he is weeks ahead of schedule.  The doctor says that he looks good.  He took fielding practice today.  And he's going to hit with the team today during batting practice.

He also said he'll need 20-30 AB on rehab, which works out to about a week.


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[Navin R Johnson]

Keuchel, Springer, Correa, McCullers, Harris, McHugh, Morton...anyone remember a season when so many impact players spent significant time on the DL?   Not to mention all the 10day stuff and role players.

[JimR]

Keuchel, Springer, Correa, McCullers, Harris, McHugh, Morton...anyone remember a season when so many impact players spent significant time on the DL?   Not to mention all the 10day stuff and role players.

You forgot Gattis and McCann

[MusicMan]

You forgot Gattis and McCann

Having one of them instead of Stassi might have made a difference last night.

McCann expected to be activated Thursday.


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[JimR]

Having one of them instead of Stassi might have made a difference last night.

McCann expected to be activated Thursday.


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If Hinch had managed like he knew who was hitting after Beltran, it also would have helped.

[MusicMan]

If Hinch had managed like he knew who was hitting after Beltran, it also would have helped.

I think he stared at the eclipse.

[JimR]

I think he stared at the eclipse.

He continues to manage as though this is the same deep lineup with no weak links. Baker out-managed him badly last night.

Altuve continues to be a .360 hitting liability.

[HudsonHawk]

He continues to manage as though this is the same deep lineup with no weak links. Baker out-managed him badly last night.

He's drinking the kookaid...big lead, no sense of urgency, just waiting for our guys to get healthy...someone needs to tell him that he's lost seven games in the standings in the last three weeks.

[JimR]

He's drinking the kookaid...big lead, no sense of urgency, just waiting for our guys to get healthy...someone needs to tell him that he's lost seven games in the standings in the last three weeks.

Agreed.

[Andyzipp]

Correa starts his rehab assignment tomorrow in Fresno.  Looking to get 20-30 abs.

Also, McCann will be activated Thursday.

[Fredia]

yea some good news

[Jacksonian]

Correa starts his rehab assignment tomorrow in Fresno.  Looking to get 20-30 abs.

Also, McCann will be activated Thursday.

McCullers to pitch Friday in Fresno.

[MusicMan]

McCullers to pitch Friday in Fresno.

Basically all the guys on rehab at Corpus were moved to Fresno because of the approaching storm.


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[astrojo]

Gattis back from DL and catching tonight. Corresponding move Max Stassi to 10 day DL with left hand inflammation. Huh? Also, Altuve sitting tonight for lingering neck discomfort. 

[das]

Gattis back from DL and catching tonight. Corresponding move Max Stassi to 10 day DL with left hand inflammation. Huh? Also, Altuve sitting tonight for lingering neck discomfort.

 I wonder if sometimes a move like this is so a guy can continue to cash a major leak check during the week between this move and September call ups. As a thank you  for a job well done or something.

[HudsonHawk]

I wonder if sometimes a move like this is so a guy can continue to cash a major leak check during the week between this move and September call ups. As a thank you  for a job well done or something.

Stassi probably doesn't get a Sept call up. It may be some type of reward though.

[juliogotay]

Stassi probably doesn't get a Sept call up. It may be some type of reward though.

I'll be shocked if he doesn't.

[JimR]

I wonder if sometimes a move like this is so a guy can continue to cash a major leak check during the week between this move and September call ups. As a thank you  for a job well done or something.

He is hurt. They said last night he tore open a blister or something.

[HudsonHawk]

I'll be shocked if he doesn't.

I'll be shocked if he does.  I can't see them carrying four catchers. 

[juliogotay]

I'll be shocked if he does.  I can't see them carrying four catchers.

You're thinking Centeno ahead of Stassi? Probably right if for no other reason than he is LH hitter. Can't carry 4.

[HudsonHawk]

You're thinking Centeno ahead of Stassi? Probably right if for no other reason than he is LH hitter. Can't carry 4.

I can't imagine it wouldn't be Centeno.  He's been the first guy up all year...left handed bat off the bench...why wouldn't it be?

[Jacksonian]

I can't imagine it wouldn't be Centeno.  He's been the first guy up all year...left handed bat off the bench...why wouldn't it be?

They can't send Stassi out without exposing him to waivers.  He's out of options.  Better safe than sorry with the catchers.

[HudsonHawk]

They can't send Stassi out without exposing him to waivers.  He's out of options.  Better safe than sorry with the catchers.

I guess they can keep him around if they think he'll make the 40-man next year.  But it'd be pointless.  Centeno is the third catcher. 

[Jacksonian]

I guess they can keep him around if they think he'll make the 40-man next year.  But it'd be pointless.  Centeno is the third catcher.

As you've already seen with the current collection of catchers they need 4 not 3.

[HudsonHawk]

As you've already seen with the current collection of catchers they need 4 not 3.

The problem is that they will need regular playing time to be any good. If Hinch tries to spread around playing time to four catcher's this team is fucked. If they need more than three in last month of the season, they are fucked. Priorities are:

1.  Get Davis the fuck off the field.
2.  Keep Gattis and McCann healthy.

[JimR]

The problem is that they will need regular playing time to be any good. If Hinch tries to spread around playing time to four catcher's this team is fucked. If they need more than three in last month of the season, they are fucked. Priorities are:

1.  Get Davis the fuck off the field.
2.  Keep Gattis and McCann healthy.

Yes, please, to #1. He has made major contributions to the last two losses.

My 3. If you are going to use Martes in important situations, trust him. Visit the mound to calm him if you think he is too excited, but do not have a hair trigger on pulling him. Hinch said last night excitement caused the walk to Trout. Well, send Strom out to settle him down.

[homer]

Gattis to the DL with sore right wrist. Centeno recalled.

Astros manager A.J. Hinch said Gattis sustained the injury after taking a ball off the wrist during the team’s series in Anaheim against the Los Angeles Angels last weekend. Gattis tried playing through the pain, but it was ultimately enough of a hindrance to warrant a trip to the sideline.

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/astros-place-evan-gattis-on-10-day-dl/

[Andyzipp]

Correa to be activated prior to Sunday’s game, per Hinch.

[hostros7]

Any word about Yuli? The last report indicated that he'd be back this weekend, but he's not in the lineup again.


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[Ty in Tampa]

Any word about Yuli? The last report indicated that he'd be back this weekend, but he's not in the lineup again.


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They said on the early telelcast yesterday that he was still a bit sore.

[juliogotay]

They said on the early telelcast yesterday that he was still a bit sore.

No need to rush him. I remember when he came over I read that Cubans don't play but 3-4 games a week so that was a big adjustment.

[JimR]

Did McCann catch both games yesterday? Centeno today.

[hostros7]

Tags:

Hinch hopes Gurriel can play tomorrow in Seattle.

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[BudGirl]

Did McCann catch both games yesterday? Centeno today.

Juan caught the first game.

[JimR]

Day game after a night game rule, I guess.

[das]

Tags:
Hinch hopes Gurriel can play tomorrow in Seattle

And McCullers for Tuesday. Very excited to see Keuchel/Verlander/McCullers in the series.

[juliogotay]

And McCullers for Tuesday. Very excited to see Keuchel/Verlander/McCullers in the series.

I would have answered "no" to the question "do the Astros have six starting pitchers with an ERA under 4?
Including Verlander they do.

[BudGirl]

And McCullers for Tuesday. Very excited to see Keuchel/Verlander/McCullers in the series.

I thought Verlander was starting Tuesday.

[doyce7]

I thought Verlander was starting Tuesday.

Verlander Tuesday, mccullers Wednesday

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[das]

I thought Verlander was starting Tuesday.

Oops, I'm so excited I can't think straight.......     :^P

[austro]

This article seems to imply that McHugh's problem last night isn't as dire as we thought at the time and he might be available for his next scheduled start. That would be good news.

[JimR]

This article seems to imply that McHugh's problem last night isn't as dire as we thought at the time and he might be available for his next scheduled start. That would be good news.

It is a problem he has had before and did not miss a start.

[Navin R Johnson]

 @brianmctaggart 17s18 seconds ago

McCullers has arm fatigue. Fiers to pitch tomorrow

[JimR]

@brianmctaggart 17s18 seconds ago

McCullers has arm fatigue. Fiers to pitch tomorrow

WTF is this. A long stint on the DL, and a good start, and he cannot go? This is pathetic.

[Navin R Johnson]

Who knows, seems like the guy is made out of balsa wood.   

[JimR]

Who knows, seems like the guy is made out of balsa wood.

Why should any part of him be fatigued? Fuck that. It is September.

[Navin R Johnson]

Here are his comments. Says it wasn't his decision.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/907841033408577536

[JimR]

Here are his comments. Says it wasn't his decision.

https://twitter.com/brianmctaggart/status/907841033408577536

Fiers. Fuck.

[TerryPuhl21]

I don't expect much out of him the rest of the year. Might as well shut his ass down until next year. Unless he can learn to use his fast ball or a change up more effectively, he will never be a quality pitcher we can rely on. Evidently his arm isn't made to throw 60-70% curve balls per start.


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