I'm going to do what I can not to get sucked any further into your vortex of stupid beyond this response, but virtually everything you post here is either wrong or irrelevant.
Because, of course, you say so. Very privileged attitude of course.
No one that I know of has said that the disgusting freaks you're defending were hoping to fight the man. That is, as you would say, a false narrative.
Did you read what Phillips said to the Washington Post initially about fearing for his well-being because they young men approached him and blocked him in.
That was... ahem... a lie. He changed that narrative when he interviewed with the Detroit Free Press. And even then, he mischaracterized the situation. Why are kids supposed to act like adults and adults are allowed to act like kids and thus this is the only way we can see this narrative as painted originally by Phillips? And once again, you accused me of lying... not the other way around. You told me to quit lying about Phillips but now you're changing your opinion. Hmmmm... very white priviledge of you.
Everyone knows that the 'Israelites' are homophobic lunatics.
Well Phillips left them out of the original story he gave to the WaPo and then only mentioned them as "prey" to the Detroit Free Press. Once again, I said that Phillips misrepresented the entire situation to his benefit because of whatever reason he may have. But that has been now corrected. To which you said I was lying about Phillips and clearly I was not.
In retrospect it's tragic, really, that the crusaders and the Israelites couldn't have had a calmer face-to-face because I am quite sure they could have found some very solid common ground what with hating gays and loving the idea that Armageddon is soon approaching. Ships passing silently in the night and so on, I suppose.
Wow, you're now backpeddling so hard its amazing to watch. You go from calling me a liar to deciding you want to have a discussion about the Crusaders for scoreboard purposes! Nice going Chuck, you do a great job of moving those pedals so quickly.
Phillips has said repeatedly that he went into the crowd of kids in order to instill a peace in them.
Ahum, no Chuck, he didn't. From the New York Post column about the situation that takes a shot at the WaPo:
Ideally, the kids would have ignored him and walked away. Until about 10 minutes ago, though, it was broadly agreed in our culture that kids are allowed to do some dumb things because they are kids.
Should these kids’ lives be ruined because some of them responded to obnoxious provocation by being a bit rude themselves? I would say their reaction was, if anything, more restrained than you would expect from teenagers.
Phillips, on the other hand, is an adult, and he repeatedly lied about what happened to The Washington Post and other prestige outlets, which reported everything he said uncritically.
He told the WaPo an entirely different story. WaPo has since written another article and replaced Phillips account with a different version that he went into the crowd not the other way around. That is after he told the Detroit Free Press he was trying to keep the "predators" from reaching the "prey". That account is false as well. Phillips told the Detroit Free Press he could see hate in the eyes of the young men. The video shows absolutely nothing like that and it was adults preying on these kids with their whack opinions and aggression, including followers of Phillips. The only reason they get a pass is because they're not wearing a red cap.
From the New York Times with a link to the original WaPo story given by Phillips:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/us/covington-catholic-high-school-nathan-phillips.htmlMr. Phillips could not be reached for comment on Saturday. He told The Washington Post that he noticed the teenagers taunting participants at the Indigenous Peoples March.
“It was getting ugly, and I was thinking: ‘I’ve got to find myself an exit out of this situation and finish my song at the Lincoln Memorial,’” Mr. Phillips told The Post. “I started going that way, and that guy in the hat stood in my way and we were at an impasse. He just blocked my way and wouldn’t allow me to retreat.”
In a video by Kaya Taitano, posted to Instagram, Mr. Phillips stood outside the Lincoln Memorial and wiped his eyes. “I heard them saying ‘Build that wall! Build that wall!’” he said. “This is indigenous land. We’re not supposed to have walls here.”
I don't know whether that was his objective or not.
He stated his objective in the Detroit Free Press article. He identified the young men as a mob ready to attack. It's simply not true. And if you don't know something, you might want to hold back on calling people liars. It's unbecoming.
The Israelites certainly thought so, and said so in real time,
Like they're a bastion of truth and honesty, right.
which you would know if you had watched the video.
The video, once again, disputes Phillips own account to the Detroit Free Press. Meaning he misrepresented the first time to the WaPo and then again to the Detroit Free Press. The kids were not getting ready to attack anyone. And his own followers (Phillips) tried to inflame the situation as well, as evidenced by this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=npX801xLSFY . If Phillips says he was trying to diffuse the situation, his followers forgot the memo or did not know what the heck he was doing either because they were looking for a fight. A fight that did not come from these so-called "angry mob ready to attack". In fact Chuck, in the video I am linking in this response, the young man villiafied as the poster child of hate is doing *EXACTLY* what Phillips said he was trying to do... diffuse the situation. Phillips never once tells his people to shut up, but the young man with the cap does. It is to the credit of one of Phillips followers that he chasties the man who decided to pick a fight with kids. The man says repeatedly that he had Phillips back and it worked, to the dismay it seemed of the other man who carried a drum into the crowd with Phillips. The same man who tried to pick a fight later yells out "We did it Grandpa" and Phillips raises his arms in victory as the kids march off to board their buses. Yes, that angry mob of MAGA cap wearers are seen just marching away laughing as if something weird just happened. If Phillips and his group is now saying in narrative three in the New York Times that they were singing a spiritual song to invade the hearts of the young men, they might want to have said so in the beginning and perhaps have a little more credibility that this is spin that fits more along with the actual videos show. So don't give me this revisionist crap that Phillips never lied... his own words don't match up to his actions as he explained it to WaPo and later to the Detroit Press. Now, it is another man who is seen in this video who is explaining it entirely differently as a spritual healing song and not even a confrontation at all.
Head. Spinning.
Bizarrely, you keep disputing what Phillips says his reaction was, that he saw hatred in those boys. Why is that? Why do you want to protect these boys from the scrutiny they merit?
Because they're kids Chuck. Plain and simple. They are not the adults in the room, Phillips and others are. Expecting 16 year old boys to act any differently than they did is being entirely naive and maybe just a tad stupid. But they did not at any point look like a mob ready to attack anyone. They were waiting for a freaking bus when they had insults hurled at them. 16 freaking year olds. We want them to be nazi children because of a cap. We are, at this point, the unruly mob who are acting less and less than like adults and more like petulant assholes who want a pound of flesh where none should be given. If their biggest offense to you is a cap they're wearing and thus you want to crucify them (or make them die like a reporter for the Vulture said, or doxx them like a reporter for GQ said... and then apologized for), you've got some issues.
You want to make this about Phillips,
Because it is Phillips and Sandmann (a 16 year old boy) who were the main characters in the whole original situation that inflamed passions. And from the very onset when I got involved was because of Phillips the Viet Nam veteran that Limey alluded to. I said he should know better, but apparently they're finding out this man has done this before. Phillips this time told his story differently twice before it unravelled. To which you called me a liar. So Chuck, why do you think this is about Phillips? Why would you say to quit lying about him and then say I want to make this about Phillips. I thought we were talking about Phillips all along. Your backpeddals are confusing sometimes.
You would only call me a liar because you want it to not be so that Phillips never misrepresented himself and the situation. You want Phillips to be clean as a whistle, you want to hate 16 year old ignorant boys, you want a pound of flesh. Who is next for you Chuck? Who do you want to vilify next at the expense of truth? Because that certainly seems to be your intent instead of being objective about this whole grey matter. You want black and white villians and heros. And then you want all the ill to happen to your villians because it suits you... including me. That's why you need to call me a liar.
Well, go ahead. That's what assholes do.
of course, because you hope that he'll be caught in some sort of misrepresentation. Lie, I think is what a lot of us call it. Many people are outraged at what those boys did that day, and it does not matter who approached whom or which group of lunatics was shouting what at whom or who went to Vietnam or who didn't. And in order to push back against that outrage you try to arrange reality to reflect your preferred outcome. Lie, I think is what a lot of us call it.
Because it is very convenient in your small, bigoted world to do so. 16 year olds wear a red cap, end of story... they're the villians. Story and narrative is not true, you clasp your hands to your ears and scream out "YOU'RE LYING, YOU'RE LYING" because you already decided to hate someone and the truth gets in the way of that. Carry on asshole. Hate away.
