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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3680 on: January 13, 2019, 12:00:23 pm »
As far as that base, remember that they almost entirely watch Fox News, so they have no clue about any of these revelations.


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« Reply #3681 on: January 13, 2019, 12:04:10 pm »
While I agree with a lot of what Chuck said, especially relative to Trump supporters and authoritarianism, if the Mueller report has even the half of what most expect (and it will likely have more), Trump is toast. Just watching Tapper talk to this Republican Senator from Wisconsin, I see the beginnings of change. Even milquetoast reporters like Tapper are asking harder questions and the angry tone of the Senator’s evasions/rationalizations is a tell that even apologists like him sense that the times are changing.

In sum, I see a distinction between the idiotic Trump supporter that will just bow up and doesn’t have any real responsibility and politicians that will eventually be on the historic record. We’re still a ways away, but the train is rolling in that direction.

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« Reply #3682 on: January 13, 2019, 12:19:50 pm »
As far as that base, remember that they almost entirely watch Fox News, so they have no clue about any of these revelations.

Incredibly, Fox News is the best case scenario for these people. A lot of them diet on American Family Radio or Alex Jones or who knows what else.

But yes, authoritarians need a reliable, obedient, ubiquitous source of shameless propaganda. Fortunately for Trumpy, he arrived with that piece already in place.
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« Reply #3683 on: January 13, 2019, 12:21:50 pm »
Oh, and speaking of Fox News, that reminds me - you'd think that someone who lies as much as Trump does would at least be half competent at it by now.
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« Reply #3684 on: January 13, 2019, 12:34:59 pm »
As far as that base, remember that they almost entirely watch Fox News, so they have no clue about any of these revelations.

Chuck Schumer said this about Trump himself.  Schumer gave Trump some sobering stories from Trump country of people struggling with the shut down and, apparently, Trump had no clue.  His sycophant advisers tell him his base loves it and that’s all he knows. 

It’s a human centipede of willful ignorance. 
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« Reply #3685 on: January 13, 2019, 12:41:08 pm »
While I agree with a lot of what Chuck said, especially relative to Trump supporters and authoritarianism, if the Mueller report has even the half of what most expect (and it will likely have more), Trump is toast. Just watching Tapper talk to this Republican Senator from Wisconsin, I see the beginnings of change. Even milquetoast reporters like Tapper are asking harder questions and the angry tone of the Senator’s evasions/rationalizations is a tell that even apologists like him sense that the times are changing.

In sum, I see a distinction between the idiotic Trump supporter that will just bow up and doesn’t have any real responsibility and politicians that will eventually be on the historic record. We’re still a ways away, but the train is rolling in that direction.

The thing is, we shouldn’t be waiting for the Mueller Report; there is so much in the public domain already.  Waiting for the report is a punt by Democrats.  I accept that they have only just taken the reins in the House, but they should already have a plan for systematic and comprehensive investigation of all things Trump.  Anything else is a betrayal of the tens of millions of us who made that blue wave happen. 

Here’s a comprehensive thread on Twitter that details the myriad impeachable offenses outside of “collusionl.
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« Reply #3686 on: January 13, 2019, 05:42:02 pm »
In sum, I see a distinction between the idiotic Trump supporter that will just bow up and doesn’t have any real responsibility and politicians that will eventually be on the historic record. We’re still a ways away, but the train is rolling in that direction.

While I admire your optimism, I think you're delusional.  Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, etc will never, ever, under any circumstances, no matter how illegal, immoral,  appalling or egregious it may be, go against Trump.  They will go to the gallows and sell every single American into Russian slavery before they ever *not* toe Trump's line.
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« Reply #3687 on: January 13, 2019, 06:23:15 pm »
So Houston Airport System has closed the ticket counter and security checkpoint at Terminal B at IAH due to lack of TSA agents.  All passengers will have to route through Terminal C and E.  Get there early folks.  Fun, fun, fun.
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« Reply #3688 on: January 13, 2019, 07:45:30 pm »
While I admire your optimism, I think you're delusional.  Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, etc will never, ever, under any circumstances, no matter how illegal, immoral,  appalling or egregious it may be, go against Trump.  They will go to the gallows and sell every single American into Russian slavery before they ever *not* toe Trump's line.


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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3689 on: January 13, 2019, 11:02:11 pm »
While I admire your optimism, I think you're delusional.  Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, etc will never, ever, under any circumstances, no matter how illegal, immoral,  appalling or egregious it may be, go against Trump.  They will go to the gallows and sell every single American into Russian slavery before they ever *not* toe Trump's line.

This is spot on. People’s media memories go back one week. People’s political memories don’t even go back the minimal required 4 years. They (Trump supporters)  have decided to embrace this.

Why apologize for something that people will forget in a week? Why admit guilt to a crime that people will forget about in 3 months?

I appreciate the nostalgic ideal that there will be some kind of “historical reckoning” but that shit is gone. People that give two shits about that are about to start dying, are dying already, or, are already dead. We all play for teams now. .

Just like my fading memory of the Bush(1) administration “issues”, shit is moving on and keeps moving on faster and faster. . We’re in a new political epoch. Buckle up. We can’t even keep track of all the bullshit that happened yesterday.

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« Reply #3690 on: January 14, 2019, 08:15:27 am »
NYT reporting that - after the firing of Comey, the admission that it was about the Russia investigation, the admittance of the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister, including Russian press crew/spy equipment engineers to the Oval Office, without telling us for us to find out from Russian media, the confirmation to them that firing Comey was to take the heat off and the divulgence of foreign intel from Israel (all in the space of two days, folks!) - the FBI thought that Trump might not be playing for the home team.

They opened an investigation into whether Trump is a witting or unwitting agent of Russia.

Let me say that again...

The FBI opened an investigation into whether the sitting President of the United States is an agent of an enemy power.

What's more, that investigation was rolled into the Mueller investigation so, for all we know, it's still active.

Quoting myself may be somewhat Trumpian, but I have an update:

If you can see through the blizzard of of tweets comparing a Warren campaign ad to the massacre at Wounded Knee, tone deaf and ignorant slights of AOC for being 30 and not being able to afford an apartment in both NYC and Washington (what has she been doing with her life to leave herself so destitute...), and the hue of CBS' news team, there's some important shit.

To wit, Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal from everyone the content and nature of his 5...FIVE!  face-to-face meetings with Putin.  After one meeting, Trump personally confiscated the notes made by his interpreter.

His every move is that of an incredibly guilty person who knows how incredibly guilty he is.  House Democrats are working up subpoenas for the White House interpreter, which may explain the overnight unhinged tweeting.
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« Reply #3691 on: January 14, 2019, 08:21:15 am »
So Houston Airport System has closed the ticket counter and security checkpoint at Terminal B at IAH due to lack of TSA agents.  All passengers will have to route through Terminal C and E.  Get there early folks.  Fun, fun, fun.

If you thought this would end any time soon (and I doubt you did), in the January 4th meeting with Congressional leaders, Trump "Walter Sobchaked" his on-the-job-for-two-days Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.  When Mulvaney asked if there was middle ground between Trump's $5.7bn and Democrats' $1.6bn, Trump screamed "You're out of your element, Mickey!".  Hahaha, no he didn't.  That would be ridiculous.  No, he screamed "Stop, stop, just stop -- What are you doing? You're f---ing it all up, Mick."

This was in front of the entire Congressional leadership*.

* Except McConnell, who retreated into his shell a week ago and hasn't come out since.

Over the weekend, Trump jumped into the briar patch that is Fox News for an interview.  They tossed up a softball - "Are you working for Putin?" and Trump whiffed.  “I think it’s the most insulting thing I’ve ever been asked,” Trump said. “I think it’s the most insulting article I’ve ever had written, and if you read the article you’ll see that they found absolutely nothing.”

So asked if he'd been involved in criminal wrongdoing, Trump went dime store gangster and answered "They ain't got nuthin' on me!"
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« Reply #3692 on: January 14, 2019, 08:46:59 am »
This guy just overlaid the timeline of Trump's record-free face-to-face meetings with Putin and the cascading revelations about the Trump Tower meeting.

Intriguing.
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« Reply #3693 on: January 14, 2019, 09:40:18 am »
CNN has a story out that the FBI was worried that Trump was following directions in the Comey firing.  One obvious possibility is that they had intercepts of something prior to the firing.  Probably a puppet-string intercept, and when the puppet moved as ordered, they said "oh fuck."

I realize that the NYT story and the new CNN story all come from Baker's House testimony, and that the Wapo hide-the-evidence story was basically already known, but I'm not a big believer in coincidences.  Seems like somebody, probably House Dems, are prepping the public, starting to tell the story. 

I've always thought that crafting a coherent story was going to be crucial to the final end for the nation.  It's like an attorney making their case.  I imagine it is difficult, so many ways to approach the story.  Anyways, stating that the FBI thought Trump might be a Russian agent is a pretty good opening line. 

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« Reply #3694 on: January 14, 2019, 09:50:33 am »
Quoting myself may be somewhat Trumpian, but I have an update:

If you can see through the blizzard of of tweets comparing a Warren campaign ad to the massacre at Wounded Knee, tone deaf and ignorant slights of AOC for being 30 and not being able to afford an apartment in both NYC and Washington (what has she been doing with her life to leave herself so destitute...), and the hue of CBS' news team, there's some important shit.

To wit, Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal from everyone the content and nature of his 5...FIVE!  face-to-face meetings with Putin.  After one meeting, Trump personally confiscated the notes made by his interpreter.

His every move is that of an incredibly guilty person who knows how incredibly guilty he is.  House Democrats are working up subpoenas for the White House interpreter, which may explain the overnight unhinged tweeting.

Trump confiscated the interpreter’s notes.

Anyone else recall Rep. Schiff trying to subpoena those notes and getting blocked by the GOP committee members?


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« Reply #3695 on: January 14, 2019, 10:07:06 am »
Trump confiscated the interpreter’s notes.

Anyone else recall Rep. Schiff trying to subpoena those notes and getting blocked by the GOP committee members?

Matter of fact, I do.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but when I was a kid my cousins and I went to a fair of some sort where there was a child sized Ferris wheel. My brother was in a pod with cousin Rick while I was in a pod with cousin Ken. Rick was never the most far-sighted fellow, and this was illustrated neatly when, as their pod was suspended at maximum height for a passenger exchange in another pod, he decided to spit down upon his mother. Aunt Judy scolded him sharply, but Rick couldn't resist. He kept spitting on his mother. It was too perfect an opportunity to pass up, I guess.

Well, obviously, not long thereafter their pod is the one due for a passenger exchange and you had better believe that Judy was there to receive poor Rick. My final memory of that episode was being suspended at maximum wheel height ourselves and watching Judy furiously drag Rick through the parking lot whomping him on the ass with her free hand. (Whomping children on the ass or anywhere else is frowned upon these days, and, at least in Rick's case, didn't really seem to do too much good.)

Every time I encounter an example such as, say, Devin Nunes, I wonder, Don't these people know that the Ferris wheel is going to circle back down at some point? Don't they know that?

On another note, it is absolutely astounding to me to discover that we are in a place where the following question is asked not on fringe Twitter but on the front page of the Times:

"Questions about whether President Trump is a Russian agent made clear that the shutdown may be just a preliminary skirmish in this new era of divided government."
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« Reply #3696 on: January 14, 2019, 10:09:23 am »
Trump confiscated the interpreter’s notes.

Anyone else recall Rep. Schiff trying to subpoena those notes and getting blocked by the GOP committee members?

Schiff does.

I doubt they exist; Trump would've trashed them.  Of course, Trump is also lazy so he may have barked at an underlying (Pence, for example) to trash them, and then said underlying kept them because, you know, the Presidential Records Act.  Either way, they should now and forever be known as the "Schiff Notes".

Regardless, the interpreter still exists, so they can subpoena him/her.
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« Reply #3697 on: January 14, 2019, 10:11:14 am »
Regardless, the interpreter still exists...

I cannot possibly imagine why you would be sure of this and I am not joking.
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« Reply #3698 on: January 14, 2019, 10:11:49 am »
This guy just overlaid the timeline of Trump's record-free face-to-face meetings with Putin and the cascading revelations about the Trump Tower meeting.

Intriguing.

That's what jumped out to me.  The first unsupervised meetings with Putin immediately preceded the president of the United States fabricating a statement for his kid who is  supposed to be operating completely separately from his father in which they lied about the nature of a meeting predicated on Russian operatives providing dirt on Hillary to the campaign as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.” Of course, that was after repeatedly lying that the meeting never took place. 
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« Reply #3699 on: January 14, 2019, 10:15:13 am »
That's what jumped out to me.  The first unsupervised meetings with Putin immediately preceded the president of the United States fabricating a statement for his kid who is  supposed to be operating completely separately from his father in which they lied about the nature of a meeting predicated on Russian operatives providing dirt on Hillary to the campaign as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.” Of course, that was after repeatedly lying that the meeting never took place.

I saw a news piece recently where they claimed that there we are now aware of over 100 separate contacts between members of Team Trump and Russians.  Every single one of those now documented contacts was denied initially.

I mention this only because it continues to boggle my mind that these people are given any credence whatsoever; the scale of their mendacity being too broad to take in, perhaps.
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