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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3660 on: January 08, 2019, 03:49:34 pm »
The major media outlets are all owned by mega-corporations.  The suggestion that they are liberally biased is laughable.  The Colbert quote above is so perfect in its satire because it’s lampooning the taking point with the truth using their own linguistic style.

See also “truthfulness”, which became a spittle-flecked blurt from the mouth of Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani when he said “truth isn’t truth”.  This had been preceded by Trump telling a rally crowd that what they are seeing and reading isn’t happening.

The right lost the platform to complain about media bias when they completely abandoned facts and reality as a basis for a legitimate debate. 
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« Reply #3661 on: January 08, 2019, 04:14:20 pm »
The major media outlets are all owned by mega-corporations.  The suggestion that they are liberally biased is laughable.

Their real preference is for finance/monopoly-friendly Democrats, but they’ll take Republicans if they have to. Anyone who doesn’t threaten the bottom line.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3662 on: January 08, 2019, 05:20:30 pm »
So Manafort sent polling data to the Russians prior to the election. It'll be entertaining to watch the NO COLLUSION! crowd do a Sammy Davis Jr tap dance around this latest nugget.

We know this, by the way, because Manafort's crack attorneys don't know how to redact documents.

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It is pretty bombshelly, but Trump is going to lie about immigration tonight, so who cares.  Where did you read about it being a mistake by his attorneys?

All I read was in a Wapo article stating:

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The information is in a filing that appears to inadvertently include details not intended to be made public and indicates a pathway by which the Russians could have had access to Trump campaign data.

I read that and my conspiratorial hat came out, assuming it was a breadcrumb left by Mueller, being as he is under the thumb of the two-bit offensive lineman from Iowa.

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« Reply #3663 on: January 08, 2019, 06:22:45 pm »
From another WaPo article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/08/new-link-between-trump-campaign-russian-intelligence-thats-more-evocative-than-definitive/?utm_term=.efd7964b5a15

The relevant part being in the opening paragraphs:

"Imagine that you had a document that included sensitive information. So, before handing the document to someone, you very carefully cut out pieces of black paper and Scotch-tape them on top of the parts of the document you want to keep private. Foolproof.

You probably see the problem here. And yet someone, perhaps attorneys working for Paul Manafort, appears not to have done so. A document filed with the court on Manafort’s behalf tried to obscure important information by overlaying black boxes on the text, giving the appearance of a redacted document but offering all of the security of those little bits of black paper."
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« Reply #3664 on: January 08, 2019, 06:56:10 pm »
Thanks. I understand now and it appears that it’s like Chuck stated, that his attorneys aren’t too good at using software. 

I can’t remember exactly, but it seems like Manafort or Gates previously had a issue using software, making it easier to catch them. I can relate to their incompetence; it’s one of the reasons I’ve stayed out of international espionage.

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« Reply #3665 on: January 09, 2019, 08:39:32 am »
Rosenstein to be out of the DOJ once Trump’s latest stooge takes over.  This is a slow-moving coup. 
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« Reply #3666 on: January 09, 2019, 10:57:59 am »
So Manafort sent polling data to the Russians prior to the election. It'll be entertaining to watch the NO COLLUSION! crowd do a Sammy Davis Jr tap dance around this latest nugget.

We know this, by the way, because Manafort's crack attorneys don't know how to redact documents.

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So like everything else our lying, crooked, grifter of a President does, this will play out exactly the same....

1.  Accusation
2. Trump vehemently denies it (and his rube followers believe him)
3. Trump claims others did it
4. Trump lies to try and discredit accusers.
5. Evidence comes out to support the accusation
6. Trump claims, even if it is true, he knew nothing about it
7. Evidence shows that Trump knew about it and/or partook in it  (where we are about to be, in regards to the Russia investigation)
8. Trump lies to try and discredit the evidence.
9. Evidence proves was involved and has been lying the entire time.
10. Trump claims that it isn't a crime.
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« Reply #3667 on: January 10, 2019, 02:53:27 pm »
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6.  The writeup before the Iraq war

You lost me here...

Not to open a can of worms, but I think JBM is referring to the American mainstream media's (almost) universal support for making war on Iraq (which was true of the Democratic party as well).

The supposedly liberal American mainstream media has had war fever at least since Hearst and the Spanish-American war. That doesn't mean your left-leaning, muckracker reporters don't exist, just that they are the exception and have a much smaller platform within the larger MSM.
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« Reply #3668 on: January 10, 2019, 03:01:52 pm »
Not to open a can of worms, but I think JBM is referring to the American mainstream media's (almost) universal support for making war on Iraq (which was true of the Democratic party as well).

The supposedly liberal American mainstream media has had war fever at least since Hearst and the Spanish-American war. That doesn't mean your left-leaning, muckracker reporters don't exist, just that they are the exception and have a much smaller platform within the larger MSM.


Extremely true. See also the MSM’s slobbering response when Trump ordered the missile strike in Syria. They get off on that shit.

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3669 on: January 10, 2019, 03:19:28 pm »
Not to open a can of worms, but I think JBM is referring to the American mainstream media's (almost) universal support for making war on Iraq (which was true of the Democratic party as well).

The supposedly liberal American mainstream media has had war fever at least since Hearst and the Spanish-American war. That doesn't mean your left-leaning, muckracker reporters don't exist, just that they are the exception and have a much smaller platform within the larger MSM.

No can of worms necessary, and thanks for clearing that up.  My brain was more or less locked into a thought pattern of more recent media bias examples.

To me, America and the media were completely different in the early 2000's.  After the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon the country was fairly unified in actions against terrorism...Not that that the war was successful on that front.

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« Reply #3670 on: January 10, 2019, 04:17:06 pm »
Yes, Gizzmonic's explanation of my point #6 is is a better demonstration of my point and Moriartp's example is #7 on the list of hundreds.

Related to the topic and my prediction that the "media liberal bias" paradigm will crumble, witness the backlash against AP's fact-check tweet related to Trump's address.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/9/18175186/trump-oval-office-speech-fact-check-failures

It's not exactly on point, since it is more about false equivalence and fact checking, but it's related in that shows a perceived lack of even-handness by the media.  I'd argue it's an example that more of the public is holding the media to account and further eroding the liberal bias narrative. 

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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3671 on: January 12, 2019, 09:31:56 am »
NYT reporting that - after the firing of Comey, the admission that it was about the Russia investigation, the admittance of the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister, including Russian press crew/spy equipment engineers to the Oval Office, without telling us for us to find out from Russian media, the confirmation to them that firing Comey was to take the heat off and the divulgence of foreign intel from Israel (all in the space of two days, folks!) - the FBI thought that Trump might not be playing for the home team.

They opened an investigation into whether Trump is a witting or unwitting agent of Russia.

Let me say that again...

The FBI opened an investigation into whether the sitting President of the United States is an agent of an enemy power.

What's more, that investigation was rolled into the Mueller investigation so, for all we know, it's still active.
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3673 on: January 12, 2019, 10:42:21 am »
She said most, not all.


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« Reply #3675 on: January 12, 2019, 05:42:42 pm »
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Re: Roger Angell on "Most Important" Vote of His Lifetime
« Reply #3676 on: January 13, 2019, 09:10:29 am »
Holy shit, what is that on Ted Cruz's face?
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« Reply #3677 on: January 13, 2019, 09:54:40 am »
Holy shit, what is that on Ted Cruz's face?
Dude is such a cowardly piece of shit. When asked if he’s concerned that we have no record of Trump/Putin private conversations, Cruz says that he has to gather more facts before he can answer. Think about that, he has to fucking mull it over.  He can’t even give a resounding “of course” or “yes” to that question.

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« Reply #3678 on: January 13, 2019, 10:18:13 am »
Dude is such a cowardly piece of shit. When asked if he’s concerned that we have no record of Trump/Putin private conversations, Cruz says that he has to gather more facts before he can answer. Think about that, he has to fucking mull it over.  He can’t even give a resounding “of course” or “yes” to that question.

The crazy truth is that Congressional Republicans are covering up for Trump who has done they know not what.  They are blindly - literally - protecting him without any fucking clue as to the depths of his criminality and betrayal.  I hope they all burn for it (politically, of course).
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« Reply #3679 on: January 13, 2019, 11:20:34 am »
I think most congressional Republicans have a very clear idea of what Trump has done, especially those on key committees such as intelligence. They cover for him because they themselves are compromised either by money or who knows what else, and/or because they fear the base and have reasoned that no revelation is going to impact the base's point of view.

And on this last point, I think they are completely correct. There is plenty of wrongdoing already uncovered, plenty of indictments submitted, plenty more sealed. But if it turns out that the Trump campaign and then the Trump administration and even Trump himself acted illegally myriad ways conspiratorial and otherwise that are far more serious and more damaging than anything we have conjured in our most elaborate fantasies, well, I can't see that having any sort of impact on any Trump supporter. These are people who think the earth is 5,000 years old. These are people to whom, as I often say, reality is irrelevant.

These are people to whom Trump's constant lying (and, presumably, his irrepressible criminality) is a point of attraction rather than any sort of negative. His willingness to say whatever baldly false, lunatic shit he feels like and his willingness to violate the norms of the office and the laws of the republic, in their eyes, gives him stature. They actually LIKE this about him, the power they think this demonstrates. It's classic authoritarian behavior. I got a hole in one every hole the very first time I ever played golf! It is precisely the same thing, and it appeals to precisely the same sort of addled, ignorant, incurious brain that has been swayed by cheap nationalism in modern history.

It is quite terrifying to see a significant appetite for despotic authoritarianism in the US and A, but here we are.
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